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@Dayokanu: « #4 on: Today at 08:46:06 AM »

Niger delta is part of Nigeria. Is Gaza part of Israel?

Why are the people of Niger Delta struggling against the Oppressive Nigerian Government, from their own eyes? The answer is that Nigeria has taken what they see as thier God given property/wealth! And Nigeria does not consider them as deserving any of its benefits!

Do you blame the Delta youth or "liberators?" Thats how I fell about the Palestinians! Gaza can't be part of Israel because of the intended oppression of the Israeli's over the Palestinians in the first place. How well will you be able to deal with your intended target, except that you separate him from you? The Third Reich made the Jews lived in Squalors and wear an arm banner reading: Juderen! It was easy to get to the Jews in the walled in ghettoes. Israel had mastered what the Furher instituted.

Civilians? If you harbour terrorist in your house Its only fair you get a share of it when I strike back at the terrorist.

The Israeli agenda is to anihilate the palestinians in the first place. Civilians or no civilians, they are palestinians. Is there any other way to look at it? If there is, then explain the use of bone breaking tactics, which result in internal injury; gangrin etc and the victim is incapacitated. Youtube; If Only American people will know. You will see the evil of your beloved Israelis!

I think the IDF is being very considerate here. 60 civilian death out of 400? Tell me which war has ever been this benevolent especially against a group that mingles with civilians

Are there wars in the history of mankind where there is no single bloodshed? Yes, many. The battle of the trenches and Victory of Makka. And Later the Muslims used only "Chewing Stick", in the sunnah of the Prophet to defeat the enemy.

@Dayokanu: « on: Today at 05:50:02 AM »

1) “Israel’s response in Gaza is disproportionate”

Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia’s recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.

The true follower of christ reveals his innermost thought. The "turn your other cheek" is a myth. The "Thou shall not kill" is nothing that can be followed. The "love your neighbor as yourself" is only a rouse. Well, the "thou shall not covet your neighbors property" is impossible. The Children of Israel have covetted their neighbors (the Palestinians) properties and dayokanu and others (Dvidylan, *Osisi*, etc) are very happy about it and the continuous killing that the displaced "neighbors" are struggling against the modern day "Pharaoh and Goliat" for the return of his belonging!

No one can tell me that the palestinians, when they got to the land known as Palestine, displaced any Children of Israel! This I will like somebody to proof! But of course, Dayo is not a Jesus follower, but only by name. He is more like a Tyrant follower. Maybe Saul/Paul follower.

Would a British citizen complain that “too few” British soldiers are being killed in Iraq? Probably not.

Injustice. Iraq had their problems. The Arabs or rather the muslims should have had a stading army. Someday, the Kalifah office will be reinstated. Then Muslim Army will be organized. Then the likes of Saddam Hussaine should have been removed. And so are others, including the Kings, and the Emirs and Presidents, etc. There would never have been a reason for "Didbelievers" to invade an inche of the land where people under "belief" live. The disbelievers would have met a Kalifah in the tradition of Umar Khattab against Rome. Dayo, go and research world history!

And on a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps – yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.

Morality means you stand for justice. Weakness or inferiority of means does not amount to immorality, too. It simply means you are at a disadvantage. But so was Musa against Fir'awn. And so was dad against Jaluut. In each case, the disadvantaged through the help of Allah defeated the one seemingly powerful. I wonder if somebody took your apartment or home in USA, you will not labor hard to regain it. I wonder if you will not be aroused spiritually to struggle to get your home back before you dial 911 for the authority to help.

The Palestinians are doing exactly the same thing. Between the Palestinians and the Israelis, the usurpers of the other's properties are the Israelis. Read your History books.

6) “Israel is targeting civilians”

You mean to say that “one of the most powerful armies in the world” has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the “most crowded place on earth?

And no soul shall die before it is appointed time and place. The might of Israeli army is no match for the Will of Allah.

There are two options here: A) The Israeli army is not targeting civilians, or B) Israeli pilots suck. We tend to go with option A.

Whatever your option, your heart is known, now. I hope when Israeli army invades Yoruba land, when somebody is killed there, you will just be as analytical. For me, I take the opinion that the time of the defeat of Israel has not come. But it will. Proof: The Children of Israel were in bondage for generations. Then Allah raised Musa (AS) right there in the house of Fir'awn. He made him acquire royal mannerism and strength and boldness. His meekness was masked by his class. Then Allah seasoned Musa up, until he returned as Prophet to confront and in time, through his hand, Allah defeated the enemy of a people, who were the better of the two!

So too will Allah defeat Israel through the hands of Palestinian. He will raise a correct leader and people who are of great faith in Him. And in time, the present day great army will be brought to ruin. llah is capable of doing all things.

Indeed, Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, by deploying precise ammunition and specialized techniques. In fact, nobody in the world does this better than the Jewish State

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3647296,00.html

Dayokanu, we have a saying for the gullibles in New York City; I have a bridge to sell to you. Its a wonderful bridge. Its called the Brooklyn Bridge. When you believe the propaganda of the children of Israel, then you are very gullible. You should buy the bridge from me, before somebody who is gullible like you signs the contract with me. It cost exactly, by installmental payment, as long as you work, the eaxct amount of your net salary!

And the honesty of the Jewish state showed very clearly when they doublecrossed Nigerian government in the case of "Umaru Dikko!" Would you truly a people who built a god to worship after Allah had extracated them from the hands of Fir'awn and his evil supporters? Two things you can joke with a Zionist or most Jews on; trying to make more money and goodly acquisitions than him. And the second being complacent that he is not conniving to take what becongs to you from you. I know. I deal with them, every day. A few of them are good though.

@*Osisi*: « #131 on: December 09, 2008, 10:44 PM »

His vision to starve Igbo children to death in war failed woefully.
The Igbo man has waxed stronger and stronger and he's been dead and buried and I've never as much as heard of a descendant of his.
Every evil man has his day with the cold hands of death

*Osisi* you are right. This issue I agree with you. Now, there are still many present day Awolowos around the world. Many in Africa, and beyond. The Zionists are just that; present day evil men like Awolowo! They have the vision to starve Palestinian Childrento death. And in the long run it will fail. The Palestinian men will be waxestronger and stronger and the Zionist Awolowos will be dead and buried and will never so much be heard about of their descendants of them.

@Davidylan: « #129 on: Today at 12:43:20 AM »

omo e be like say allah don sleep o.

And did Christian 3 gods all slumbered when Jesus was being "nailed to the cross?" Think man. Were they also asleep when saul/Paul was beheaded, or was he boiled in oil, thats how he died?

@Dayokanu: « #123 on: Yesterday at 11:03:18 PM »  

@Lagosboy,
I support the Gaza action in its totality I would even have done more if I am the ruler of Israel.

