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@Bindex: I feel for you man. You let yourself go away from Islam, because your mother went back to Christianity? Shouldn't you have been the one helping her to know that 3 gods concept truly say that no single one of them is a complete god!

It simply shows that that type of belief system is a farce. If you an hausa and read Qur'aan in Arabic, didn't you see that Allah says that from the collage and tapestry of His creations, you will definitely see the Proofs of His existence, if you reflect? Obviously, you did not reflect.

Unfortunately, you have Muslims by name only. Thats what you saw demostrated by those people who killed your friends. Those thugs should have known that life is to be cherished.

And people should be killed not because they are different from you, but if they were trying to kill you and also spreading evil in the land.

Peopl should be fought if they are preventing you from worshipping Allah. And such a person may die in the process, since his intention is to keep you from worshipping your LOrd God Allah the Almighty.

When I hear about these africans' epiphany away from belief in God because they meet Eurpopeans, etc, I often wonder if they did not have such a disbelief in their hearts, right from the jump start while in Africa?

I pray that my belief in One True God Allah the Almighty will die with me. Amin. So Bindex, all the Qur'aan must have disappeared from your tongue, uh? Subhanallah!

thats your id now. you picture should be the definition of it, since we see that you are a bat. legally blind. while that girl was legall  blonde.

you have a jew as a friend? then try an israeli as a friend.ept a handful of them, they think you are shlitch. you know.

dayokanu; in the home country, is there a muslim in your village? are you afraid of him? in obodo, america, whatever town you live in, is there a muslim? are you afraid of him? thats isgorance, if you do.

Then i will ask you to go to Williamsburg or Borough park, in Brooklyn, where the jews live! Or their small towns in Jersey, upstate New York. We will see how much they love you, when they will call cops on your Yoruba hide for walking down the street.

They love you. they truly love you, gentile!

bad joke. you thought you got jokes. orishi rishi ijebu ara eee.

i beg let me hear word.

DavidDylan: If the muslims wanted to wipe out the "Jews", would there have been any in the lands controlled by Muslims in the time of the prophet (AS), the kalifah, in Cordoba and the whole of spain, and even in the Turkish kalifa?

Please put on think cap or borrow one from your neighbor in the office before you respond!

Now here where your medicine is appropriate: Do me a favor, with due respect to your still wet behind the ear's youth; shut up!

Were you alive before the Nigerian independence? If you are not, 4 Play, you will be just faking it up!

The Pundit Yoruba Boys; the Afeniferes of the Israeli nation, DavidDylan and co., have lost Jesus in this argument! They are so blind in their rage that they throw over their shoulders the commandment of Jesus, their human god!

I wonder when it is the right of the Children of Isaac to tell what the Children of Ismail should do? Did they think that the ismailites sold their birthright like Esau did with Jacob? Impossible!

@DavidDylan: « #20 on: Yesterday at 11:47:21 PM »  

Quote from: RichyBlacK on Yesterday at 11:44:22 PM
Why not try taking your own advice for once, hmm?


Not when we have blockheads like you around . . . no.

I concur. David, not when we have a double blockheads like you around, no!
In your case, you are a bonehead, too. If you can dock, dont throw the spat!

You know what I mean?

Did the Jews leave the ghettoes and survived the holocaust of 2nd World war, and just ended up in an empty land, without People known as Palestinians already on it?

They ended up in Palestine and formed the state of Israel, not because of politics, but solely because of religion.


@DavidDylan:

If your view were any "balanced" you would have told Hamas to stop sending rockets to Israel.

Shii ko maa binu Oko iyee eni! I guess if people took my family property, while I was young, now that I am old enough to know that injustice have been meterred to my people, from your own balanced view it is wrong that I even should complain, and wanting it back should be no option!

The only  thing  I see the palestinians doing wrong, is that they are not organized. You pick your fights, when you are good and ready. That they need to do is go back to their religions; Islam for the most part and those in Christianity.

They should be forebearing. Grin and bear it, until they have penetrated and secured enough strength to truly fight for what is there own.

The Yorubas say that " bi owo eni o ba kaa eku ida, a ki nbere iku ti o paa baba eni!" But other people say, any means necessary.

For me I am a firm believer in getting back what is truly yours. But the process must be ironclad. in your favor. This is why that I think the palestinians should have waited for another 50 years to forcefully ask for their property back. In the maintime, they could just have climbed the ladder of world stage succeess like their Jewish cousin.

