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Adeba01:
When you mean scattered across the globe they are no longer part of the youruba people as they are heavily mixed and don't resemble the Yoruba, it would be more appropriate for Brazilians and Cubans to claim their spanish/ portuguese heritage as they look more like their European side than their alleged Yoruba side

The point here is that I'm not even thinking in the direction of south America or North Americas as you seemingly have thought.

For instance, a white man married colour woman and therafter, the sons and daughters of such man married into colour generation for more than 100 generations and vice versa for (a colour man who married white person (highest breed of light skin caucasians). Obviously such man or woman will look like people who are their immediate neighbours

Infact, excavation will resume at Ife-Osugbo sites where more discoveries will continue to expose the needed information on Yoruba identity.



Cheers

macof:
You are too silly to even be able to comprehend Genetics olu
So whether genes tell lie or not is irrelevant as far as you are concerned because you can't comprehend the implications

Just imagine your statement! So, gene tells lie? . Obviously, you know nothing than vulgar usage. ordinary , I ought seek your ban but not interested in all that bullshit.


You have simply forgotten your previous posts in the past that you declined such fact as Yoruba having Eurasia gene via Neanderthal . While you will continue to see posts as shown in this thread and elsewhere. Hence enjoy yourself while the truth and fact continue to be revealed to you all.

absoluteSuccess:
Substitute Imitation

Everything must answer to the contextual constructs of your links that's the end of knowledge. If it has imparted you, it trickle down here.

The links has the final say on Yoruba language and history to you. The links is of the custodians of African history. It compares the verses of Ifa and Afa for their common origin.

How many indigenous words have you in your links' vocabularies? Read more of indigenous materials like ifa to be grounded to some extent.

Then seek knowledge from the very languages you are referring to by comparing their common attributes and differences to encourage indigenous knowledge.

Stop parading "substitute imitation" as knowledge, it's clear you don't have the native intelligence required for what you frequently dabble in on. You must find a ready-made answers always.

It's the height of selective justice when you have prejudice for one form of white man's enlightenment and think in another white man's enlightenment in the defense of your opinion about the black man.

Why not justify your claims on the connection between the Igbo and the Yoruba based on what you have found in your historical research as an historian?

Seen. It is a great link. I hope you're good. Thanks

macof:
Larabawa, Rumawa...
I don't understand how having a name for a people equates to "mixing" with those people in particular.

Kano just being a commercial hub doesn't make it a mixing ground, it's more complex than that.

And even though as I already admitted many West African groups have Eurasian genes, there are many factors involved... like how only a few hardly significant number of carries who first appeared in the region can have many descendants and the same genes gets passed like wildfire.
Hence as long as people have always been marrying foreigners you can't expect to be pure anything. No matter how many generations removed you are.

Not many but four groups have been confirmed by geneticists, presently. . The important thing is that gene don't tells lies. And Yoruba people is the most concentrated ethnic group in West Africa.

Inspirelove:
Ema tan ra yin je.. Yoruba migrated from Nowhere except Ile Ife... other groups might have come into our land that we assimilate them with their culture. how did Yoruba cross the Atlantic Ocean ? or it's pacific ocean ? why would they leave other parts of Nigeria especially their point of entry and came to Ile Ife to settle ? you people to give that away, our lives started from Ile Ife, it was water that separated Yoruba and Brazilian. go and study the Word Peleg. once u know the meaning go to the Bible and read what it means

Lol . What exactly is your anger if indeed, Yoruba have external link with EuroAsian ? Have you not read what geneticists make assertion on ? At times, I find someone like you seeing the truth but find it hard to come to term with it.

Kindly read, current information that litters the internet on DNA research about Yoruba and three other groups in West Africa which confirm that Neanderthal Arose 430,000 years ago and disappeared 40,000 years ago in the world.

And these hominids didn't come to Africa but their descendants gene can be found in Four West African populations which carry genes from what may be an undiscovered archaic hominin. This archaic group of humans seems likely to have diverged from the shared ancestor of Neanderthals, Denisovans and modern humans before these lineages split about 800,000 years ago.

Previous research has shown that Homo sapiens bred with Neanderthals and Denisovans after migrating from Africa, but little is known about the presence of genes from ancient hominins in people whose ancestors never left Africa, partly due to the difficulty of obtaining ancient DNA in hot climates where it can degrade.

Read more: A Genetic Ghost Hunt: What Ancient Humans Live On In Our DNA?

Any number of now-extinct human lineages that once existed within Africa may have hybridized with modern humans there as well. However, the sparse nature of the ancient human fossil record in Africa makes it difficult to identify DNA from such "ghost lineages" in modern humans.

Instead of hunting for ancient human fossils across Africa, the scientists looked for genetic traces of ghost lineages in modern Africans. They compared 405 genomes from modern people from West Africa with ones from fossils of Neanderthals and Denisovans, focusing on DNA that stood out from the West African genomes roughly as much as Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA did from modern human genomes overall.

The researchers detected statistical anomalies they suggested were best explained by interbreeding between West Africans and an unknown ancient human lineage whose ancestors diverged from those of modern humans before the split between Neanderthals and modern humans. Four West African groups — Yoruba in southwestern Nigeria, Esan in southern Nigeria, Gambians in western Gambia, and Mende in Sierra Leone — may derive 2% to 19% of their DNA from a ghost lineage, the researchers said.

"Interbreeding among highly diverged human populations has been common through human evolution," said study senior author Sriram Sankararaman, a computational geneticist at UCLA.


A number of ghost lineage genetic variants were unusually common in the Yoruba and Mende genomes, suggesting they might confer some evolutionary advantages. These included genes involved in tumor suppression, male reproduction and hormone regulation.


Interestingly, Yoruba have some information about gods who married earthly people in Ifaodu corpus. This information has been released before 1980 in account which has no connection to to modern genetic research which backs such Yoruba information.

According to, to Professor Wande Abimbola:
Deities and Spirits marry and have children - Yoruba believe that deities and spirits exist according to their sexual status. It was stated, “after the arrival of the divinities (on earth, sic) human population increased at Ife in two ways. The divinity married among them and gave birth to the lineage of men who later become the divine ruler” (Wande, 1976).