If you live in Gaza don't hurl rockets at Israel.

And glory belong to Allah Who did not create you in a royal home, because of the tyranny in your heart! Your case reminds me of the boy in Surah Kahf, who the companion of Musa (AS) said that he would have grown up to be tyranical and made his parents turn to disbelief!

And I remind you and myself of Ariel Sharon! 5 years ago, he was one of the most powerful persons on earth. And you live in America. There is a program named "Where are they now." So I ask you, where is Sharon, now? I dont want to use the Children of Israel persons, alone. So I will ask again; Where is Joseph Stalin, or Kruschev, or Andropov or Hitler or Joseph Gorin? I could go on and on. Lets talk about even the tyrants of Africa if you wish.


@Davidylan: Daddy ni iwo npe ni Omo?

@4 Play: « #126 on: Today at 12:04:35 AM »

By the same token, maybe Gazans should ''search their souls'', abi soul searching na the exclusive preserve of Jewish people?

This is the only person who has spoken the truth, without any bias, among the many people on this thread. I have said many times that the muslims should search their own conscience. They should go back to the prctice of pure Islam. Imagine the Palestinian man who sent his son to go and purchase cigarrettes for him. The boy died in the first wave of attacks.

He started slapping his own face and throwing sands on his own head; defaming his human dignity. There is no reason for anyone, especially muslims to be indulging in things that are harmful to anyone and definitely to his person. And there is no reason to slap his own face and throw sands on his own head. These behaviors are outside Islam.



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That's a heavily loaded conditionality. So far, what we can observe is that Allah has willed for the Jews to continue bashing the Arabs, just like the Turks did for centuries.[/quote]And I do not want to go to the issue of the Turks, because you do not understand the juriprudence of Islam. I just want to remind you of a movie called "Lawrence of Arabia" which late Peter O'Toole starred in as the British agent provoteur, on a divide an conquer of Islamic people and a destruction of the Kalifah system.

Not all the Arabs that the "Jews" have been able to bash. Saudi Arabia, the Emirate, Kuwait, and others have not been in the bashing space, yet. Even though I will not bat an eye for their bashing, because by and large they are hypocritical to me! Especially, their Kings and the wealthy among them. Instead of being Abdallah, they are abdollars!

And a thousand years is less than a day with Allah. The Zionist state was formed only 60+ years. Soon, the tide will change. And those who used to gloat may have to be contrived!

@Davidylan: The Jews called themselves Zionists, long time before anyone called them that. Go read history books. No wonder Lagosboy thinks that your just "blow smoke(s)" of diffent colors and heaviness of plumes! The Jews used to sing their songs of zionizm in their exile places, duuh!

@*Osisi*: « #122 on: Today at 10:41:42 PM »  

Well if you decide to throw "knock out" at your neighbours yard for months and refuse to head his warnings and he retaliates by throwing a grenade in yours,don't come crying like a baby.
This is not the first time and they will not learn.
I support Israel wholeheartedly.
They should teach them a good lesson never to wake a sleeping giant.
Next time they'll keep their puny rockets to themselves

Apart from the fact that hypocreatical oath is missing in the above post. You forgot that The giants like Pharaoh (lanatullah) and Goliat (lanatullah) were 100% awake, when they were defeated by puny in stature and means of war by Prophet Moses (AS) and young lad Prophet David (AS) respectively.

If Allah wills it, the Palestinian people will overcome their modern day Pharaoh and Goliat all roll into one! If Allah wills it, he will send ordinary birds or wind or anything He Wills as the Army to defeat the doers of evil. This is very easy for Allah.

@Otele: « #109 on: Today at 06:49:51 PM »

i really don't understand these lunatics.

olabowale,

if massob should start raining bombs in ur village, u'll want ur people to just sit and watch? eh, mr conscience? are u kidding me? even obama said if someone should rain bombs where his kids are he'll do exactly what israel is doing. i really pity those miserable fools in the middle-east.

it was the US that saved the muslims in the balkans that milosevic wanted to annihilate.
yet u guys want nithing but the end of israel. . . i got news for u, that will never happen. i'm telling u this, as a xtain. it is written in our holy book, the bible, israel dey kamkpe. got it? stop trying.

Second thing last. America is not Israel. On head counts, the muslims in America is way than the Jews in America. So your point is?

Unfortunately, the village live is what I am used to. However, if "massob", whatever they are were to throw dangerous thing into my village, my first action, if I survive, which is what has been happening to the "Yahuud" (Zionist Jews of Israel), is to search my soul; why are the Massob launching dangerous thing at my village.

In the case of Israel, they have stolen the land of the Palestinians! If I check my case with massob and realise that I have taken their precious properties, their treasures and their root and identity, their lnd, then I have to rethink my position, even if I am more powerful!

by the time them finish this campaign, hamas no go fit spell their name again.
for me . . . . . . . . entertainment

You wanna bet? Are you informed already of the future? If Allah Wills, the oppressed will be victorious over their oppressors! Remember Fir'awn and his army, who were defeated under the simple man, Musa (AS) with the stick (staff) in his hand?

Remember Daud when he slew Jaluut? Neither had the power of their own. But against all odds, they were victorious, over formidable enemies. Allah is capable of giving victory to whoever He wills.

Post 1970 Children in their infant babbles of maamaa daadaa! Ndipe, Kudo to you for at least saying there you weren't born then.

The people who participated in the war, will not be talking foolishness as much as the "kindergarten" babies we see litter this thread.

As much as I disagree with the conditions of Nigeria, as we speak, do the "proponents of Biafra" think that the Delta and other people in the greater Eastern Part of Nigeria, who do not consider themselves as Igbo of any kind, will bow to any barking orders from Enugu or which ever city is made the national capital?

If Nigeria as a nation can not "crush" the will of the Delta's Ogoja people, where the "Oil" is gotten, will Biafra crush them so quickly? I have news for you, don't think that the Ibiobios, the Efik, the Ogojas, the Ijaws, and other minorities will not seek seccession, in the same exact way and the time Biafra is seeking her own Independence. No people want to remain under a breakaway people, without wanting to be "independent", too.

The breakaway Biafra will be broken into smaller pieces, with many newer countries. Pakistan and Bangladesh are good examples, in the end after the old Pakistan broke away from the old mother India. The north may not remain as a unit, if the dream of Biafrans becomes a reality. The Hausa, and Gambari may not be able to stand each other. So could be the other smaller tribes wanting out from under Hausa!

I would not count on a Biafran state, coming out of Nigeria. Igbo people are not truly under oppression, if you consider the condition of the Ogojas. Afterall, the Oil is from their land.

@Dayokanu:

« #3 on: Today at 12:15:53 PM »
Quote from: dayokanu on Today at 08:40:54 AM
@Afam,

This has always been my point. hamas launching rockets intends to kill people and they actually do. What does Israel do in such situation?