@DavidDylan: « #12 on: Today at 11:19:30 PM »  

what has allah to do with this?

In all these years you still don't know that you start proper name with Capital letter!

I wonder if you are supporting the Israelis out of your own "balanced and disinterested view of the world?"
Aren't you supporting them because they are people of your human god, Jesus? And I am sure you know what they think of your black hide in Tel Aviv!

Now, I brought Allah into the topic, because He was the One Who defeated Fir'awn and his formidable army. Remmber Musa (AS) did not have the means to defeat Egypt, except that Allah made it happen.

May Allah raise another Musa (AS) personality for the oppressed Palestinians. I know it may take time, by Allah will raise a true leader who will steer the Palestinians to go back to true belief and then prepare to crush their oppressors, once and finally, for all.

So interesting that no one has noticed that the remnants and products of Cracow and Warsaw ghettoes, who experienced Christanow, and gas chambers and holocaust, are doing the exact same thing, in a more methodical and proficient ways!

The Black Jewish Congress of Nigerian Yoruba blood are discussing their strategies. Sorry. I didn't know that Oduduwa and Lamurudu are offshoots of Isaac, or from Jacob or from son Judah?

The Ijebus among yo should be ashamed. Especially you, DavidDylan of (Uhm; I wonder if am talking to Bob Dylan?) Ijebu Ode blood!

A scenerio: And Allah sends His might against the Israeli, in their impenetrable tanks. Angels or what ever He chose. Afterall the Oppressive Abraha and his army on elephants were defeated by Allah using a mere flocks of tiny birds which dropped flaming hot sands on the evil doers from their beaks.

We will see what the break of day will bring, if Allah wills to defeat and humiliate the Israeli IDF tonight.

@Huxley: « #3 on: Today at 09:02:15 PM »

1) Why did Allah allow the words of the Old Testament prophets to become corrupt? Speaking to prophets and then not preserving the words seem to render the entire exercise in having prophets a moot point

There is no need to think that Allah Who Wills that the process of His revelations be in stages, starting from Leaflets or Pamphlets (Suhuf), like the one that was given to Ibrahim (AS). Please this is mentioned in Surah Ala, in the last verse of it.

Then we see that Allah reveal a bigger volume, as in Taurah to Musa, who had to shephard a greater people, the Children of Israel. Since it is the will of Allah that the Taurah will not be the end of His Revelation to mankind, we see that there was no change or corruption in the taurah, during the time of Musa (AS). He Musa being the human guard of that book.

But please know that while Musa was alive, you had true believers, weak believers and hypocrites among the Children of Israel. And my proofs are many. But I will leave you with the building of golden calf as a primary proof. Even if they had believed that Musa was dead, was this enough to abandone the God Who had single handledly saved from the slavery of Egypt and provided them with manna from heaven?

It was not so surprising that after Musa, in time the Children of Israel corrupted the Taurah to fit their "need", coming up with a Taurah that is not 100% as what Musa left behind. The Children of Israel, as any human have free will. Therefore you see many throughout their lives, shunning evil and trying to worship God as they see successive prophets do, who came to stir them back to the right part, and lead them away from corrupted belief and book. The Children of Israel even developed "Talmuth", and occult known as kabala, today.



We also know that Allah gave Sabur (Psalm) to Prophet and King David (AS). It is a way to correct the people as well. After that the Injil (New Testament) came to Isa bin Mariam (AS). In each successive revelations, leading to the last and final revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah allows the human mind in the always willing to defy truth, (Like your Huxley as a good example, except that you are out and honest about your disbelief) we do not see in the Bible, the Old, the New Testament, and the Sabur and in the Qur'aan, that revelation of Allah ends, with any, except in the Qur'an where it says so about the Qur'aan, alone.

Why is this so? Prior to the Qur'aan, the process was just a continuous succession of revelations, leading to the final one. The final revelation will have to come with the final Messenger and Prophet. It also have to definitely prove to be final. And have to be different and be vouch save and be safeguarded.

1). Surah Azhab speaks about Muhammad (AS) as the final Messanger and the seal (ending of) of prophets.

2). Surah Al Maida speaks about a complete circle of favor on mankind, where by Islam has been perfected and other religions are now completely rejected.

3). Allah Himself said that He will safeguard The Qur'aan and will not allow any corruption to enter it.

