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I dare say th, since you live in America, and by the way you are a forigner; your Christianity is a 419 tool.

Afterall, the Igbos are authentic Nigerian citizens. They have many generations of History in the land of Nigeria. Just live every tribe. Now tell me, Ms. (419 Christian ploy), can you say the same about your own history in America? Your citizenship could be revoked. The Igbo can never be denied their Nigerianness.

Stop putting my Muslim people down! And my Zainab has no reason to be Muslim except it is my the Mercy of Allah.

You and your 419 excuses. You got be cranked up. lol.

Most of the women are stronger than you. Your dominatrix is a sign of weakness. When you meet strong man, muslim, you will know that you are just butter.

My wife is strong and lead a contigent of men. 6ft tall. Yet she knows that she is a woman. No Muslim woman is trying to front and behave like a man. LOL.

None of the women in Islam will think of your statement. They already know you. They are settled in belief.

Disclaimer: I am after you, okay. I dont need your drama. However when a muslim blows wind, except it is a wet wind, you dont have to wash off anything, because there is nothing to wash off.

However you just make a fresh ablution in order to make Salah.

Abdulah is a very common name. david, you should have read the piece, before posting your commentary. Bad habit. Abdallah in this case is the great grandfather of the presiden King of Jordan. He was not a Makkan. Hashimite is like Omo Obanta. You dont have to be living in Ijebu Ode. Afterall you and I are Omo Obanta. Neither is residing in Ijebu Ode.

Abi Ijebu Ode lowa ni?

This is a good read. The article was written in 1947 by the King of Jordan. This King is the grandfather of the current King of Jordan. They all claim to be Hashimites; the direct bloodline or descendants of the holy Prophet (AS). Imagine the foresight of this man who died in 1951, way back then in 1947.

All that he wrote about then is what is happening now.

King Abdullah discusses the issue of Palestine and the Palestinians/Israelis

subject: King Abdullah



http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html

I hope you have heard about the Selma, Alabama bus boycott? That was the biggest event of the American Civil Right Struggle. Who would have known? Today the change is at least effctive to some extend since Obama, Hussaine Barakallah is the President Elect.

And Islam is replacing the Yoruba "Kafirun" with Igbo "Muminu."

@**Osisi: « #6 on: January 14, 2009, 05:55 AM »

Some Muslims in Western Nigeria shout glory!,attend crusades,go to churches and to mosques
They quote Bible passages like no man's business and ask for prayers when in trouble
Yes there are Islamobaptists and Chrislams
Perhaps inquisitive minds
Maybe they are the ones trooping to Christ at the end of the day.

See what I mean? You can't serve The God and gods. Allah (The God) says in Hadith Kursi that where He is, Shaitan (gods in this case) can not be there. These Western Nigerian "glory shouting, church going, bible passage quoting, christian prayer asking, etc," muslims are not muslims. Unfortunately, they are my people; humans like me. I agonize for them, not because of their tribal alignment with me, but because they are humans. I agonize just th same way about you or anyone. But hey, Hell is a taker of all comers. Paradise is very selective. The main ingredient for Paradise is Allah's Mercy. But His Mercy will not come to disbelievers. The believers will have to come to Him for Mercy. They have to shed off the garment of disbelief.

Let them keep hearing the word.
The word works
My good friend in the midwest (USA) was once like that,today she's a Christian and married to one and her whole family members including her dad are now Christians

Most of the people of Hell are well known by their disbelief. Some of the people of Hell may not be known because of their hypocrasy. But Allah knows the knowns and the unknowns. And by the way, some of my friends from Wastern Nigeria are muslims; Alhaji Okeke for example. Muhammad in New York City, is another. And my better half is another. So let the disbelievers among the Yorubas and the Hausas, etc go. We will seek the best of hearts among the Eastern Niigerians to replace them. Those who know that the inheritance of Paradise is not by hanging on a man dead on the cross, or robbing your body with some blood. You dont have to sing all day long to receive the Mercy of allah. All you have to do is obey Him and seek His Forgiveness, in hope and belief.

I wonder if these yoruba people, quote Psalm or New Testament, when they seek these prayers? Its ironic that the one who the Psalm is revealed to is labelled as an adulterer and murderer by the Christians. Was King Prophet David a New Testament person or Christian? Is the revelation of Jesus not enough?

**Osisi, am asking you because I want to know if Jesus is not enough for you. Afterall, the laws, and the prophets are both nailed to the cross. Lol. Na wa.

Bindex sound rebellious. He has become an angry man. Now, this will proof to the non-muslim's southern people that Islam is not an exclusive property of the Northern people. Infact, you have many among them whose bloodline is Christianity and never purified by Islam.

Bindex, I have not known any joke in Islam as a religion. Please tell me which part of Islam is a joke? My knowledge of Islam is little, but my root in it, is very deep. I can handle a person like you with my eyes closed. I think you are angry because of a tribal sentiment masked ignorantly by your murderous friends with Islam. Tell me where Islam played any part in that ignorance. I wanna know where Islam is a joke?