Let both sides go to a full scale war with a media blackout and check the results in 2 weeks.
The same Israel that is bringing in supplies into Gaza.

Let the US and the West not supply anything, like ammonitions and my tax Dollars in support of Israel. Then let see the outcome after 2 weeks.

Under Musa (AS), the Israelites did not fight. For certain, under any present day leader they may have, they will not fair better. Th palestinians, mainly Muslims and the minority Christians will defeat the state of Israel at the end of the day.

Dayo, you forgot there are Christians from the palestinians. And Chritianity is a dead brand with the Jews of Israel.

@Davidylan: « #101 on: Today at 03:11:53 PM »

olabowale, when you start constructing reasoned posts then we can talk. For now keep on whinning like the hypocrite you are.

David is a legend in his mind! He is in the hollow hand of an unjust god!

@IGWE USA: « #3 on: Today at 12:39:39 PM »

Quote from: pak on Today at 12:25:54 PM
, and what exactly do you mean by 'jihadists'


those that kill their fellow human beings because of religious belief

That will include the whole of Israel. There reason for "killing their fellow human beings" is because the palestinians are not Jews and oh, because they are not also children of Israel.

@Davidylan: « #98 on: Today at 02:46:17 PM »  

Where was ur outrage at the "carnage" in Darfur, Somalia and Afghanistan?
where was ur outrage at the "carnage" on 9-11, 7-7 and Mumbai?
Where was ur outrage at the "carnage" that was the 8-yr Iran/Iraq war?

What a bunch of religious hypocrites.

And your own hypocracy, david is not based on religion? Arent you in support of Israel because your god was from them? Nonsense man!

And the muslims should be adverising, for your approval their outrage in matters of Islamic family? Didn't you learn anything from Mandela's response to Ted Koppel's Nightline question, when he said "ANC's dirty laundry is not for the Public?"


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More muslim baseless propaganda. Darfur refugees prefer to trek miles in the desert, passing Egyptian police fire to get to Israel because they know they have a safe haven there. Do the arabs love you? Look no further than the slave trade still in existence in Mauritania, Sudan and Saudi Arabia.[/quote]I do hope that you know slavery of a different form exists in Nigeria! When a wealthy family takes a school age person as house boy or girl, and keep them from any formal education, while their own pursue passionately the sam education. Thats modern slavery. The outcome is deprivation.

Israel might not love us but they don't hate us. Arabs on the other hand have no use for u fools. U're no better than slaves in their eyes. Take a trip to Egypt . . . it might clear ur eyes.

Deluded david. You know a Jew who loves you for the sake of God, alone, except for almighty dollar? You need to wake up from your "deep" slumber. I may not even agree with many position of Arabs and reactionary muslims, but your blindness is like layers and layers and layers of perpetual darkness. Is Egypt under a just ruler; Hussaine Mubarak your answer? Even Abdallah of saudi Arabia and that of jordan and syria, none of them is better.

Remember Musharaf of Pakistan? When it was time for Allah to get rid of him, he resigned! Some day will come that no one will remember Sharon. Opssssssssssss!, I forgot he is not the PM anymore!


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1. So your problem with HAMAS is not that they fire missiles unprovoked to kill innocent kindergarten children but that they fire less effective missiles? why then are you outraged that Israel chooses to fire more effective weapons?[/quote]Again, I said that the Palestinians (Muslims and Christians), need to win a decisive victory just once!

2. Ashdod, Jerusalem, Sderot, Tel Aviv have NEVER been palestinian territory so wake up from your islamically-induced slumber.

Were these cities part of the old Ibrahim time or of recent period of Jesus territory that the Romans ruled over.

What next? Spain?

Muslim used to rule over the place, the same way the Children of Israel could claim Palestine!



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1. So now we know your cries of "outrage" ring hollow. You wouldnt have batted an eyelid had the GBU-39 bombs been raining on Israel.

2. the French president has no other choice, he has a huge population of members of the "religion of peace" in his country.

3. If i got a penny for the number of times i hear this frankly stupid claims of "disproportionate response" i'd be a billionaire by now. So the jews shld go throw stones and home made rockets instead?[/quote]The same way Islam will conquer Europe, Islam will reconquer Palestine. And as much as I want you to become a billionaire, this process, will not get you there. Instead you will lose your shirt.



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Save your anger . . . the jews could care less. Thank God Israel has rejected the phony cries of a truce by the UN . . . until HAMAS is utterly crushed more smart bombs will rain on Gaza . . . let me sit back and enjoy the spectacle. Next time don't poke a tiger with a stick.[/quote]Someday, in your lifetime, when Palestine is under the control of the palestinians, you will see a true mercy, except if the end of time begins. The tiger, or in true Islamic sense, Lion of Islam is shy not because of fear, but because of its resolve.  



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Which part of "palestine" is under occupation? Gaza is practically jew-free so why the firing of 100 rockets a day into Sderot? Is that part of palestine too?
why arent the HAMAS hypocrites firing rockets into Jordan?[/quote]Palestine, on the map consists of West Bank, Gaza and oh all the land occupied by the Zionist's Israel! You see how evil blocks your heart and you forgot that palestine is a land, consisting of today, Palstinian people and well as Israelis! And Jordan is not part of palestine. Read your Bible, again. You ever heard of a watr body called River jordan, duuh?

@Otele: « #85 on: Today at 03:35:54 AM »  

which allah? has he been sleeping? he had better wake up b/c the US who can stop israel are supporting the raid on gaza. and tha blaze is raging.

The same Allah Who created everything in six periods! Allah never sleeps. He did not sleep when He allowed the disbelievers to mock Noah for a period, and then when the time came to show that they were evildoers, He ordered the flood of water to perish them, without spearing a single evildoer! The same Allah Who made Muhammad (AS) and his companions victorious in the battle of Badr, and many others, including the defeat of Makka. In the defeat of Makka, there was not a single drop of blood! The same Allah Who opened up Jerusalem up for Islam during the time of Kulafah of the Kulafah of Muhammad, Umar Al Faruuq bin Khattab!

Oh the same Allah Who allowed the Children of Israel to be in slavery under black coptic tribe of Egypt, for many generations. Then when He raised a just leader in the person of Prophet Musa (AS), He in time defeated Egyptian evildoers in the sea. I hope you remembered that! The same Allah Whom the Children of Israel mock by building for themselves a golden calf as their god! Then He perished the evildoers among them in the desert! I hope you know that they spent 40 years for a short distance away journey? Your knowledge of history is pathetic. I do not want to belabor this issue too much. Otherwise I would have reminded you of how much after that, in Palestine the Children of Israel were beat up to the point that they disperse throughout the world! Oh let me remind you of the Allah Who is the Lord of of your god, jesus! The Allah that Jesus cried up to! There was no Yahweh or Jehovah sound coming from his mouth. Read your book, the bible, again.