So we see that even muslims of different sects still have the same Qur'aan. There is no new religion after the brand of Islam given to Muhammad (AS). Hence anyone who says (Upstate New York's Joseph Smith) he is a prophet is a liar. Incidentally, the question one would have Joseph Smith is this; didn't Jesus gave to the Christians a good and complete guidelines in the NT as his revelation that you have to come witha "Supplimentary?" But of course, my question was already answered even from the Bible as no, since we have acts of Apostles and the rest of the New Testaments apart from the four Gospels as Books after the time of Jesus on earth!

@Huxley: I went to the sight. Please write the Questions down and even including the bonus round. I will answer, Allah willing each and every one of them. Other Muslims will, too. The music is very distracting and I can not write fast to be able to get the accurate picture of your "Skeptic" guy.

@SCYLLA: « #25 on: Today at 02:17:57 PM »

[/quote]@olabowale
Thank you for your pitch, I don't think there is an "answer".
@monicaa
I have come to realise that we are a function of our environment, like martian correctly pointed out to you, there are so many religions in this world all laying claim to the divine. They cannot all be right.
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But they can all be wrong. But there is no doubt that if they are not all wrong, and since they can not alll be right, only one must be right. Please, find that one, except that you can proof that they are all wrong! Huxley and company, thats also ajourney that has a destination. Take this journey instead of going about destinationless in a desert, with your mind closed!

@Huxley: « #21 on: Today at 01:34:39 PM »  

Quote from: SCYLLA on Today at 08:47:25 AM
Monica its a long story, but after examining everything, I just cannot say for sure if there is a God.


Although I am an atheist, I do not consider this as an end in itself.  Atheism by itself is not a badge of honour.  What matter most is the journey and not the destination.  The journey is the most illuminating process you will have undergone in your life.  On this journey, if done properly, you will learn;

I think you are a wonderer, man. How can you journey without a destination? Thats a perpetual journey. Even on earth you can do it. Forrrest Gump ran for as long as he can, and suddenly he stop. He uttered out "I think I will go home, now!" He was a retard in the Movie. You Huxley, with all the African in you and your scholarship acquired in England (Note to self: Dont send your child to England, except to Visit, to know those who enslaved his people), you are even worse, because you enbark on a journey without destination! The worst thing you have ever said, yet, even though I find you wierd, many atime. But this is the rockbottom!

I have news for you man. Soon, hopefully this year or next, you will hit 50. At least you know by now that you are no more a teenager, any longer! In another 50 years, death will be knocking at your door. Your journey on earth will be winding down, to a destination; the after this earthly life. I know you will say "grave", but your atheist knowledge does not know what happens, for sure after death.

Your new journey will continue, just like the life of a newly born continues in outside, while it would have been an impossible in his mind, if he were asked, just moment before his mother begins to feel that he must be born and leaves the womb empty.

This is your problem, Huxley. have baked knowledge sometimes is worse than no knowledge at all. You lack "good knowledge; none whatsoever!"

Get a Qur'aan and read ma. Start from the first page and finish the Book! You should dare me on this. And am counting on the African in you. The British part I can't vouch for, because you people are far out, man.


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1)  Critical thinking skills
2)  Philosophy  and argumentation
3)  Science and scientific rationalism
4)  Philosophy of religion and mythology
5)  Your local family religion and their holy books
6)  History

[/quote]People who have faith in God do these things, too.


[quote]If you are naturally disposed to learning and are of an intellectual bent, you will find this process stimulating, challenging and liberating.  In fact, I consider this journey a journey without destination, for while you still have life in you, you will be going over many of these subjects daily.

At some point during this journey, you will be faced with having to decide whether you think the theistic narrative carries more explanatory power than the atheistic worldview.   Whichever way you decide to go, you will have become a much better person.

This is the best thing you have ever said. Man you are weird. In the same post, you went from worst to good. I think there is still belief in your heart. Let me know when you begin to read the Qur'aan. I wanna know your reaction.

@Toyosi20: « #9 on: Today at 01:13:39 AM »

@ Topic

The real question should be for how long can u pretend. . . . . . .

He can pretend as long as he wants. And he will fool almost everyone, too. Except those who can smell a phony from long distance. Afterall, the religion of his girlfriend, and his people is Christianity. In christianity, the pretence is that Jesus is god! Yet he :knew not" the time of the Hour, except that the Knower is the One Who Sent him!

What kinda god, except a make believe god will have such a deficient knowledge of the end time that he is the only one that is supposed to be the beginner, by coming back to rapture, and the only one to judge!

