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A001:
I don't really know much about the Coptic language of Egyptians.

You need not to. Philipe Obenga has idea and wrote about it as it concerns Yoruba language having cognate with ancient Egyptians Coptic.

The Yoruba and Egyptian Linguistic Similarities
Language is a very important aspect of culture. It is the book of the people’s experience. According to Ferdinand de Saussure, the surest
to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In his book titled (The General History of Africa) (1972),the author claimed that one of the largest inhabitants of Egypt were
Yoruboid (Yoruba), thus,with more than 500 vocabularies cognates as at 1972.

macof:
Go and answer the questions on the thread. https://www.nairaland.com/4735900/unanswered-questions-yorubas-hebrew-heritage. your assignment of 3 years

they are questions based on your own posts not me stating facts. it is your job to do the facts that's why i opened the thread with questions for you to state the facts.. till now we never see the facts much like your new friend @A001
instead you are monitoring me on nairaland and even trying to find out who i am offline. so obsessed

I hear you . To use my work and turn it around and begin to ask me silly questions again and again.Squad àwọn liars.

Go do self research jáarè and stop poking nose on my work. If interested, then wait to purchase my book in the future. Àwọn alábòsi liars with empty boasting without ifaodu knowledge.

macof:
more expression of frustration. You have found friendship in A001 based on mutual hate for me
There is nothing i have said on this forum that i have not defended when questioned. You one the other hand have no sources, no facts just gibberish. someone who calls Ifa "ifaodu" all in a bid to try to make it closer in sound to hebrew "ephod"
Do you think i have forgotten this thread where i asked you simple questions on your propulated hebrew origin for yorubas https://www.nairaland.com/4735900/unanswered-questions-yorubas-hebrew-heritage. 3 years and counting you are yet to answer those questions and present a good case for yoruba's hebrew origin as you claim , but yet i am the ignorant one about yoruba history and culture but you are? lmao
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There s no where I seek friendship apart from liar as yourself. You are just a distraction. Seriously, go learn the rules of omoluabi.

I do not cherish quoting your earlier post on this thread of yester years because they are filled with non compliance fact . So, I need no friends but goodly people who have no hatred towards mankind as yourself.

A001:
That's great.

No language has ever matched the Coptic language in the world expcept the language of Ifaodu and Yoruba's. Do your research on it.

The best the western researchers have done so far is to call the language an isolate language or call it a liturgy.

My question is, Can the same God who created the knowledge to understand Scroll, which is translated to byblos or to bible , have the language dies ? This is where facts lies.

A001:
Lols

Yoruba tradition super majestic. Yoruba language was the language called coptic. Yoruba language called Semitic at a time in history. Ela shrin, issameas you do found in Mosque and ancient Hebrew form of worhip system as found in ablution.

Yoruba God was the foundation of world's monotheist God's. Ifa cannot die. Orunmiela cannot die. Ẹ̀làà cannot die. Eledumare cannot die. Yorùbá have Sonship heritage only. Ibá èdù,ibá ọ̀rúnmìẹ̀làà, ibá orí,ibá ẹ̀làà, ibá ẹ̀lẹ́dà,Ibá ẹ̀mi , ibá èṣù -ikùun ọ̀rúnmìẹ̀làà...ibá bara aṣẹ́rayé

macof:
As expected more nonsense. I asked you for the vulgar words and evil in that post you replied to but as usual you have no substance. you are just exposing your silliness and on another round of going through my posts to see what to antagonise me on.
You will exhaust yourself on your self imposed vendetta against me. I’ll just be sipping wine watching you embarrass yourself more
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Lmao. I keep laughing at you liar. Can you hardly quote anyone without throwing out vulgar word ? You are a known liar.

I postulated Yrb over two years ago and 2021 you are catching up, Mr. Fake Muslim and fake Iṣẹṣé. Atleast, I decided to expose your lie publicly.

I actually wish you are a true scholar else I would look to the day I will see you and rubbished your falsification postulation openly but it is all in futility since you are only an e-warior . Therefore I Ieave you to your bitterness over people's views

None of you that I donot have knowledge of your strength,so let me let you question what you have no knowledge on.Afterall, I have openly declared the Otem's book wasn't read by me but I have seen the preview. What about you the critic ?

From the ongoing it is obvious that on Ifaodu,you have no knowledge. Yoruba's history from Ileife ,you have no knowledge. Odua personality , you have no knowledge. Oranmiyan's migration to Bini, you have no knowledge. But here you're boasting and tail wagging over what you have no knowledge.

Instead of bestowing upon yourself , humility, which is as a characteristic of omoluabi, you rant as if you know Ileife the source more than Oramfe descendants and Ogun descendants. Absolutely, you're full of shit without recourse from those who know more than you.

Honestly, I detest your your nonsensical post which abhor vulgar words and until you learn how to post message as a scholar, I shall continue to attack the content and not you.However, as a man is, so is his content. While you expect me to post your vulgar words, then you shall wait till eternity because everyone have knowledge of it all.

Lastly, wait and see what I intend to proof and you all, the enemies shall see what hebrew means in Ifaodu and you shall see why Yoruba kings are igba ikeji orisha.