I am not surprised anyhow. There are arabs who take harder stand than yours. Often they are ignorant about Islam. They are the ones who didn't pray and all they did was paying attention to "today, the immediate illusion of this world." I have news for you, man, look up, there are the heavens in layers on to of each other. The closest on top of the earth, enveloping it. And so each even above enveloping the one under it, and what it enveloped. Do you see any pillar in keping the heavens from falling? And is there an apparent thread that suspended the earth in its hanging position, which allows everyone on it to have equal advantage?

All of these are easy for Allah. Unfortunately, when you ventured out of Nigeria, you went to a society that does not believe in the existence of God. I know better, even in the "crazy and harsh dog day afternoon society called America."

If Muhammad (AS) did it, and never at anytime stopped doing it, or discourages anyone from doing it, its is okay to do it.
Muhammad (AS) is the best example. I will copy him. I seek the blessing in copying him.

The beauty of a masculine element are in its strength, Power, decisiveness, firmness, irresistability as in being needed, etc.

The beautity of a feminine element are in its prettiness to the eye, mercifulness, nourshingness, elegance of perfection, etc.

In both cases of Masculinity and feminity, as appropriate, in sentence structure, you will find Allah describing Himself, in the best of grandeur and perfection. In irresistibility for example, we see the masculine usage as in Qahar. Th phrase "Wahidun Qahar" comes to mind. This eliminate any irresistability that may exist, for example between lovers or children needing parents, in specific situation. But in the case of Allah, everyone and all time is in need of Him, knowingly or unknowingly! Have we found anyone that can eliminate himself or herself from the things belonging to Allah?

As in the case of mercifulness, we need to look at the words, Rahman and or Rahim. In both cases Allah Mercifulness is wholesale; covering in totality the person receiving the mercy, while he or she knows that no effort has brough such a benefit, except from th Ultimate Generousity of Allah, alone. Who shows mercy for the most part between father and mother? It is always the woman. But Allah's Mercy is tremedously and exceedingly more that what Mom can give. The Mercy from Allah could be expressed in the feminine, as in Rahima. Then you see the part of Qur'aan reading "Wa kanallahu Allah kuli shein Rahima.

Morpheus24, until just the last 4 or so years, my lovely mother was a Christian. She raised me. Today at least 2 of the women that make my heart skip a beat are not Yorubas. I guess the black, and ewedu eating things dont matter. lol.

Allah knows that I have no need for you. I also know that, too. Now marry jarus. That is better for you. I almost thought you will say this, since I encouraged you to marry.

@Morpheus24: What was point again, apart from; "Black, ewudu eating yoruba Muslim woman?"

@Olaadegbu: « #546 on: Today at 02:41:38 PM »

from:pilgrim.1 on: September 12, 2008, 11:12 AM

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Quote from: littleb on September 12, 2008, 03:12 AM

Let me rubbish the writing of the pundit for the fun of it, for the pleasure of Allah. Even though I like Pilgrim.1, but I will abuse her writing for The One and Only Deity; Allah.

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Next, Provide "Allah" analysis in arabic with plurality and gender plus their translation in english, Hebrew, greek and Aramaic. In arabic bible, there is no God translation other than Allah.

You know why Allah is the only word in Arabic language and their many holy books, based on their many religions; Judaism, Christianity and Islam, for God the Creator? It is because they know even before any of these religions, like any society and culture, there is that heartfelt believe that There is One Creator. Note that in all the idolworshipping of the Makkans and the greater Arabic people, there was none named Allah. They knew better. Just like the Onishongos of Yorubaland, Olodumare was, is never made into a doll, though they have Shango doll.

You're becoming a bit irrational as it does not appear that you have any substance to your overwheening pride. But I'll oblige you once again if you care.

As much as I like you, you are the one who is being overtly irrational, and deceitful, if not intentional, but definitely ignorantly.

The first thing to understand is that the translators of the Bible into Arabic (as far as I know) did not accurately represent the Biblical texts. Take, for instance, such passages as cited above where Moses and Isaiah were given the revelation of God as Father - what do those verses say in Arabic, my dear littleb?

You killed your own argument, because of the single phrase, "as far as I know", above that you made. It shows that your knowledge about what you are going to say after, is at best dicey. Its not absolute as 100%. is there any reason to read even further than this? But I will oblige you, anyway.

Second, Christians who know that such translations in Arabic are inaccurate have calmly rejected the compromise and that is why they refer to God in Arabic as "Allāh al-Āb (الله الآب) - God the Father" (see, for example, John 6:27, Philp 2:11, 2 Peter 1:17 and Jude 1).

The best form of Arabic language or dialect is what we call fusat Arabic. This language or dialect type is the purest of all arabic. And it was what Qur'aan was revealed in. It is Qur'aan that brought that language type to Arabia. The Bible is written using this type language culled from Qur'aan. How then is it possible that anyone from Christianity would know Arabic language than what is in Qur'aan? Impossible.

Third, the word "Allāh" is not a proper name for God, and it was well known by the Arab pagans before Muhammad founded Islam.