Jesus said "Allah", in his Children of Israel's brand of semitic accent 'Eloi!'.

Did Allah sleep when the Children of Israel were being defeated? Or did He sleep when the Persian Zoroasts defeated the Christian Rome? No! Open the Qur'aan and read Surah Rome, where Allah promised the Roman Christian will defeat the Persians in under 10 years. It did happen. Then read Surah Nasr towards the end of the Qur'aan. Surah Nasr is very short. Hopefully you can have the strength to take the message. In Surah Nasr, Allah promised Victory for Islam, in the long last.

Though the situation is hopeless, in the today's snapshot of the moment, but the world has not ended yet. The one who is victorious in the long last is the true Victor. There used to be a time that the Children of Israel were not prominent in the middle east. No one can guarantee it that they will be say a 1000 years from now!

And Rome used to be todays America, in term of strength, power, influence. Heck, England used to just be like that. Then a few renegades broke free and formed the "colonies" which became the United States! Oh let me remind you that Egypt under the Pharaohic dynasties used to be as powerful as America! The pyramid is a testimony to their prowess. Afterall, your Bible and my Qur'an agreed that they were unjust to the Children of Israel by at least enslaving them!  


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let me guess,
u tried to whip up anti semitism, it didnt work. next, u try tribalism. . . . nadaaaa, try another thread bro. i may support u. but not this thread, until u explain to me . . .[/quote]And the Jews or Children of Israel are not the only semitic people. The Arabs are semitic people. Unless you can prove me wrong! You see how incomplete knowledge of a subject, when going with hysteria of lies could be easily make one look silly? Who are the semites and what makes a person semite? This is your assignment! And there is no trabalism in my statement. I used Igbo and Yoruba as just examples of two people we may be very familair with, instead of remote Mandingo and Julaa of Guinea.

1. why hamas fired the 1st shot, knowing fully well what the outcome will be
2. why iraqis will be protesting gaza invasion when turkey is raiding them
3. why turks will protest gaza bombardment when they(turkey) are doing the same to iraq
4. why hamas leadership will order rocket attacks from faraway safety of syria
5. what has yorubas and igbos got to do with this crisis

While I will be the first to say that within the rank of Islam, you have a handful of true believers, but a large portion belongs to evil doers and yet, those who have power and influence are hypocrites. So it is no surprise that what you pointed out in 1-4 are what we see. But it is therefore not a justification for the continuous concentration camps called Gaza and West Bank. Nor is it any reason to allow the former ghetto dwellers of Europe, the Jews to not allow the pre-stater of Israel time Palestinians to continue to be refused the entry back to their motherland, Palestine, and remained as refugees in naighboring states!

And as for the Yoruba Igbo thing, I used it as a form of soul searching idea. I could have used Ashante and Fante of Ghana. You as Nigerian, will almost will not be as passionate as the ones closer to home. Okay, how about Nupe and Tiv? In each case, there are communities of humans, who are different only by some set of ideas; religion, language, etc. In each case they are humans.



@davidylan: « #86 on: Today at 04:36:16 AM »  

Olabowale you lack a brain to think in perspective. The yorubas wont spend their entire time spewing anti-igbo sentiments and lobbing 100 rockets a day at Nnewi.

What I have shown about the Yoruba and Igbo is just for us to reflect about the Humanness of all of mankind. I could have said Shoyinke and Bambara of Mali. But your emotion will not be able to reflect about it. Mali is far and remote in your consciousness. Interestingly, so is Palestine, a far away place. You are neither a Jew or Arab by ethnic tradition. At least it is not obvious any more, among the Yorubas. And you are not a Muslim or Jew by religion. The only tie you have to the Jews is because you take a rabbi from among them as your god!

This idolatry side of you, the jews loat it, with a passion! Now just imagine if the whole of Igboland and Yoruba land were at a time inhabitted by the Yorubas. And the Igbo came through Cameroun and routed the Yorubas out of the east! You think in time the Yoruba youth, in many generations seeing from Ibadan how their family lands in Enugu has been usurped will not fight to at least regain a little of it? This is the case here! Think man.

Now let me make it easy for your mind to understand it. Lets talk about the time of South Africa's Apatheid regime. Nelson Mandela and most of the ANC senior members went to prison because of their refusal to lay down and die! Steve Biko was killed in 1977 or so, along with many freesom fighter "University" students.

Today, we have a free of Apatheid South Africa. That will happen in Palestine, InshaAllah. Guess, who Nelson Mandela is supporting? Not the Zionists, David! Think man. A weak man today may become the big man on campus, sooner than you can make a Banana Split!

In the days, freedom of blacks in South Africa was only a tantalizing Mirage! Today is a reality. And, Oh, Otele my man, Allah does not sleep afterall in the case of South African Blacks. I do not want to remind you of the case of Blacks in America, because your mind may not be able to go back that far.

In the future, maybe not in my lifetime, Palestine will see Justice for palestinian Muslims and Christians. All they have to do is continue to struggle. I prefer mass nonviolent struggle in marches and others. The Muslims among them need to go back to Islam. Stop smoking, and those other vile things. Increase their worships and good deeds. Soon enough, the help of Allah will come.

And when David says he is in the *the hollow of Gods hands*, I wonder which God? Can anyone be in the hands of God without being Merciful? David read your piece! You are more like in the *the hollow of Shaytan's hands*! There is no mercy in your heart. You could not be directing you without the mercy in your heart shining brightly. God doesnt like ugly. Behavior that is. Can God support unjust dealing of human over another? Even human over helpless animals?

Am waiting Ice cold blooded man.

And soon the tide will turn. The palestinians need only a good victory over their enemies. And it will come soon, by Allah's help.

@Davidylan: You lack conscience anyhow. So whats new? Let us put Yoruba people in the place of Palestinias. Let us put say Igbo people in the place of The Yahuud (Jews). Now where is your conscience?

The Nigerian elites, oh, the pundits of political world, do not know that the Yahuud (Zionists) have two strikes against them: in the least, they see you guys as blacks, unintelligent, less than humans and unused brains. Please wait, thats just part of the first views. The second view is that you are not Jews, but Idol worshippers, who took an ordinary rabbi (Jesus) as a god, while cheapening their Yahwah/Jehovah is one of 3.

Sorry guys. Thats how the Jews see you. And none of you who lives in USA or Europe will tell me that the wealthy jews want you to be a next door neighbor. In New York City, they have Boro park and Bensonhurst. In New York State, they have Montsie, etc.

The Arabs, may discriminate against me, they do know that they are doing that at their own peril, in the sense that if they die without seeking forgiveness, they will be punished. At least in the Mosque and even in Hajj, we all stand shoulder to shoulder.