I am omo odua
Omo ogun
Omo oranmiyan
Omo olajamisan
Omo olajadogun
Omo olafogido
Omo olusi
Omo odelu ikanbi....This is my heritage. What is your heritage ? Proof yourself, Mr. Liar. Fake Ifaodu initiate. You all denting Yoruba tradition shall be exposed at right time.

macof:
Olu will you stop this nonsense of mentioning me to your senseless posts. What’s this ridiculous obsession Every week you look for my posts to send a senseless out of point response

Which vulgar words did you see in that my post you quoted?
Sows evil Wtf! What evil did you see in that post?


Stop looking for every opportunity to comment to my posts…your comments are out of point

Lol. Seemingly,you forget easily! Anyway, enjoy yourself .But stop condemning people's post if you have no idea over issue at hand.

HarshBitterTrut:
Yes Yorubas do make it clear that bad people are among them. Yet other ethnic groups try to cover it up. No other people more responsible for global deception than Black people trying to hide their ancestor's shame and their own.

Benin people are not Hamites aka Egyptians. So that only means that they have a Semitic origin. There was only two sons of Noah that went into Africa, Ham because that is his birthright and Shem seeking refuge. And some of Shem did practice idolatry just like Ham I.e Edomites.

Interesting. But is there any archeological evidence to support this postulation ?

saddler:
Why not come with a similar write up about the Yorubas and their obsession with Skull mining and international fraud which your tribe is known for worldwide?

How some of you toil so hard digging up and promoting untruths and anything that ridicules another tribe except yours.

You have right over your view. So enjoy it. But Yorubas have never claim not to have bad people among them which make them far better than Your own ethnic group or Tribe.

Afterall, Yoruba do not call white as black or black as red. White is white and Black is black which is the reason Yoruba condemn evil act of any other Yoruba man. And also praise other Yoruba people who do things truthfully, which birthed Ọmọ èlú ìwa bi (ọmọlúwabi)~ born of God-goodness.

Tell me, what Ethnic are you? Judge yourself

A001:
The Yoruba religion based on Ifa doctrine is interesting.

While I don't subscribe to it or any religion specifically, I find the binary system of the Ifa corpus fascinating as shown in the number sixteen in the photo below.

Ifa is farther than being a religion. It is encompassing the whole purposefulness of mankind.

While the language identified as Yoruba itself emanated from Ifaodu. So,do not just see the binary angle only because it is less than 0.00000001% of what Ifaodu is made up because Ifaodu is the word of God.

Seriously no word you find in Yoruba Bible or the English bible's version which were not from Ifaodu. So, know when you have ability to speak Yoruba language, it means, you are invariably speaking the language of Ifaodu....

If you're a Christian, then it is means, you're worshipping Ori( creator). The strongest orisha which is superior to all lesser Orisha and has not and cannot be competed with from foundation of heaven and earth.


Cheers

macof:
Why would you post something in public and tell people not to react? you can by all means feel uncomfortable with their reaction but you cannot tell me not to respond.

I asked you why take all that seriously, and you said because otem speaks facts. I am still waiting for the facts till now. Your inability to provide the facts from otem's book is what is getting you worked up.
to make it clear, if i was praising otem here you wouldn't say you didn't mention my moniker

You are the one who is confused and worked up, i am actually very calm and watching you embarass yourself.



i can see you are the one who needs a dictionary. you don't have to face grave consequences if you want to leave before your group becomes a cult. many cults allow members leave, if members are strong enough to resist the psychological hold the cult has on them.

you should take your advice and use a dictionary

critical thinking isn't my forte?? but it is yours

what critical thinking made you post this?


or this

Human who sows evil seeds,heaps up the reward upon his/her children thereafter ( irosunotua) . So stop usage vulgar words Mr. Man

BISHOPCHARLIE:
What is way out if the taboos are breached.

The law are encoded in Ifaodu. So, the only option left is for such person to visit a renowned Olúifá,Olúfá or Obàifa or Ònifá,or adafá who are all same identity as Ifaodu divination priest and not Òniṣègún or adàhunṣé.

macof:
I stopped reading where you said suicide is an abomination and you just killed it by saying "buried in the evil forest"

wtf! when did yorubas begin to have evil forests

Lol

Inspirelove:
arungun===ruin

iko-===cough

sin===snize

run-ruin
Ajan-genie/jann
Akúkọ-cock
bọ̀wọ-bow
ajiga-digger

sherlock229:
More.
Awa = ours and us
Mi=mẹ
Iwo =you
Idoti = dirty

None of these are borrowed, they're just coincidence

Really ?

A001:
Before I can engage in any further discussion with you on the book, you'd have to read what you're criticizing (if you think that's necessary).

It's unreasonable to criticise and critique literature you know next to nothing about its content, merely judging the book by its cover.

So, I won't be engaging you further on this matter. It's a waste time.

Again, you don't know anything about the book or the author you're criticizing or his sources.

I don't see the point in answering this question when the reasonable thing for you to do is to learn about what you're criticizing.

But you've not done that; you just made hasty conclusions replete with fallacious and erroneous statements.

I won't clarify anything. I don't see why that's necessary.

It's a waste of time for me to be discussing a book or an author with you, who you know little about but have already reached conclusions hastily, ignorantly.

