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My brother is tryng to improve you. Better, still. Bring Ogaa and the children, the people you sing "I love being in love," about. I have always wanted wholesale deal for you.

And I managed to be outside the "box." My criteria; woman, muslim, beautiful and gentle. What tribe are you? Do your women have these qualities? If I can't marry from it, I will friends and my sons to "invade" it for the best of them for wives.

The only reason that I even respond to you is the "black, ewedu eating" statement. I found it typical. You dont know enough about Yorubas. we are tapestry of colors, patches and textures. Just like any group of people, the things we have in common are fewer than what we do not have in common.

@DavidDylan: I wonder how the story is sad. Just in another thread, you said satan/devil is one, but have demons as soldiers. Here, above you referred to devil as changing being. Read it, again. Now do you make devil (Satan) change as well in the same way you make what you worship change to be three?

David, you "change" things around too much. Aburo, let catch it and bottle it for sale. The wind is blowing from upstate to downstate. It will hit Westechester first. The Elegiri omo who lives there will catch it first.

KarmaMod, this is the place you should have used your 'agidi.' Morpheus24 is qualifying yoruba women as "black, ewedu eating", in a way that it insinuating a let down. Am disappointed that you didn't start fighting for the Yoruba women, so that I may now join you in the effort.

Now Morpheus24, not all yoruba women are 'black and or ewedu eating" person. So I will leave it at that. And not all women from outside Yoruba ethnicity is not black or not ewedu eating woman either.

KarmaMod (Ameebo, meebo,meebo), am also married to Yoruba woman, too. The sweetness of yoruba women would end with a failed marriage. I love the language, so I will always a room in my heart for a yoruba woman. But no alagidi in my life.

@Morpheus24: You are correct in your analysis. I was a Kufar to her considering that I do not accept 3 godheads, and not a church goer. I have no problem with her thought about me. Remember what I said. I vow never to let that "non-muslim" woman enter my life, again. No way, no how, no Mark, John, Matthew, Luke and no Paul!

@Olaadegbu: « #36 on: Today at 02:07:28 AM »

@olabowale,

We can never understand the doctrine of the incarnation, whereby God the Creator became man the creature, for it is beyond the limits of finite comprehension. But we can believe it, and rejoice in it because with God all things are possible.

The Buddhist and co., believe in reincarnation. As male, female and even animals. I mean that their god reincarnates to all of these. They don't have any fool proof explanation. But they believe it. The same thing, and in the same way that the christians feel. Except that the Christian's is Jesus; a true prophet of Islam (AS).

Jesus said "If ye believe not that I AM He, ye shall die in your sins" Jn.8:24. So unless you believe and receive Jesus Christ as the Truth you will continue to struggle to understand or comprehend how possible God can become man.

I neither struggle to understand, nor struggle to comprehend the impossibility. Allah says that it is not befitting for Allah to be a father to or have a son; human or otherwise. That everything is abd (slave or servant) and creation to Allah. If you, Olaadegbu now want me to abandone the clear mandate from my Creaor, I will not do it.

Now, again, read and analyse what Jn. 8:24 said. I am He simple stating that there is a speaker, (I) and there is an entity the speaker, (HE) is talking about. To be sure tha the speaker and the Entity he was talking about you have to give absolute proof of the speaker and the Entity having the same exact nature.

While the speaker, Jesus, was at a time a "word", the Entity on the other hand is always the Owner of that "word", its Speaker, Commnder, Controller, etc.

While Jesus wasat one time a mere seed developing in Virgin Mary's womb, the Entity on the other hand was alway fully in existence, never changing and always in Power. Afterall he brought about the creation of Adam. And before that all things that were before Adam. And of course created Mary, the mother of Jesus. is there any doubt that God the Entity creatd Jesus?

While Jesus was a helpless child born by Mary. He needed love from her to be nursed, nourished and given warmth and motherly love. On the other hand the Entity, God is always full of power, and never diminishes.

The Bible said that Jesus grew in strength and in wisdom. It simply states to us that before that he had no strength or wisdom. It was not surprising since he was a thing that did not exist at a time, before his birth. I went through the same stages; now I have strength and wisdom. On the other hand, Allah the God, (Entity) does not have anytime before He created any creation that He was weak or not full of wisdom. He was able to do all things before He did anything!

Now, Jesus is no more. On the other hand God is always alive. He knows all things, while Jesus did not know the "time of the hour!" Can the two ever be the same being? Never. One is the Creator (The Entity), while the other is the created (Jesus).

Read the article on when God became man and maybe that will help you to make an informed decision, that is, if your mind is not already made up and that you don't want to be confused with the facts.

http://www.icr.org/article/when-god-became-man/

When you come across the truth, the heart understands it. However the diseased heart accepts reincarnations; be it Buhddist or Hindu or others. (Olaadegbu's christianity is from the 'others').

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24

The opposite of Mark 12 Verse 29; Hear yee, oh Israel, your Lord and my Lord is but One God. Now tell me which one of the two verse Mark 12 Verse 29 and John 8 Verse 24 is correct? Can Jesus have spoken both of them? Unless somebody twist one of them but Allah made him forget the folly of his effort, by not correcting the other vrse. This verse betrays the 'deceit and ploy' of the dubbious.

8:24 I am he. The word “he” is italicized in the Authorized Version, for Jesus actually said, simply, “I am,” thus again claiming to be none other than Jehovah (note John 8:58, referring to Exodus 3:14). Thus, belief that Jesus is God is essential to salvation.

Authoriszed version you said. Where is the original, from which the version "authorized" is culled? Ogbeni, sleep and think about it. When there is no original, everything goes.

She will inshaAllah gradually move away from Christianity to full fledge Islamic faith. There is no way a person can be a muslim and christian together. Islam destroys the Trinity or partnership with God the Almighty. That simple. Her heart will be filled with the sweetness of faith soon. She will just have to leave disbelief alone.