Now to the issue of Zionist incursion, oh all out war against the palestinians; the palestinians around the world should just peacefully march in as a group of people into palestine. Let the world see what the "stiffnecked people" will do.

The same palestine that they refused to fight for under Moses, etc, is now the promised land? Who gave it to disbelievers? God Almighty promised it to the bloodline of Ibrahim His Friend. The last I check Ismail is the first child of Ibrahim.

Though I blame the leadership of the arabs, who areplaying possums in this specific time. I hope the masses will awaken the islamic spirit that the hypocrites that are mistaken for leaders have repressed so much in their conscience.

Is Qur'aan and Sunnah and Hadith not enough to know Allah? Was Abi Bakr not a simple Muslim, then a Mumin? I used him (RA) as a very plain example. All the Sahabah (RA) men and women could be used.

@Trukoments: Prophet Ibrahim (AS) practiced Islam. For sure. Read the last page of Surah An Am (The Cattle; chapter 6).

Prophet Ibrahim said ", wa ana awalul Muslimi." Meaning, , and I am the first (in my time, now) Muslim.

Prophet Musa said ", wa ana awalul Mumini." In Surah Araf (The Height Chapter 7) after he rose up from the coma as a result of his demand because the Children made him to want to see Allah the Almighty. The meaning is the same except that Musa used "Mumini".

Every prophet (AS) was a Muslim. Adam (AS) seeked forgiveness, feared the punishment of Allah. Adam was a Ghafir; believer seeking forgiveness. Read Surah Ghafir in the Ha Mim part of the Qur'an and learn what it means to be a Muslim, a practitioner of Islam. All of them Allah ordained Salah! AAll of them.

Yahya was ordained Salah, Zakah. So was Isa bin Mariam (AS). Is there a chance for a person to be a prophet and not be Muslim? The opposite of Islam is Kufr. No prophet is a Kafir. They were speakers of Truth from their Lord Allah, Who gave them Wisdom, too.

@Trukoment: Please provide authentic proof(s) from Allah's Words (The Qur'aan) and or Hadith Kursi, as you have indicated. Or you may do so from His Messenger's Speeches or Deeds (The Hadith or Sunnah). Please go even further, if you will to the Companions. But you must provide evidence. If not please, rethink your Islam and practice it as What Allah commanded and in the way of Muhammad (AS)

Salam alaekum
this is the way i understand sufism.,islam has been around before the Holy prophet Muhammad came(s.a.w) but Allah perfected it during his time.the prophets  like adam,ibrahim(a.s)all practiced ealier forms of islam.sufism has been around since the times of the prophets that came before the Holy prophet.the stage of a sufi is what all muslims should yearn to achieve as it is the yolk of the egg as sharia is the shell of the egg, egg as a description of islam!more on sufism could be discovered(not literarilly)in the holy Hadith(hadith quds)if we endeavour to read it and thingd about its true meaning.

Islam is not a religion or way that can be made up, as one goes along, to suit one's desire. Please worship Allah as He commands. Do good deeds that are Islamically compartable.

furthermore someone posted that the holy prophet did not do such and such when he was alive,i would ask the person this, did the holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) drive or ride in a car?did he open an account in the bank?,if not why do you have to do it if he did not do those things, think, !

These things are matters of human advancements. Even that there are somethings that are always constant. As to transportation; Muhammad rode on horses and camels for getting to his destination, quicker than walking on his feet. Further, he was transported on a Buraq in the night of Isra wa Miraj! Let me ask you, is there any means of transport that could be as fast? Is the space shuttle as fast? Is the cosmic bodies travelling as fast as the special animal, Buraq that Allah allowed to take His Messenger to Heaven and back on Earth, in part of a night? There is an indication of Space Exploration in Surah Al Rahman. So nothing new under the sun that Qur'an leaves unmentioned.

And as to bank account, bait Almal resolved that issue. The house of treasure, is the Treasury. That stands for a bank. The US Central Bank is called the Treasury (Reserve). And Checking in the banking system is a trust of organizations and peoples amongst one another. Islam is the father of Checking account. Islam does not accept interest nor gives any.

Abbass ibn Abi Mutalib, was a banker; a lender, a credit. Thats the role of banking.

@Olaadegbu: « #32 on: Yesterday at 11:46:48 PM »

@olabowale,

I have quoted the excerpts below that will enable you to discern the truth from lies, facts from propaganda and the difference between Mohammed and Jesus Christ and the Jihad compared with the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

We must not forget that Muhammad (AS) the most successful of the Arabs, and you will hear it from the Arabs themselves. The Christian Arabs will even say that of him. His followers during his lifetime outnumbered any of other prophets in their lifetimes. While he fought, he did not fight in every possible chance he was presented. While the Qur'an contained Jihad, it is not all that it contained and no word of the Qur'an has been changed. A think it should be known that facts are always constant, unchanging. And so is truth.

Of course falsehood or lies are always shifting. It is a propaganda and will never be constant. This is what the Gospel that you are trumping is. If it is not show me a complete Gospel, from one of the followings; John, Mark, Luke and Matthew? Note none has a complete name to identify who the actual writer is. Muhammad and Isa bin Mariam are not in competition, since they are both messengers/prophets of their Creator, the Lord God Almighty Who is One, before, now and always! Never dying and never deficient of knowledge. He knows the "time of the Hour!" And He is the Only One Who knows it! Not Jesus, not Muhammad, no one knows it, except Him!



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LEARN TO DISCERN

Dr. Ted Baehr of Movieguide warns viewers to be “media wise enough to reject revisionist history. The problem is that the future generations could accept this politically correct, anti-Christian propaganda.”[/quote]And they are proIslam, instead? Ogbeni oja, you need to stop your lies! Who own the Media in England, the place you claim to reside? Your orishi rishi tire me ol boy! i need to do some small yabbis. lol.

MOHAMMED VS CHRIST
In his article “Self Hate, Revisionist History and Christophobia in the Movie Kingdom of Heaven” Dr. Ted Baehr notes some of the differences between Mohammed and Christ:

Was Islam lionized in this movie? Did the muslims financed, produced, directed, starred and distributed it? You and Ted Baehr belong together!

“ Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Again if Muhammad was the prophet of war, what will you now say about Warrior Moses? Or Warrior from young age Prophet King David? Even though in Isiah 9; 6-7 that you are using to illustrate your warped message, Jesus name was not mentioned, directly. The best you could do was infer. So I also will infer that John, son of Zachariah fit this description, because he never even overturned the table of any money changer. And he never curse any generation of the Children of Israel!

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Tim. 4:7).

