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Obalufon:
You don't have to merge with the outsider olaochi to fight your own brother .... I'm link to giesi too paternal great grand mother and ogboru too ..very close with the sijuades

Says the guy who is willing to allow distortion of Yoruba history but then you don't even know any history to know what is a distortion of it

The two guys here making a mess of Yoruba history are not your problem, it's my lack of bias regardless of ethnicity that is your problem? Nigerians, you guys deserve your problems

Obalufon:
typical of ibo boy i sabi English "impervious"' .. you are ibo....yoruba say ibo not igbo ..You go use your flat head carry curb web soon continue.....i read all your useless post on nairaland insulting the yorubas

You are clearly a dunce its good you know that
Yoruba say "ibo" when speaking Yoruba, Yoruba say "igbo" when speaking English, but a dunce thinks this means I'm igbo

Show me one post where I insulted yorubas. You won't because I don't insult ethnicities, I promote peace and common sense
While you bigots go around with hate speech against Edo and Igbo thinking that is what proves your Yorubaness, I don't attack Nations, I'm too exposed and far too cultured for that nonsense childish behavior
Maybe that's what makes you think I'm igbo
As if a Yoruba person is incapable of reason and common sense

Obalufon:
Don't let me hex you .. olaochi wetin be your name ..what is your business with yoruba issue

Are you freaking retarded or what?
How can someone be this impervious to learning?
For the last time, I am not igbo

0balufonlll:
Firstly, you keep typing Yoruba with nonsense diacritic yet you want to claim knowledge of Hebrew, a foreign language.. And that nonsensical oriki you posted is an outright lie, go & take several seats.

Honestly, I do not think you hold a right state of mind. You seem not to keep a traack of your own statemets and have a problem grasping stated points.

- You claimed your Luusi was related to Giesi, I busted your lie.

- You tried to hold me in a loop by asking me to mention Oduduwa’s ancestry, I in turn asked you to mention Luusi’s ancestry.

- You quickly claimed Luusi was Lafogido’s child. I fxxked you up by letting you know I am thick with Lafogido’s people. You quickly backtracked & refused to mention Luusi’s parents.

You are the clown. You have now shifted your Luusi to Oranmiyan from Lafogido & Giesi. You crack me up man. Abeg post the oriki, humour me.

Alaimokan, you better stop dragging your ancestry in the mud with your ignorance.

I've told you before that these two guys are frauds. Since book did not sell, maybe online coaching is what they think will make money for them

absoluteSuccess:
Ok, I can see you don't have enough intellectual strength to break up the post to fit your polemics.

@ the bolded, just wait and see. I'll remind you when the time comes so you can cry me a river that your hope has failed.

Can metaphysical and babaRamota1980 change you from the fail being that you are?

You must keep being yourself in whichever handle you choose.

to break up what post? You expect me to be addressing every insult you had in that unnecessary long post? Your stupidity is grand

Look at who is calling someone failed, Lmao Mr. Go and do something with your life. Where I have reached in life you can never see

Ubenedictus:
F

First I am a Catholic not a redeem member so I perspective is from my background.


In my church a man who hid his HIV status and dubiously contracted marriage will be rightly divorced in a civil court and the church will follow it up immediately by granting an annulment, the marriage will be declared null and viod and of no effect from the beginning and the woman will be free to contract marriage with someone else with the blessing of the church.


If you have a deal breaker before marriage and you hid it from your spouse, deceiving her, and then dubiously going for wedding with her, according to Catholic theology that marriage is not valid, it is based on deception and lies. It is not recognized even before God talk less of before men.

A man/woman who has HIV, kids from a previous marriage, impotency in men, a woman who had her womb removed or other such deal breakers, anybody that has them should speak up before the wedding.


If your man is coming for you because he is under the false impression that you are a virgin or has conditioned your marriage on something you don't possess, kindly confess.

Makes sense.