An Ifa corpus that is authoritative on this belief states, ‘sinmi titi, lawo sinmi titi; sinmi jinna lawo sinmi jinna; Adifa fun Orunmila nlo reefe; Ojunro mi omo Orisa Igbo Wuji,(Elubuibon,1998).Ojunromi omo Orisala.


Perhaps, you can bring out your writers, who contradict Ifaodu , which has been upheld by these special breed of hominids. Instead, of claiming Ileife in Nigeria as the basis of Yoruba foundation.

TAO11:
Self-confusion is your middle name.

First of all you asked me to provide evidence of fossil at Iwo-Eleru, now you’ve changed from Iwo-Eleru, to Niger Valley. You should make up your mind.

Anyways, I have a burden to prove only a claim that I made. I am not obliged to prove a claim I didn’t make. Okay?

At no point in the course of educating you did I teach that a human fossil was excavated from the Middle Niger Valley of ‘Nigeria’.

Moreover, didn’t you say you’ve now understood the difference between skull and tools.

Please explain to me why I have to revisit teaching you that there is a difference between skull and tools.

And where in the course of educating you did I teach that a human fossil was NOT excavated from Iwo-Eleru??

Prove what? 40,000 years old what? You must first understand what you need me to adduce evidence for.

But you obviously don’t even know what you need me to provide evidence for.

You don’t understand what my claim is, yet you need me to back it up what evidence.

You must be an insanely idio.tic mo.ron.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

I can see how bittered you are. Afterall, you have used negative vulgar names on me but I focus often on fact giving and not names. Infact, the often vulgar word I have ever used on you were three: Liar ignorant,olodo. Unlike you that's not a sportman who behaves like Jose Mourinho; winning by all means, possible

As you can vividly see, you have failed in the area you had in mind, which is to rubbish my identity. And one wonders if you can actually rubbish me ? Indeed you are a joke.

You see no amount of lies can change this words of yours TAO11, 'First of all archeologcal evidence dates the evidence of human groups in the Middle Niger valley( i.e in area known as 'Nigeria') to c.40,000 years ago. . Instead, to accept this error, you kept denting your profile.

In reality, no man is an epitome of knowledge, especially someone like me who works tirelessly to garner information on what I am doing. But your bad attitude towards renowned scholars work, and unresearched work you claim make the problem you have at this moment.

If I give out 10% of what is in my care, it will definitely wow you. But keeping my calmness and reading people's view delight me even if I choose not to condemn any one but slightly often posit my own view, which is tilted towards Information I have, despite the fact I don't post the references often.

My dear, you can get your grip on some of the following :
References
Abímbọ́lá 1969 Wánde Abímbọ́lá. Ìjìnlẹ̀ Ohùn Ẹnu Ifa—Ápá Kejì: Àwọn Ifá ?láńlá. Glasgow:
William Collins.
Abímbọ́lá 1976 ______. Ifá: An Exposition of Ifá Literary Corpus. Ibadan: Oxford University
Press.
Abímbọ́lá 1977 ______. Ifa Divination Poetry. New York: Nok.
Abraham 1958 R. C. Abraham. Dictionary of Modern Yoruba. London: University of London
Press.

Barber 1990 Karin Barber. “Discursive Strategies in the Texts of Ifá and in the ‘Holy Book of Odù’ of the African Church of Ọ̀rúnmìlà.” In Self Assertion and Brokerage:
Ajanaku, Fabgemi 1970.

Ori, Ipin ati Kadara Apa keji. A paper delivered at the Conference of Egbe Ijinle Yoruba, Lagos.
Awolalu, J and Dopamu, P.A. 1991.

West African Traditional Religions. Ibadan: NK .
Idowu, Bolaji 1975.
African Traditional Religion – A Definition. London: S.C.M. Press.
1996 Olodumare: God in Yoruba Belief. Lagos: Longman.

Mbiti, J.S. 1970.
African Religions and Philosophy. New York: Anchor.
Laude, Jean 1973.

Awo Falokun Fabunmi, Ela:Ifa concept of Altered States (The metaphysical foundation of IFA) (vol 5)

From above books, you can actually read,more books on IFAODu,which actually posits definition of Ela from Ifaodu concept and not mine,which make cogent affirmation on beliefs in Islam and Christianity,which are also found in Ifaodu.

On a light mode, you have provided great informations with references, on many of the different threads cum topics, with tangible references, which cannot be taken away from your researches. Kudos on that aspect.

TAO11:
(1) Question: Did I write the following anywhere in my comments:

“... archeological evidence dates the existence of human groups in Middle Niger valley(i.e in the area now known as 'Nigeria') to c.40,000 years ago.”

Answer: YES.

(2) Question: Did I write anywhere that the actual evidence for “the existence of human groups in the Middle Niger Valley” is human fossil (or fossil human to indulge your illiteracy)??

Answer: NO

(3) Question: Did I mention the actual evidence for “the existence of human groups in the Middle Niger Valley”??

Answer: YES.

(4) Questions: What then is this evidence ??

Answer: Middle Stone Age tools and implements.

(5) Why then are you asking me to provide human fossil (or fossil human) evidence for the Middle Niger Valley human existence from 40,000 years ago??

The Iwo-Eleru human fossil, tools, pottery evidence, etc. relate to the Late Stone Age.

The Middle Niger Valley tools/implements relate to the Middle Stone Age.

You obviously have absolutely zero clue on what the difference between LSA and MSA is.

In sum, you must first understand what you need me to prove before asking me for the proof.

But you obviously don’t even know what you need me to provide evidence for.

You clearly lack any understand what my claim is, yet you need me to back it up with evidence.

You must first know what my claim is before you ask for the evidence for it.

Ask me to provide evidence for the actual claim I made, not your imaginary claim which I didn’t make.

Grow up, cheers!

Cc: rhektor

Yes, you mentioned 40,000 years. Simple as ABC. This is my bone of contention

rhektor:
First of all, you should have quoted the comment you were replying as it was on another thread but you stylishly did this to hide from public disgrace alaye you have nowhere to run as I will keep trashing you and your lies
all bunch of trash, incoherent, balderdash. Wait o olu are you out of your mind or what? What is all these trash meant to address? This guy you're getting low by the day

Not all are correct many of the words you typed here has no meaning in Yorùbá with the wrong diacritics you applied on them for example

Eló has no meaning to any Yorùbá person èló is what actually mean how much
Seems you are leaning little by little TAO11 you're doing some good job on this your boy

Eku is the short form of the word èkúté, there's nothing like the word Èkúte that you used here, silly boy when will you learn?