Its interesting that the Bible reports that this make believe god said that he would be back before his audience dies off! This was 2000 years ago. Almost. Is any one from that pool of audience still alive, somewhere? If not, you will see that fake god as spoken fakery, unless he didn't claim to be God. Therefore everything is a sham. Now my man, try Islam. I know its going to hit you hard like a "pizza pie", but thats a process you have to go through, before you become a hardliner atheist like Huxley there!

Huxley is not thinking or he is just too stubborn to want to know the truth, because he can't handle it!

Falling in love is so hard on the knees, like seriously, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I though Love is a matter of the heart, where emotion is felt? What role do "knees" play? Like seriously?

@JJYOU: My new year is the Islamic calender. It is the fourth day into the New Year for me already. Assura is coming up on Wednesday, too. The day before it is also a good day.


My brother, are the Israelis taking a break from their assorts of the Palestinians in Gaza? I am only talking. Thats mild compare to the Israeli's action. Common sense should tell you that.

And the only people in history which the children of Israel never suffered any calamity, as a people is the Muslim of the world. Learn about Andalusia, and Cordoba, and the Kalifah of Otthoman Turks. And by the way, the Christians advanced, tremendously, too.

@davidylan: I am yawning as I read your pinhole single ray view about the world. I see that you got to meet people around the world.

History; The Jews, from their time, with the beginning of the first set of children of Israel, Joseph (AS) and his siblings, they will occupy positions of honor in every society that they reside. Then they dominate it. They continue to dominate it, until they become the toast of the society. Then in time they will fall from grace, the position of honor where they are held.

Then the people begin to dislike them and in time hate them enough to segregate them and lambast them. And before long they are rejected and not wanted. They are sacked and banished.

Look around. Read your human history. Both far into human history and recent. Now the America loves their Jews now. They are the elites. In the courts, and even in places where you have to get any permits to do the most mondane, as driving or renovate your home, they are in the position of power. You have to speak Yiddish to do anything in my part of America, New York City.

By the way, I dont hate them. Thats the truth. I have many as close associates, even as friends. When I have a need for lawyers to handle issues for me, go to Children of Israel.

Today, some people in Europe and America are beginning to talk about their dominance of them. Someday, I hope that the day never come, but it may be inevitable, based on human history, we may have a repeat of what had happened in the past.

Don't gloat too much, David.

Shouldn't you, as christians be using only what Jesus said, instead of using anything from the prophets of old, whom Paul said their laws and prophethoods were nailed to the cross?

Shouldnt Jesus be enough for you? If his saying is not enough, then he is not an enough god! You need a complete God.

@Davidylan: Whats the position of the Jews about Palestinian having their own state, in a land that they have consistently lived in? In a land where they were themajority before the Jews were carted into it, enmasse from the ghettoes of Europe and concentration camps?

Did the palestinians build the ghettoes or administer the concentration camps?

And as to the Ahadith of Bukhari, should we not remind you of the Biblical Amageddon, where the Jews will be "forced" to accept Christianity as a religion and a common rabbi from their rank as lord and savior otherwise be killed? You darn hypocrite, you!

@Jookco: « #54 on: Today at 04:11:56 AM »

Iran is nothing but a mad dog, Isreal is ever ready for Iran and will soon attack them, don't ever believe Iran will first attack Isreal, the United States will lund their air strike through Isreal on the Iranian nuclear site, this Iranian president will regret every step he must have taking against Isreal.

War drumbeat from a nigerian living in a village called Hayward! The same guy who will never volunteer to defend his homeland, if it were attacked. Christianity. Turn the other cheek is alive and well.



@davidylan (m): « #55 on: Today at 04:17:48 AM »

guess the common trend between those 2? They trained and lived in the very same west they love to hate.

They were born here. Think man. And the best of Arabs are on Arab soil. Just like the best of nigerians are on nigerian soil, albeit the fraud, malaisse, and other ills.



@4 Play (m): « #56 on: Today at 04:40:07 AM »

@Olabowale

Why you no mention my ''best Arab''? General John Philip Abizaid, there was a blockbuster Hollywood movie scene based on this guy's exploits.

Sorry, man. What about the Iraqi born US ambassador to the UN? Still a muslim.

It's a pity Arab Christians are finding the Middle-East too hostile for them. They are leaving in droves and some of them turned into notable politicians in the US. Spencer Abraham - former Energy Secretary. John Sununu Snr, former White House Chief of Staff. His son, Senator John Sununu Jnr, by my reckoning, easily the most intelligent man in Congress. Pity he lost in the recent elections.