The Makkan pagans killed scores and threatened the Muslim community to the point that they feared for their community. Hence the 2 migrations to Abssynia and the final Migration to Madina. Yet the Pagan and Jewish tribe never stopped wishing them evil, in Madina. The man who my father was named after got killed in the battle of Hud! He was companion and also Uncle of the noble prophet (AS). I guess that doesnt count in your book. I am not sure if all the companions who were killed were not for islamic fate, alone. Please could you tell me what other reason? Yet the killing started right in the time of the prophet. The moment he declared his Islam. Did any got killed from the 'disciples' before he was lifted up, uh, Olaadegbu?

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Tim. 1:13-15).

If it is true that the Bible was written long time, before Qur'aan, then the word infidel appears in the Bible and i will like you to show me where it appears in Arabic Qur'aan! Thats a challenge to you, Olaadegbu.

And as to forgiveness and convertion, while Muhammad had the upperhand that he could have wiped out the Makkans out, without a single one alive, he forgave them all. Tell me when did Jesus have a upperhand and forgave anyone?

And as to convertion, today, the whole of Makka, the city that persecuted him, which he forgave her inhabitant are 100%, if only in name. Jerusalem has less Christians than Jews or Muslim. So does Galilee or Nazareth! Muhammad forgave Taif, Makka and these two cities do not have a single indigenous non-muslim. We are not talking about saul, Paul. We are talking about cities, people. Forgiveness and convertion are parts of the hallmarks of Muhammad; Read The 2nd to the last verse of Surah Taubah;

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YUSUFALI: Whenever there cometh down a Sura, they look at each other, (saying), "Doth anyone see you?" Then they turn aside: Allah hath turned their hearts (from the light); for they are a people that understand not.

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YUSUFALI: Now hath come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves: it grieves him that ye should perish: ardently anxious is he over you: to the Believers is he most kind and merciful.

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YUSUFALI: But if they turn away, Say: "Allah sufficeth me: there is no god but He: On Him is my trust,- He the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!"

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ is the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Christ could not even preserve his own life. Accoding to you only a rag tag Jews using the roman king snurfed it of him, in one day! Th makkans could not deny that the mercy Muhammad showed their evil forebearers is why they are alive today. but hey, you will not understand it. Yet Muhammad was an ordinary human. A messenger. But your god was killed senselessly. You still mourn him in easter. Muhammad is not mourned. We ae grateful to Allah the Almighty for his life!

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (John 12:48).

You have not made sense since I came began to dialogue with you. What should we say about Moses?

Mohammed ’s method was COMPULSION; Christ’s aim was CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

Just think for a moment, if compulsion was the modus operandi of Muhammad (AS), would there remain a Christian or Jew in the Middleeast during his lifetime?

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).

My faith can even be kept in my mind, if I thought that my life is in danger. The faith in my heart supersede what I say to a person who is going to oppress me. You see the difference in Islam and your man-made religion? And Iam going by Qur'aan.

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thess. 1:10).

And every war does not have a loss of life, but a preservation of life. I wonder which god from the three is deliverance made for; son or ghost or father? When I say that you are a polytheist, you get angry.

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

And when Umar opened Jerusalem, he did not force any Christian to Islam. Yet in life, everyone will have to die. No one will live forever. I guessrapture is a fluke.

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Rom. 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Eph. 1:7).

How did Muhammad (AS) appeared in the Roman 3: 15-17? This verse is from Jesus? LOL. You are so busted.

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Was it not Jesus that damned the other thief? I wonder why; maybe the pain of punishment made the thief spoke unpleasantly or the pain made Jesus unforgiving or just maybe both? But it has to be something.

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Col. 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

Liar. Where is the victory, when his soul was acurse, according to your Bible? You aint got no shame?

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Cor. 5:14).

Muhammad's wives, child, grandchildren, friends and companions loved him. IWhat are you talking about? I still cry like a baby when listen or read about him (as) and the companions; men and women.

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

And the mayhem that are unleashed on Afghanistan, and Iraq by the christian west, is from Muhammad or Jesus? What about the Israelis, not from Moses? Since we are using prophets, lets use them all. I wo ogbeni yi, boo she dagba to lo she nshe bi omode to.

Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

You should be ashamed of yourself. You almost mirror my former friend; ~Lady~. You guys lie about religious matters without conscience. Name only you said? The same darn people who brough Christianity to you? If they are fakes, while they used their books to justify their atrocities, you and you are fakes!

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Rom. 12:17-21).

Jesus was not the founder of Christianity. It is a religion that came after he had been lifted up! Olaadegbu, if I Olabowale, a Muslim have to teach you the history of christianity, what do you really know then about your religion?

And a person who is not strictly observing the strict followership of Muhammad (AS), is a hypocrite or at least, has weak iman! I am a peace-loving muslim, but there are places and times that i must fight. I will not let you take my properties without a fight. I will not let you kill or hurt my love one without me struggling against you. And I will stop you cold in your track, if you think I will be a cake walk for you.

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)

You said Ted has a Ph. D.? In what; lying? Muhammad (AS) was on earth to abrogate slavery, killing of humans, and we see how he stopped the traditions of the arabs who kill their daughters. He brought equality to man and woman and the only difference between people is their individual God consciousness.

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the Gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Rom. 1:16).

Jesus was a Jew. Big deal that the gospel was to them. All his companions were Jews. Duuh! And with Muhammad (AS) there were jews who supported him and were Muslims and fought alongside with him. They asked him to Judge them, too. You are not even sure of what you write, but just writing it! Even my girl ~Lady~ is at least telling us she doesnt know anything about Islam.

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the Gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

It is spelled with a Q and not with a K! I guess in a war, the rule of war applies. When you engage your enemy in a battle, fight hard, until he surrenders or defeated. The preaching of the Gospel to every creature is far fetched, because it goes against Jesus saying that he was only sent to the lost house of Israel! Now which is correct?

Mohammed's mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 3:18).

And just to amuse you; would any "Christian" go to lake of fire? Will Jesus say to anyone that he does not know them, even though that they will say to him ' we did many great works and performed many miracles in your name?"

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

I guess you need to know that a god can be defeated, killed. But no one can defeat or killed God! Olaadegbu, how many gods are there? please give me a number?

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY! ”
http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/crusades_all_about.htm

Is this the yardstick of truth? If it is then, Ibrahim and others will have to be doubted! But it is not the yardstick!

With the quotes (note the highlighted parts) above and the link suggested you will realise the true meaning and difference of Christianity and religion. I am not surprised that the Jihadist were surprised and flabbergasted when the crusaders fought back and pursued them with their tails between their legs, because they taught that they were supposed to turn the other cheek as the Christians that they massacred earlier did.

And by Allah, Salahudeen (ra) defeated the crusaders, at long last. And the muslims, in turn, in the future will defeat the Kufar, again. And in the day of Judgement, the kufar will be fuel of the blazing fire!