@Olaadegbu:

"I am the way, the truth and the life" do you have this Truth living on the inside of you? If not why not?

He Jesus was the way of salvation to the lost of his time from the tribe s of Bani Israil.
Jesus was the truth in the sea of liars and cheats among his people in his time and place.
Jesus was the life at that time for those who truly followed the commandment given to him. Afterall a new life came 570 or so later.


Read my statement of dissertation above. The time of Jesus was over. As declared "It is finished!" Muhammad (AS) is the reigning prophet. In the Qur'aan, Allah says to believers; Answer Muhammad when he calles you to what gives you "life!" Allah says that if anyone brings anything other than Islam on the day of Judgenment, it will be rejeted and not accepted from him. Allah say that Truth has come, and falsehood has no place, but to perish.

What is it that you do not get? Tell me.

@Olaadegbu: I studied the Bible for 5 years in high school. My mother was a christian before she revrted out of it to islam at her old age. before that I roomed with a pastor in University. And them I married a christian woman.

My dear brother; Jesus did not challenge me. Read it again. The verse said whether it be of God or whether I speak of myself (Jesus). It is very clear that Jesus said that his commandment was of God and not of himself.

That answers your confusion. Jesus is not God, by the whether and the or preposition. I am sure that he was talking about the fact that they should follow him in the process of which he worshipped God. Jesus was correct for his people and his time. Today I am in the time of muhmmad (AS), hence I follow that prophet that was to come as comforter, the spirit of truth who shall guide you to all truth, after the former comforter and also the spirit of truth for his time.

Read and reflect. This is fun. You nailed your own argument to the wall! Where is **Osisi?

Morpheus24: Islam came to elevate the humanity of humans. To better the kindness of man. It is not so surprising that whatever you call the "people of the books." above, need improvement. The husband of a woman is the best person to better his wife. So is the wife of a man. In this case, a man who want to marry a muslim woman must be muslim.

And a woman who is married to a muslim man will be better. At least, she will have a better bathroom manner. I remember an entry where a tribe's man of the nigerian' miss world was saying that their tribe's beauty is their washing their bottom with water after the use of bathroom.

I wonder if he knows that this is a normal thing in Islam.

David, please just 2 thousands Biblical prophets? 2 Thousand is 1/62ndth of 124,000. Tellme who Kifl, Shuaib, Salih are from the Bible. Evidently, since you hate the Arabs so much, is it not ironic that I said Ismail (AS) was a prophet. Will you also claim him for the Biblical "prophets?" Ibrahim from Ur, in Iraq. Lut his nephew. Wow. They are truly Biblical.

lol.

@DavidDylan: As I have said, your case is like that of a baby in the womb, thinking that he will never experience the outside world, a place different from mom's womb.

Allah does not have to pass through or have the same "issue that we humans have, before, now or in the future, which includes the day of judgement. However, I want to repeat myself to you, listen up; Muhammad, Jesus, and every prophet and messenger, including our father Adam will have the Hatman decision process of Verse 71 of Surah Mariam.

How do you stark up, bro? Its gonna be a hard day, man. There is no letting off from the increment of punishment in Hell fire. InshaAllah, I will not be there. I said InshaAllah. This is my right. You aint getting that chance or right, man. Not if you remain a Kufar; okay let me honor you; alal kitab (people of the books).

Am gonna be happy, InshaAllah when I am cleared with my book in my right hand, heading to Paradise; Jannah. I am working on all the people I know to make the right decision about success with Allah.

@DavidDylan: « #71 on: Today at 07:44:57 PM »

don't tell me you believe this hubris?

why must allah make you pass over hell in the first place? Alhaji enjoy your time there . . .

I hope I pass over in lightening speed!

Just like an unborn baby naive about the world outside mom's womb, even though he hears noises and voices of people talking to his mother. You do not know that Hell is real, even though you wish for paradise. The opposite of Paradise (Jannah) is hell (Jahannam), is a scary place. But you will have no choice but to enter it, because there is no helper against it, except Allah the Almighty. And you are an enemy of allah. See, David.

Jimmy Cliff had a song in his 1960s the harder they fall movie. The song was interesting because it made it clear that some people will have no place to hide, even when they think that they can run and hide behind a rock. The rock will not even be there for them. You should be certain that Jesus will from your Bible say to you; get away from me, even though you think you are working for him.

@DavidDylan: « #64 on: Yesterday at 08:42:37 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 08:40:24 PM
@DavidDylanL How many demons are there? Is there any other than Shaitan?

Omo boy; You and me on this one! I want to use Ogbon agba on you. Today na today!


Just like God has angels, the devil also has subordinates . . . they are called demons. I thot allah knew all things.

Like everyone, I am a creation. I am human. My knowledge is only limited. Just like Jesus, I do not know everything. So it is not impossible and out of expection that I do not know everything. But Allah knows everything. See, He is different from me and Jesus. I do not know about demons. You know about demons. Jesus did not know about the time of the hour. Allah know the time of the hour. Dah ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


Mi soo re? I told you that I will use ogbon agba on you. There it is.

@DavidDylan: « #66 on: Today at 06:11:52 PM »  

Quote from: javalove on Today at 05:25:41 PM
david, if u die with all these ur beliefs and ur continous disrespect for Allah, na Hell get u oooo


what's the difference?  
You're going to hell as a muslim first thing when you die anyway. Sura 19:71.

Pilgrim.1 must have sold you a bad bill of goods. Read it again. Surah 19 verse 71 does not say that Muslims will go to hell first. I am sure you can read. What it says is that everyone among mankind, Muhammad, Jesus, etc all the way to Adam among the prophets and the messengers, shall pass over the hell! Passing over does not not mean that you will be in Hell, if you are not designed for hell by your evil deeds.