And the africans are leaving Africa in drove. Its a trend man. This is the way human think and migrate. Everyone is looking for that permanently greener pasture. When Egypt was one of the foremost of world nations, the whole of Jacob clans (nations) lived in it for hundreds of years. When Rome was one of the civilized places in the world, along with Greece, their fashion and language was in vogue.

To be part of the "in crowd" you are part of what's happening in the world. In the 70s and 80s, no one wants to be in China and India. Today brings in a different picture. Many africans are now living, studying, doing businesses in these places. There used to be a time that America was only considered as a Technician society, where then Europe was the land of the Engineers. This does not mean that in time, sotimes in the future, there will not be a new world centre country! China and India seem to be emerging as the lasted crop.

Ralph Nader, Helen Thomas, James Zogby, Nassim Nicholas Taleb,e.t.c. These are the ones I can remember. The Middle-East is losing its brightest, thanks to Muslim intolerance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Abizaid

And in 30 to 50 years from now, when the sons and daughters of Africa are in the forefront of the Prime country of the world, what will you chalk up the emergence to; same as for the middleeast, Islam? Oh wait a minute, Barack Hussaine Obama is fathered by an african of Kenya nationality, of Islamic root. Maybe you are right!

It just does not add up.

@~Lady~; « #27 on: Today at 08:02:42 AM »

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You're funny. Joe asked a very simple question about marriage to a muslim. I answered with the scriptures that God says its a no-no. You're then stretching my reply to apply to an entirely different situation saying "scripture is misrepresented".

Which god says; father, holy ghost or son? Remember son was lifted up. If he was the speaker that said, was it before he was hanged or after he woke up or after he was lifted up? Boy, it must have been awfully quite in those full three days consisting of three days and three nights, when he was taking down from the tree and before he left the cave where he was placed.

Sorry about that, but I was replying to one post, and I wanted you to go into more detail, majority of the time when I ask questions, it's not for me but for those who are reading and are too lazy to pick up the Bible and read and pray and all that. I like it when people are detailed about things so as not to confuse others. But I see you took care of that. Good job.

Show off!

Now after reading your explanations, I agree to a certain extent, and the extent being I know muslims that have become Christians through marriage, and I think they are worth it. Their families have also become Christians, well some of them. I don't think one soul should be written off just like that.

In america? Or in 9ja? And many from the Christians, especially in the West have become Muslims. Not essentially through marriage, but by conviction of true faith. Is it not easier for a servant who has One Master, than the one who has Three Equal Masters? Imagine the three masters, each with his own different and separate agenda to be attended to. But it happened that these demands on the servant happen to be at the same time. ~Lady~ which master should the servant attend to, and be safe from the anger of the others who are now clearly not as actually equal, if they could not punish the Servant? Look at the case of God the Creator, and holy ghost and Jesus as the example.

I need an answer from you. I will not let you get away with weak response. People, her revertion and yours too, Imhotep, Jesoul, etc, begin, just about now. You will find out that those who from Islam convert to any way or religion have left a sure Master and taking up an assortment of friends, one being the devil who had seduced them to his side.




@imhotep: « #28 on: Today at 10:33:57 AM »

I have a friend who converted from Islam to Christianity and then proceeded to marry a Christian lady. His (predominantly) Muslim family threatened to ostracize him, among other things. My friend had to embark on serious prayer and fasting. After some months, his predominantly Muslim family changed their collective minds and became supportive of his new faith and his new wife. Some of them even converted.

I have many friends, who left Christianity and brought their whole families into Islam. In 9ja and here in Yankee. Ask ~Lady~. She sees plenty of Black American Muslims in Atlanta, GA. Even in Sunny Florida. She knows some of them, too.

@poster
I suggest you tow a similar line. It is at times like this that the faith we profess is tested like gold in the furnace. We discover that, to truly find Jesus is ultimately to lose our false selves.

God be with you.

First, I think the Muslim woman, Risi, needs to go back to Islam. She will see in Surah Azhab (The Confederate. I think it is chapter 33), that Muslim women are not permissible for any man other than muslim man. Muslims, men and women should not engage in boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. Allah the Almighty Creator says in Nisaa (The Women) that people should not even come near "things that may lead to illegal sexual act." Such an act, the illegal sex is a thing of abomination, evil thing indeed!

What Risi needs to do is find marriage and have an appropriate and legal relationship with a believing husband. And my young man who is interested in Risi, think about your personal relationship with your Creator. There is Only One Creator. And Jesus aint Him. And neither is holy ghost! Come into Islam, Come into success. Know that you are a creation, a servant of your Lord, Allah the Irresistable.