Again, you're speaking from the position of ignorance about the literature. The reasonable thing is to first learn about the book, the author, and who his sources are.

In the 2018 edition that the author sent to many on Nairaland, the chapter on Orunmila hasn't been decoded at all from the original language of the revelations. The author says there will be a new edition soon.

I won't be engaging you further on this Otem's book unless you first learn about what you're criticizing (that's if you think doing so is necessary) .

You sound like the average religionist when discussing all these deities and prefer to talk about them as supernatural, spiritual beings, who are objects of great mystery.

But I don't like such an approach. It's not healthy for intellectual discourse on the subject because it seeks to obfuscate information on these deities so they can't be scrutinized.

That's one reason why I consider Otem's book a seminal work because the author or his sources don't approach things supernaturally or spiritually but practically and scientifically.

They're revealing the lost histories and the identity of all these gods and goddesses people worship and regard as supernatural entities.

Anyone that reads this book and research some of the claims of the author will stop being an adherent of a religion and looking at these deities superstitiously and supernaturally.

The approach of the author encourages skepticism, carrying out research on claims before taking them as truth, and critical thinking.

That's an encouraging attitude for pedagogy and intellectualism, especially in this part of the world where critical thinkers are few and far between.

This classification is vague, nothing concrete. It's better you learn the scientific methods of classifying human species. Those are comprehensive.

They're more detailed and give an estimate of the various epochs of humanity.
For a start, these links can help:
https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution

https://humanorigins.si.edu/research/age-humans-evolutionary-perspectives-anthropocene

These aspects of science and evolution of humans covered in those resources are an ongoing research areas and subject to further improvement in the future like every other discipline in science.

Combining these sources with great works like Otem's book and "Sapiens: a Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari, an Israeli professor of History (free copy is available online), will educate anyone that seeks to learn (with an open mind) the history of humanity on this planet.

Otem's book traces the origin of humanity to all these gods and goddesses (deities) worshipped in religions and also evolution. It takes the origin back to at least 3.5 billion years ago (unlike millions of years in mainstream science) and provides a unique system of classification, different from the conventional ones used by mainstream scientists but with similarities.

According to the literature, the origin of humanity lies in both intelligent design and evolution, and not only evolution according to mainstream science.

I also share these views with the author, but so far, no scientific evidence is available to show both intelligent design and evolution are responsible for humans' origin.

The available bodies of data (evidence) are only in support of evolution for now.

With time and more understanding of the universe, scientists will make breakthroughs in these areas and the truth will be known.

We're yet to explore 99% of the universe, which means much more mysteries in the universe are unknown, which is why we need more people to become scientists instead of religionists.

The native classification has its importance and uses. But the modern classifications and scientific methods and techniques are better and more detailed.

Crucial aspects of classifying humans are dating technologies and genetic science. Both are lacking in the corpus.

The statement is clear enough. Reading a book like Otem's will teach African Christians and Muslims the true histories of the gods they worship, encourage them to research about the origin of their religions (which is African traditional religions and others predating Christianity), and respect and value the native cultures and traditions.

The author says he was sent by the pagan gods and goddesses of Africa to connect Africans back to their roots.

The majority of Christians and Muslims don't know that almost all the practices in their religions have their roots in paganism, in Africa.

Personally, the interest I now have in our local cultures and traditions is because I read the book and did my own research on the author's assertions.

Until some years ago, I didn't know much about the Yoruba religion even though I'm Yoruba. That's why I consider Otem's book a masterpiece.

What I have learnt in some years now and —what I'm still learning — about our cultures is due to the fact that I read the book. If not, I'd still continue to see the beautiful indigenous cultures as demonic because of religious indoctrination from childhood.

Anyone who sees his native culture as evil or demonic is in the mental slavery of (foreign) religion.

The screenshots are spot-on .

1. Honestly, I have seen the posted part on NL but pay no attention .

Beside, anything written that defamed Orunmielaa is not worth reading for me since I am familiar with many of the world's oldest foremost ancient religion.

Seriously, I am more vast than such assumption based thesis on Orunmielaa. So, Otem written is far below what I have read and not necessarily needed for me.

You may call pride but I donot see it that way since I am very knowledgeable on Africa's different ethnic groups history be it religious aspect,economic development, science etc.

Lastly, I hope and wish you the best but know that Ifaodu acknowledge other religion both Christianity and Islam existence but disagrees with Islam even if these two have history and account in Ifaodu Corpus. So, I see no reason I should overstretch myself on what does not conform with Ifaodu corpus

macof:
Werey
More madness

Mmultifaceted liar
Exit this thread. Alàìnirónu ẹdà. Copy and paste liar without focus

macof:
“What if” you say right? Meaning you have no basis for this reason and it is only a self induced belief
If it had any shred of truth you would have provided a wealth of evidence by now

Why bother yourself over what you have no belief in it ? Afterall, you claimed Yoruba migrated from landlock Niger-Benue confluence without any proof.

Infact Ileife oral account and Ifa's stated account assert categorically that part of her history has been lost . And part of people's history is often lost,then what experts do is to see every possible postulations that can connect through oral history which is subjective.

It's through this oral histories that such information got can be used with other primary, aswell as with secondary sources to gain more knowledge about the people's possible place of origin.