Allah is the proper name of God. It is very specific in identity. It is not meant for any god, or gods except The God Who is the Lord of Kaaba, yet not identified among the gods that housed in that holy placed, in preIslamic of Muhammmad era. This name stands alone for The God, before Islam and there is no need to change it, since thats what Allah called Himself to Muhammad. Just the same way that Olodumare is The God's name in Yorubaland. Olodumare is different from shango for example. Yet you will hear Onishongo saying Olodumare. You are now being dishonest.

We all know that it is a contraction of two words - the Arabic article al- and ʾilāh "deity, god". Put together, it stands as al- ʾilāh ("the god".

Bad knowledge. Al is The. ila means god, or God. Make your own case. Allah is very specific. It means The God. The very God, Who has no image, representation, or your heart or knowledge can completely make Him out. He is nothing that you can imagine.

Please understand that "god" is a generic (or common) term for deity, and is not a proper name, so there's no need here to go into semantics about small "g" or capital "G" (later, if you care, I'll show you that even Muslim translators of the Quran have used "god" in reference to Allah).

So we can now say jehovah, or yahwey of holy ghost or jesus, you will cool with it? Right? I wonder i I say the god of the christian, that will not offend your sensibility? Well am sure you dont know which one of them; father, jehoveh, yahweh or jesus or ghost that I am talking about. This is not the case with Islam, since we have One indivisible God Creator Whose name is Allah. He said that Himself in the Qur'aan. Pick it up and read to learn.

However, since we know that the word stands alone as "ʾilāh" ("god", the Quran uses its several derivatives to refer to plural deities (such as "aliha" - "gods" - see for example:

It is ila that is a generic god. Ilah is very specific. Not generic.

Quran 7:138 - ""O Musa (Moses)! Make for us an ilahan (a god) as they have aliha (gods)" (Hilali-Khan)


Quran 21:43 - "Or have they aliha (gods) who can guard them from Us?. . ." (Hilali-Khan)

I could expatiate on this with further references if need be, but there are numerous such in the Quran itself where the word "god" has plurals (gods) as well.

And if only you have the knowledge or wisdom to know that every where, in the Qur'aan, that gods is used, it is a challenge in a factual statement that negates any god or gods, God or Gods in th case of the Christians which expresses father to be fully God, and at the same time ghost is a fully God and son is also a fully God! But lets read along your analysis.

Now, as to the gender, we know that the masculine form of deity is called "allah" ('the god'), while the feminine form is "allat" ('the goddess' with a final 't'). It could be written as either "al-Lāt" or "al-'Ilāhat", and the difference is simply the grammatical forms in Arabic ("ta-marbuta", more precisely, as it is the consonant used in the ordinary feminine singular ending of such arabic words).

This is pure ignorance at its fullest. Please then tell what Allahu therefore means in Allahu nuri samawati, , from Suratul Nur; The Light? Did you ever study Arabic language at all? Can you read Qur'aan in Arabic? Absolutely no, I am positioning myself to say, based on your above statement. In Surah Hasr, we see where Allah says all the Most Beautiful names belongs to Him. I will expantiate on this later.

One such reference in the Qur'an is Sura 53:19 - "Have ye thought upon *Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza" (*'Al-Lat' simply means "the goddess" in contradistinction to the masculine form 'Al-ilah' or 'allah', the god).

Here we go. Pilgrim please kindly tell us why Aziz is used for masculline, and then Azizah, is used for Feminine? Plese tell us why Alimi is used for male and Alimah is used for female? Please tell us why Latif is used for male and Latifah is used for female? You dont know, do you?

This is just a summary, but should you need to be better informed, then I could oblige you and provide classical distinction both from within the Quran, the sahih Hadiths, several Islamic texts and documents, and standard Arabic scholarship. Please don't try to tease yourself on this, because I definitely will take you up on any bluff you advance on these matters.

Your summary is the most dishonest of what I have ever read. The unfortunate thing is that you were a muslim before and the Ha that could be Tha when one is not stopping in speech should have been very familiar to you. But I gather that you knew zero in Islam while you were a muslim. No wonder you were easily seduced with a single argument that was very satanic. I know that an aborisha could have taken you away from Islam, if his statement of healing had been what worked on the young person who was sick.

The point so far is not to ridicule you or Islam. . . not at all. My style is often to provide evidence for what I state as clearly as daylight so that no one is left in doubts. I don't make statements I cannot defend, that is why I don't plagiarize materials or make defenseless statements/claims. For this reason again, I often appeal to my Muslim friends to hold their peace and enjoy their muslim section instead of coming here to be the brigaders of such fallacious claims as they often assert.

Your evidence is wishy washy at best. the muslims know better. Read Surah many Surahs in the Qur'aan, there is no place that you see Allat or anything of its u, a, i to mean Islamic The God; Allah. However, you will read Allaha, Allahu, Allahi as in Lillahi, etc.

I could stop here, but if you'd like me to answer the rest of your claims with crystal clear evidence, I would oblige you.

Shalom.


This one the posts where Pilgrim.1 addressed some of these questions. I can remember that she sent olabowale running with his tail between his legs

Except that Pilgrim.1 needs Islamic education. Omo eni o le ni loo. Thats in your dream, man. Maybe I didn't read this until now. I have responded. I wish she coul stay on Semitic language instead of using Greek to splice it.