Obalufon:
Mr bantoid .. we are not bantu..okay .. stick that to your hairy bantu arse

if you still think I ever said Yoruba are bantu you need to go back to primary 3
Your intelligence level is too bad

Olu317:
Haaa my friend, don't blame me because your opinion tilted toward such perspective. After all, you condemn my post where I posted some research work which part of the research was released in 2017.

And you once posited that some people opined being related to Bantu was seen as wrong .Let's be honest bro with each other. You categorically claimed only Hausa is Afroasia and unified the rest group into one West Africa's same ancestry. So kindly ponder seriously over your view before you post online because it might boomerang .

SMH. *face-palm
How can somebody lack sense like this

West Africans are related to Bantu, how does that mean West Africans ARE Bantu
"related" "are the same" two different things. Gosh! Someone has to spell it out for you, and I'm sure you still don't comprehend. Smh

MayorofLagos:
Where was their common origin?

it is clear that you Hebrew wannabes lack intelligence and comprehension. You don't know what bantu is, you don't know what language classification is, and you don't know what common origin means
A pity that you are just embarrassing Yoruba people in general as all of you usually act as foremost Yoruba ambassadors on this forum
Maybe before picking up that persona you should have learned Yoruba history

But to answer your question

.The Yoruba group is assumed to have developed out of undifferentiated Volta–Niger populations along the Niger Benue confluence by the 1st millennium BC. Settlements of early Yoruba speakers are assumed to correspond to those found in the wider Niger area from about the 4th century BC, especially at Ife

buJu234:
This is why I dey fear US.

Still prefer Canada.

US has never been a safe country

Who killed him exactly?

Obalufon:
you are not yoruba with all the negative stuff you post online about yoruba on ""Why Do Yorubas Keep Attacking Igbos For Mass Migration Into South West? thread you created to rubbish yoruba the deity of our land will chop your eyes deep in your retarded brain ...I know nothing even Socrates says he knows he knows nothing Likes Orunmila....If you want to learn you have to detach yourself from all you've known .

I am more Yoruba than you. deal with it!

Obalufon:
we are not cannibals please .. ibo is different from yoruba ..genetically and anthropologically you people are different from us . ibos skin texture is different from yorubas skin ...our genetics aging attrition is different from ibos ..you are forest breed... no clothing culture.. look more to Cameroon that is where your people are please..ibo boy why are you trying to force yourself on us ..we are different get that straight into your thick skull

I'm more Yoruba than you so don't trip. You that don't know your family history, asking olu of all people to teach you your family history

Obalufon:
unlearned wow that's interesting .. gloat and pride yourself in your ignorance . you must think all yorubas are unlearned ? what are you insinuating ..

Every learned person knows that Yoruba and Igbo share a common origin
Accusing anybody who knows this fact to be igbo or mixed with igbo means you are insinuating yorubas are incapable of learning, you might have a learning disorder but not all yorubas reject facts

Olu317:
Mr. RedboneSmith

It seems you don't read through what I posted or you think I framed it from the thin air? Go read, you will refuse. Learn from the open minded who have exclusive information on west Africa multicultural ethnicity but you will still ignore? No wonder you claimed ,‘Songhai ', as an ethnicity.


It is only the ignorant and unstudied will see your post and acknowledge it because no one ever said Bantu has a negative undertone as an ethnicity. But reality and correct historical information is what we,‘ the realist ' and not, ‘the 'idealist' as you and your like mind . I have said it several times, that a simple field interview will help you out on this your claim.


Kindly visit any yoruba enclave and ask for their lineage and see the incoherent statement with the reality. Yoruba Ancestors were never Bantu because Genetic studies did not support it. Funny enough, nearly all West Africa blood sample have been studied to know the probable DNA link groups. Yoruba did not develop from Central Nigeria but if you insist, then it is the right time for you to teach us, where ILEIFE started from, ‘NOK' culture.


Do you know Keloid as a disease had been eternal within Yoruba tradition?Infact, it was seen as the handiwork of the devil. Can this be said in your IBO or Bantu tradition? Do you know the scientific postulation by western researchers about human being evolution from ape kind of phase development to a standard humanoid has a myth-Legend in Yoruba tradition? Plainly, there is a group in West Africa that Yoruba legend claimed, that this people's ancestors developed from ape lineage to become human .Is this not enough for you to see yoruba were advance in science?