Therefore your view is highly watery and not needed in this thread except you have things to share to that effect.Beside, you are an hypocrite because the same you was struggling to understand the original or correct pronunciation of Yorubas. While you dug deep to understand the trilateral root word "YRB."Yet you couldnt solve the meaning original word usage.

Anyway, Èlédùmárè will help you.

Christistruth00:
So in your own estimation what percentage of Yoruba did Alaafin rule over ?
The Unity of the Yoruba and Humility with Wisdom is the most important the least Yoruba Kingdom and the Most Prominent Yoruba kingdom must be treated the same all are Yorubas none is superior to any other they are all the same the arrogance that led to the fall of Old Oyo must never be repeated again

The absolute peak of Oyo was 1870. Beside, estimated location Oyo had influence rather than being suzerainty over were Northern Yoruba land. While using other kingdoms such as Ketou,Popo, Sabe to control Fongbe-Dahomey,Gun, Ewe etc through to land of Atakpame and beyond.

Importantly, Oyo created military garrisons in different places and thus collected some form of taxes from some kingdoms which were due to the controlled route to doing business transactions with non Yoruba through Lokoja.

Nevertheless,sanity and rule of law were held in high esteem which were worthy of note to mention. While connsidering reason for the fall of Oyo as it seems,were basically two: Overbearing authority of Oyo Mesi(borne of ancient Ogboni) and unchecked interaction/migration of non Yorubas in to Yoruba land which made her vulnerable.

Nonetheless, none of such will ever happened again because Oyo as an empire were built with the blood of all Yoruba clans historically, so when I see some people chanting Oyo praises without full Yoruba recognition as if she came down from hill top to Yoruba land.

It was as a result of Oyo's fall ,Ibadan picked the identity of all comers are equal from late 1820s. This indeed s the reason Yoruba people know and learned from previous mistake that unity is paramount in all ramification. Afterall, Kiriji war was termed the last war "mother of all wars."

A001:
I thought my signature made my field clear.

If you're not an Ifaodu devotee, that means your knowledge on it is not deep as some of your comments have shown.

Okay. I can do so when I'm less busy.

I don't understand what you mean by the highlighted. According to Otem, he was given the content of the book via revelations from Atum in a number of languages, but mainly Seriot, which he says it's a dead, ancient language.

He gave an explanation of this in the book, and the mechanism of the information transmission even has a scientific explanation.

Then, I don't know where the author told you he wrote the book based on assumptions. That's your assertion, not the author's.

It's common knowledge that most of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented. Thus, it's quite possible those histories of the deities are true.

I feel your main grouse with him is because, unlike religionists, his approach and style to narrating the histories of the entities looks scientific. It's all physical, nothing superstitious, supernatural, or spiritual.

After all, what's seen as supernatural or mysterious by humans with our limited intelligence and senses doesn't seem so to an advanced being or a highly evolved entity.

Many things he says about gods and goddesses may not sit well with an adherent like you (just like the average religionists) because of your emotional attachments to these deities, but an agnostic like me finds the work quite seminal, especially due to the author's scientific approach to things.

Who will read Otem's book and research objectively about the histories of our local gods and goddesses and those of Allah and Yahweh in the text and online and still see these deities the same way? I doubt a honest, highly intelligent person won't change his attitude toward these deities.

You clearly know very little about the literature you're commenting about hence your erroneous statements about it.

If not for the book, I will still continue to see our native culture and deities as evil and demonic as Qur'an and the Bible preach. Only a person who hasn't read the literature will post such ill-informed opinion about it.

As said earlier, it's your opinion which holds no water with an agnostic like me.

Interesting.

Okay.

Even without reading Ifaodu corpus and the books you read, I know the highlighted already thanks to Otem's book that narrated histories on how these two foreign religions are connected to and have their roots in our indigenous religions and many of such in Africa, especially ancient Egypt.

It's obvious you're criticizing something you know next to nothing about. It's unreasonable.

1. Cleared

2. I am an initiate with my birth identity. So ,I am humbly proud of ancestors knowledge of creation and God.

3. No problem

4. The author's claim of revelation seem interesting ,especially the assertion that the language of revelation is dead.

Indeed such is quite funny ,considering the fact the same author identified orunmiela's timeline on earth,which is weird because a vastly renowned olúfá cannot claim the time frame of the existence of orunmiela who reigns eternally.

5. Clarify the scientific conjecture such ọpọnifá which is as the components of world

6. Assumption rose from the period the information on orunmiela was mentioned as humanoid.

7. You are wrong on my perspective as it relates to humans deified as gods/goddesses or seen as gods/goddesses .Contrarily, orisha are used for mankind and celestial bodies.

8. You are entitled to your opinions because, your view on Ancient Hebrew fuse directly with Yoruba's tradition. Infact, there are ifaodu stanzas that speaks against harrassment from Islam and also proffer solution and total victory of ifaodu over attacks.

b. Another ifaodu's stanza says that annual fasting by Muslims or Catholic people who claims religionist is not Godly and that they were scattered from being coherently organised.