The passing over process is where the Kufar (like you David) and hypocrites (from those who say they are Muslims, but actually not) will fall into hell. The pass over event is humans trying to go to Paradise, from a place of gathering. Hell is a place between this place of gathering to a place that will lead to Paradise. So everyone will have to make this effort. So there is a bridge over hell to make this transmittal possible.

In the process of crossing, the bests of human beigs (Prpphets and Messengers and Saliin) will past in as fast as lighting speed. The lesser people in faith wil be slower, in speed. The least person to go through without ever entering hell way crawl even slower than a person still trying to learn how to crawl.

Everyone else, like you (a person who is from people of the books) will definitely fall into hell from this height (the bridge) that is over the Fire of hell.

@Olaadegbu: « #27 on: Yesterday at 06:29:29 PM »

A man decided to use a knife to cut his friend who was convinced that he is physically dead.

How? Oh, the way you are convinced that a man in coma is dead, just because there is not a single sign of ive in him. I get it now, Olaadegbu. Your case reminded me of some young people who played dead to escape being killed for real, after their potential killer have taken shots at them at close range. The killer saw blood coming out. But God almighty Allah did not will them dead, yet. So he took all physical sign of live from them. At least the killer thought that he had killed them and there is no need anymore to waste the bullets in his gun. Any more shot would have been a waste and he did not want to make it messier than it was already. No overkill. It reminds me of Jesus, this scenerio, that is.

Instead of this man to be convinced that he was not dead after seeing his arm bleeding, he was rather more convinced that he was "deader than dead" as he proclaimed "so dead men do bleed afterall"

I am even more convinced that you don't know what you are talking about, after reading the above. Read it yourself. You destroy your own argument. The dismantling of your hypothesis of death when you just cant feel the pulses is my job. I dont need your help because you are doing a bad job at defending your position. i dont want people to think that i pay you off; tapping your plate.

When Allah told Muhammad (AS) to tell mankind that Jesus was not killed and therefore was not crucified on the cross, there was an uproar. It was a shot to the bowel of Christianity, the people in power compared to the just hand full Muslims suffering opprssion even in the hands of pagan Makkans.

In those days there were no stetoscope or other means to know if a personis dead or not apart from the obvious. A dead person at that time will be know because he was not moving or any noticeable signs of being alive is not coming from him. They are not probably familiar with fainting or being in coma. So many people who are not really dead must have been buried, if they were not as loved as people loved Jesus in his time. Can you imagine a poor man who was dead to the ordinary eye, but just in a coma? Wouldn't such a person be buried, quick?

Today's medicine just not accept a person is dead by just physical signs alone. It just does not accept that a person by just the fact that there is no reaction when he/she is pinched or a cut is inflicted on the body. But even with all the modern technology and its devices to make sure that a person is dead, often in more than few occasion have we heard of those people who came back from death after they have been presumed dead.

Ask **Osisi. Many Doctors have misread charts of patients. And they have been misdiagonised. Some have been operated on wrongly. So it is no surprise that in the days that medicine was crude, in the time of Jesus, just a simple spear to the side to test for death, can not, in today's medicine nbe accepted and assumed then, in the time of Jesus to have worked for everyone.

Do we even forget that this man, Jesus was a prophet of God? Haven't God performed many miracles through his hand? Please read your Bible to see where Jesus said that he was unable to do anything on his own, except that God Almighty helped him.

So, olabowale, until you stop using those Islamic glasses you will continue "to see men as trees" and your sense of humour as dry as the "woody woodpecker"

Whats an Islamic glasses? Oh. I get it. I am thinking that because I am accepting that Jesus dies because of the weak verification and i do not accept there are three personalities; father, son and ghost, is the islamic glasses? Nice one there.

@mybad: « #21 on: Today at 12:54:31 PM »

@ olabowale
And what has become of your boys now Bros Olabowale?
Do they still say their Salat and practise iSLAM?
No harm intended oh just want to learn.

Thanks for the question and the concern. Its interesting that most of us, including one time or another are just muslims in names, only. When we know the true Islam, we definitely realise how empty our "old" Islam was. Olayiwola and Oladunwo, though good kids, successful in today's measurement, need Islamic improvements.

The mistake I made was that I did not let them grow up in Nigeria, where they could have found Islam so readily. Islam of America, without being in black neighborhood 20something years ago and beyond was a rarity. Their islam needs improvements. And I make dua to Allah to improvement them. I am hopefull that they will turn out like the son of the believer of the leaning wall in Surah Kahf.





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@olabowale
What if you don't seem to have all you need in a muslim woman and you find peace in the arms of a christian woman just like you did in your first marriage Sir?[/quote]The peace was temporary. Remember that I am divorced from her. The first casuality of our fail marriage was the religion. It was the religion that she latched on to in any disagreement we had. It was the first thing that she attached. The point is this, in my present relationship, the religion is the glue that binds, front and center. By the way, I do not intend to say that there was not happiness in the relationship. But when we disagreed, it was awful. There was no mercy at all. We had no central theme; My is Allah, His Religion, His Book, His Messenger. Am sure you see that these are set of headache to non-muslims.

Hers was Paul and more Paul, and just maybe Jesus. Typical Christian. And I hated the cross dangling from her neck. Can you imagine a muslim asleep with a cross on the chest of his lover? That was my case. I vowed never to let that happen again!




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@ Barakah
Seems you've been pronounced a 'kafir' and won't therefore make Al-Janah.
I think you better retrace your steps and seek Allah's face first.
Whats in a woman anyway.
If you want some very candid advice which i know will help you, just get in touch with me lets talk offline.[/quote]May Allah reward you immensely. Amin.

@DavidDylan:
Prophets; Adam, Idris, Salih, Shuaib, Hud, Nuh, Dhar Kifl, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaqa. All of these are not Jews. They are long time before Jacob, who was Israel, but not Jew. Joseph was not a Jew either. The word Jew came from Judah, the brother of Joseph. You need good religious education.