If Risi is the cause for which you will enter Islam, then enter it wholeheartedly, completely and stop having three gods in your life!

@JJYOU: « #19 on: Yesterday at 06:46:29 PM »

Quote from: *osisi* on Yesterday at 06:35:46 PM
what religion?
You need to study about Iran.
and learn what their religion is.
They don't even worship in the same mosques and don't believe the same things.
They hate Arabs with a passion

If they truly hate Arabs, as you said, then they must have hated the Prophet and the people from his family (alul bait), Ali bin Abi Talib, Fatima Zarah, Hasan wa Husaine! The Persians are not 100% Shia. They do have minority muslim non-shia, Christians and others! And not all Shias are Persians. The Shia rule in Iraq is Arabic. The Sunni Minority is also Arabic, and Kurds.

And I worshipped many times with Shia people. They are not all as radicalized as you think. And there is other Makka and Madina for Hajj and Umrah, than one in Arabia Saudia. Any other pilgrimage is innovation and unaccepted Islamically.

i was shocked to see a very mild mannered friend throw the greatest tantrum i have seen an adult because someone called her an arab. she spent the next few weeks telling me the difference.

She lacks a good amount of true faith. Is there any greater honor in Islam that to be called a person with commonality with the Prophet (AS)? The language of Arabic is the language of the cherished Qur'an! For a person to get bent out of shape because of being called an Arab while she/he claimed to be a Muslim, shows lack of understanding of Islam.

Will I be upset it I am called an igbo man or from any tribe? The answer is no. And the person who said that the palestinians are not Arabs, should tell us what their language is, if different from Arabic? The nation is Palestine, but the tribal culture and language is Arab, pure and simple.

Quote from: Martian on Yesterday at 06:43:17 PM
Persians, arabs, ragheads, who gives a f*ck, they are all crazy.

mmmmmmm

Black Africans, African Americans, Caribbean Africans/blacks, Blacks in Europe or any where else, who gives, ! You know where am going with this? There is no reason to be caustic to make a point. And not all Arabs are crazy. Late Edward Said of Columbia University, of palestinian extraction was a good example of not crazy Arab. Dr. Joe Bojrab a world remown Vet Surgeon is another. I could give you a ton of them.

@~Lady~: « #20 on: Yesterday at 06:13:49 AM »

I am Nigerian my main language is Benin and yet I speak English. Italians also speak and write in English. Do you get it? You don't have to come from England to write and speak english.

Beni language is spoken by Benin people.


[quote]Most of the people living in Jesus' time spoke and wrote greek. Ever heard of greco-roman? For someone with "knowledge" you seem to know little.

What language did Jesus his sermon in? Greco-roman or in a semitic language for his people to his people?

The gospels are not written like a narrative fiction, you view it as fiction.

Facts should be written as it happened. If not, it becomes an embellished report at best.

However it is a narration and that's why it is in third person, considering the fact that the writer was not the only person present at these events of Jesus' life. The gospels were not written to be scripture. None of the books in the Bible or at least the New Testament were written to be scripture.

And they call it scripture. Why?

During a time of persecution the eyewitnesses were dying quickly and they thought it best to write down these narratives so as to have records of what happened before it got lost in time. While Jesus walked the earth, the disciples weren't reporters who carried notebooks and tape recorders to capture every thing that was said.

Most of the gospels were not even written to be read universally, they were written to a specific people, that is why each writer describes things differently. For example Matthew was writing to the Jewish Christians and therefore used images that identified with the Jewish people.

There were no Christians in the time of Jesus.

Luke wrote to the gentiles who were associated with greek philosophers and therefore used images that identified with them.

No wonder we have different accounts of the same event. The writers saw things through different PRIZMS!

One example of this is the beatitudes sermon. Matthew describes Jesus as sitting on a Mountain likening him to Moses and Moses is viewed as authority, while Luke has Jesus on a plain likening him to the greek philosophers as most of them gave their speeches on a plain, on level ground.

What is true; did be sit on a mountain, or in a plain? Plain is a flat land, not mountain. Mountain is distinctively higher that a plain. Can the two of them be correct; a plain and mountain at the same time? Impossible. If it was, it would have been reported by both writers as "miracle!"

So you see the gospels or any of the books in the Bible cannot be appraoched or read as if it was written today and to us.