9. Risha-God
Risha- spirit messengers
Risha- defied humans
Risha- humans

In nutshell, understanding these things make separate gods and goddesses from God Almighty. This is explicitly arranged in ifaodu. The only prominent personality in Ifaodu is Ẹ̀làà, who talked about everything and every personality on earth, whom are classified into three groups: darkskin,light brownish-lightskin and white,ranging from albinism.

10.I am no agnostic ideologically. Learn what is wizardry,perhaps, you may understand it from a linear angle.

11. How did the highlighted gave thanks to Otem's conceive theories ? It is obvious that you do underestimated Yoruba religion. So, let me leave to this funny flaws and sees the two screenshots

A001:
You're funny. I should throw such wondrous literature away simply because it doesn't agree with the Ifaodu as if it the latter contains all the knowlege in the world. Lols.

You're not the one to tell me what book to keep and which one to throw away.

I have done my own research on the book and made my critique of it. Anyone reading your comments will know you've not read it.

It's funny how you make a false or ill-informed statement about a book you've not read. Well, that's your opinion anyway, which doesn't hold water with me.

You first made a disparaging remark about the first book I shared above due to the comparison the author made because you think Orunmila didn't exist as a human but a spirit based on the Ifaodu verses you know, yet the author cited some other verses of the corpus that show he did live as a human.

Yet, you've not read this book and are merely judging it by the title.

It's clear your knowledge of the corpus isn't that broad.

Now you made another ill-informed statement about another book you've not read because some parts of the literature cover areas not in the Ifaodu corpus (something you don't even have complete knowledge of).

If you think every literature in this part of the world will agree 100% with the corpus on all areas, then you're not being realistic.

Nothing concrete in this sentence. I don't need to be a practicioner of Ifaodu to know that the Ifa corpus (though great) doesn't contain all the mysteries in this world. No single book does.

You're merely making things up. If not, what are the native Yoruba words for "humanoid", "homo sapiens", and "homo erectus"?

Where are the eras of each of the last two epochs of humanity mentioned in the corpus with their years of existence in the corpus? And what are the dating techniques used to arrive at them?

I don't think you understand this aspect of archeology and paleontology at all.

Can you tell me where I said there are no scientific aspects or sciences in Ifaodu? This looks like a mischievous statement to me.

The scientific aspects of archeology and paleontology, specifically the epochs of humanity and dating techniques, aren't covered in the corpus. If you feel otherwise, post the proof here.

This is a baseless statement. Tell me where I said the corpus doesn't cover or touch these areas of science. You're arguing emotionally, not logically.


This is a poor attempt at syncretism. Ogun is native to Yorubaland. The Western and Arabic cultures have their own unique deities that share some traits with Ogun.

Not interested in that endeavor. My field is science. What I learn about Ifaodu in literary works and from the elderly around is enough for me.

1.Well, you didn't assert your field,so I had to pin you down on your curiosity about ifá.

2. No way on earth will you understand ifaodu without being an adherent follower or being a devotee


3.I am not an ifaodu devotee with deep knowledge on Semitic anthropology; ancient Hebrew

4. Ogun is same as phaliic og if you are familiar with ancient Semitic history.So, do research on it to identify places where such exist devoid of Islamic religion that is that's less than 2000 years ago.


5.Otem's literature came down through oratory before documentation. Thus, not every book do I need to read because review of the book litters internent. Beside, books written based on assumption is baseless.


6. I do not need to make things up as Otem did which in reality is baseless to give concrete date to Orunmiela.

7. I am an interpreter of Ancient Hebrew inscription .So, I know about phallic origin in mesopotamia,which is older than Islamic religion. Infact the kaaba you see in Saudi Arabia used to house the phallic shrine of Abraham.

8. The same Saudi Arabia have hidden the identities of the Colour Race who once lived in that land till date before Islam which is the reason excavation have been refuted on several ocassion in some area.


9.If you are familiar with visual Art with stylistic design and interpretation, you will know there are places in the world with phallic sign in Iraq and other places. But principally the Kaaba stone belonged to the ancient Hebrew.

10. There are no dominant religion as compared to both Christianity and Islam in the world history. While both actually have link to Yoruba ifaodu method and historical form of divinationThis is the reason i mentioned it that peradventure your interest tilts towards it, that you should engage in its knowledge acquisition.

A001:
The literarure claims Luwabi lived about 140,000 years ago in the homo sapiens era as a reincarnated homo erectus.

Based on the available bodies of (dated) archeological evidence, the homo erectus era spanned around 2 million years (starting from Africa), while the current homo sapiens era started about 280,000 years ago from Africa.

We're currently in the 282,021th year of the homo sapiens era according to some classifications.

Anyone that has truly read the histories of Luwabi in that book will observe an interesting level of depth and consistency in them that make the stories look convincing and profound.

According to the histories, when Luwabi reincarnated as a homo sapiens, he even retained his writing skills as a giant homo erectus (using codes to represent signs on leaves), deep thinking and critical thinking ability, and philosophical skills and started exhibiting these things right from 10 years of age that people around him said he was a prodigy, or a genius, or the return of Ifa.

(In this part of the world and around the world, we heard by oral tales while growing up that the ancients were giants.)

It appears reincarnated people retain some of their skills and abilities/knowledge from their past life.

There's something about the histories in the book that make it look believable. Hence, I consider it very possible that Luwabi might have lived in the ancient past of Yorubaland.