Below was a research that was released in 2017 ,so what is your point Mr. ?

Most recently a very fascinating and relevant study came out in 2017. Basing itself on the ancient DNA remains (genome wide) of 16 Africans it stated that:

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“ the spread of farmers from western Africa involved
complete replacement of local hunter-gatherers in some regions “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)
But also that:

“ present-day western Africans harbor ancestry from a basal African lineage that
contributed more to the Mende than it did to the Yoruba “. (Skoglund et al., 2017)


The above statement said even the Mende people that was found to be unique in West Africa had an older basal African ancestry lineage that contributed more to Mended than Yoruba people. Does this look like Yoruba developed from Bantu?

Kindly shun this idea of yours.

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You are not intelligent at all

Obalufon:
bantu or pygmies you can restrict that to your own people ..i guess you are product of cross breed between the bantu and the pygmies

LMAO this guy really thinks anyone who KNOWS yoruba and Igbo share a common origin must be an igbo person, you must think all yorubas are unlearned

Obalufon:
ibos are jews

I thought you said yorubas are jews before

Obalufon:
...igbo split with pygmies 3000yrs.. laughing i 've given you a close match something to ponder about the bantu pygmies of congo.. so stay off the Yoruba

attached is pictures of ibo women .comparing this people to us is so degrading ..we are different from you ..study your history please

as expected you have no proof, what's it with nairaland and bogus claims? this forum is filled with potential comedians only sad thing is you all are actually serious about what you say


I should stay off Yoruba? Come and take me off. Lmao so it is comparing Yoruba to Hebrews that is uplifting? . People will just say Yoruba have no history and need to attach to others for relevance, that is more degrading

Btw I'm not igbo, you seem obsessed with igbos
And instead of telling me to study history, you should take your own advice, you obviously don't know the first thing about your own family history talk less of Yoruba history in general

PS. Pygmies aren't even Bantu

Obalufon:
You are a marauder Damn 3000yrs ago ibo slit with the pygmies Bantu scientifically proven not yoruba ..i will show you 5000yrs relics in Ife

Whats with the name calling all of you are into I'm a marauder now? Do you even know what marauder means?

Igbo split with Pygmies 3000yrs ago is scientifically proven?
5000 yrs relics in Ife?
Do show me

absoluteSuccess:
Your point here proofs that you went to school to actualize your ego and not to be educated. You are here, you have the education but unable to solve the simplest problem like an educated problem: hence you failed to quote the works of scholars you may be referring to in high esteem if any, but alas, wikipedia hold your proof of Yoruba history and tradition, an unknown authority for such an erudite.

Now your education has failed. You have the ego but the problem persists, it means you are an egocentric, problematic person who missed the opportunity that education offers for this kind of educated problems for 'tantrum answers' because you failed at 'educated answers'. Practice what you preach sir, show the proof of your education and refinement by your enlightening contributions.



Did you know of Occam's razor? you don't need to invent new, weir theory when a simple, common sense answer already exist. You don't need to go for a degree course to make sense of your cultural tradition before you understand its historical implication. It is the simplest, common sense answers that has the truth, not the endless search that you boast of but can never present.

You are definitely sick, why don't you entertain the next word to that iberu? What you have in that context is 'Ojo-beru' but the 'iberu' meaning 'hebrew' is a collateral damage to you. You are a fault finder per excellent. Why not dwell on Ojo and teach people what they never know, dark soul. You will always miss the opportunity to be relevant in life trying hard to pull people down and make up grave allegations against them because they do not share your sentiments.

I will still teach you what you never know in that 'transliteration'. Remind me how the phrase 'Iberu-b'ojo' (iberu begot Ojo) became a metaphor in Yoruba and I will teach you. You are not a man of any revelation, how would you grasp the enigmatic aspect of Yoruba history? That's the key to understanding Yoruba 'ambiguity at metaphorical level'. When I say a man 'has been called to the bar', it (the bar) might mean 'Madam Basira Oguro Bar', it is me that hold the understanding of the bar I'm referring to, not you, "a'i siwaju eleede p'eede". But quickly you ran to macof the beast's post to copy grammar. Must one break figures of speech to morphemes and syllables too?