You usually dwell on the use of this sign ~ which is the sign of elongated words (vowels) in Yorùbá writings, boy that has been long jettisoned no longer in use boy, àmì faagun is no longer used in Yorùbá writing these days instated we use double vowels

Egúngún = eégún

Èéfín has no short form where did you get the short form from?

Koríko = grass (short form is koóko)
The word you wrote there has no meaning in Yorùbá (is your this blocked?)

kòríkò:wolf what is this nonsense? Do mi do? Ìkokò = wolf

Guy let me see if you'll improve in your next comment
PS: quote the right comment on the right thread, don't let me give you a knock on your blocked head

This is smoke in Yoruba inthe screenshot. Liar has no room in my school of thought. Infact , your diacritic sign is wrong on Ēfín .

TAO11:
Again, I am only obliged to prove a claim that I made.

I am NOT obliged to prove an imaginative claim which you made up in your head on my behalf.

At no point in the course of educating you did I state that there exists some human fossil (or ‘fossil human’ as you call it) dating to 40,000 years ago from the Middle Niger valley.

No I didn’t teach you this. In specific terms, I didn’t teach you that a human fossil (or fossil human as you call it) was found there.

Stop pretending to be extremely ret@rded. You know exactly what my claim is, and what it is not.

And if truly you have no clue whatsoever on what my claim is, then asking me to provide evidence for such claim doesn’t even come into the picture.

Can a human being be truly this dumb? I doubt it.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

Seriously, I am satisfied that you have denied the fact that:

1. You are trying to mislead Fregene about archeological findng in Niger Valley area, which has not been over 14± 0000 years Inexistence. Instead, you claimed, 40,000 years of fossil human or more aptly, "tools",found in this area. And you have denied it.

Thus, I'm still waiting for you to mentioned, any reliable Scientist, who claims 40, 000 years of existence of any fossil in Niger Valley, as I have mentioned 13±000 years,with researchers such as, Shaw and Daniel (1984),Allsworth-Jones, P., Harvati, K. and Stringer, C. (2010) ,on the archaeological context of the Iwo Eleru cranium from Nigeria and preliminary results of new morphometric studies



2. That, you claimed Ala ,in this context does not mean white but cloth or white cloth .In , which,a moniker here claims as I have said that, Oba ti Ala , means lord of purity or light . While in this moniker's account, he posits in his summary as, king of "all things white". Undoubtedly, you do not even know classic Yoruba language.

And there is no place in Yoruba dictionary or the indigenous speakers asserts,"aṣọ" to be "white cloth". But "cloth"or atmost, with its descriptive nature to the object . What then is Àlà ? It is "White". Infact, I went as far as using Ifaodu Corpus, in Odu OgundatoasserteÈlà(È-àlà) interpretation,by renowned Priests, even amongst them Professor, such as Awo Fabunmi Falokun, Wande, Abimbola, Adeyinka Olaiya etc. While you have not provided any authored book(s) or renowned scholar to this effect.

3. This is not made up in head because, below screenshot posits otherwise since it was your moniker that mentioned 40, 000 years in your view . Infact your intentions are clearly obvious ,which you intend to dent my project . Unfortunately, it backfired

kayfra:
One of the stupidest threads on nairaland

Evil one , I know you're one of them . . You beef another man without reason. African man, my own ancestors conquered you and gave you exposure! IFAODU was of African origin? Teach me what I do not know!

rhektor:
I thought that you said you were researcher?
Go and check out the Encyclopedia of Global Archaeology you'll keep shut once you get there Olódo òṣì

You are the least inconsequential . Zombie, continue in your ignorance. I rest my case.

TAO11:
(1) Question: Did I write the following anywhere in my comments:

“... archeological evidence dates the existence of human groups in Middle Niger valley(i.e in the area now known as 'Nigeria') to c.40,000 years ago.”

Answer: YES.

(2) Question: Did I write anywhere that the actual evidence for “the existence of human groups in the Middle Niger Valley” is human fossil (or fossil human to indulge your illiteracy)??

Answer: NO

(3) Question: Did I mention the actual evidence for “the existence of human groups in the Middle Niger Valley”??

Answer: YES.

(4) Questions: What then is this evidence ??

Answer: Middle Stone Age tools and implements.

(5) Why then are you asking me to provide human fossil (or fossil human) evidence for the Middle Niger Valley human existence from 40,000 years ago??

The Iwo-Eleru human fossil, tools, pottery evidence, etc. relate to the Late Stone Age.

The Middle Niger Valley tools/implements relate to the Middle Stone Age.

You obviously have absolutely zero clue on what the difference between LSA and MSA is.

In sum, you must first understand what you need me to prove before asking me for the proof.

But you obviously don’t even know what you need me to provide evidence for.

You clearly lack any understand what my claim is, yet you need me to back it up with evidence.

You must first know what my claim is before you ask for the evidence for it.

Ask me to provide evidence for the actual claim I made, not your imaginary claim which I didn’t make.

Grow up, cheers!

Cc: rhektor

Stop rhetoric and post your claim of 40, 000 years of inhabitation of fossil human in Middle Niger valley as you stated.

Stop and be a scholar for once. You see, the more you post vulgar words against me, , the more you become exposed and damaged your profile . So, proof this screenshot wrong!

Cheers

TAO11:
This guy is a dullard.

I know it is termed “human fossil” as you can see in the 1st attachment below.

It’s you who have been using “fossil human” all along as can be seen in the 2nd attachment below of your own comment.

You shot yourself in the skull again as always. You are a disgrace.

Cc: rhektor.

Stop digression. Proof40,000 year of any tool found in Middle Niger Valley

Apart from the fact, I do not want to drag this to Hebrew and Yoruba platform which is the reason, I maintained West Africa human occupation. So, give us concrete answer to 40, 000 years.

Secondly,contrary to your belief, Bible is more acurate as per the mention Altantis when Flood destroyed the area in Mesopotamia. Perhaps you should shed light Yoruba's account flood destruction also real or myth ?

Thirdly kindly donot quoue me again except you proof any form of tool or fossil human that existed 40,000 years ago in West Africa..


Lastly, this thread is about Yoruba deities ,so kindly post some information on any of Yoruba historical deity and move on.