And there were 124000 prophets and messengers sent by Allah. Allah says that every people/community received a prophet. It is therefore obvious that every society received a prophet/Messenger since Muhammad (as) was sent to all people for all times!

@DavidDylan: I was reading verse 18 of Chapter 5 of the Qur'aan kariim. He dawned on that the sin (dunub) was best defined and explained and resultant consequence is provided.

And Verse 285 of Chapter 2 tells you what Faith in Islam is all about. A person of faith is specific, and different from a person who is not; Kufar who are not Muslims and hypocrites who are muslims by face alone, while their hearts belies what they show. For classification dissertation of these three classes of people; read verses 3 through 10 or so of Chapter 2.

You should have no problems, except you are just being petty.

@DavidDylan: « #41 on: Today at 01:43:58 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:40:55 AM
@DavidDylan: « #11 on: Today at 09:48:16 PM »
Allah never forgot anyone. He did not forget the Children of Israel in Egypt/Misr, either.

what a ridiculous fellow this allah is.

He didnt "forget" the children of Jacob in Egypt? what was allah's business with the sons of Jacob? The very same sons his quran curses?

I was trying to remember the tale by the moon, yoruba style, called aloo apa gbe. The yorubas were singing about how they think Alaiye (Creator) made man. When they sang about how He made eyes, they said He took (sese) peas; the white and the black to make the eyes. So the eyes look (orii sese sese, orii sese sese!) black and white peas.

In your case its the brain and heart. How they were made. This is the straw man syndrome.

Are the children of Israel not human? Do they not live on the earth of Allah? Are they more important than their father, Jacob? Afterall, they and him, Jacob bowed their faces to Joseph! Could they be even be as important as Ibrahim, whom God called "My personal and intimate Friend?" Is it not a public and worldwide knowledge that the Children of Israel were slaves, under the Coptic blacks, the must civilized of the two, in Egypt?

Aburo, as much as I love you (and the muscle shirted is getting into your head. I have news for you, no one wears sleeveless shirt, except garbage collectors or punks), you are not making sense. Whats so special about the children of Israel, if any?

Afterall, from among them, the children of Israel, liars, cheats, killers and many other doers of evil. Of course there were many noble people among them; the prophets and messengers (AS). But there were messengers and prophets before their fther, and their father's father, and their father's father; Ibrahim (AS).


And as to the Qur'aan cursing anyone or people; it is a curser of all evil people: Pharaoh (A coptic from Africa), son of Noah, wife of Lut, Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab and his wife: these were not from the children of Israel. Please lets put our thinking cap on, instead of straw hat and full dungaree (the farmer's look).

@DavidDylan: « #30 on: Yesterday at 11:43:06 PM »

Quote from: Riskie on Yesterday at 11:32:42 PM
ROFL!!! Nobody strikes their head on the ground. As for mumbling a strange language, some of us actually endeavour to learn the language, or at least understand the prayers we recite Those who choose to revere earthly human kings, that is their problem not mine.


and you devoted an entire 2 topics to it?


Quote from: Riskie on Yesterday at 11:32:42 PM
I don't know what questions you want me to answer and I won't even bother because all you want to do is refute things and argue which is pointless.


don't worry, you're not the first neither are you going to be the last muslim who comes here with fire and brimstone chanting about questions then chicken out as soon as they are put across to you.

Infact the last line above quite clearly explains the "questions" you put up for christians to answer. It is apparent that all you wanted to do was refute, argue and ridicule which as you rightly agree is pointless.

these people are confused they can't keep a story straight.

NB: Look again at the questions i posed . . . the first one is simple - why are all allah's prophets bar 1 JEWS and from the bible?

Prophets; Adam, Idris, Salih, (There is a prophet with the camel that came from the hill; I forgot his name (AS)), Hud, Nuh, Dhar Kifl, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaqa. All of these are not Jews. They are long time before Jacob, who was Israel, but not Jew. Joseph was not a Jew either. The word Jew came from Judah, the brother of Joseph. You need good religious education.

@DavidDylan: « #11 on: Today at 09:48:16 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 09:34:20 PM
From this, you will read that from Ibrahim onward, and ending with Muhammad (AS), all prophets were chosen from his direct bloodline. Ismail and Isiaq.


But allah promptly forgot about ismail's lineage and concentrated on the younger, Isaac . . . why?

Allah never forgot anyone. He did not forget the Children of Israel in Egypt/Misr, either. In every situaion there are condition and time for action. The children of Israel suffered enough in Egypt. The, when it was time to get them them out, because they have been toughtened enough for the mission in the desert of Palestine, Allah raised a "savior and a liberator" for them in the person of Musa (AS).

So in all those generations, the children of Ismail (AS) were left alone, for the last miracle, mercy and means of forgiveness. This is what Muhammad (AS) was. Ask Muslims in Rochester, NY about the harshness of Makka. The people were unconquered. The land and its people were toughened up. Their culture and language were left unpolluted, all these many millenia. Was it then surprising for anyone with ability to see that Muhammad (AS) finally came from these people?

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 09:34:20 PM
Then Yaqub and his descendants


why did allah ALSO ignore Esau? According to your quran, allah chose both ismail and isaac as prophets no?

Hold your horses, bronco billy, or the urban cowboy. We are talking about Ismail's family. Isiaqa's family now has a famous branch known as children of Israel. But if I answer your question about Esau, I will have to ask you why did choose Yusuf from among his brothers, the children of Israil? The answer is only known to Allah. However, we see that the continuity of prophethood continued in the lineage of Ibrahim (AS), the friend of Allah. That is the mercy and a sign of acceptance of the prayer of the fully submitted man, Ibrahim (AS)!

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 09:34:20 PM
Then God Almighty returned to the bigger branch; Ismail (AS) to bring about the end of all Messengership and prophethood, in the person of Muhammad Ibn Abdallah, al Hashimi, al Quraishi, al al Makkani, al Madini, the greatest of of mankind!


