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rhektor:
The "ba mi" in kare o ba mi does not mean king in that sentence sir, whoever attribute it to mean king is a fraud and if you're a speaker of Yoruba language either Eastern , Central or Nothern Yorùbá, you can never attribute that to mean king.

NB: I am from the Ẹ̀gbá sub, and I have interacted with my mother's people from Ìjẹ̀bú, non I repeat non of these people has ever attributed ba to mean king, the closet you can get in this is "iba" which mean father

Please, let's not destroy our heritage because of personal glory. Yorùbá tradition, language as well as culture is bigger than any of us.

Peace

Lol! Ok ,what does Ka re Ba mi / Ka re O ba mi ? Perhaps explain what you know

Meanwhile, "Ba mi is/means "my lord"/ "My king". This word is indiscretly used on my lineage to praise princes or King. Beside,it is a word adopted by chritian Yorubas to acknowledge God as lord,father,king etc over them.

Again, "Bami" is also a generic word used by elders,most often elderly man to salute a younger one after the latter had greeted the elderly one in a respectful way.

Are you aware that no Yoruba dialects is inferior to any others. So, dont get me wrong. I am a researcher, which has given priviledge to me to know some word that are ancient Yorubas words which are used sparingly in one area for something and something else in another or at best homophone. Take for example: Àrẹ(Crown) and Àrẹ(lord/leader).

Lastly, I am never egocentric or chasing after self glory as you dim it fit on me which you rhetorically used the word on me, but I have never done such in the past or present nor such occuring in the future. I am only privilege to know what many do not know.


Cheers.........

Creation myth in Ifaodu of Yoruba:

Obatala and Ogun remained attested to by the fact that most of the ese Odu about creation are found in Odu’s containing either Ogbe or Ogunda or a combination of both (Ogbe is the Odu that incarnates Obatala, and Ogunda incarnates Ogun).

So,in this account Obatala completed the task of creating:
Orisanla’ who is also known as (Obatala’) was the arch-divinity who was chosen by Eledumare, the supreme deity to create a solid land out of the primordial abyss that constituted the earth and of populating the land with human beings. He descended from Orun (the invisible realm, the realm of the ancestors) into Aiye (the visible realm) on a chain, carrying a snail shell full of earth, palm kernels and a five-toed chicken.

He was to empty the content of the snail shell on the water after placing some pieces of iron on it, and then to place the chicken on the earth to spread it over the primordial water by doing what chickens do, which is to scratch at the ground. According to this version of the myth, Obatala completed this task to the satisfaction of Olodumare. He was then given the task of making the physical body of human beings after which Olodumare would give them the breath of life (emi). He also completed this task and this is why he has the title of "Obarisa" the "King of Orisas". Ìbà Obàtálà, Òrìsà Òséré Igbó. Oni kùtúkùtú awo òwúrò, Ikù iké, Oba pàtà - pàtà tí won gb'odé ìranjè.
I respect the Spirit of the King of White Cloth who is praised at the Sacred Grove. Owner of the Ancient Mystery of the White Cloth,the Spirit Who is praised on the sacred day of the Forest, Guardian of those with physical disabilities. King of all future generations.

This account showered Praise on Oduduwa as the one who completed creation:
The other variant of the cosmogenic myth does not credit Obatala with the completion of the task. While it concedes that Obatala was given the task, it avers that Obatala got drunk on palm wine even before he got to the earth and he fell asleep. Eledumare got worried when he did not return on time, so he sent Oduduwa, Obatala’s younger brother, to find out what was going on. When Oduduwa found Obatala drunk, he simply took over the task and completed it. He created land. The spot on which he landed from Orun and which he redeemed from water to become land is called Ile-Ife, considered the sacred and spiritual home of the Yoruba.


In the Odu Okanran Ogunda there is another version of the creation myth that is not well known. In this version, it is Orunmila (the Prophet, Orisa that represents Olodumare’s wisdom) who carries the snail shell full of the substance which creates land upon the primordial waters. The Snail Shell was taken from the seat of Olodumare and given to Orunmila with the authority to create the earth. In the process of creation, Orunmila dipped his hands into the snail shell and took out measures of earth-dust (Oro, primordial matter) with which land was created on the primordial waters.