Cheers

rhektor:
Olu Olódo, your screenshot gave you out yet you're clinging on to your delusion

Who is the olodo ? Of course, my screenshot answer you.
Less I forget, your bá wà need dictionary source to that effect. Meanwhile, enjoy the screenshot while it pains you; Set trap for them and fell for it.

TAO11:
This guy is a dullard.

I know it is termed “human fossil” as you can see in the 1st attachment below.

It’s you who have been using “fossil human” all along as can be seen in the 2nd attachment below of your own comment.

You shot yourself in the skull again as always. You are a disgrace.

Cc: rhektor.

I know both of are basically lacking Yoruba etiquette. So , you meant I did not pull your legs?Bellow screenshots answer you over who is the real "dullard"

Imaging a scholar pointing at nothing. Copy and paste writer

TAO11:
The actual term is human fossil, not fossil human. However, this is not the crux that I’m holding against you. You are excused to conflate human fossil for fossil human being that you are an illiterate. That’s okay.

The issue I’m holding you against is NOT error of term usage. The issue is beyond that as shown below.

I have a burden to prove only a claim that I made. I am not obliged to prove a claim I didn’t make. Okay?

At no point in the course of educating you did I teach that a human fossil [or fossil human to permit your illiteracy] was excavated from the Middle Niger Valley of ‘Nigeria’.

There is a difference between skull (i.e. human fossil) and tools. You claimed you understood this difference, but you clearly don’t.

You must first understand what you need me to adduce evidence for.

But you obviously don’t even know what you need me to provide evidence for.

You don’t understand what my claim is, yet you need me to back it up what evidence.

Your claim state thus, 'First of all archeological evidence dates the existence of human groups in Middle Niger valley(i.e in the area now known as 'Nigeria') to c.40,000 years ago'. . And you are antagonising yourself ? I just cannot believe this!

It is obvious ,you do not know as much as your fans had imagine. Get it straight, egun nla ni me re. Dare me at your own perilous perishing..

As I had mentioned earlier , proof statement right by statting the scientist who did excavations and release such to the public. This is the only thing I ask you because you affirm to 40,000 years ago human existence in Middle Niger Valley without any form of scholarly journal or written books to it. So proof yourself as you have stated in this screenshot.

And I state with absolute on excavations done in recent past and till this moment , that the oldest tool found anywhere in West Africa is not older that the fossil human in Iwo Eleru or pottery or any tool . The tool(s) that has been found is/are atmost equall to era of the fossil human in Iwo Eleru.

TAO11:
This lad is insanely confused.

First of all, there is no such thing as “fossil human,” it is called “human fossil” instead, be guided.

Secondly, you seem confused with your request since you yourself had earlier on claimed to be aware of the fact that there was an archaeological excavation quest at Iwo-Eleru which led to the discovery of a human skull.

Get your shit together and stop being m0r0nic as well as confused.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

This shows howretrogressive your has been all along. Human fossil again and again. Teacher do not teach nonsense. Screenhot nailed you again


Cheers

TAO11:
Self-confusion is your middle name.

First of all you asked me to provide evidence of fossil at Iwo-Eleru, now you’ve changed from Iwo-Eleru, to Niger Valley. You should make up your mind.

Anyways, I have a burden to prove only a claim that I made. I am not obliged to prove a claim I didn’t make. Okay?

At no point in the course of educating you did I teach that a human fossil was excavated from the Middle Niger Valley of ‘Nigeria’.

Moreover, didn’t you say you’ve now understood the difference between skull and tools.

Please explain to me why I have to revisit teaching you that there is a difference between skull and tools.

And where in the course of educating you did I teach that a human fossil was NOT excavated from Iwo-Eleru??

Prove what? 40,000 years old what? You must first understand what you need me to adduce evidence for.

But you obviously don’t even know what you need me to provide evidence for.

You don’t understand what my claim is, yet you need me to back it up what evidence.

You must be an insanely idio.tic mo.ron.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

Stop rhetoric. AS far as I'm concerned Fossil human is also acceptable term. But wait, is fossil Human or Human fossil the bone of contention? Noooo but proof of your 40, 000 years existnce of [i]fossil human [/i]in Niger valley. Simple.

TAO11:
This lad is insanely confused.

First of all, there is no such thing as “fossil human,” it is called “human fossil” instead, be guided.

Secondly, you seem confused with your request since you yourself had earlier on claimed to be aware of the fact that there was an archaeological excavation quest at Iwo-Eleru which led to the discovery Iof a human skull.

Get your shit together and stop being m0r0nic as well as confused.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

I will not engage you in rhetoric! Lol . Either human fossil or fossil man, remain same. What is more important is for you provide evidence , that Niger Valley has fossil man occupation at 40,000 years ago.....

Meanwhile, here is another screenshot damning your lie. Mr Liar, here is a screenshot supporting my ,"fossil man" . So, no qualms. Just proof yourself that you have evidence , which youcannot today .Perhaps your 40, 000 years of occupation need evidence.

samuk:
Could you show us from your 1485 to 1506 citations where Benin was said to have had any relationship with Ife. Let me even make it easier for you, show us any citations or references from 1400 to 1800, a period of 400 years that says Benin had relationship with Ife.

2. Show us where Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were mentioned in Benin history in the 400 years before 1826.

You don't come here to throw around references without any specifics, pretending to know what your are saying, we have gone beyond that.

If you are saying Benin had any relationship with Ife between 1400 to 1826, you have to point it out in your citations and references.

Benin history was written down. You guys have been mutilating it to your advantage since you knew how to read and write.

I can bet you that none of your pre 1826 references even mentioned Ife specifically by name. If you say I am lying show us.

What you guys have been doing is pick a story/place from Benin history books and claim it as Ife not minding that the name, distance and direction of the place mentioned have no semblance to Ife.

The relationship Benin had with western Nigeria before 1826, was with eastern Yoruba, Ekiti, Owo, Akure and others such as Oyo and Lagos. Infact Benin already annexed and had a military garrison in Lagos that reported back daily to the Oba of Benin as early as 1602.

I repeat nothing in either Benin or Yoruba history books before 1826 mentioned Benin in connection with Ife.

Benin/Ife connection is a political history written in the late 1890s. This is why the relationship can't be proven earlier that the 1800s. Others like yourself have tried to prove it and failed woefully in the past, maybe you can have a stab at it and prove me wrong.