But one may not really know these things for sure, considering the length of time (over 140,000 years ago) and also due to the fact that most of the histories of our forefathers in this part of the world are lost or never recorded/documented.

Then again, those patches of leaves the book said he wrote on wouldn't be able to last for that long, not even 100 years let alone 140,000.

I don't think anyone living today can trace his genealogy back to hundreds, thousands of years in the past (except Otem who says he knows his history right from the Beginning; he posted it on one of his threads and contains his encounters with Olorun, quite interesting with some scientific aspects).

If interested, you may check it here, quite fascinating and with a lot of depth: https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

This inability of most living people today to trace their genealogy back to several years in the past shows a majority of the histories of our forefathers are lost or never recorded/documented.

The book narrates Orunmila (being a giant humanoid from the beginning) had reincarnated as a homo sapiens as a reciter of the verses of Ifa (Ifa had reincarnated before him as a homo sapiens) some 100,000 years in the homo sapiens era after Luwabi came back to Earth again the second time — and that there was even a writer with the name Sodeke that lived in this region within 265,000 – 280,000 years of the homo sapiens epoch as a reteller of the stories of Luwabi.

According to the book, there was even a flood era about 195,000 – 230,000 years ago in different parts parts of the world where many histories of people and world events were lost.

So far, there's been no scientific evidence that a flood era had once occurred on Earth but that doesn't mean there was no such era.

Ifaodu verses, for all their greatness and rich ideas and fascinating use of the language, don't contain detailed information about the different human species in history (homo sapiens, homo erectus, and earlier species) mainly because many of our forefathers weren't scientifically inclined and couldn't develop dating technologies like the whites.

For instance, when talking about Sango or Ogun, no information is given whether he's a nephilim, anakim, rephalm, homo erectus, etc. That classification is highly important for scholarly works and critical analyses.

In that aspect, Otem's book of history has done a wonderful job based on my own critique.

Otem's book is not just false but absurd. Anyway, Orunmiela did not exist as any of the homonoid mentioned by you orthe so called Otem's book. Throw the book away because it wont help you.

So, it is not worth it in the first place since ifaodu corpus does not give credence to this unrealistic assumption by a non Ifaodu practitioner. Well, explained is the ifaodu in Corpus of creation. While there has been different humanoid group, which had been identified.

Secondly, you need learn ifaodu to know there are sciences in ifaodu. So, your view on scientific aspect of Yoruba is false also.

Plainly,creation exist in ifaodu,evolution of earth exist in ifaodu, mathematics, world geographical directions,medication,theology, herbalogy etc


Ogun is phallic in the western world's orientation,stone associated with the worship alter by Abraham according to Islamic history through Prophet Muhammad information on it.

Ogun is identified with day of creation first as the path clearer and also associated iwth iron.

Seriously, if you're interested in knowledge of ifaodu,then become ifaodu devotee. I can give you whasapp group link to seek help on it and be guided to become an initiate.


Cheers

A001:
Interesting. About Luwabi's existence or non-existence, I don't know whether he actually existed as a statement of fact.

But based on the histories I read in Otem's book, there's a strong possibility he really lived in the ancient past and played key roles in development of writing (on leaves) in ancient Yorubaland according to the book.

It's all a possibility for now until I find sufficient evidence for or against his existence.

Whatever possibility you are looking for must fall within the era of the Sumerians, Ancient Hebrew(Mesopotamia) and Egyptians.

Mesopotamia claimed to be the oldest area where written account had been said to have been invented around 5000Bc. So whatever you postulate must be around this period for the Yoruba Race.


Cheers

Christistruth00:
Olu317 you do know that the Olubadan is a Subject King of the Alaafin of Oyo don't you ?

Excuse me Ethnic Oyos know Ibadan are mostly Oyos almost all Oyo State and much of Osun State are Ethnic Oyos

Ibadan was a Massive Oyo Refugee Camp that became a Super Star through Gods Grace and Mercy after the Fulani Jihads invasion of Old Oyo sent

Oyo People fleeing into all directions of the Wind

There are many Yoruba migrants into Ibadan but after chasing out the Egbas and Ife the Oyos ran the show and controlled the Town , Ibadan was originally founded by a very fatherly Ife Man called Lagelu who also had an Oyo Mother, then the Egbas Settled next before the Oyo refugees got there after being welcomed by Lagelu and later chased everyone else away after a misunderstanding ( Yoruba need a lot of Prayers )

After being Chased from Ibadan the Egbas founded Abeokuta and hit the big time on the Coast of Lagos that was when the Ibadan now thought let us kuku takeover all the way to the Sea Coast but the Egbas were like you already chased us out of Ibafan and you are Certainly not going to takeover Abeokuta and Egbaland you Oyos have pushed us to the wall and we are not taking it anymore that was when Egba People like Lisabi came to prominence

Note that when the Oyos took over Ibadan they commandeered and took over the Wives of the Egbas as well so the Egbas had a very big beef against the Oyos of Ibadan that lasted well into the last Century

Go and Check the Kiriji Treaty of 1878 Alaafin signed as overlord of the Ibadans, Ijaye and all Ethnic Oyos

