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IkpuMmadu:
Oga the word ogiri is igbo... I don't know what yoruba call them

If hausa could give yoruba the name they answer today is it ogiri that they will not claim

MetaPhysical:
Dear Prince,
I apologize for late entry on my response.

I do not in any way diminish Yoruba ancestors at all. My submission in that post was very brief and to the point as pertains to this headgear and color itself.

Red is universal color, in fact all colors are universal. In Yoruba alchemy colors are used to treat ailments by restoring balance to temper and mood. Colors are also used to communicate with divinities.

Certain traditions and cultures of old were known significantly by colors and till today that knowledge pesrsists.

Yoruba is a foreign conqueror and civilization. Its abode is Ife, but it met people in Ife. The name Ile-Ife, the term Oba, the conical Crown, the deities, Yoruba language, and many more customs were implants in the land now known as Ife.

Something caused Yoruba to depart Afro-Asia but something even very significant caused Yoruba to aim for settlement in the land it renamed Ife. It was not an accident. Amongst those with whom Yoruba settled were Bariba and Yauri. The two left and Yoruba remained in the land.

The preoccupiers of that land were the Noks. They were significant for some things, primary among which is color red. They were already a civilized people. Their civilization was super imposed by the much more civilized and nobler Yoruba.

In the same way red features as a color of significance for Nok, blue and white featured significantly for Yoruba.

After their settlement Yoruba instituted the nok culture into its expansion strategy. Red became insignia of Ife authority and dynasty. When uncivilized wild roaming natives needed to be organized, a chief of Ife is sent to order the society and rule it. This is how Ogisos appointed from Ife ended up establishing the red culture in Edo.

christtar:
This is absolutely incorrect, Oga is a pure Yoruba word borrowed by other tribes in Nigeria. The some origin of Oga is the boss or a senior to an apprentice learning a trade, simple.
But it is now being bastardisedly permit me to use that word) used in government offices in Nigerian to patronise your seniors or boss to gain an unmerited favour

absoluteSuccess:
Amen dear brother. I really appreciate. I'm not going to doubt you, I know we are friends but hardly agree on some things easily, the same is responsible for your earlier standpoint.

You just have to be careful with altruism. I see that same tone in his response too, but bao ba gbagbe Oro ana...

absoluteSuccess:
Olu, I thank you for being of help as always. Bad news will not break about your life. I wish you are at the scene.

Why not the man insisted I cleared his picture on the spot? Why escape when he could have agreed to police station?

Something is in that bag and delay can be dangerous. The agbero will like to puck their nose and ask him to identify himself.

Think.

RedboneSmith:
Did I say his life is not threatened? Did I express any doubts about what he has experienced? What I asked is if he is sure it is macof that is behind it. I have followed their diasagreements on this platform, and it would be bizarre if someone would go all out to get someone based on their petty disagreements on this platform.

Even your own response to him is asking basically the same question I asked. Don't mention me and type nonsense please.

RedboneSmith:
And macof is purportedly doing all this, going through all this trouble, because you and him disagree on whether the Yoruba are of Hebrew origin or West African origin?

Have you considered that maybe, maybe, you are wrong?

absoluteSuccess:
I had a serious fight with the spy that macof mounted at my shop today, just some minutes ago. Although I was on the move but equally monitoring my environment.

I was in the shop today to get some stuff and see if I'm being monitored. I took a detour to see what happens next. Lo and behold, a man is behind me. I waited for him to pass and observe him from behind, he's sweating.

He sees my move and as I was waiting, he went to the mallam selling stuff around. I quickly took advantage of the traffic and crossed to the other side of the road, I don't expect to see him around me again naturally.

As I was where I'm trying to take bus, I did a confusing walk with the wheelbarrow guy helping me with stuff. I made a quick rush to a good place with gathering of people I can get help.

I helped an old woman placed her stuff on her head. Then I moved towards the roadside for bus. As I stood there, the man came across the busy road to pick whatnot at the store near me again.