Others like yourself usually retorts to insults after failed attempts before running away from the thread, hope you will be different, please bring forth the evidence of Benin/Ife relationship before 1826.

I pity you, only if you know the beating TAO11 has received on this same subject in the past one year

I'm not interested in your egocentrism, so never mind. Enjoy your Bini fanatasy....

rhektor, the lair liar deal with this , since you crave for my attention:

lol. You see, this has nothing to do with West Africa purely but semitic origin of Yoruba. But since, you want to know about this, as I have mentioned Christianity and Islam have some beliefs in Yoruba Ifaodu. So, I stand by this view as stated by scholars befor me.

Contrary to your view, O dudu Iwa is a combined lexes with Iwa; part of a name associated with God. There is a calabash in which it's represented with it . Infact in one of the Odu in Ifaodu, Ela(Orunmila) supposedly married Iwa(metaphor) . Ask me for the chapter later.

Meanwhile, Dodo, Adimula etc are praise name associated with Ooni . So check it in Ooni's Oriki to nail your ignorance . Since you don't know that Dodo,Daoudu, Dauda Dauda are cognates historically then remained Ignoant. And Iwa, simply mean the unification of Ela and Perfect character of God(nature) :As Henry Drawel and Rowland Abiodun put it: ìwa l'ẹwà


Kindly study classic Hebrew and the Arabic name of English translation of David . Infact, from Classic Hebrew, Dodo is another variation of his name and YHWH as Yorubas IWA. Even on Yesua; go verify the meaning of Adimula Orisa Yeṣuà from traditional yoruba worshipper

Meanwhile proof these comparative names as
false: This is the reason I decided to educate both of you accordingly because the contnuum nature of this outstanding language and its peculiarities is yet to be resolved. But you are galivanting over ignorance. So enjoy these slightly different diacritics on Yoruba word while considering the polyphonic nature on them. Examples:

Emúrẹn,=Emúrin :Mosquitoes

Eló= Èló : how much?

Ekùsá=Èkùsẹ :ringworm

Ēgún=Egúngun : masquerade

Ēgun=Egungun: bone,skeleton

Êfí=Êfin : smoke

Ẹsin= Ìsin:religion

Kõkõ=koríko:grass

Iyãlá=Iyánla: grandmother

ìsẹ́= Sísẹ: denial

Ẹ̀Kẹ́wa=ÌKẹwa: tenth

lótitọ́=lõtọ: truely,sincerely

Èkù=Ekun: knife's handle,sword or cutlass

òtítọ́= õtọ́ :truth

otútù= õtù :cold

Eku =Èkúte: mouse,rat

Kôkò=kòríkò:wolf

Oritsẹ́=orishá

Orì=Orí

Are these words not Yoruba's diacritics ?

samuk:
Benin history was written down by various Europeans explorers, traders, priests, etc, that were eyewitnesses to it from the 1400s to 1897. It's can't be fabricated. No one can play politics with Benin history because it's cast in stone. The Benin know the difference between our real history and the created political history which Yoruba like to propagate as gospel truth.

People like us are not interested in the fairytales that started after 1897.

Unfortunately for you guys, Benin history is archived in the various European countries that encountered Benin including the Catholic church, all your lies will remain lies that can't be backed up earlier than the 1800s. In the future any serious historian and researcher can access these materials from European archives.

Most of what have been written since the 1800s have no semblance to what was written down by those that actually witnessed Benin history being made between 1400s to 1897.

All the times you see the truth, you keep propagating false information which can never stand the test of time.

The issue you keep raising up has been dealt with several times. Read more from the following writers :

Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis, the well-known Portuguese explorer Duarte Pacheco Pereira 's travel account

Henry Drewal and John Pemberton III with Rowland Abiodun

John Affons d’ Aveiro's account when hen he visited Benin in 1486

J.D. Barros, Da Asia (Lisbon, 1552)

A.F.C. Ryder, Benin and the Europeans. (London: Longman, 1969)

R.E. Bradbury, Benin Studies (ed.) Peter Morton Williams (Oxford University Press, 1973)

Michael Ediagbonya; INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF HUMANITIES AND CULTURAL STUDIES : (A study of the Portuguese-Benin Trade Relations: Ughoton as a Benin Port(1485 -1506)

TAO11:
Really? Did you just say no one lived at Iwo-Eleru c.13,000 years ago abi this is a typo ni??

Olu317, you must therefore now explain how & when the Iwo-Eleru skull (dated c13,000y.o.) got to Iwo-Eleru if it was merely BuRiEd there, and yet no one lived at Iwo-Eleru some 13,000 years ago.

Here are your choices/alternatives:

(1) It is the skull of a Hebrew tourist who visited Iwo-Eleru alone in c.13,000; died in Iwo-Eleru in the course of his tour; and was “BuRiEd” there in Iwo-Eleru, because there was ObViOuSLY no other human being living at Iwo-Elewu at the time, and as such there was no one to help with with the paper-work and costs involved in transporting his corpse back home to Hebrewland.

(2) It is the skull of an ancient Hebrew man, and this skull was excavated from Hebrewland only a couple of decades ago, only to be re-BuRiEd in Iwo-Eleru about the same time (some decades ago), and then only to be “excavated” from Iwo-Eleru by Shaw et al. in 1965.

I would assume that it can only be human being(s) who BuRiEd the skull in Iwo-Eleru.

However, I would like to hear from you (in case you’re willing to explain to us) that it was some Angels from Hebrewland who somehow BuRiEd it there.

You claimed that “No man lived in Iwo-Eleru ... The said fossil was BuRiEd there!”

As such, please inform us what exactly you mean by it was buried there.

Moreover, you must be willing to select your option from the two available choices/alternatives as shown again below:

(1) It is the skull of a Hebrew tourist who visited Iwo-Eleru alone in c.13,000; died in Iwo-Eleru in the course of his tour; and was “BuRiEd” there in Iwo-Eleru, because there was ObViOuSLY no other human being living at Iwo-Elewu at the time, and as such there was no one to help with with the paper-work and costs involved in transporting his corpse back home to Hebrewland.

(2) It is the skull of an ancient Hebrew man, and this skull was excavated from Hebrewland only a couple of decades ago, only to be re-BuRiEd in Iwo-Eleru about the same time (some decades ago), and then only to be “excavated” from Iwo-Eleru by Shaw et al. in 1965.