If not written to you, how do you then take that you are part of the audience for the message. The Qur'aan says that Jesus message is for the Children of Israel, and not for any other group. You just confirmed what the Qur'aan says.

It must be understood as it was written, understanding the message one can then apply it to today's life.

Uhm. Using a manual of another people for your own condition is always a wrong approach.

If I were to write a narrative of Jesus giving a sermon, I would create an environment that had him on stage with a podium with a presidential sign as this is symbolic of power and authority to people living today.

If he did speak from a podium that has a presidential seal , then you have not written an accurate report about him.

So oga if you truly want to understand it, you have to first be willing to do the work. Learn the culture of the people then and how they reasoned. Then and only then will you fully understand the messages in the Bible

Truth should be the message of a Book that is a true spiritual manual.

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@Dayokanu: « #18 on: Today at 05:34:07 PM »

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If it is possible to specify where the American tax Dollar is spent, individuals like me would have specified that none of my hard earned money paid as taxes should be given to Israel! There will be many Christians in the "individuals." Let Isral raise her own monies through whatever means. Let the palestinians do the same. Let them fight each other, without anyone helping any of the two. And after a while, the world would see the remnant that will remain

Olabowale,
The easiest way out of your dillemma is to just relocate to the good Arab nations like Iran, Syri and maybe Gaza where you know your tax is not given to ISRAEL but to Hamas and Hezballah to fight the HOLY WAR

Dayo, the last I know, yankee is not part of USA. And my blood is here! I am the one who should ask you to relocate to Israel if you love them so much! Can you do that please, and write about your negro experience to us?

I will tell you a common joke amongst the Jews. I know them morethan you ever will. They say that the brain of "Blackman is highly priced to them! Why, because the brain is new and never have been used. See the blind responses of the Africans in support of the Zionists! And David, zionizm is a term the Jews use for themselves. We in Islam do not have to say it as derogative term.

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It is a pity that the Apartheid State of Israel has reduced itself to fighting ill-equipped, rag-tag, non-state, but brave fighters like Hamas and Hezbollah. Soon, they'll grow some balls and fight against well-trained Arab and Persian divisions; that day is drawing nearer. Having watched the IDF squirm under Hezbollah's impressive defense in 2006 and observing how the IDF is showing its force today, military strategists in the middle-east are undoubtedly studying the exposed weaknesses of the IDF. Nobody needs a soothsayer to tell him/her that the next time Israel engages a real army (not small Hezbollah or tiny Hamas), the blow to the IDF will be shocking!

The Arab nations all allied together to fight Israel more than once and you know what the result was. Ask Anwar Sadat!!

Dayo, Saddat is dead long time! We know that he was a MASONIC ORGANIZATION member when alive! This is completely against Islam. We also see the same in Hussain Mubarak. Are these truly Muslims? Allah knows their hearts. Amongst Muslims we have hypocrites/Munafiiqun.

In Palestine, when Yasid Arafat died, he was found to have allied the wealth of his people in "Interest based" money management program with a Jew in Israel. Tell me what is Islamic about this? Tell me what is even nation conscious/patriotic about this? His case was like the case, if it were to have happened, that Mandela in prison put in the care of White Afrikaans the monies of ANC to manage! Get it?

When the true way begins, the Palestinians, Allah Willing would have increased in True faith. Then the disbelieving Zionists will be a walk in the park. Dont forget that Allah is in control!

« #12 on: Today at 03:32:41 PM »

@Olabowale,

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The true follower of christ reveals his innermost thought.
What do you know about followign Christ? You do not even match your idol Mohammed, in blood-thirstiness and yet you are bold to declare others are not following their master's will.


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No one can tell me that the palestinians, when they got to the land known as Palestine, displaced any Children of Israel! This I will like somebody to proof! But of course, Dayo is not a Jesus follower, but only by name. He is more like a Tyrant follower. Maybe Saul/Paul follower.
Of course they did not displace them. The Isrealites welcomed them as Visitors and now they have claimed they owned the land because of their population. I know that is what you guys are planning for England as well. Soon, you will want to send the inhabitants into the sea after you've gained the ascedency, population wise. I hope you will consider it fair game if I mention Mohammed the way you refer to Apostle Paul. And by the way, Paul never killed anyone, but suffered matyrdom. In many ways, he is a better person than you-know-who.