Olaadegbu, is that what you want for your Body and Soul? Fuel of fire?

Learn to discern that Christians follow the injunctions and examples of their Master and Lord and the fact that the crusaders carried the banner of the cross does not make them Christians, but never theless they did a good job in preventing the Islamization of the whole world by compulsion otherwise we would all be speaking arabic by now and there would have been no country called USA. today.

I know USA, more than you. This am sure about. Even in Sin City known by all as Las Vegas Nevada, there is Islam. Islam has taken shape in USA. Watch Youtube of Jonathan Brown, a Muslim. Watch many others; white, blacks and many other hues.

When I wake up, properly, after my morning prayers, I will respond to you post above. Its ironic that you forgot that Jesus himself was not a Christian. And your qualification of him, from the Bible were mostly from outside the "Gospel!" Its also ironic that you did not remember that the Prpphets, Moses, David and Solomon being from this pool and laws that Jesus said he came to observed in his "fulfillment" statement were warriors. And these prophets and their laws Jesus warned no one should abrogate or encouraged any to do so, otherwise will be the list in the kingdom of Heaven.

I do not know that Muhammad (AS) was mentioned in the Bible's Book of Roman? While Jesus himself did not preached to the Romans, the Book of Roman must have been "addition" without the knowledge of Jesus? I guess if Muhammad was termed a Killer, I wonder what you will call Moses, or David just to name a few?

And if Jesus was termed a peaceful man, I wonder what Zachariah or John were?

The Christians often amaze me in their selfish and warped thinking! Everything begins and stops with Jesus in their minds! I have news for you, before Jesus on earth, I Olabowale was in Spirit! And the Creator is my Witness, so are His Angels, and His prophets and believers!

I wonder what the Makkans thought Muhammad was between a killer or giver of lives after he and his companions conquered the city, without a single drop of blood? Oh, oh, he also rid them of 360 idols in Kaaba and destroyed al Uzza, al Manat and al Lait. He brought them to a leadership position in the world community of man. And they have never been sacked. How many times Jerusalem have been sacked, including after Jesus?

You will hear from me, later. Good morning.

@Congoshine: « #6 on: Today at 09:09:00 AM »

@Olabowale,
How can you say Muslims don't believe in multiple godheads?

Question 1. Are there more than one *Allah* as creator in the Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! Read the following:

Liar and cheat you are. And I am reading the tafsir of Qur'aan to answer your deceit.

Sura 6 vs.94
"And behold! ye come to Us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you. . ."

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YUSUFALI: "And behold! ye come to us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you: We see not with you your intercessors whom ye thought to be partners in your affairs: so now all relations between you have been cut off, and your (pet) fancies have left you in the lurch!"

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YUSUFALI: It is Allah Who causeth the seed-grain and the date-stone to split and sprout. He causeth the living to issue from the dead, and He is the one to cause the dead to issue from the living. That is Allah: then how are ye deluded away from the truth?

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YUSUFALI: He it is that cleaveth the day-break (from the dark): He makes the night for rest and tranquillity, and the sun and moon for the reckoning (of time): Such is the judgment and ordering of (Him), the Exalted in Power, the Omniscient.

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YUSUFALI: It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know.

Sura 7 vs.11
"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate."

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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

Q.23 vs.12
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth"

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YUSUFALI: Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed;

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YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

Q.51 vs.47-49
"And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ampleAnd the earth, We have made it a wide extent; how well have We then spread (it) out. . . And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction."

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YUSUFALI: Hasten ye then (at once) to Allah: I am from Him a Warner to you, clear and open!

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YUSUFALI: And make not another an object of worship with Allah: I am from Him a Warner to you, clear and open!

Question 2. Are there more than one *Allah* that people pray to in Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! See for yourself:

Evidently, in the above section, where Allah uses "We" a majestic pronoun for Himself, your mind could not settle enough to read through few verses that make the statement in the Qur'aan come to life. Look, when I used to talk to ~Lady~, i think I teased her one time by using majestic pronoun for myself. And I have many times responded to KarmaMod by saying "Awa" for my self alone. Awa is not usually used for a single person.

And no one writes Him, He, in the middle of a sentence except for God Almighty alone. If I even use "We" for myself when am having fun with my wife, in a manner of seduction, knowing fully well how greatly a wife is affected by honoring speech a husband makes about himself to her. Well, you cant know that since you are a comfirmed bachelor.

Sura 10 vs.12
"When trouble toucheth a man, he crieth unto Us (in all postures)- lying down on his side, or sitting, or standing. But when We have solved his trouble, he passeth on his way as if he had never cried to Us for a trouble that touched him! thus do the deeds of transgressors seem fair in their eyes!"

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YUSUFALI: Generations before you We destroyed when they did wrong: their messengers came to them with clear-signs, but they would not believe! thus do We requite those who sin!

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YUSUFALI: Then We made you heirs in the land after them, to see how ye would behave!

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YUSUFALI: But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a reading other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day (to come)."

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YUSUFALI: Say: "If Allah had so willed, I should not have rehearsed it to you, nor would He have made it known to you. A whole life-time before this have I tarried amongst you: will ye not then understand?"

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YUSUFALI: Who doth more wrong than such as forge a lie against Allah, or deny His Signs? But never will prosper those who sin.

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YUSUFALI: They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah." Say: "Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?- Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!"

Question 3. Are there more than one *Allah* that is being worshipped in Islam?
Qur'an answers with an emphatic YES!! Check it out for yourself:

Liar. We will see how dishonest you are.

Q.21 vs.73
"And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve" (translated by Pickthal, the verse truly reads: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone)." - meaning that more than one *allah* is being worshipped by Muslims and they don't even know it!!).

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PICKTHAL: And unto Lot we gave judgment and knowledge, and We delivered him from the community that did abominations. Lo! they were folk of evil, lewd.

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PICKTHAL: And We brought him in unto Our mercy. Lo! he was of the righteous.

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PICKTHAL: And Noah, when he cried of old, We heard his prayer and saved him and his household from the great affliction.

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PICKTHAL: And delivered him from the people who denied Our revelations. Lo! they were folk of evil, therefor did We drown them all.

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PICKTHAL: And David and Solomon, when they gave judgment concerning the field, when people's sheep had strayed and browsed therein by night; and We were witnesses to their judgment.

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PICKTHAL: And We made Solomon to understand (the case); and unto each of them We gave judgment and knowledge. And we subdued the hills and the birds to hymn (His) praise along with David. We were the doers (thereof).

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PICKTHAL: And We taught him the art of making garments (of mail) to protect you in your daring. Are ye then thankful?

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PICKTHAL: And unto Solomon (We subdued) the wind in its raging. It set by his command toward the land which We had blessed. And of everything We are Aware.