This sounds like what you typed while you were undergoing a brain surgery.

A comment which, as is to be expected is, incoherent as usual. I shake my head at your miserably failed life.

Wait a second!

Didn’t you say you’ve now understood the difference between skull and tools??

Please explain to me why I have to revisit teaching you that skull is different from tools.

Olu, you are a collossal failure.

Disgrace awaits me because I disgraced, rubbished, and drowned you??

I laugh at your wasted miserable life. Pray harder, you hear?

Cc: rhektor

Stop lamenting and provide information that validates archeological evidence of fossil human in Iwo Eleru whom you claimed Ocupied this place. And stop personalising issue with me and do the needful by posting evidence as I have done. Below is a screenshot what what were discovered in Iwo Eleru (Cave of Ashes).

samuk:
Few undisputed facts for you.

1. The Portuguese arrived Benin City in the 1400s, other Europeans followed. Between 1400s to late 1800s, the history of Benin was extensively documented by several Europeans and by 1600s the Catholic church established a post in Benin city with resident priests that continue to document Benin history.

2. From 1400s to 1800, Benin was not once documented by various Europeans to have had any relationship with Ife.

3. Between 1400s to 1800, Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were never mentioned in Benin history.

4. 1826 was the year the hinterland of Yoruba was first visited by the British, 400 years after the Europeans first visited Benin City. The Alaafin that was visited in 1826 told the British that he was waiting and relying on the Oba of Benin for military assistance to help with the war he was fighting with his neighbours.

4. In 1826 the Alaafin told the British that the Oba of Benin was his friend not his brother.

5. In 1826 Ife was not even mentioned to the British.

6. Ife only came into prominence after 1826 when it was recognised as a spiritual home to the Yoruba. Ife was where most people went to consult the Oracle and the Ooni was nothing but a priest.

7. Benin had no connections with Ife before 1826. No one can present any reference were Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were mentioned in Benin history in the 400 years before 1826.

8. Everything written after 1826 and referenced by the author are mostly fabrications upon fabrications by various writers. None of the 19th and 20th centuries references referenced by the author is supported by the Benin history that were documented by Europeans in the previous 400 years.

9. Benin/Ife connection is a modern day political fabrication and fairytale that can't be found in Benin history earlier than 1826.

10. Benin/Ife connection was fabricated after the fall of Benin kingdom/empire in 1897.

11. Organe Kingdom mentioned in Benin history in the 1400s was described as a distance of 20 moons/months from Benin and it was east of Benin. This was not Ife because Ife is west of Benin and not east as described, the distance from Benin to Ife was less than 20 months. Ife was not mentioned but Organe.

12. The author can only deceive the less informed about Benin history.

13. Benin documented history is 400 years older than Ife history that started after 1826.

14. It's funny when those that are not just your junior but 400 years your junior begin to claim seniority, this can only happen in Nigeria.

15. No matter how many times a lie is told by many people, it can never become truth. Benin history from 1400s to 1800s, a period of 400 years is very well established and doesn't support modern day Benin/Ife fairytale.

Liar

rhektor:
Olú olù
Daoduiwa/Dodoiwa/Dudduiwa/Doodooiwa? Which Yorùbá head is that?
What we have is Dáódù which is the male eldest son in a family Olu317 you are a fraud suffering from inferiority complex
2. Which 13 Hebrew kingdom is this boy talking about? Hebrew (children of Jacob/Israel are 12, only 11 of them have city states where did the 13 sprang from?

3. How many kings did David attacked in the ancient world? You just have to do cherry picking just to suit this your silly Yorùbá Hebrew narrative?

4. You jumped to Odùduwà when it suits your lies then switched to Osangangan in the same context
Are these two people the same, I mean Odùduwà and Osangangan?

5 . Where did you get the meaning of Yéṣùà from in the Yorùbá language? What did it mean?


Olu317 you're a fraud, your lies will be destroyed here one after the other. I have promised you since you lied in the other thread about using Ìjẹ̀bú dialect I won't let go of you. You have had enough time on nairaland deceiving people

TAO11 your boy is at it again

Liar

TAO11:
First of all, I must commend you for finally grasping the difference between skull and tools.

You feigned dumb earlier, but after severe dragging, you succumbed to the pressure of common sense.

Having said that, you still haven’t answered my very same question — that is:

Are you saying that there are no such archaeological research of the Middle Niger Valley in present-day Nigeria which dates the existence of humans in the region to circa 40,000 y. o. on the basis of their tools and other implements??

Or are you simply saying that you are starkly ignorant of any such archaeology research of the Middle Niger Valley in what is now Nigeria??

These two are different and distinct. Do not mix them up. I need to know which of these two is your case so I can address you (i.e. ‘disgrace you’ with evidence, or ‘educate you’ with evidence) accordingly.

So, please make your specific case known. Thanks!

Ignorant? Think again. Lol.

Secondly: Yes, I love to mock fraudsters like you. And I do so with facts and superior argumentation.

Not yet. And for two reasons:

(1) You struggled (or at least pretended to struggle) to understand the difference between skull and tools.

For the umpteenth time, the Iwo-Eleru skull dates to c.13,000 years, but the existence of human groups in the Nigerian region dates to circa 40,000 years on the basis of the find of their tools and other implements.

I had to first make sure that you admit to understand the difference between skull and tools before I would cite the scholarly references.

Now that we’ve cleared that off the way (since you’ve now admitted to have now gotten the difference), we move then to the second reason why I am yet to cite the scholarly references to that effect.

(2) The second (and remaining) issue that really has to be trashed out before I would proceed to cite the scholarly references is the issue of the actual position you have on this. To quote my words on this again:

“Are you saying that there are no such archaeological research of the Middle Niger Valley in present-day Nigeria which dates the existence of humans in the region to circa 40,000 y. o. on the basis of their tools and other implements??

Or are you simply saying that you are starkly ignorant of any such archaeology research of the Middle Niger Valley in what is now Nigeria??

These two are different and distinct. Do not mix them up. I need to know which of these two is your case so I can address you (i.e. ‘disgrace you’ with evidence, or ‘educate you’ with evidence) accordingly.

So, please make your specific case known. Thanks! ”

So get this remaining issue out of the way first, then you would see me cite the scholarly reference to that effect. Okay? The ball is in your court. Help yourself.