@Kola Oloye: « #531 on: January 08, 2009, 09:53 PM »

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Allah' = God
Chineke=God
Olodumare=God
Abasi=God
Eloi=God

Jesus<God
Muhammed<God

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Re: God and Allah: Are they the same?
« #533 on: January 12, 2009, 04:47 PM »

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Quote from: ok.gerald on January 08, 2009, 09:53 PM
Allah' = God
Chineke=God
Olodumare=God
Abasi=God
Eloi=God

WELL SPOKEN
There is only one God,the creator of the heaven and the earth. Some people even call him OLU_ORUN (Olorun).

Ogbeni Kola, you quoted Ok.gerald, but didnt quoted him fully. You left out the enbolden. Any reason for it? I guess his truth kindds burns, deeply. If they call Him Olu Orun (OLorun), is this not what the Aborishas also call Him? Is this name of Him only said by the Christians of Yorubaland, and the Muslims or the Onishongos don't have the right to say it? Or is it only by the Muslims and the Christians and Oloyas have not right to call Him by that name?

@Olaadegbu:

Now, as to the gender, we know that the masculine form of deity is called "allah" ('the god'), while the feminine form is "allat" ('the goddess' with a final 't'). It could be written as either "al-Lāt" or "al-'Ilāhat", and the difference is simply the grammatical forms in Arabic ("ta-marbuta", more precisely, as it is the consonant used in the ordinary feminine singular ending of such arabic words). One such reference in the Qur'an is Sura 53:19 - "Have ye thought upon *Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza" (*'Al-Lat' simply means "the goddess" in contradistinction to the masculine form 'Al-ilah' or 'allah', the god).

No one with any good intelligence writes Allah starting with a small letter. At least no believer will . I will not even write my own name starting with a lower case letter. Can that be done for my Creator, if I will not do it for my own name? As stated before; Pilgrim is a magician. allat is not the feminine form of Allah. The lat part is derived from Latif, which is a helping deity. Since they have a god for every function; eg travelling, sowing, fertility, etc. al uzza is another. Uzza is from Aziz.

I wonder where Pilgrim had her Islamic education? No wonder she left islam very unceremoniously. A mind like hers cant hide from Allah. Olaadegbu, if you rely on her thesis for your salvation, you have failed so terribly.

Funny enough, she ends up her dissertation with "Shalom." This is a Jewish word. I only wish she can explain the Bible using Jewish words for holy ghost, Jesus and Christ and trinity, and father, and crucifixion and others, without running to the helenistic language! Was the Bible revealed in helenistic language?

@Olaadegbu: « #544 on: Yesterday at 07:33:03 PM »  

If in Arabic ilah = god

and al = the

Therefore, allah = the god

In arabic, ila, meaning god worshipped by a person or people. A good set of examples; The Christians worship Jesus or Christ. He is an ila of the Christians. The Christians also worship the oly Ghost. This is also an ila of the Christians. The Christians also worship Father. So too, this another ila of the Christians. The people of the Catholic sect of the Christian faith, also worship Mary. This woman is also an ila of this specific sect. ~Lady~ will jump up and down about this. Dont vex. I am just making a statement. I wonder if one prays to an object, if that is not obvious worship.

ilaha is negating all worship as to a god, gods, God, or Gods. This ilaha is made up of two parts; ila and ha.

ilallah is now affirming the only ila; Allah, a proper name for the Only One from among the known and unknown, implied or unimplied (god, gods, God, or Gods) that is to be Worshipped. Only His Worship by you can benefit you. All others who you worship, as a Christian; son, ghost, father will not benefit you. If you are a Jew, Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi, Elohim, etc and of course your Dollar, Pounds, Euro, or Naira, Schekels, will not benefit you. If you are a Hindu or whatever, your ila; Buhddah, etc will not benefit you. If you are an atheist or agnostic, whatever you choose to focus on, including yourself or the world, will not benefit you.

Hence Allah is made of two parts; Al meaning The. The the here brings us to a specific ila. In this case this is the Ila that has no symbolic, idol or image representattion. And of course the other part is ilah as in Ilah giving us the known and without any doubt God, not Gods, or god or gods. This Allah says that is His name. I as a believer do not have any opinion, except to accept it. For sure among the Nairaland family, Iam the one who knows myself better. The same way that I see The God as about His Own speech of Himself.

The yorubas knew there was a Creator whom they call Olodumare, among other name. When Christianity and islam came to the yorubas, the Christians and the muslims speaking to other people within their own faith, who is yoruba may still use the same Olodumare to signify the Creator. The yorubas have not abandoned that word, Olodumare, even though they abandoned the animist worship that they used the same Olodumare word in talking about the Creator. Now Olodumare means Creator, to a muslim, without going through an idol or small olodumare as his forefathers used to do. The same thing happens to Christians, except he now installs Jesus as the small no statue olodumare. Of course the Christian knows that there is the Overall Olodumare, ahead and above Jesus, the small olodumare. lol.

What name were the Arabs calling him before Mohammed became his prohet?