In this, I know something is wrong. He's trying to keep pace and track me. So I stood at a vantage point and took out my phone.

The moment he saw my antics, he knew that the game is up, he moved to take marwa, which he could have done before leaving the road on a normal ground. But in the process, I was taking a good picture of him.

When I saw he's trying to escape, I accosted him and dragged him from the marwa. He escaped but I wrung his dark eyeglasses from him. The Marwa skid off to the place known as alaguntan bus stop.

Then the Igbo guy driving the Marwa gave him the gut and they came back for the glasses. There, a fight broke out between the two of us. His wristwatch broke as we exchange blows. He shoved me and I lost balance.

People gathered, some of my friends were coming out, the Igbo guy is also trying to take up the fight with me. As he sees the people I know coming, he escaped with the Marwa.

But I have different shots of him.

BKayy:
Do you know that what you speak as Yoruba in SW today is Igala language forced on the colonies Igala colonised from 12AD as a lingua Franca?

Those colonies later turned out to be what we now call Yorubas today.

Igala colonised what became Yoruba today for a thousand and 12 years. 800 years of direct colonisation and the remaining 212 years of dwindling influence and indirect colonisation.

The evidence is there. Yorubas still speak Igala till tomorrow

Richwallet:
I am Frankish origin. My family oral history, our unique blood type and paternal surname De France tells the story we are Black French. Yet we also lived in Germany as well. There are still Afro Germans and Afro French who live in both countries descendants of the Black Christian Franks. They are discredited as being European but the Black Christian Franks built Europe.

Some Black Americans can trace their bloodline back to Igbos who are the Israelites of Africa. These Black Americans have oral history, Igbo DNA and records tracing their ancestors as captive slaves of West Africa.

There are some Black Americans who were Native Americans in their oral history, they have native DNA and traced their family back to native American tribes.

We are all Hebrews sons ok Jacob and the Kings of Edom and kings of Egypt don't desire is to be a kingdom again of one united Jacob.

absoluteSuccess:
My Foray To Nairaland

Again, I'm not doing this for entertainment, I'm doing this to avert the danger that macof and his men have in stock for me this week. He has done it to others, but he's failed in my turn.

I got on this site through Google search. I love the culture section out of sheer love for indigenous history, I couldn't resist the temptation to join.

As a budding writer it could be a place to launch out, or so do I think. I've been writing about my findings here and I don't stop anyone else from doing the same.

One major opposer is this man called macof. He came along calling someone "mad man" on one of my thread. That was the first time I noticed him. Soon, he came for me.

I was naive to some extent, such that in one of my response to him at the early stage, I've boasted that he'll be there mocking my efforts, and someone will come around and "discover" me.

At this, I have the hope that joining this forum will help showcase my skills and possibly get me offer for publication of my works. I made a mistake joining the forum or even thinking out and saying it near this man.

At least he has right to whatever he thinks to be right. That never stop me from my findings in any way. However, the singular passion of this man is to stop me or anyone in my line of thought.

I think this is inordinate. I'm not telling him to stop whatever he believes to be true. It's just that I don't see the need to stop because of him. He's a member just like I am. But the confrontations took another dive soon.

Fast forward to the month of December, 26, 2018, I made a post about a new product of mine in the health section of this forum. I was willing to have patronage here. None ever came. But that's not a problem.

Poiu11:
uhrobo originated from the yorubas. you find uhrobo that are yoruba word.

christistruth01:
Olugbo has started sniffing Kerosene From his filling Stations again


Yes Ile Ife was Owned by your Ancestors until Oduduwa retired them and took over

edet19892015:
The first picture is the new king and the last picture is the reporter...

Richwallet:
Yes we are not Africans yet we are your brothers. My tribe the Franks were the tribe of Benjamin who left Egypt prior to Moses to form Troy. After our defeat against the Black Greeks who were also Hebrews the sons of Hectare moved to Gual then crossed the Rhine and settled in Germany. Our ancestors were pagans until King Pharamond daughter married a Fisher King who were the paternal line of Yeshua. Yes Queen Mary Magdalene did live out her life doing missionary work in Southern France and is buried there. After we mixed with the Jesus royal line we became Arian Christians. That's what we were the Franks when King Clovis lead us from Germany to form France. It was Charlemagne another dynasty not of the Jesus royal line that returned many Franks to Germany forming the Holy Roman Empire.