Just how you shoot yourself in the skull every time. Isn’t it? Lol.

To highlight how ret@rded your reasoning is now, you are actually suggesting that the discovery of only one skull at Iwo-Eleru proves that only one human being lived at Iwo-Eleru in c.13,000 BC.

Now read that again (in light of your own comment) and tell me how reta@rded you feel.

Like I always say, one of your problem is the fact that you jump on BiG words which you have no clue what they mean. Now you’ve exposed yourself again as an illiterate. Who did this to you?

Going forward, make sure to always understand the significance of words you intend to use (or cite) prior to using (or citing) them. Taking this precaution going forward would help you appear less dumb.

To educate you again (as I do), the acronym “LSA” in your screenshot/comment, means “Late Stone Age”.

In order words, your screenshot wasn’t talking about Middle Stone Age humans. It’s focus, instead, was on Late Stone Age humans.

In contrast, my comment on the existence of humans in the Nigeria region in circa 38,000 B.C.E. wasn’t w.r.t. LSA humans. Rather, it was w.r.t. MSA humans.

The following are my exact words as is shown in my earlier comment on this same thread:

“Middle Stone Age groups of humans roamed parts of the Middle Niger Valley in what is now Nigeria.”

This foregoing point defeats whatever you’d intended with that scholarly screenshot whose words you have no clue on to begin with.

To inform the sane readers who have being following this, the Late Stone Age period in the history of West Africa is specifically characterized by the knowledge of “agriculture” which slowly transformed wanderers to settlers.

Another important technological advancement of this period (apart from the knowledge of agriculture) was the knowledge of “pottery”.

In contrast, the MSA period (i.e. the focus period in my comment) was characterized by roaming humans who haven’t yet come to discover agriculture.

As such, they made their living only by gathering food in the forest, and by hunting/fishing. The knowledge of pottery was also yet to be discovered during this MSA period — until in the LSA when human groups began to settle down owing to the discovery of agriculture — that is, farming and animal domestication.

Yes, I am quite certain that this is supposed to be your attempt at comedy, as a coping mechanism for the trauma I’m inflicting on you.

Guess what! You still failed even at comedy.

Lol. If you read my replies up to this point, then you must be terribly embarrassed at yourself for writing this specific line.

Next time make sure to know the difference between MSA and LSA, and understand what your screenshots say before posting them to embarrass yourself.

Read to understand and stop being a disgrace to the Yorubas.

Cheers.
Cc: rhektor

No man lived in Iwo Eleru,Mr . Liar.Just own up that you're not coherent with the information on this place. The said fossil was buried there! .

The next arguement is who buried this said fossil primate ? I mock at your ignorance.I came up with a leeway,inwhich I menntioned pottery and I provided information on Iwo Eleru researchers account and you try to twist it ?But here you're as usual wanting to proof a baseless point. Proof 40,000 years existence of fossil man as you claim. Period

You see, someone like me naturally compliment a scholar but for you to proof a false against me , disgrace await you TAO11. Wait and watch

TAO11:
You’re on an ally seeking mission to float your sinking ship.

Don’t bother because I will only sink you further, and I will rescue your target prey from you. Watch!

(1) Yes the Yoruba word aṣọ translates to cloth (as well as clothe(s)) in English.

(2) However, the Yoruba word àlà does NOT translate simply to white, purity, or holiness in English.

(3) The Yoruba word for white, purity, and holiness, instead, are funfun, mímọ́, and ìwà mímọ́ respectively.

(4) The Yoruba word àlà translates into white cloth — not just anything white.

(5) Given the fact that àlà itself means white cloth, the Yoruba phrase aṣọ àlà can thus only mean “clothe(s) [made from] white cloth,” NOT white cloth itself.

(6) You are therefore terribly wrong to claim that the Yoruba phrase aṣọ àlà means white cloth. No it does not mean that.

(7) Moreover, the phrase aláṣọ àlà has a somewhat more profound nuance in the following sense:

IF the word aláṣọ is used to convey the specific sense of wearer (rather than the more generic sense of owner), then it is already implicit that the aṣọ here is clothe(s) — i.e., sewn garment, etc.

Thus, aláṣọ àlà in this context would translate word-for-word (explicitly) as follows: “the wearer of [clothe(s) made from] white cloth”.

In other words, the word “clothe(s)” within parenthesis is already implied from (and inherent in) the words “the wearer”.

As such, the words within parenthesis may be left unspelt out.

(8 ) @Olu317, rather than misdirect your energy into attaching a screenshot of aṣọ, I would have expected you to attach a screenshot that says “Àlà is white, purity, holiness”. That would have been easier.

(9) @Fregeneh, this reply to @Olu317 is to disillusion you from his delusions. He is sunk already. And I am not shying away from taking responsibility for sinking him.

This detailed reply of mine is to sink him even further. Olu, I will keep exposing you to all our people all over Nairaland for the fraud that you are.

Cheers!

Screeenshot answers you. "King of all things white emanated from".( Oba ti Ala)

TAO11:
You’re on an ally seeking mission to float your sinking ship.

Don’t bother because I will only sink you further, and I will rescue your target prey from you. Watch!

(1) Yes the Yoruba word aṣọ translates to cloth (as well as clothe(s)) in English.

(2) However, the Yoruba word àlà does NOT translate simply to white, purity, or holiness in English.

(3) The Yoruba word for white, purity, and holiness, instead, are funfun, mímọ́, and ìwà mímọ́ respectively.

(4) The Yoruba word àlà translates into white cloth — not just anything white.

(5) Given the fact that àlà itself means white cloth, the Yoruba phrase aṣọ àlà can thus only mean “clothe(s) [made from] white cloth,” NOT white cloth itself.

(6) You are therefore terribly wrong to claim that the Yoruba phrase aṣọ àlà means white cloth. No it does not mean that.

(7) Moreover, the phrase aláṣọ àlà has a somewhat more profound nuance in the following sense:

IF the word aláṣọ is used to convey the specific sense of wearer (rather than the more generic sense of owner), then it is already implicit that the aṣọ here is clothe(s) — i.e., sewn garment, etc.

Thus, aláṣọ àlà in this context would translate word-for-word (explicitly) as follows: “the wearer of [clothe(s) made from] white cloth”.