The last part, above. I made fun of you there. I can't help it to show that i love you as a human. Perchance, you may reflect about Olodumare and olodumare; The God and Jesus. This reminds me of the Jewish joke about the Snaider the tailor who arrived in USA and formed a company called Lord and tailor. Initially he wanted to say God and snaider, until he was adviced to a catchier name; Lord and Tailor.

Does he have unique name as was revealed to Moses and in Christianity such as


God the Father is Yahweh

Jesus the Son is Adonai

The Holy Spirit is the third Person in the Godhead who is our Helper (Paraclete)
?

Even though the generic name for "God" in Hebrew was ELOHIM

Is Yahweh, a Semitic name or Greek name? Is Adonai a Semitic name or Greek name? Is Paraclete a Semitic name or Greek name? Is Eloim a Semitic name or Greek name? I hope you are consistent in whatever you chose; between Semite or Greek. It will be a weak process if you switch up from the chosen language to another. I wonder if Adonai and paraclete are not Greek words, while Yahweh and Elohim are not Semitic? If you cant be consistent in just soemthing this elementary and foundamental, how can we count on you on something hard and complex?

Allah is a proper name. Allah says call Me, Allah or AlRahman. All the Most Beautiful belongs to Me. Read Sural Hashr. Read Surah AlRahman. Read Surah Hadid. Read Surah Alaq. Read Surah Ala. Raed Surah Iklas. Read the whole of Qur'aan, cover to cover and discover yourself. I wo Ogbeni yi, ma ku si keferi o. I ku keferi iku esin ni o. I ku iya ni o.




@kola oloye (m): « #545 on: Today at 01:44:25 PM »  

@ Olabowale & Olaadegbu'
Eyin Ola mejeji, let there be no misconception please.
We all agreed that there is only one God,right? We only want to know the Arabic name for god.

Generic name for god of any kind or type; physical or not; ila.

In Koran we have: La ilaha ila allahu
La (lam-alif) means; NO
Ilaha (Alif, lam, Au) means: supreme god
Ila means(Alif, lam-alif): except
Allahu means the Creator (Allah)
Which means: there is no supreme god (idol,deity) except Allah

It is Qur'aan. It is Laa ila ha ilallah. It is Laam Alif, Alif Laam Haa, Alif Laam, Laam Laam Haa.
But when you write them dowm the alif are eliminated in the middle for the most part. What you have that you are calling alif may just be the accentuation.

So Kola, how many Supreme god, idol, deity are there in any religion? Lets start with Christianity; Which one is Supreme god; which one is Supreme idol; which one is Supreme deity among Father, son and ghost?

Of course you know the muslims do not have to wrestle with so many gods, idols, or deities. And we couldn't have idols or an idol anyhow. Unlike the some quarters of Christians with their cross and crucibles, and their Virgin Mary, etc. And of course the glass stain windows.

Olaadegbu, i think from this you can now draw your conclusion.
I rest my case

You can't rest your case, until you tackle the problems above. Olaadegbu, draw up your conclusion, after you handle the same assignment, as Kola. Who is the Supreme god, or idol or deity of christianity among the three; father, son and ghost? Supreme means the highest and most powerful. There should be Only One. No? Chose wisely.




@Olaadegbu:

The first thing to understand is that the translators of the Bible into Arabic (as far as I know) did not accurately represent the Biblical texts. Take, for instance, such passages as cited above where Moses and Isaiah were given the revelation of God as Father - what do those verses say in Arabic, my dear littleb?

The operative quote from Pilgrim is in the bracket (). Read it above; As far as I know. She was talking about the Bible into Arabic. The Arabs had become Christians long before Christianity got to Yoruba Nigeria. Pilgrim.1 is Yoruba. If she said as far as I know, couldnt there be a chance that she known less than 100%? At least she is honest, by providing the disclaimer.

Her further argument about some people amongst the Christian rejected whatever the translators of the Bible to Arabic first said, to the point that they added Allah al Ab, is a sign of non-uniformity in your religion. How then do you think you will know better about the Qur'aan, since the Arabic used to write the Bible is from the Arabic of the Qur'aan.


And in all her effort to play Pundit about the word Allah being not a proper name, she failed to realise that the verses she quoted from the Qur'aan did not contain the work "Allah!" And I have argued above about Olodumare was known by yoruba pagans as The God Almighty Creator, before Christianity or Islam entered Yorubaland. The pagans of today in Yorubaland still say Olodumare. So do the Christians. So do the Muslims. Do we who are no pagans with Orisha, or Obatala, or yemeja, or ogun, or Shango, or whatever in from of us now abandone the word Olodumare to mean Our Almighty Olodumare the Creator because the Onifa or Oloyaa uses the same name, before and even now? Pilgrim was being a magician. She is smart, but not that smart. Deceit will be explained an uncountable way. But truth is just a very plain matter.

@earTHMama: « #22 on: Today at 04:42:04 AM »

You are saying there muslim restrooms in walmart because am yet to see one with a hose?. If tissue paper is an accepted norm in Islam, why do some muslims protest against it?. So your igbo wife is alien to tissue paper?. Igbo women na real waah ooo.