How has the school helped your personal development? It can never be said that you have answers upon all you have studied so far, for countless knowledge are still behind the confines of the four walls of the classroom. Learning was never absolutely subjected to the faculty of social sciences alone, you can pioneer new studies and carve a niche in a new field of interest with basic education, so don't bring your limitations to me. I am not the same as you.


Share them if you are not blind to them.



This is all the problem you have and I believe you are the one who must check your phobia.



Well, paradigm-shift is a word in popular demand. Only a fool says he has engaged his time with an unemployed, untrained fellow. Only a fool of the first order makes language classification 'the Roseta Stone' that nail his ancestor's thousand years of history as a classification of 'Volta-Niger language under the larger Niger - Congo' group of languages. All 'Wuruwuru to the answer' professionals.



You know my failure has become proverbial on nairaland, but at least you know I'm learning by failing. You fail when you are learning in life and it offers you an opportunity to begin afresh more intelligently. Have you ever failed at anything in life?



Let school go through you too.



Thanks, but you are none of the above: neither a fraud nor an expert. You are a fraud chaser and expert praiser. You can never be any of the two, meanwhile whom you claim to be fraud has already started building his career in that field with baby steps.



Bringing others to your weak subjection is all you do best as an inventor. Please don’t work hard to twist peoples point for cheap gains; it exposes you as a fool struggling to blackmail others to escape your need for telling your side of the story.

All you needed to do to throw me and Prof. Olu out of balance is to simply take the same cognate and give us the Japanese word that rhymes with the Hebrew/Yoruba words, so we have a Hebrew/Yoruba/Japanese words, all three meaning the same thing and sounding similar and then there would be a confusion of which one to take serious or to believe as the origin out of the three.

Until then, your cleverness remains what it is, foolishness. It will never become wisdom around here.

Let me help you sir

Let’s say you want to proof that A+A is not equal to 2A but A2, But instead you were saying if A+A equals to 2A (to me and Olu), then A+B is equal to nothing to you. You have simply introduced new denomination of an evidence to butress your point, but you don’t know how to harness it, because you can’t think without some fixed, ready-made terms and answers.

a+a = 2a, falsify or prove the equation wrong within the confines of the argument itself, or introduce a new factor, a+a(a+c)=0. Then proof your point in that context, instead of going out of range that if a+a=2a, then a+x=0=axa.

Key: a+a Yoruba-hebrew words; a+c, Yoruba-Japanese words.




If you have the sense of perception of your people's praise and glory, you will be promoting and defending it, but you can't because you do not have the faculty to exermine the praise and glory of your people beside witch-hunting people who do. May your curses go back to you.

Another senseless long post full of nothing but insults and personal attacks rather than deal with proving your own claims

If I reply this post with the words you deserve, metaphysical and BabaRamota1980 will say I insulted someone

Online forum is where you can say what you like, in the big real world you cannot, so enjoy it, that's all you have

MetaPhysical:
From bottom up, question and answer is normal, debating points is normal, disputing a theory to get clarification is normal in the exercise to uncover what remains hidden. What is not normal is pushing a thought or even methodology as the only acceptable means by which hidden history can be uncovered, and when such assertion is opposed you guys resort to labels and antagonism. This is unacceptable.

Should Oyo Aremo commission a historian to come and tell him about the history of his land, or is the arokin sufficient to narrate the lores and deeds of his ancestors and their land to him? You guys almost at the point of ruling that no Yoruba can inquire about his ancestry without first consulting an historian. Ridiculous!

Katsumoto and Terra did not initiate these discussions on origin. They joined the discussion. My point is, where are the historians and linguists all along, how come you never take initiatives to open inquisition but you act as spoilers to the quest made by those you call non-professionals.