In other words, the word “clothe(s)” within parenthesis is already implied from (and inherent in) the words “the wearer”.

As such, the words within parenthesis may be left unspelt out.

(8 ) @Olu317, rather than misdirect your energy into attaching a screenshot of aṣọ, I would have expected you to attach a screenshot that says “Àlà is white, purity, holiness”. That would have been easier.

(9) @Fregeneh, this reply to @Olu317 is to disillusion you from his delusions. He is sunk already. And I am not shying away from taking responsibility for sinking him.

This detailed reply of mine is to sink him even further. Olu, I will keep exposing you to all our people all over Nairaland for the fraud that you are.

Cheers!

Since it is hard for you comprehend simple Yoruba devoid of some error by CMS dictionary writers of Yoruba to English translation. Perhaps, itp another person, ObalufonIII's when he defined Obatala ," King of white cloths or king of all things white,emanated from". And you assented

But here you trying to defend such against my view in which authors such as Professor Abimbola Wande, Chief Awodele Fayemi,Adeyinka Olaiya Falokun Fatunmbi ,Babasehinde Ademuleya, Abimbola, Wande , Ajanaku, Fabgemi 1970,Awolalu, J and Dopamu, P.A.Idowu, Bolaji wrote about Yoruba creation myth and all agree to the meaning of Elaa/Ala as a light

Below screenshot answers you .

TAO11:
Thank you for putting the dullard in his place.

He’s trying to play dumb on the human bone vs tools/implements thang.

Olu317 is irredeemable.

LIAR, post the tool with journal's account backing it up. I laugh at your ignorance. I posit with evidence ,Mr liar and not epistle.... .Learn humility

Ignorant you enjoy mockery of people .And now, you have not posted any scholarly journal to proof your point of 40,000 years of either fossil primate or your so called other tool existing as far back as you claim.

Interestingly, without fossil hominid, who will produce any tool ? Mr, liar, know that one of the closest to Iwo Eleru is Shuma laka.And as far as present research is concerned there is no other Pleistocene LSA succession in West Africa comparable to Shum Laka. As already remarked, pottery came into use at that site at about the same time as at Iwo Eleru. At Ounjougou, in Mali, there is a radiocarbon date of 8700±75 BP directly associated with pottery at Ravin du Hibou(Huysecom et al., 2004a,2004b; Raeli and Huysecom, 2004).

Note: lick your wound liarbecause you pride yourself above your superior. I likened you the devil Ọlọ́wọ̀ (a personage who ought be respectful in nature) challenged Ọ̀rúnmìlà due to envying .

Below screenshot still null your cunny tool ,you intend to sneak into it.

TAO11:
Laugh your ass out? Perhaps you should try to laugh your brains in. Olu the fraud oo.

Anyways to disprove someone, it is not enough to say words — words like “you failed,” “you lied,” etc.

No! You must also provide evidence that would proves your allegation — just as I have been doing to you.

And if you can’t provide such evidence, then you are fallen, and you have no case.


Oh really!? I lied? Let’s see. Lol.

You see, one of your biggest undoing is that you want to always sound intelligent, and as such you fall into the trap of using “BiG” terms that you yourself have no clue what they mean.

First of all, my words as attached & highlighted below does not by any means contain the words “hominid fossil,” or any word/s to the same effect.

Now to educate you (since you’ve used a word bigger than you), a “hominid fossil” refers to the preserved remains of bones (from the skeleton) of a human [or non-human] primate from the distant past.

Now show me where this notion or anything to this very same effect is mentioned in my screenshot, you pathetic, pathological, fatuous, ignorant liar.

Stop trying too hard. Yes, the Iwo Eleru skull is the oldest human bone found yet in the whole of West Africa. This is almost common knowledge.

However, hominid fossil (e.g. human bones) are not the only discoverable archaeological evidence of human existence in an area. You didn’t know this, or did you?

I will state it again, archaeological evidence of human existence in the area now known as Nigeria dates to c. 40,000 years ago. Middle Stone Age groups of humans roamed parts of the Middle Niger Valley in what is now Nigeria.

To spoon feed you, these early groups left behind the remains of their tools and other implements. These have been dated by archaeologists to c. 40,000 y.o.

Like I have once asked you, are you saying that there are no such archaeological research, or are you only admitting your ignorance of such information??

Please point out which of these two applies to you so I can reply accordingly. I need to know whether I am to debunk your ‘agnorance,’ or I’m to rescue you from your ignorance. Please make a choice.

“Out of the abundance of the heart,” they say, “the mouth speaks”.

In other words, you’ve obviously been thinking about deactivating your account given what I am making you go through. Lol.

Yes, that’s the TAO-syndrome. Ask the Edo bigot, viz. @Truthshot.

Lol. Did I ask you to define hominid fossil? Ofcourse not.
What is the bone of contention ? That you sneakily lied to claimed 40,000 years of fossil existence in Niger valley, to be older than Iwo Eleru which is false. Below is the attached screenshots, In which you throw caution to the wind by misleading people on this platform .

However studies clearly show that the population of this area n the early and mid Holocene was not homogeneous. But so far, Iwo Eleru retains its status as the earliest known excavated burial in the region. Thus no fossil of any kind is yet to be proven that's older than Iwo Eleru's burial site

TAO11:
LMAO!

@Rhektor come and see something oo. Olu-the-fraud said he doesn’t want to transliterate “TAO” into Arabic because it is already written using Roman orthography.

I guess I should have written it in Arabic orthography for him first before I then ask him to also write it using Arabic orthography. What a higher dimension to Olu’s foolishness!

Okay @Olu317, since you hate my name so badly (as is to be expected), will you then agree to transliterate the word “sixty” using Arabic letters.

Transcribe that on paper, snap, and then attach your transcription here on this thread in reply to one of my requests.

Do something Olu, you are drowning already. We must verify your self-acclaimed assertion of Arabic knowledge.

Prove your self-acclaimed assertion by attaching the requested Arabic transcription (NOT translation) of the word “sixty”.

Cheers!

See rhetorics ? Lmao! After all, you failed because you lied. Meanwhile, i intend to expose your lies about 40,000 years of hominid fossil in Niger valley as shown below. Your evil heart will make this revelation become reality because of your vulgar word usage.Iwo Eleru(Cave of ashes) is the oldest in West Africa and not up to 14,000 years.


Las las, you will change your Moniker .