You need to calm down. In time Allah will make way for the muslims, that Islamically compartable public toilets will be installed not only in Walmart, but KFC will serve halal meal, too. Long time ago in America, with the few masajid, you could not expect to find halal meat, as easily as you find it, now. Virginia, New Jersey are among the states with halah slaughtering certification.

Funmi, you must admit that it is more hygenic to use water after "tissue paper," rather than no water at all.




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Not your business.[/quote]When it comes to you, everything is my business. I want you to be married, to your boooooooooo, if he is the one. Or else, throw him back, and Allah will give you that man that will make you his "wife", faster than lickedy split.

Ayatul Kursi will get rid of Ogbanje and the like in one single shot. So dont worry. **Osisi, whats in a name? Frizy, Osisi; none is a real name. All made up.

@earTHMama: « #14 on: Today at 02:31:44 AM »  

There are no hoses in attached to American toilets unless you muslim girls carry your red kettle around. Do you?

Yes there is hose, with a turn on and turn off bottom in muslim toilets. I aught to know. I am a muslim in America. You are not a muslim.

« #15 on: Today at 02:33:21 AM »  
I wonder what they do to lefties

Who cares as long as you don't receive anything edible from olabowale given to you with his left hand.

We wash our hands, better than the Surgeons preparing for a major operation. You dig, **Osisi. We scrub without wearing the scrub.

Deviant/Neo-Womanist/Uber-realist/UrbanGoddess/Eco-Dominatrix/invincible

8 inches spiked shoes on the back of the Kufar men who like to be beat up by Ms Thing here. Wooooooooooow.

« #17 on: Today at 03:26:26 AM »
You don't know?. You must be alien to Islam.

Lets go back to when there was no toilet paper. What do the Alal Kitab used to clean them thingyyyyy with? lol.
Oh, boyyyyy. They probably dont clean it. The funk, will be stronger than that of my man, George Clinton, Plainfield, NJ of Parliament or Funkadelic.




@davidylan (m): « #18 on: Today at 03:38:16 AM »  

Its absurd using water to clean up . . . what of the crud that gets under your fingernails that wont go out easily? Remind me not to eat a muslim bukkah again.

Muslims do cut their fingernails so low that you almost think that they have none. So how do you get the dirt in there beats me. Allah's messenger (AS) said that if a man has water fall or river on his property and he washes at least 5 times, daily, can you compare his cleanliness with the filty person who may not wash even once in a day? Of course not.




@**osisi (f): « #19 on: Today at 03:45:43 AM »  

are you a Nigerian?
Every true Muslim in Nigeria has a colorful plastic kettle to wash their "sumtin" with every once in a while.
The bacteria on that kettle must be a legion

Not as much as the Ice box from which "Mickey Dee, or Burger King or KFC,etc" makes your drink with. You know about the study, right? You will have to give it to the muslims that at least they rival the doctors in cleanliness. lol.

maybe that's why infections in their quarters spread like wild fire.How can you touch byour anus 8 times a day and not pass on everything from tape worms to dysentry.

You were alive in the 1972 cholera outbreak? It affected everyone. The muslims were not as affected. You also heard about the Irish Potato plague. Or the Chinese bird flu. Or the mad cow thingyyyy. The muslims, if affected only, just mildly compared to others. (Yeast infection and the like. lol. Astagafrullah). And those who do not clean up, and you know who you are, are as funky as the funk that came out of them.

@Leila: You dont hve to go to mosque to observe Salah. And you dont have to go to arabic mosque in England to be in a mosque, either. Sister, you have no excuse. Instead of helping your husband to attain higher level of God consciousness, you are not even trying to go down, in your own spirituality.

Allah is the One you need. Talk to Him. Supplicate to Him. Seek His Mercy. He is Most Forgiving, Merciful to all.

@DavidDylan: « #9 on: Today at 09:31:17 PM »

Since islam did not invent tissue paper i assume you mean that islam constantly changes to circumvent potential absurdities.

Christianity did not invent it either. Before it, how were the "christians" cleaning themselves? This is a very interesting question. Now, the inventor, though may be christian, did not invent Toilet tissue because of christianity. And by the way I use water, then water and soap. Then I use water with soap to wash my hands.

How do you odor free your body, if you think you cake free it already? Sorry David and co. You make me think back, way back when.

Whats absurd in using water alone? I remember when I used to participate in fishery. We get rid of the odor by just using water to clean the platforms of the coldroom and the decks. You use tissue, but your odor-meter is very high, still. While my own after using water is very low. Almost unregistered.

Water by itself cannot kill germs if not you'd be taking a shower, brushing your teeth or washing your clothes with water only. So this idea that those who use waer are the "most clean" in the community makes me wonder whether you people leave your brains at home when its time to discuss the quran.

No one said anything about washing clothe, or cleaning teeth, or cleaning the skin. The issue was cleaning the bottom and the from after toileting. You will have to agree though, regardless of your exageration, that using water is better and cleaner than just using dry toilet tissue. Most clean means just that. Now tell me if there is any way you can get yourself cleaner without using water. Please don't tell me you can use those perfumed sterile sachet! Perfume will still not clean you up, but you may not be smelly though. But you aint clean.