This is the history hidden by African secret societies in alliance with the Vatican. The people the Moors and pagan kings sold captive Israelites aka Igbos to were White Roman Catholic phony Jews. These Jews were mulattoes that came from Moorish harems during their time in Spain and Portugal. Many times the Goths and Popes called upon the Black Christian Franks to rescue them from the tyranny of the Moors. The Moors bred the kind of evil Whites that rule Europe today. So we are talking more bloodline being the root of evil than the mere color of one's skin.

Richwallet:
The people of populated Europe were Black Celts, Black Franks, Black Vikings, Black Scandinavians, Black Saxxons, and White Goths. The Blacks still live in Europe but heavily mixed and many Blacks fled during the Black Plague to the Americas. We did not all come here to America from West Africa. And as far as the Moors in Europe it's a lie from hell. The Moors were stopped by the Black Christian Franks and the White Goths in Southern France. The Moors never ruled pass the Iberian Pennissula which is the famous Spain and Portugal. This history of Africans ruling in Europe are of the making of African secret societies. There were no Ethiopian kings ruling in Germany those were the Black Christian Franks.


http://www.realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Crests/History_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire_2.htm

macof:
This macof na real werey o

macof:
lol. ki l'eleyii? what is this

macof:
smh
this one is madness

macof:
what does the Pope bowing to a brown statue of Mary and Jesus have to do with Yoruba being hebrew?
What has Jesus being taken to Egypt to avoid his murder got to do with Yoruba being hebrew?
what has an ethiopian king being featured in an european painting got to do with yoruba being hebrew?

olu you are empty and lack any substance, you have nothing sensible to say, so just keep quiet.

HarshBitterTrut:
Olu317

As you can see from this artwork which is very exquisite and fine art that Benin Kingdom rulers were hunters. They would go out raid Israelite aka Igbo villages, kill their warriors, rape their women and take captives as slaves. They would also sacrifice the slaves to their demon gods. Egyptians who are Hamite Nubian Berbers also were hunters of men. In the above passage my ancestors the Black Jewish priests compared Esau to Ham because he lived the same demonic religion. It is the religion of the Fallen.

macof:
Lol. calm down slowpoke. If you really want to prove that i am a crook please go ahead and answer the questions i posed to your friend above.
ordinary name calling means nothing.

However, let me state this and i hope your moronic brain can get it
Maintaining that Africans like the Yoruba are not hebrew is not in anyway suggesting that Africans are primitive, if you are so stuppid and filled with inferiority complex that you need to attach to ordinary hebrews that aren't even shiit in terms of advanced peoples then you have a big problem. If you feel like having african origin is primitive then i hope you can see that you are the one who is calling yourself primitive not me

please provide the evidence staring me in the face

HarshBitterTrut:
Ayin Shin Vav

Sometimes Ayin is used as the vowel E.

Shin can be Sh or S sound

The Vav can be V, W, or U vowel

So it really means which language Hebrew is being transliterated into that determines the rule and also the preference of the linguist.

Also some languages may not share similar sounds that can be produced by speakers of that language which brings up cognating.