Odu Osa Ogunda
There-were-no-living-things
Was the priest on earth
That-which-was-suspended
But-did-not-descend
Was the priest in heaven
All-was-just-empty-space
With-no-substance
Was the priest of Mid-Air
It was divined for Aiye and Orun*
When they both exited
With no inhabitants
In the two empty snail shells,
There were neither birds nor spirits
Living in them
Odumare then created himself
Being the Primal cause
Which is the reason we call Odumare
The only wise one in aiye
He is the only cause in creation,
The only wise one in Orun,
Who created humans.
When He had no companion,
He applied wisdom to the situation
To avert any disaster.
You, alone,
The only one in Orun
Is the name of Odumare
The only wise one,
We give you thanks,
The only knowing mind,
You created man.
Listening to one side of an argument,
You judge, and all are pleased.


In another verse from Osa Ogunda, it says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,”
which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the land of the living in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” The dew drops are particles of Oro – primordial matter - contained in the snail shell (in the creation myth oro is the earth that Obatala was carrying when he descended down the chain). Once empty, the shell remains as the representation of the base of causation from which matter derived.

The “goodness” speaks to eniyan – human beings. Eniyan translates as “the chosen ones.” This suggests that all humans have been chosen by Olodumare to continue bringing goodness to the earth. The oro then melted and was suspended in mid-air (referred to in the above Odu verse as the “priest of mid-air”). Oro then dropped (from Okanran Owonrin);
Oro gbe nu agba gbin kin
Oro ku
Oro ke
Oro gi
Oro la
Oro to ja ninu agba o tobi bi agbe
A dia fun Oro-oro oro
Nigba un o ri enikan ba soro
Mo gba ngbin
ase

Oro, the cause of great concern for the wise and experienced elders
It sounds, “Ku” (making the heart miss a beat)
“Ke” (as a ponderous object hitting the ground)
“Gi” (making the last sound before silence)
and “La”, with a loud cracking sound is transformed into a new state called “Ela.”
The oro that drops from the elderly is stupendous
It was divined for Oro-oro oro
Who did not have anyone to communicate with and he started groaning:
Oro, as primordial matter, has an innate urge to communicate:
HOORO, HOO-RO! (Ogbon, Imo, Oye, descend!)
Olodumare made HOO
(Ogbon, Imo, Oye)
HOO descended to become Hoo-ro.

Ela made Oro digestible and useful to human needs
Ela is the manifestation of the primal urge to communicate. It is the link between human and God; human and human; and human and the universe. This extensionistic conception, prevalent in all religions, is Oro, which manifested is Ela.

Who was the first to speak?
Ela was the first to speak.
Who was the first to communicate?
Ela was the first to communicate.
Who is this Ela?
It was the Hoo which descended
That we call Ela.

“The word “Ela” literally means “I am light" from the elision e- ala. The ability to become one with the Spirit of Ela is the ability to use Ori as a portal between the visible world and the invisible world. When an Awo is in an altered state of consciousness the thing that passes between dimensions is pure unformed ase symbolically referred to as ala or white light.

There is a Yoruba phrase, Ori-Ooro, which means, “head at dawn,” dawn being the beginning obviously. Thus, at one level of meaning, that is as oro being the earth dust in the snail shell and each ori having it's small pinch within it, we can say that Ori is Oro, and Oro is Ori: Individual manifestation is Ori.( Falokun Fatumbi)

rhektor:
Fake

Are you sure you know what you are up against? Perhaps you need pull down your statement else I will post dictionary that nullified your statement which you ignorant termed my post as , 'fake'.

Seriously, I am highly disappointed in you for this postulation of yours because I have ne'er imagined that you amongst others here will not know these words exist in Yoruba lexicon. Anyway, I hope you know I am not competing with you or anyone here but if you so choose ,then ,that is self inflicted beef , because you're flawful over your view. Below is the screenshot of one among Yoruba dictionary that proofs me correct. No need for beef because you're 100% wrong.



Cheers

rhektor:
Bro

Ba =/= king
Ba could mean reign, supersede, oversee, cover etc but never king stop this please

Are you for real ? Ba'ile/ Bälè means what ?

Well, knowledge is eternal.The ancient Yoruba actually developed their language in accordance to what superiority stands for. So, if you dont understand it perhaps,you should note that, my understanding of Yoruba language isnt of Oyo or Lagos form of Yoruba language but dialects of Eastern or Central Yoruba language.

Having affirm this, ba is also king ; reign over. Kindly check oriki of kings whose panegyric states, 'Ka re o ba mi',(literally,'well done my king')for more understanding.