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PICKTHAL: And of the evil ones (subdued We unto him) some who dived (for pearls) for him and did other work, and We were warders unto them.

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PICKTHAL: And Job, when he cried unto his Lord, (saying): Lo! adversity afflicteth me, and Thou art Most Merciful of all who show mercy.


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PICKTHAL: Then We heard his prayer and removed that adversity from which he suffered, and We gave him his household (that he had lost) and the like thereof along with them, a mercy from Our store, and a remembrance for the worshippers;

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PICKTHAL: And (mention) Ishmael, and Idris, and Dhu'l-Kifl. All were of the steadfast.

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PICKTHAL: And We brought them in unto Our mercy. Lo! they are among the righteous.

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PICKTHAL: And (mention) Dhu'n-Nun, when he went off in anger and deemed that We had no power over him, but he cried out in the darkness, saying: There is no Allah save Thee. Be Thou Glorified! Lo! I have been a wrong-doer.

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PICKTHAL: Then we heard his prayer and saved him from the anguish. Thus we save believers.

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PICKTHAL: And Zachariah, when he cried unto his Lord: My Lord! Leave me not childless, though Thou art the Best of inheritors.

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PICKTHAL: Then We heard his prayer, and bestowed upon him John, and adjusted his wife (to bear a child) for him. Lo! they used to vie one with the other in good deeds, and they cried unto Us in longing and in fear, and were submissive unto Us.

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PICKTHAL: And she who was chaste, therefor We breathed into her (something) of Our Spirit and made her and her son a token for (all) peoples.

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PICKTHAL: Lo! this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me.

The Qur'an even states that this polytheistic gods in Islam will be the judges of all Muslims:

Q.21 vs.35
"Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return."

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YUSUFALI: When the Unbelievers see thee, they treat thee not except with ridicule. "Is this," (they say), "the one who talks of your gods?" and they blaspheme at the mention of (Allah) Most Gracious!

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YUSUFALI: Man is a creature of haste: soon (enough) will I show you My Signs; then ye will not ask Me to hasten them!

So, Olabowale. . . your 'monotheism' is actually polytheism disguised.

I hope you can read. You see that you have to read through a story. Sometimes a sentence is not a complete story of itself. It has the next or several sentences after it, as past of its colage to produce a readable picture. You will see that Allah as He uses "We, Us, Our, etc of the Majestic Pronoun" from Himself, He always end up clarifying that He, is One by saying your Lord, I, etc.

Odikwa risky? Whats that?

Zainab does not live in USA. She comes. And she goes. She has a live of her own. And remember I am entitled to 4. I have not married up to 4, yet. Although line up. And America is not the only country on earth. I am not sedentary. Noo.

There are Christians in Senegal. Yet it is a muslim country. Please you argue very terribly.

@Kuns: « #15 on: Today at 11:55:33 AM »

. . Let’s see what the Koran (76:12-21) promises the righteous:

garments of silk
reclining on raised thrones
neutral weather, days won’t be hot, nights won’t be cold
bunches of fruit
silver plates and crystal glasses
a cup of wine mixed (with) zanjabil (ginger)
youth of perpetual freshness in green garments of fine silk and heavy brocade
bracelets of silver
a drink of wine

The word “silk” is “hariyrin” in Arabic and means, “dressed silk, wholly composed of silk.” Silk is animal fiber produced by certain insects as building material for cocoons and webs. This insect is called the silkworm which is a caterpillar of of the silkmoth, and the cocoon is the shell it constructs to protect itself during its growth from a caterpillar to a moth.

Because an emerging moth would break the cocoon filament, the larva is killed in the cocoon by steam or hot air so that the thread is preserved intact for commercial use which is made of one continuous white or yellow silken thread, averaging 1,000 yards

So now Muslims rejoice in the fact that they will be wearing silk garments that will be provided for them in paradise; however, at the expense of the homes and lives of one of Allah’s creations. Not only that, about 3,000 years ago the silkworm eggs were smuggled to Persia from which has become one of the largest producers of raw silk along with Red China, India, and South Korea. So, if silk is produced and manufactured in the Far East, the the silk that is mentioned in the Koran, which is mentioned many times in reference to paradise, is something that came from the home of an insect that lives and breeds here on Earth at a geographical point that is.


Silkworm Cycle: Illustration

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Kunle, thank you. But failed in one place, the silk on earth will not be the same in Paradise. Silk, because it is apriced clothing, and just like brocade is also better tha polyester, are what are expeceted as reward in Mercy in Paradise. You want polyester? Wear polyester. In my days of ignorance, I used to wear suit in heavy silk. I love its movement and how it breath. When the wind blows, lightly, its a beautiful thing to see how the opulent wear exagerate my movement.

You did not however touched up on the wine that will not intosticate ad will not bring up a headache for those who drink! Thats wine is also different what gives you a drunk a banging headache on earth.What about the foods. Similitude of what is the best on earth, yet not exactly the same.

Do you eat man and wear clothing? Know that those things that keep you alive and what prevnt us from calling you a nude or samelessly naked man thereby saying that you are crazy, are from God. You deprive the Cow or fish or chicken, etc and fruits and vegetables and grains and tubers, etc you eat of their lives. Or are you a carion or scavenger?

Kunle, you are a funny man.

@Martian: « #16 on: Today at 12:08:38 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on December 25, 2008, 08:05 PM
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I don't write finnish. Evidently, you can read english. If you can, you would have seen where I throw out a challenge about talking shoes. Or you can read, but you are playing possum. Again, open your eyes. Take up the challenge. And instead of just trying to be funny, try to be real.


I'm excercising restraint right now .

Oh boy, I beg continue to exercise am o. LOL. I will go country on you if you dont. I am from "OKey"

What's so special about a talking shoe

Good question. Imagine if one of your friends comes in and says his shoes just told him some important info about himself! Will you not just say na lie or thinks that he is cockle? Thats even your lonestar state of today.

Now take a throw back to over 1400 years ago of any place. Now specify it to Madina. How would you have taking it then? Today NIKE has produced a digitally talking shoe. He tells the wearer many things about what he has done concerning exercise, which is the reason he wore it anyway. Oh boy, eat your heart out. You better drop the fronting and come to Islam.

Any sex outside marriage is forbidden. I means it excludes the sex between engaged but not yet marriage. Or exwife and exhusband. Until you perform the Islamic ceremony of marriage, you can not have sex. And if you are divorced from each other, no sex, until you remarry. There are three times you can marry each other; the very first time. then two more times.

After the third marriage, if you divorce each other, somebody else will have to marry the woman, sleep with her, and voluntary divorce her, before the husband who married her and divorced her 3 times, each can propose a fourth marriage. Between marriages with each of the men, the period of Idah (3 months) must be observed. And the first husband cant engage in fraudulence in the marriage process of the exwife, to the new husband, either.