As I said I am framing Esau not upon his appearance or spelling of his name but his Biblical character.

macof:
1. what is this for Goodness sake? very funny how it is only the part i said you rightly stated that got you excited.
here again is the answer to your question, I have even rearranged it so even you should be able to comprehend

I asked you to get the book by Bascom, as it has all this detail in it. But here is also a video of Baba Ifatokun Jayeola explaining Igbá Odù

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLPh9Ojjkxc

so Odù Ifá is part of Ifá but it is not Ifá itself, Ifá is a generality consisting of several elements, Odù Ifá is a specific element. I don't know what your level of education is but maybe think of Sets and Subsets

2. Page 132-134 of "The Yoruba: A new History" by Prof. Ogundiran explains the history behind the current prominence of Ọ̀pẹ̀lẹ̀. I mentioned this because i choose to respect Ikin by mentioning it too
If you are still looking for the explanation of the word "Odù" in its several uses watch this video of Baba Elebuibon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwfOqqmJKfU
in the words of Baba "many who do not understand the yoruba language mistake the word Odù"
He was referring to people such as yourself Olu

Everything else is jargon. Òrìṣà Odù did not give birth to the 16 principal Odù-Ifá or whatever it is you mean by "16 personalities [/b]of Ifaodu". There is no direct link known in the tradition. Again, watch Baba Elebuibon's explanation. What has a direct link to Òrìṣà Odù is the Igbá Odù
There is no narrative of [b]Seti anywhere in Yorubaland. Perhaps what you mean is "Setilu" mentioned in Samuel Johnson's book as a Nupe man who introduced Ifá to yorubas, which also has no basis.

HarshBitterTrut:
hairy
Welsh: from the Biblical personal name Esau, meaning 'hairy' in Hebrew (Genesis 25:25)

I really believe that too much emphasis is placed upon Esau's look. And it's done quite clever by some unscrupulous people to make him a Whiteman. Whites are pale and therefore look blush I.e red and they were uncivilized at one point which they had long unkept hair.

Yet ruddy is the skin tone of David and Solomon not just Esau. Ruddy is red yet it is the color of all dark brown people besides the Nubian who is jet black. Dark skin Indians are ruddy and many Black people are ruddy in skin tone. Also there are plenty of hairy Black people compared to Egyptians who at times wore their hair short. Hebrews wore long hair and it's in plenty of artifacts that they were ruddy Black skin with long hair. I do believe living in Africa and mating with the Dark skin Nubian Egyptian Hamite women has made a lot of Israelites and Edomites appear darker. Esau married two Canaanite women which were of the darker skin Egyptian bloodline.

What I emphasis in reference to Esau is his character which is spelled out quite well in the Book of Jasper. That is he became a hunter of men like Nimrod I.e a human sacrificer to false deities, he was an enslaver. He went on to build kingdoms and empires and Esau is ruling the world today behind the scenes.

HarshBitterTrut:
Esau hides himself and this is known about him.

macof:
Why would i speed off? where have i ever ran away from questions

Odù Ifá (or Odù ninu Ifá: "odu in Ifa" as you rightly said) which is the literary corpus of Ifa, a sequence of information organised into 256 chapters. Before you can understand Odù Ifá you need to know what Ifá is, as they are not the exact same thing. Ifá is the entire system of divination of the Yoruba people and our neighbours, which includes the Odù-Ifá - the 256 chapters that is recited; the ọpọ́n Ifá which is the tray on which the divination is done; the Ọ̀pẹ̀lẹ̀ Ifá (or because of its popularity simply Ọ̀pẹ̀lẹ̀) used in place of ikin after a certain event in history (see Prof. Akinwumi Ogundiran - The Yoruba page 132-134)
then there is Odù which is different from "Odù Ifá", with Odù you have another deity who is said to be Orunmila's wife. It is this Odù that provides Babalawos with Igbá Odù, a power that is natural to women, therefore Babalawo (male) must receive it alongside Ifa during initiation

You can see "Ifa Divination: Communication Between Gods and Men in West Africa" by William Bascom

you and i both know why you mischieviously say "Ifaodu", as i mentioned it is to make it sound closer to the hebrew "ephod". Assuming you understood the yoruba language well you would have known the semantic difference between "Ifa Odu" and "odu Ifa"

HarshBitterTrut:
Is there any evidence that proves Idumea are Egyptians?

macof:

in other words just as 3 years ago you had no evidence that yoruba are hebrews you still have none today.
nairaland is where you do your work?

It is Ifá not "ifaodu" learn it today