Did you miss my trying to break into Fela's wataaaaaa he no get enemy?

@Texazzpete: You can't say that a Jew who migrated to Israel, from Texas, for example, regardless of his/her "peaceful" nature is not in somewhat, in a subtle way in agreement with the ruling zionists of Israel. It just does not seem possible, to just leave Texas, especially when thereis no obvious benefit in Israel over Texas. This is what is meant by the state of "Israel" as mentioned by lagosboy.

And as to the Jews and Christians being like a "dog that is astray," is a reality of the day of judgement. Allah says in Surah Fatiha that they are the Jews already inherited the wrath and the Christian are already astray; if each dies outside Islam. That covers the most generous and peaceful of jews and christians. Deinitely the Zionists are not truly peaceful nor truly generous.

@Morpheus24: « #35 on: Yesterday at 10:25:47 PM »  

And how is experiencing life as Yoruba or having more commonalities with one another any different from any Human you have come across on this planet and why would you have to explain that to me knowing that every one experiencies the same as you.

That's why you are propelled to respond to me is because in that complex brain of yours, you respond only to one stimuli, which is the sensation you get thinking you have reached nirvana and the comfort in most of your delusions of grandeur which you are compelled to share with others cause it gives your life meaning and sets you above others which unfortunately most human minds crave.

Mind you I am still answering the poster's questions. You are only concentrating on the "black, ewedu eating part".Anyone just has to look a little deeper to figure out what I am insinuating.

I have been a yoruba all my life and no matter how deeply I look, I can't figure ut what you are insinuating. Not all yorubas are black and ewedu eating. Not all yorubas are muslims. Not all muslims are yorubas. You could have help yourself in your argument or response to me or the poster, by realising that my first and at that time only wife is a yoruba like me. Except that we had different religions, which I said was the first victim of the marriage when it was collapsing. Now, my primary interest in a woman is her Islam.

Yoruba or no yoruba, black or no black, ewedu eating or no ewedu eating, and others, eat or collectively is or are secondary. I like a woman who speaks yoruba more than the one who does not. But thats beside the point.

It is clear in my mind that a marriage, like any other contract or agreement needs a greater commonality between parties. What people call mutual benefits. If people have a focal point; in the case of Islam, Allah in all that He commands, then the tearing apart of relationship will for the most part will not be harsh, hard and violent. Like it is stated; a family that prays together, stays together.

And enough about your narvana! Discuss that with hindu. I happen to be a muslim. Rather say that I am a Mumin. And my having Islam in common with my spouse is greater than the yoruba commonality with a non-muslim.

You must be bushy. I stop for a moment to wonder how you have been raised. Everything is curse word or juju. Is this the christian part of you or the Oloogun or Juju fetish part of you? I wonder if there is no homeless people in Beverly Hills; Nick Nolte and betty Midler movie about homelessness comes to mind.

Take your heart from the bush for a moment. We know you are in america. America is not in you, yet. But of course there are many bushy places in america, too. So am not surprised about your thinking. You need to see many places and many people.

May your akobi position be secured. Pele. Your one liner and ameebo responses is less that from people of Nursery School age. Ogaa o.

When a person says 'wa mu mi', it simply says that your statement is really an effective statement. We are on discussion board, but we must still be honest, in dialogue.

@earTHMama: « on: Today at 07:20:58 AM »

No offense please but:


Is it true that the Islamic doctrine forbids the use of toilet paper?. Is it a sin to use toilet paper as a muslim?. What do muslims use in the toilet then?. If no, explain why moslems use the toilet differently?

No taking. Islam is very progressive. Toilet paper is for cleaning after the use of the bathroom. The very objective of muslim is to completely clean the body. So if a muslim uses the tissue/toilet paper, it is good. But should not stop there. For complete cleaning, water should be used in addition. Like Fela said; Omi o lotaa o. Water he no get enemy.

So muslim can use dry toilet paper first and then water. If in a public bathroom, he/she should wet the toilet paper to clean after using the dry one. So mustim should be the most clean in the community. No only outside, but in private parts and inside, too.

Develop this habit, too, Funmi. By the way the Miss World woman tribe in Nigeria is said to hae the same habit, too. They pride themselves by it.

Mo sha ti so fun e pe ko wa mu mi ni Manhattan. In case you don't know, the Yorubas dont use e for agbalagba in the ta lo ron e nse, which you wrote above. Rather it is yin as in ta lo ron yin nse.

I guess your yoruba cultural respect is lost by the gain that you have made in america. As stated again, wa mu mi.

@Olaadegbu: « #538 on: Yesterday at 06:37:59 PM »

Quote from: sammyzacks on January 12, 2009, 05:21 PM
If God= Allah
then,
god= ?
Please, anyone understands Arabic here?

god; idol or not, as object of worship of anybody is ila. So Jesus is ila of the Christian. So Holy ghost is also ila of the Christian. So also, is the Father as ila of the christian. A man who woships his wife in his heart and behavior has her as his ila. A woman that does the same towards her husband has him as her ila. A business man or woman who loves money and all the trimmings of it has these as the ila. ila or god does not have to be physical image, idol, statue, etc alone.