From one lineage to another with no apparent reason? And suddenly allah stopped producing "prophets" since there are no jewish ones to plagiarise again?

Allah says He will never be unjust to His creations. So He gave us the criterion, so that we can know the commandments and laws. The differences of good and evil, so that we can not say that He did not give us the means to avoid sins. Then Allah endows us with freewill, so that we can make our own bed; a plush bedding or full of thorns.

Allah left the best for last. If you do not believe that the best is kept for last outing, then you have defeated Jesus without any muslim helping you here. In your own mind, regardless of what Moses did for his people, you had assumed he was pale to what Jesus was. You even elevated this last prophet from the children of Israel to god!

Now let me educate you a little. This is what I will call an evening in the cities of New York state; NYC and Rochester. Allah brought the Children of Israel to Egypt, with their father (Israel), through the elevated postion of Joseph. And before He settled them in the desert of Palestine; they lied, rebelled, accused and killed many aprophet and messengers. So from Moses; they lied and rebel and erect idols, all of these under Moses, the liberator and savior from the hands of oppressor Pharaoh.

During David and Solomon, they accused David of adultery and killing of the woman's husband. Yet it is this David who killed Goliat, united them as the first elected King and they sing his hymms. You are even named after him. David you should be ashamed of yourself for aligning with the people who accused this noble Prophet and King! Thats a king with a crown, unlike a "King without a portfolio!" His son, also a Prophet and King, Solomon was accused to dabble in magic and terrible sexual relation as concubines are not legal wives.

And the children of Israel did other evils by killing prophets. Innocent John and his aged father Zachariah they killed on the same day. John was beheaded. Do you remember reading that in your Bible, David? Ah. It was the same day that they killed these people that Jesus son of Mary began his ministry!

And you agree that Jesus was the last of the prophets and messengers of the line of Israel. I agree with you on this. You call Jesus a King. But he never wore a crown that was worthy of a king. Since he was the last in the bloodline of Israel to claim prophethood, and because of the many miracles that God performed in his hand, you called him, god, less as son of god, etc!

If this man was the last prophet/messenger with the Israelites, and he performed such a great number of miracles, just imagine what happens to the prophet/messenger that was the only one sent to all mankind! Allah says in the Qur'aan; Allah says that Muhammad is His messenger. He had confirmed to us that the disbelievers (you David and co) will not like Muhammad and his followers anyhow. So am not surprised, except that I love you like a son and griefed by it.

Allah says in Surah Tauba that Muhammad is a means of mercy and forgiveness. He said in many chapters that Muhammad was the messenger to all mankind. He told Muhammad in Surah Mudathir to procalim Islam to all the world. So Muhammad (AS) wrote a letter to kings and emperors and rulers of nations and civilizations, near and far. To Persia, to Rome, to Abyssinia, to Egypt, and Constantinople. Did anyone ever did this exact same thing before Muhammad? Calling people of other nations and tribes, colors and creeds to their ministry.

Am I surprised that Makka was left unconquered, thereby their language and culture pure and specific? No. Considering what Muhammad (AS) did during his lifetime. Then considering the enlightment that his followers brought to the worlg, immediately after his death. Please read the life history of Abu Bakr, Umar Khattab, Uthman Affan, Ali abi Talib, for full education. You need it.

Sin: Is the disobedience to the commandment of Allah. It is called Zulm, Faishah. Sinners are transgressors; Fir'awn was one of such people. Allah says that he (Fir'wan) trangressed all bounds of evilness; Innahu Thargooh. Kufr is the deadliest type of sin, because it denies the right recognition and worship of the One and Only True God; Allah the Almighty Creator.


Faith: Is Iman (belief), with complete Ilm (knowledge) of that there is Only One God Allah, while such a believer by this denies (kafara) all other possibility of godship and worship; everything therefore in this category is taking as subject and worshipper of the One Single Lord God.

It is bowing one's will (Aslam) as Ibrahim did (Suratul Baqarah Verse 131; the moment Allah commanded him.) clearly and immediately upon commanded in a directive to do so. A believer must have full knowledge that there is One (Aslamu tubi Rabbil Alamiin) Lord of all Creations.

Read Verses 124 all through 131 or so, to know about the dialogue of Allah with Ibrahim (AS), the leader of mankind and whose house was forever chosen for leadership of the world. From this, you will read that from Ibrahim onward, and ending with Muhammad (AS), all prophets were chosen from his direct bloodline. Ismail and Isiaq. Then Yaqub and his descendants, ending with Jesus. Then God Almighty returned to the bigger branch; Ismail (AS) to bring about the end of all Messengership and prophethood, in the person of Muhammad Ibn Abdallah, al Hashimi, al Quraishi, al al Makkani, al Madini, the greatest of of mankind!

Is there any belief except 100%? Is there any faith but 100%?

Allah started Surah Baqarah with Alif, Laaam, Miiim. And He said; This is the Book (ALQur'aan Kariim), in it there is no single doubt. Then from vesre 3 through 5 He gave the quality of true belief, the people of faith. David, do you see yourself in that description?

@DavidDylanL How many demons are there? Is there any other than Shaitan?

Omo boy; You and me on this one! I want to use Ogbon agba on you. Today na today!

@B Prophesy: « #530 on: January 08, 2009, 08:54 PM »

If one does a search of the Holy Bible the name Allah is not found as a name given for God Almighty.


Patricia - Bible Prophecy on the Web

This guy must be a very smart man. He wants to find out about Islam, he went to a Bible dictionary. Very smart.

@Olaadegbu: My jokes are not like the "Babasala" haha type. Also your sense of humor is not like that of mine. I am woody woodpecker, Speedy Gonzalez, The Simpsons, family Guy and American father type. I guess you are the Papeye and Bugs bunny type. Thats why you didnt get my jokes.