The Masquerade you are talking about came to Ibadan when an Exiled high ranking Ibadan Warlord who in Exile became the defacto Military ruler of the Akoko Area returned back home to Ibadan in his old age with the Masquerade in his entourage it was because of the Military Prowess of Chief Ayorinde that the Fulani failed to penetrate the Akoko Area

Benin Supplied Ibadan Arms during the Ekiti Parapo War because the Egbas of Abeokuta and the Ijebu were also at War with Ibadan

at exactly the same time

Or do you expect the Egbas of Abeokuta and Ijebu to supply Firearms to the Ibadan who are busy fighting them to takeover their
Land and Seacoast


The Ibadan got some supplies from Badagry and Porto Novo Which were under the Alaafin of Oyo but the Egbas kept on attacking the Ibadans route to Badagry and cutting off their supply lines so Ibadan turned to Benin for Supplies also Kiriji the battlefield was almost the same distance to Benin as it was to Badagry but with the Benin route being much safer

There was big money involved in trading with the Ibadan Army and Benin was willing to fill the gap while Ibadan was busy fighting the Egba and Ijebu who were also Ibadans usual Weapon suppliers apart from the Badagry area

Olubadan was not a subject of Alaafin without the consent of Ileife. Yoruba history fromileife the source do not have misleading information as some writers had done.

Alaafin was a powerful king before its empire's fall during Afọnja egocentric attitude that led to Oluewu's death, Afọnja himself and others.

And when Ọyọ was destroyed, Alaafin moved down south,so also refugees who fled to regroup because their own had betrayed the Yoruba people which led to diminished power of Alaafin.

This was around 1820s-1830s, which heralded the baalẹ̀ of ibadan to raise to power due to swell in the Yoruba standing army. Thereafter, Oshogbo war 1840 which gave these warriors from different family background to rise to dominance.

Hence, Alaafin had no power anymore during these period. Ibadan unceremoniously became radical without Yoruba's well oriented system whichledtothe war in 1860s and eventual mother of all war in1877 till it ended .

This war gave Lagos returnees freed slaves , Ijebus, missionaries the opportunity to help supply arms to warring factions until it was nib on board.

Though through the same missionaries, the war ended. This led Alaafin to claim lord of all Yoruba king by conniving with five other people in early1900s to sign up a document giving up sovereignty of Yorubas to British colonist.


It was until the british saw that Ooni whom had been referencef in past and with respect accorded to him by other obas who refused Alaafin's position as the head king of all Yorubas that truth saw the light of the day.


In effect, the era Alaafin commanded respect in Ibadan was different from the latter that many warrior princes arrived Ibadan to increase the population and waged war against Ilorin warriors to humiliation.

Crystyano:
I don't care about what any group of Yoruba ancestry did or never did



I don't care about what you consider as yoruba doctrine

I don't care about what you consider as yoruba worldview

Oh I see. Enjoy yourself

Abohboy:
If you follow Odu Ifa very well you would know that he came down to earth in human form and lived like a normal human for many many years he was even once in abject poverty in the human world till Ire was sent from Orun to him.

It isn't an insult to compare two philosophers whether or not one is a God doesn't matter a philosopher is a philosopher and you can compare their teachings if you want

May be you know ifaodu more than I . Share your historical knowledge on Orunmiela,in Corpus of Ifaodu so that we can learn.


Cheers

A001:
Every human is a spirit being. By spirit, I mean the second aspect of a human being in his/her dual nature (flesh and spirit — a kind of wave from the scientific angle).

There's no need to hide information from people any longer in today's information age as our forefathers used to do with their deities (gods and goddesses), treating them as objects of great mystery, too great to referred to as a human, so as to make others fear these entities.

Today, anyone that's well read as regards Yoruba culture and history knows all gods and goddesses worshipped as a deity in Yoruba (and even all cultures around the world) were humans that existed in various forms (human species) in the past.

For instance, the early settlers on this planet in Yorubaland were Olohun, Osun, Oya, Yemoja, and the likes, all of which are humanoids (giant human-like entities) who molded early humans in their image as their slaves or worshippers.

The same thing applies to all cultures around the world, including Ibo, Israel, Arab, and others. Each culture as its own unique gods and goddesses that created early humans in that part of the world.

But some of these humanoids also reincarnated as homo erectus and homo sapiens.

Before the homo erectus and homo sapiens eras, there are many pieces of evidence in various parts of the world showing a race of ancient humanoids or aliens had existed on this planet some billions of years ago.

These are gods worshipped as God today in various world's religions. They're advanced beings or higher beings or early beings.

Thanks to great books like Otem's, the one shared above, and many other resources online, it's now known that all the entities worshipped as a deity around the world, including Yorubaland, Arab, etc. are the ancestors of early humans.

Olohun is the ancestor of Yorubas, just like Allah and Jehovah are the ancestors of Arabs and Israelites respectively with each claiming the title of God.

That these entities are human-like beings is quite clear if one examines their human-like traits in Yoruba oral cultures, Qur'an and the Bible respectively.

Deities worshipped as òrìṣà in this part of the country, for instance, were great humans that did something profound, historic, and unforgettable for their people, who deified them and started worshipping them.

Òrìṣà like Obatála or Òrìṣànla, Orúnmìla, Odua, and the likes all existed as a human.