Even as we speak we cannot point to one thread any of you opened to act as the lighthouse to navigate us safely through the course to Yoruba roots. Thats a disservice to Yoruba.

The placement of Yoruba as an indigeneous is as unrooted as its placement as a migrant. Neither is IleIfe as the ancestral home more acceptable than Nineveh. You will have to give us air-tight scientific proof (excluding oral history) that shows Ile Ife is the first landing for mankind anywhere on the globe. While you are at it produce the genealogy of Obatala upward to the first being of creation. As linguists you all ought to know that language is dynamic and through attrition and territorial conflicts shifts in human population result in language displacements. There is no place of ancient origin today that speaks the original language it birthed with. IleIfe cannot be an exception. So what was the founding language in Ife on the day it was created? What was the society like, how did they worship?

A lot of questions...most of the answers to them accessible through oral examination.

The solution to the problem is simple

Just as macof and 0balufonIII have said, provide your methodology and test it with other samples

Like I already showed, the word match up some have done here in attempt to link Yoruba to Hebrew can be done with any two different people. I did same with Yoruba - Japanese and Yoruba - English. So what exactly is the system you use that wouldn't backfire?
That is the reason some say Egypt, some say Hebrew and some like you say Arab, some even mention a mix of different people as the original yorubas

If some yorubas look at China. They will find Yoruba connection, same for Aztec, same for Indians

All due to a belief that you can be an expert with a lack of proper training

absoluteSuccess:
You are the only one posting 'rubbish' on this thread.

You do not have anything worthwhile to offer other than this,

'cause your consciousness dwell more on the words you use.

Do you have any other stupid theory and fantastic-fiction to post?

this just cracked me up

It is better to respect yourself and respect yoruba ancestors by shutting up and learning what you don't know in Yoruba history than trying to create a fake persona of being an authority, what you cannot defend

Olu317:
A juicy platform? Lmao! I don't need such because, I am not on a battle field nor intellectual contest with you. It is far from it. In as much,that I have stake in Yoruba land as you do,then ,I can share my resaerch work as I have doing and with screenshots. Afterall,I was not the person who did the work but was taught by my Ancient Hebrew Rabbi. So, it not a ‘quack' theory

Again, you asked me to provide source of my information, which I have done. In fact, I went further to mention names and google search engine to read through some information because information on Yoruba liters the Internet but same cannot be said of the ancient Hebrews.Getting extensive information on ancient Hebrew mean you have to pay through your nose before you can benefit from the wealth of experience from the researchers.

Cheers

There is nobody who goes in reading your posts that come out better, you don't give sources or explain in details
Those are very valid questions and your inability to answer them shows that you don't know what you're talking about but you act like one yoruba professor

I've said it before that you're a fraud

Obalufon:
borrowed words from the igalas. ..you should add egusi and garri too please... we are not ibos . who dash ibos owu cotton.. oka for corn . liars .. maize is not up to 3 hundred years .. guinea corn is grown in the savanna region, where were the leafs , what do they want to do with guinea corn ....Ufufu (Igbo) - Ifofo (Yoruba) - Foam great connection .. ibos are bantu their lineage can be traced back to south Africa region

. Who said Yoruba are igbos?

Jeez, you Hebrew wannabes lack common sense

Yoruba and Igbo split 3000 years ago doesn't mean Yoruba are igbos, it means they have a common origin

Igbos are not Bantu, Bantu people speak a Bantu language and Igbo speak a Volta-Niger language

0balufonlll:
Macof

Bro, have you looked up the name dropped & if the person actually wrote what was summarised here.

Directly speaking have you looked to see if any linguist or anthropologist Einar Eugene existed or if it was Einar Haugen?

Have you also looked if Einar Haugen dealt with cognates or better still would you consider requesting the source of Mr Olu’s text here:



Also, Messrs Macof & Olaochi, from my short readings on languages it appears the rule for cognates is that words being compared must be within the same language classification. And not outside of it .