It reminds of Surak Kafiruun in the Qur'aan; Say, oh who disbeliever, I can not worship the god that you worship. Nor can you worship The God that I worship, !

@Dayokanu: Yesterday at 11:26:10 PM »

Just show us where Iran has rescinded the statement that they are not scheming for Israel to be destroyed.

Or any positive statement said to israel

Saying something positive about Israel is not the barometer of goodness or civility or sanity.
Saying something negative about Israel is not the yardstick of madness, insanity or stability.

If the above were to be the truth, then we will have to question Bush, Chaney and others.




@oshmann (m):« #9 on: Yesterday at 11:28:14 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 09:56:14 PM
Today, Barackallah Hussaine Obama, a Somali blood through Kenya, is now the incoming President.

i though his name is barack obama and his father is from kenya?

how come allah has joined his name and somali found it's way into his ancestry?

His grandfather's blood is from a tribe in Somalia. They migrated to Kenya. Just like your children and my children. They are still Nigerian Yorubas. Right? My children have Yoruba mother and am obviously a yoruba boy. I also pray that they would at least marry Nigerian women. Is there a doubt that my children are Yoruba in their genetics, regardless of their being born outside Nigeria? Google the paternal ancestry of Obama. You will find more than kenya in there. I thought you knew, man. This is common knowledge, blood.

And Barack is synonimous to Mubarak, or Barak or Baraka. The one that gives baraka is Allah. Hence the true name must contain Allah. Is just like those who call themselves abudu in Yorubaland. It is actually AbdAllah. See o ti yee e?

anyway, thank God Bush refused to attack iran. Only God knows how many lives George has saved just by refusing to do that. . . . . . . that is, if this story is true

Good things can come from a bad source. This remind of a man who was awoken by Satan so that he can make his prayer on time. So after his prayer, he asked satan, why would you do this for me? Satan gave all kind of lame excuses, until he was forced to speak the truth (In the same tradition that Shaitan (Lanatullah) spoke the truth about Ayatul Kursi). He had to comfess that if that believer were to have missed his prayer time, he can not stand to see how many, many prayers will make trying to praise God.

truth hurts

Where do you feel the pain, today? Go to Allah for relief. There is no relief, except from Him, alone.




@Okija_juju: « #10 on: Today at 03:50:29 AM »

Olabowale

There is no need for you to blow a gasket over a very simple question.

"If Iran should succeed in enriching their Uranuim to weapons grade, who are they most likely to use it on??"

Thanks man. I promise you not to blow any gasket. I will, inshaAllah return whole to Nigeria. And about Iran; I simply do not know the future. In the days before the over throw of Shah of Iran; Iran was the darling of America and the west, Israel and Iraq's shia group. After Shah's regime, Iran became the singular enemy of the west. And when Reagan became president, the war between Iran and Iraq became the means of punishing Iran, in addition to the embargo. And the Iraqi military under Saddam used WMD, chemical, etc to decimate th Iranian people. Mind you, no one cried foul then. I hope you were at least alive then.

If I were to name a country, Israel will not be the country I would name, for many reasons. At least, I know that America, under Bush, carrying the mantle of the Christian rght will support or pre-emptively strick at Iran. Russian in the effort to undermine USA, during the coldwar era, did not strick at USA. You see, just because a nation has Nuclear weapon, it does not mean that it will be the first weapon, used!

And when 2 years ago, Ahmadenijah went to give a lecture at Columbia, in NYC, you saw how talked down the President of that University spoke, in a mere introduction of the president of a soverign nation.

An official spoke person of Iranian academic society had to remind the President of Columbia University that Iran had more than 1000 Universities and they have seen civilization many many thousands of years before the west, indeed a young country known as USA.

I am saying all of these, while I disagree with Iran and her government, but her people are people of honor. This statement is irrespective of their religions; Islamic shiaism, with minority sunni, Jews, Christians, and others. Would a civilized people kill people enmasse? You answer that question, considering that all human genocides have not come from Islam, but Jews before they settled in Palestine, Christians from its inception. Definitely, in the Crusades and Inquisition, world wars, the genocides of the native Indians in America. And even now we see a lot of killings in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. All of that has Christian crusade mentality as its base.

You could have simply called a country, or said you have no idea but rather you start talking about Jesus and his disciples. Well let me let you know that I am not a christian, I consider Isreal to be UN/US sponsored bullies and I have no affinity towards any religion. And wetin concern Jesus concern Nuclear weapons sef!!??

So please answer the question and stop beating around the bush.
Isreal/US/UK/UN considers Iran a threat, and the US/UN/Isreal believe that the government of Iran is highly unstble and would use nuclear weapons (if he had one) against Isreal even with or without provocation.

Do you see that Israel is the reason that we are talking about this issue. I imagine 200 years ago. Was there a problem between UK, or US and Iran or the any nation or people from Islam? Aramco, the official Saudi Oil company is formed with american involvement (Arab American Company). I do not read the mind of anyone. I do not know the future. Maybe you are better than me.

If Afghanistan had Nuclear weapons, who are they likely to use it on??

Afghanistans? When, where and under whom? When Taliban were running the country; they dare not try to do any stupidity against america. I remember that before 911, a public relation officer of this notorious group was a guest in the US. I think he remained behind and was at Yale University.

If Iraq under Saddam had nuclear weapons, which country was he likely to use it on??

Saddam who was the lapdog of America? I remember the weak Iran-contra scandal. What a farce.

If North Korea Had Nuclear weapons, who are they likely to use it on??
If Cuba had Nuclear weapons, who are they likely to us it on??

I remember the bay of pig and the Russian effort to even cooperate with Cuba during the time of President Kennedy.

@SeanT21:« #9 on: Yesterday at 08:14:37 AM »

You should become a christian for the sake of love.