The term, òrìṣà, itself means Ẹni ti orí ṣà dá yatọ si awọ́n ẹ́lẹ́gbẹ́ rẹ̀ iyoku in full. This shows all the òrìsàs are deified humans.

Quite interesting and rich but not all you stated are correct.

I have seen Ifaodu priests who actually share same beliefs with you which I had disagreed with at a point in time because these dual names do not meaning the same personalities .

If someone bore or bears orunmiela does not mean,he is the second in command or part of complexity of Almighty God because the earthly personality died while heavenly never died.

Itis a fact that, Corpus in Ifaodu differs from your interpretation as you had linked all the different era of humanoids on earth until this present time. At times interpreters of corpus,create problems due to emotion and not being vast.

Creation from Yoruba theological angle falls within biblical names such Adam and Hawa(adàmọ ati ẹwa ) . Accordingly Obatala is said in some odu to create human beings from redsoil or earth. While in another account orunmiela did all creation with HIS Complex personality.

thrasy:
Afonjas, Ugbodu is an Igbo aborigine community with Influence from Igala and Yoruba migrants. Same as Ebu which came under attack by Igala warriors and settlers.

How is Olukumi Ibo language ? What does Oluku means in Ibo language ? Wallahi some of you Ibo people are just weird .

For your information, Olukumi language is still intact even if some words becomes loaned from Ibo language and still intelligible with other dialects within Edekiri. And I am sure Edekiri is a word which has no link with Ibo language. Below Screenshot speaks more about it.


Cheers

christistruth01:
The Ibadan who were Ethnic Oyos and saw themselves as subjects of Alaafin ruled much of Ekiti and Ondo and that was what lead to the Ekiti Parapo Wars of Independence


Benin Supported Ibadan by Supplying them with Arms during the Ekiti Parapo Wars at Kiriji that was why General Ogedengbe attacked the Benin Kingdom in retaliation

With due respect,Ibadan were not ethnically tribally ọyọ. Instead all Yorubas encompassing . This is a fact. The strongest masquerade in Ibadan does not belong to Ọyọ. Do your finding to know where he came from.

On your last part of Benin Supporting Ibadan is extremely funny because Benin was too scared to join any group to fight during this time because of depopulation.

The question you need ask yourself are three:

1. When did Portugal who supplied Benin musket begun bilateral trade with Benin ?

2. When did the Portugal relationship with Benin became unfriendly ?

3. When did the bilateral between Portuguese and Benin became terminated ?

Earlier between 1840s-1850s,when some miscreants chiefs in Ondo rebeled oshemawe through the invitation of Bini Oba's supporters ,because of his family friend in which the reigning oshemawe was killed in the rebellion . But ologbenla restored the lineage back on throne.

4. How come Bini became supplier of Arms when the incoming Yorubas warriors were a threat to his kingdom ?

Plainly ,missionaries were the suppliers of Arms to both parties due to different clan's interest. Another supplier of Arms were the Ijebu ode group who controlled the waterways. It due to the blockages that the British with the Yoruba loyalists fought against Ijebu to open the waterways.

Ijebu have great stake in lagos from time immemorial. So, let us know that Bini is overated on this issue. Beside you can learn more about Yoruba princes of Ooni household at ileife who waged war against Bini land as a warning due to their oppression against smaller Yoruba settlement along their line.

KnownUnknown:
Can you recommend any books on ifa?

There are different books but for a start, pick up book such as sixteen cowries by Bascom, then books from Wande Abimbola(Professor, a renowned Ifa priest). May be you can pick sixteen great poem of Ifa from professor Wande Abimbola.

Let me clearly state here that real ifa devotees are the one called ọmọlúìwabi,simply because of perfection or having attributes of God found in mankind without any form of of pride,hatred, bitterness In as much as you want to walk the line,then prepare for it.

Furthermore, learning Ifaodu is interesting and beautiful to behold. So, Ifaodu is knowledge of God documented in Yoruba worldview as well as being memorised by Yoruba's Western oriented Scholars Ifaodu elite and not some professors who documented Yoruba history from Ifaodu and turn around to condemn the same source.

We called these people, "àwọn irọ́ gun orí'gi,irọ́ pee/pin" "Transl: False climbs atop of atree to be ended"

Crystyano:
I don't have to consider Odu or any character that some yorubas talk about as a real person except such yorubas can actually determine how Odu or any other character like that existed as a real person



Period

In as much as you think, you do not have to accept such as having identifying human figure in the esoteric knowledge of Ifaodu, then no need to compare a Greek with human Creator in Yoruba religion aswell as beingacknowledge in Christian transliterated ancient Hebrew religion and Arab's Islam.

Meanwhile, uncountable towns are mentioned in Yoruba's ifaodu, in which there is an odu, that birthed such towns.

In reality, names of Yoruba towns founded by kings, princes,etc are divined if priests are part of the kings or princes entourage to the said land. So, do not think it is a child play.

Perhaps if you're a Yoruba personality ,then your own town do have a founding odu in Ifaodu to make it stands. If you think, certain group of Yoruba ancestry did not do such then ,you must be funny.

Both Christianity and Islam cannot determine Yoruba's worldview because the knowledge being proclaimed in the world came through Yoruba doctrine.

Cheers