Now Allah meaning The God, or The Object of Worship, is Unseen. Everyone, except you guys, (I am assuming that your heart does not go to something higher than yourself, immediately when you hear the word "God", or 'god in your case of multihead god christian worship'), knows that there is an Entity Higher than self, sometime, especially in time of need, stress, difficulty, etc.

Even the atheist knows that there is The God, except that the atheist tries so hard to factor The God out of things. You must have said "oh God" before. I hope that you are not referring to an idol?

Allah is a proper name of The God, The Only One that Muslims worship. He had no image in Kaaba, yet the Mushrikuun (idolators) of Arabia knew He existed. Every society knows that The God existed. Talk to Hindus in London, Olaadegbu. Ak him about The God. You will see him raising him head and turning his face to heavens. Yet his idols are all in his temple. He knows that these idols are not The God that you are talking about.

boys, the joke is on you. The Boy from Muhammad (AS) have answered your question.




@kola oloye (m): « #539 on: Today at 09:52:23 AM »

Quote from: sammyzacks on January 12, 2009, 05:21 PM
If God= Allah
then,
god= ?
Please, anyone understands Arabic here?

god- an image of a deity; an idol

kola- a word from the yorubas; a name
Kola Oloye is a proper name of a male from yoruba tribe. He is member of the Nairaland; specifically the religion section. (Baba agba, and people know that it is you and not just another Kola. Yet I have not pinpointed you hard enough with the things I know about you. Afterall how many Kola in your Oloye family?). You can now get the idea from this simple response that Allah is not an idol, or image or deity, but Deity, Object of Worship without Image or being an Idol.



@OLAADEGBU: « #540 on: Today at 10:05:56 AM »

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Quote from: kola oloye on Today at 09:52:23 AM
god- an image of a deity; an idol


What is it called in Arabic?

ila.



@kola oloye (m): « #541 on: Today at 10:07:44 AM »

let me help our muslim brothers
god should be mushrikhin because al-mushrikhina are the idol worshippers

You are describing yourself man? A yoruba man who does not know every yoruba expression will love to teach Qur'aanic Arabic. Your professor wasPilgrim.1, am sure. Ni bo lomode no tie wa gon? I wish you well, sisi.

Kola, god means ila. This is the fake gods; father, ghost, son, buddha, etc. Allah means The God. The God Who is not represented by image, statue, etc. Whatever you can structure Him to be, as in conceptualization, He Allah the almighty is not. So He is not anyone who had walked this earth tht Only He created. He is not the "old man with aged beard" in the sky. No amount of thinking can get you to capture His Essence, except that you know about Him through what He creates, that you see around you. Start with yourself, first and go out to see His wonderful Power and Majesty.



@OLAADEGBU (m): « #542 on: Today at 12:28:40 PM »

Quote from: kola oloye on Today at 10:07:44 AM
let me help our muslim brothers
god should be mushrikhin because al-mushrikhina are the idol worshippers


Is it an assumption or a fact? The weblink below has something interesting to say.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1104/1104_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/#worship

The link is created by Mutamushrik or Al Kitab; both are enemies of Allah, His Angels (Jibril, Mikail, etc), His ordained religion, His Prophets and those who are Muminu (true believers). Go to an Islamic places in London, Olaadegbu. Get good knowledge, Kola Oloye. Abeokuta is a good Muslim city. Abuja is not bad, too. Lets grow up and stop acting like deceitful children. We are to be sincere in our question and answer, and not disgenuous.

@KarmaMod: I think the youth in you is running amock. Now are you man crazy or promiscuous? Afterall, you are a yoruba woman. I spoke about a specific yoruba woman, who said she was boy crazy, while she was a muslim. Obviously, she was not actually practicing Islam then, because she would have known it was a wrong idea to be that boy crazy.

Later she left Islam for christianity where the rule about boy and girl mixing up is not as hard and defined. I wonder if she dropped the boy craziness, even now, considering that somebody ask if she was looking and her affirmed. There is nothing wrong in being whatever she wants to be. There is nothing wrong in you being what you wanna be.

Obviously, you are not for or less yoruba than me. I come from a large family of almost 40 siblings. You can imagine how many sisters from there, nieces and then cousins. From my parents' extended home there are two royalties. And in the days, unlike now, these kings have tons and tons of children. So you can imagine how many aunts and great aunts and even cousins and great cousins that I do have. Anyone who is a yoruba with the last name of Ojomo is related to me by mother's side.

Now, some of my nieces are still virgins. So for you to just open your mouth and say that I considered all Yoruba women as boy crazy and promiscuous is silly and dishonest. Will I say that all non-muslim women are terrible or all muslim women are good, such statement will be pure lie.

Kini mo tie nba iwo omode yi so? O she wa si Manhattan wa mu mi? lol. Mo raye ni mo tie nda e lowun. I dont know why I should pay attention to your baseless complaint.

Only Gold/AU.

You want us to follow you stride by stride? Naay! Islam is different. We do want what you want. Keep your christian ideas to yaaasef. All you saw was a jinn thing. We do not hope that anyone is afflicted. Definitely,not jinn.