***~~Denounce Your Religion in the name of Jesus~~***

And ends up in hell fire? Thats not a good thing. The woman should be invited to what is good; Islam.
I would think that anyone with good head on her shoulder will want good, and shun bad.

And he was to be called Emmanuel. Not Jesus. No God. Not son of God. But you didn't listen and follow the instruction.

@Frizy: « #12 on: Yesterday at 04:21:47 PM »

Quote from: tpia on Yesterday at 04:17:01 PM
why were you trying to cause trouble between your parents nah? Would you have preferred your mom to take you to Ogun/sango shrine secretly, instead of a church? trick question oh!

Christianity is a tad better than Ogun/Sango religion. The Ogun/Sango worshippers are not hypocritical in their believes and worships. The Ogun person will not go worship or seek spiritual help from sango worshipper. And the case is the same with other. Unfortunately, those who called themselves Christian or Muslim go out of their religion for spiritual help. While I do understand the Christian's conditions, since they need an intecessor to get to God. I just do not know why a muslim need anything except full trust in Allah, using prayers and reading His Book, in full hope of success from Him. Has Allah failed any true and sincere Muslim?

So far this is one of the weakest arguments against Muslim/Christian marriages I've seen.

I have some friends who are from Muslim/Christian backgrounds and for the most part they grew up with some knowledge of both religions and the parents marriage didnt suffer for it either.

A muslim should seek a muslim spouse, first. While it is permissable for men to marry from Jews and Christians, it is not the first options, when there are muslim potential spouses to choose from. Is there a need for a person to start out with an individual who will at face value disagrees with your mode of worship? At least in Muslim bride, the muslim husband do not have to struggle with belief of disbelief.

It is forbidden by Allah that a muslim woman married anyone who is not a muslim. This is the command of the Most Powerful!

Don't twist my word. Am not trying to cause any confusion. I would never, me as a little boy who Allah wants to see the truth will from childhood even with that little reasoning know that he doesn't want Christianity. I loved praying with my dad, it was like an exercise that I thought was child's play. So going to another congregation would look strange.

Your story was exactly my story as a little boy. Alhamdulillah, my mother became Muslim woman, in her old age. The same story is what happens with my boys; they were always happy to make salah with me. I hope their mom becomes muslim through them before she dies. She is a good mother to them.

There should not be a reason for a muslim man to ignore a muslim woman, and look elsewhere for a non-muslim woman. I hope that the muslim man knows that the wrapping is beautiful. The unwrapping is part of the exitement and pre-intimacy. Life is a box of chocolate, you dont know what you gonna get. It is the opposite of already peeled and diced banana on the platter where everyone is free to deep.

@Recognise:

Heaven is the honeymoon of Christ and the church. Yall coming back to Earth
Posts: 64

Recognise, your signature in quote, truthfully betrays your lies and insensitivity to understanding. Hence, I am not surprised at your defense and effort to deflect the core process I put forward in my statement. Look at your insinuation that Christ and church are in honeymoon in heaven.

I wonder when the Church went to heaven; before Jesus was lifted, or lifted along with Jesus, or after Jesus was lifted? Note that I said Jesus was lifted. It simply means the lifting is by not the power of Jesus. But by another Power. That another Power Who lifted Jesus up to Himself is God the Creator. Jesus had no power of his own, except what God gave him to do a specific miracle at a specific time.


In other words; after Jesus had raised a dead person up, as a miracle to show that he was a prophet of God, I am sure if he could have the ability to raise dead people up, at will, every person with dead relative, freshly dead or long time buried and decayed would have besieged him to perform this miracle. And Jesus would have raised himself up, immediately that he had played dead on the cross, upon being placed in the cave.


We would not have to be arguing (lol; this is for you **Osisi, DavidDylan, etc) about a badly calculated 3 Jewish days, using any calender; Jewish or gregorian. And when a person dies, the blood does coagulate. Did Jesus blood coagulated? Was there any church erected, or known when Jesus dwelled on earth? Think man.


If Jesus and Church were to be honeymooning in heaven, then we must analyse this statement very carefully. Honeymoon is a word used for a period of ease before the beginning of expect heavy task in a process. A good example is the honeymoon in marriage. It usually starts the moment victory as in becoming husband and wife. The honey in it is the enjopyment of each other. The moon in it is the beauty of the moon. Afterall, no one can look at sun directly in a clear day. Yet the full moon in a clear night delights everyone. It shames the brightest star in its luster.

The honeymoon of Jesus and the church when its over, and they return to earth, I am taking it that you are now expecting the "killing field where the Jews are supposed to accept of dies?" Or do you have an exit strategy for us as in the "Jewish problems?"

« #22 on: Yesterday at 10:25:21 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 09:33:16 PM

@Olaadegbu:

Good jokes, man. So I will help with a dose of reality.

A muslim cleric went to see a Christian Reverend.

So he said to the reverend, how are you and your family, wife and children?

The Reverend snared at the Muslim; it is unholy for me, to have a family. I neither have a wife nor do I have even a child!
So the Muslim man in a classic wisdom quizzed; if you find it unholy to have a wife or a child, imagine how it is highly unholy that God Almighty Creator should have either!



@olabowale

Touch not Olaadegbu my anointed and do my prophets no harm.

The Bible is not against having families - except if one is given the grace to be single.

How can it when the idea of family was instituted by God.

The stance of the Reverend in your sarcasm joke is based on a Roman Catholic church doctrine.

As it were, there is no denomination before God

Recognise, you miss the mark, by a decade. Its shameful that you think that I was attacking annoited (Christ) lol for sure, Olaadegbu. However, the issue at hand is how on earth do the Christians, not the Jews or the Muslims believe, if you use the Abrahamic "supposed monotheists religions as our example", that God Almighty the Creator of Adam, Eve in a different and complete being from the elements they are created from, needs to have a child, in order to institute Mercy, Forgiveness, Compassion, etc? Is that not the same God Who created the Angels, the heavens and earth, etc?