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Whatever your option, your heart is known, now. I hope when Israeli army invades Yoruba land, when somebody is killed there, you will just be as analytical.
For the record, it is your Arab and Muslim brothers that are committing attrocities in Africa now. And for the record, it is Isreal who has being their brother's keepers by taking in refugess from Darfur and giving them full Isreali citizenship. What have your Arba brothers done other than take Africans as slaves?


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Someday, the Kalifah office will be reinstated.
This is what we have tried to let people like RichyBlack, Afam and Tornadoz see all along. They have failed to see this Middle East conflict for what it really is. Here is Olabowale practically giving it away on the www. This is nothing short of a drive by the Muslim world to establish a world-wide Kalifah. But of course, they are too politically-correct to see the glaring truth.

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And no soul shall die before it is appointed time and place. The might of Israeli army is no match for the Will of Allah.
So why blame Isreal? If they have killed the people (in self defence by the way) in line with Allah's appointed time and place, shouldn't you cry to that same Allah to question his/her judgment?


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So too will Allah defeat Israel through the hands of Palestinian. He will raise a correct leader and people who are of great faith in Him. And in time, the present day great army will be brought to ruin. llah is capable of doing all things.
I know this has been not only your dream, but that of Mohammed. That anti-semitic spirit, which is equivalent to the Anti-Christ spirit has being evident since the day of Mordecai. And just as Mohammed who died in the hands of a Jewess, and Haman who hung on the gallows he built to hang the Jews, Hamas and others who wish to annihilate the Jews will meet their waterloo. Let me share the Word of the Lord with you: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. One thing I have learnt is that anyone who attempts to break the Word of the Lord will himslef be broken. You guys can keep trying, and you will keep failing.

Isreal has being judged, and the only reason why they are back in that land is for the other nations to be judged. That is why God brought back those nations like Iran and Russia. they will eventually match against Isreal and meet their waterloo. The days are coming.


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The battle of the trenches and Victory of Makka. And Later the Muslims used only "Chewing Stick", in the sunnah of the Prophet to defeat the enemy.
So why not tell Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Syria and co to drop their weapons and pick up chewing sticks against Isreal? Hypocrites.

Is there any reason to respond to this guy who does notknow that the group that marched in on the landwhike meeting the other group as majority dwellers, already is the Jews, from their European forests and ghettoes? There are organization of European people, America people, even africans, etc. People of the same familiar storylines are forming alliances and organizations. I wonder why this guy can think that muslims have the same rights to institute a system that their religious belief calls for, as a mens of proper dynamizm between themselves?

And a lawyer friend of mine was talking to me about some documentary about human trafficking this morning. The two major societies that are on top as numbers 1 and 2 are Zionist Israel and Wahabi Saudi Arabia. They do this for illegal sexual and new age/oppression purposes. I am not surprised therefore that Israel finds itself a windfall, in the darfur refugees!

Kindness should be shown to those near first, before the people so far away. If Israel was genuine in her "kindness" the Palestinians were to have been the first to receive it. First by giving them enough land, a 50/50 split and not a strip where people are on top of each other, thereby the fuse of tension is always lite. Why divide a people into far away segments with you between them?

Interestingly, we know what a house niggar is! The Jews are getting their own house gentiles which happen to be too happy with the kindness of the massa! Think man. Think.

@*Osisi*; « #163 on: Yesterday at 04:39:32 AM »

The question is who awo was.
Awo in Igbo is toad.
His Royal Tribalist is dead and gone
He belongs exactly where the likes of Abacha,Hitler and Saddam Hussein belong.
end of story

And Ariel Sharon, and co, do, too.
Benjamin "slimy mouth" nateyanhu and group are in this evil company, except that they are not comatose or dead, yet. But in time, they will grow old, and helpless and die off. And they will be toads, and their royal tribalist will be dead and gone, and join their evil comrades, like Pharaoh who perished in the sea! They belong in the same evil group.

@Dayokanu: « #2 on: Today at 08:10:33 AM »  

@birdman,
What difference does it make if its a state actor or a terror group. The matter remains Israel is being attacked.
That they don't have a defined borders means they can launch rockets at a state?

I don't understand

If it is possible to specify where the American tax Dollar is spent, individuals like me would have specified that none of my hard earned money paid as taxes should be given to Israel! There will be many Christians in the "individuals." Let Isral raise her own monies through whatever means. Let the palestinians do the same. Let them fight each other, without anyone helping any of the two. And after a while, the world would see the remnant that will remain.

Allah says in His Book "And let them wish for death, if they are truthful."

Is there a right of one people to refuse the other of self determination? To have their own state as a people?