This is so true, cognate cannot exist between Yoruba and Hebrew because they are two unrelated languages

The man just keeps exposing his know it all persona to be a big fraud, he knows nothing

@olu317
Even when you mention linguists none of what you claim they said agrees with you
Same linguists you say are wrong to classify Yoruba as a non-Semitic language? Why mentioning Linguists?

Olu317:
Show the Japanese please even if it is stretched out of its original form . Altnough West Africa's ethnic group wiith such cognates with Yoruba's was what you claimed,so defend it or even with any other African's ethnic groups ,instead of a faraway ethnic group that their traces did not exist as such in Africa. See our Japanese's expert ooo? But ,know I won't give you much attention because you are the pained one,with uncultured attitude as our ancestors usually call the sets of humans without mannerism in ancient yorubas Towns I have the definite opinion to emphasis on the history of the people I have mentioned . After all, Hebrew have lived thousands of years in Africa but the same cannot be said of the Japanese . So,kindly show West Africa's intelligible ethnic group's or other Africans ,except Egyot word list which has Yoruba's cognate. Since, vocabulary is a problem to you,then it is ideal to help you out a bit.

What's linguistic?

linguistics:- A language which is reconstructed by examining similarities in existing languages to try to deduce what a common ancestor language, no longer known, would have been like.synonyms language.


What's cognate?

Allied by blood; kindred by birth; specifically (legal) related on the mother's side.Of the same or a similar nature; of the same family; proceeding from the same stock or root; allied; kindred.(linguistics)

The killer point is:- ‘Either descended from the same attested source lexeme of ancestor language, or held on the grounds of the methods of historical linguistics to be regular reflexes of the unattested, reconstructed form of a proto-language'.

‘olodo' somebody that has been diagnosed as suffering from lack of scholarly knowledge syndrome cannot understand proto- language. For clarity, I inform because am well learned but you don't know Jack! For four years counting without anything to show for it because you have learned nothing. This nna descendant? A shame!

Just enjoying myself ... Kai .....Assignment for olodo...........

LMAO so now you know what cognate means. Clap for yourself, continue like this and you might actually have sense.
You'll have sense when you realize that for Yoruba words to have cognates in other languages, those languages must be related to Yoruba language

Neither Japanese nor Hebrew are related to Yoruba language as such the best that can happen is to borrow words, not to have cognates

So when I Match up Japanese words with Yoruba it is hypocritical for you to attack it when that is exactly what you do with Hebrew words, which you even lie about most times, people need to be asking you for dictionary nowadays

Olu317:
Just imagine ignorance? Yes, oka - Agbado/ local custard in yoruba language . Wikipedia will help you not me because Japan isn't an Alien one. But Is this all you can do? JAPAN IS IN ASIA oooo and not West Africa. Or am I missing something about Japan's history being a West Africa country ? . Lemme hit you more, that thunder in many part of Asia, one or two in European countries have cognates with Yoruba's thunder. In fact, one or so group in Australia have some word which has word coined like Yoruba's thunder. kill yourself on what you don't know.

Least O I forget, please narrowed down your research to‘ WEST AFRICA ETHNICITY' so that it becomes, ‘ a case study'.After all,you claimed West African aboriginal status and linked groups to Yorubas. Kindly list just one that has even oka or Oke in West Africa ethnicity. Bloody nna dem dem descendants

Assignment.........?
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You are so unintelligent

Yoruba as a native west African nation is already a case study, I can't make it what it already is, take that up with Historians and Linguists in the university

Funny thing is now I have to explain to this dead brain since he doesn't understand
you are claiming Yoruba have Hebrew origin and I use the Japanese stuff to at least make you use your brain to realize that your word match up technique can apply to any language, anyone can claim anything as Yoruba language using the word match up.. "Oh, these words sound similar or are spelled similar, so they must be cognates" That's what you do, and that's what I've done with the Japanese stuff. But your brain is too miniscule to comprehend what I'm trying to teach you.

If you want to try, I'll show you that Yoruba - Japanese has more solid ground than your Yoruba - Hebrew
Even I've already shown that
If you want to defraud people online and create a fake persona at least use brain. Brainless fraud