If a reverend thinks that it is beneath his own holiness or commitment to the primary focus of doing good, to have a child, I wonder how he and the Christian think that God Almighty does not deserve a higher Holiness, hence there should not be a question of His having a son. Afterall, there is no where in the Old Testament or Psalm, where God told any prophet (Moses or David (AS)) that His son, (a person who will be called Jesus/Chrsit) will be born. Or is there? If it was revealed so, the Jews have not used it.

But more importantly, the muslims, who have the "lastest" revelation have stated categorically that this idea of God having a child is completely false.

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 09:38:28 PM

A muslim in Brooklyn, NY asked his Christian neighbor, if sin is not result of disobedience of God commandment? They responded in the affirmative.
So he gave them a dumbfounded question about what possible sin, could a new born baby might have committed to be qualified as a sinner, right from mother's womb?



Quick response to the above sarcasm joke with a simple analogy right up your alley.

In Microsoft Office, the normal.dot file is used to produce the *.doc files

When the Word application’s template (i.e. normal.dot file) sins goes corrupt, all future word documents files composed using the template automatically becomes corrupt as well.

This is regardless of the word doc files been brand new and seemingly without sin fault.

They inherit the sin corruption for the simply reason of getting composed off a dodgy template

First, I am not involved in computer business. I barely can do the foundamentals of it. Emails, respond on nairaland. Your assumption about me, clearly, again shows your inability to understand the underpinning message that I am relating here;

If I look at your analogy at face value, I will come up with the faulty designed of the computer and or software. We see that be does not have a 100% knowledge of computer, and other things. Definitely, when the product was first designed, it did not have any corruption in it, otherwise it would not have been introduced into the market. It is after it has been in use for a while that it acquired the corruptions (sins), but never before. You know no one will buy a faulty product at full price.

Now God Almighty is the Designer of man. He is a better Designer than the less than 100% of knowledge computer designer. Hence, you can not expect God to produce humans brand new, with sin hanging on our head even before we have a chance to begin to experience and make decisions about what is good or what is evil. Remember I was talking about a brand new baby, just born, yet unable to decide anything. Again do you have a computer product that it is taking into the market for the comsumers with corruptions, in it already? You think Microsoft will not make an immediate recall? Otherwise, some class action law suit will bankrupt that company in no time.

Recognise; ya got to recognize man!





@OLAADEGBU (m): « #23 on: Today at 12:31:39 PM »

@Recognise, thanks and God bless you abundantly for correcting the mirepresentations, misconceptions and misunderstandings of olabowale when it comes to the reality of the nature of Jesus Christ and the Bible. May God Almighty bless you with more wisdom and understanding in getting the message across. In Jesus' name.

That Dude, Recognise failed, terribly in his response. He lowered God to ordinary catholic reverends in his having or not having a child idea. Let me shock you a moment longer; since you guys believe that Jesus is also God. And God is father. Then it must be that Jesus is the father. Can Jesus be the son and father of himself? Can Jesus be the one who got his own mother pregnant (I never said intercourse is involved, here in this post. At least thats not my issue here, today), as the holy ghost, on one hand, but then turn the father responsibilily over to father, while he is the future baby developing in the womb? lol.

@olabowale, I hope the above response answers your sarcasms You need a better understanding of our King. Fasten your seat belt and hold on tight while you listen to a brief introduction of my King, I wonder if you know Him. Watch the description of my King in the video link below.

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=572b18853b3948570fad

Ridiculous. I am with the Creator of Jesus. Jesus and me are both slaves and servants of this Great Creator. Are there more than one true master to any slave? If there is, each master would want his agenda to dominate the other masters. Each would be tryng to circumvent or undermine the other.

Allah says in the Qur'aan; and the meaning is: If there have been other lords, they would have gathered their strength together, in collaboration (since each would have failed independently) to try to overthrown (compete with) the Most Merciful. That statement alone destroy singularly, or collectively, the possibility of any one else, as a god or gods!


Yesterday, I was talking to a pastor, whom I told that daughters should have properties from their fathers; gifts while the father is still alive and share in the property or inheritance that he leaves behind upon his death. This pastor almost was in shock. Our friendly dialogue led us to marriage, whereby he said let man and woman leave their fathers home and become one.

My response to him shocked him even further, when I told him that daughters should never lose their fathers names, even after marriage. They should be called by their fathers name. It is the liberation of islam, which is the only religion that specified this "non-property" classification of the woman, even when she is married. Women are no property and should not be treated as such. I called muslim friends who told the pastor that their wives and mine still keep their father's names.

He had told me that it is not the same, in Christianity. I have asked him to show me from his Bible, where it is made a commandment that women should be the one that must adopt the men's family name and lose her heritage upon marriage. I am sure I will wait forever, unless a future Bible edition includes it. Can anyone help this pastor, please? I am certain that Jesus never told his "Jewish blood" desciples this. Well its very difficult to know what Jesus said, since his revelation has been corrupted.

@Dayokanu: And there used to be a time that no one in this USA could ever imagined a black man at the helm. Today, Barackallah Hussaine Obama, a Somali blood through Kenya, is now the incoming President. Now, tell me, what was said in the past, is that still valid today, considering what will be happening on the 20 of January?

If I live only by the past statement alone, I would not have asked if anyone knows the future? I would also have believed that the remnants of human tragedy known as holocaust would not be the group committing a modern day atrocity that even out lived South African Aparteid.

Okare, Baba Osun State. Omo Odua. Omo Lamurudu. Which one is correct?

A muslim in Brooklyn, NY asked his Christian neighbor, if sin is not result of disobedience of God commandment? They responded in the affirmative. So he gave them a dumbfounded question about what possible sin, could a new born baby might have committed to be qualified as a sinner, right from mother's womb?