Contrary to your view, I have not seen anywhere supersede is used by Yorubas either in ancient times,which can be found in Yoruba dictionary or modern day Yorubas. Even as a slang , I havent come across such except you have information to that effect. And I will kindly ask you to inform me.

Creation myth of the Yorubas Loading

O+ bã[Obá]Ọ+bã[Ọbá]

The O is a personal pronoun; used for he,she, it,him,her aux.verb, adverb(of assent).And used also as prefix.

O(aux.verb)+Bä(n)

The Ọ is a pronoun for thee,thou(you)in Yoruba language.So also as contraction of Iwọ Is used originally among age grade which shows no form of respect. Instead ìrẹ is more apt.

Furthermore Ọ is also used as pronoun for his her,it, she, he. And used as verb and prefix as well among Yorubas for owner.

O= one,the,
bä=king
Lù=lord
fọn=speaks

Obalufon= king vast in speech; utterance.

The ignorants will claim god of peace of the kingdom is Ọbälùfọ̀n

Bá = to meet,to overtake,to locate at a place
Bá=with,against
Bã=to lie in wait,to lurk,to couch,hide,etc
Bà=bend,bent
Bà=to perch
Bà=to hit the mark,to germinate
Bà=strain through seive,ask for beforehand
ìbá/bá=should would
ìbá=fever
ìbà=to rank a man,powerful man
Bã=lord over,king,father
ìbá=lord,father ,king
ùbá=lord ,king, father
ábá=lord, king , father
Bãbã=master,highly placed man,priest, grandfather
Bãbā= father,holy father,
Bàbá= Alias for a highly respected man
Bàbà=guinea corn, copper
Bābá=a great thing
Bãbà=small thing
Bàbà=betoken the hovering of a bird

absoluteSuccess:
Thank God you are no longer thinking like a spectator but like a target. When I discussed this issue with a barister, he said have you explore the possibility that you wanted to be scammed?

That kind of thinking is the spectator opinion. The lady that got killed recently was offered a phantom job, was she scammed, then the scammer care less if she dies.

Psychopath in his den can do anything. He's the king of the jungle. He's free to kill, to steal and to destroy. He can steal from you, and also do the rest of the kill. It's not the first time I've been lured by this same fellow.

The first time was around 2015, by a lady luring to come to Akure. One thing led to the other and I raised alarm here. Obalunfon was taking side with him then and one of his comments this assailants ulterior motive.

The day I raised alarm, the lady luring me to Akure disappeared from the WhatsApp profile picture. It got me wandering what's going on with the contact and my post here? So, history repeats itself recently again.

I'm not the only one this guy is targeting. But not taking the bait makes him ran out of ideas as at the moment.



What would have been our common fate if he has not given up? What in your own idea did you desire to do to him that would have been a sad thing?

I leave you to compare the contrast.

As far as I am concern, I dont get scared over threat as such. My dear brother no leaf falls from its branch without the knowledge of Eledumare. So, I am not afraid of any man because I am destined for unique accomplishment on this planet earth.

On the otherside, I have read carefully what you posted and I'm tempted to wonder how certain people reason as regard Yoruba identity. Need I posit here that 9Jacrip is still active on this platform,when you mentioned Obalufon II . Perhaps, I may be wrong but pattern of posting at times easily gives one's identity away.

Nevertheless, I am not strange to some pointed out information from you which made me answered you all along in my school of thought. The reality from my ancestral oriki has taken care of these different daily human challenges. As a result of these things, I see these hatred as just jealously and an attempt to stop the elision of God, Ela achieving his works on earth. But certainly we motarl that are immortal. So, I work with my Ori(Ela) and don't struggle with him.

On a seriously note, take it easy and stay careful but stand firm on what you stand for your God compel you to do with being fearful. Meanwhile, Iam not a simple man,even if I am calm and focus. Gentility is not a sign of cowardice. In regard to this, I shall posit here that we need not scare anyone who has tangible information to share as regard Yoruba nation because over 3000 books have been written to know Yoruba's identity.

Least, I forget, I'll send you a name of a renowned Egyptologist on Fb so that you can send her a request in other to see her posts. You see, there are latest information on Egyptians history that will wow you.



Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
So, you can compare the story behind just a single line of statement made by this fellow, he's overconfidence and very sure I'm unaware of what's going on.

I'm unaware, but I'm Yoruba and very conversant with the nuances of how life often play out like old folktales, "Erin karele o wajoba, eweku-ewele".

Originally, the conversation I'm referring to as to the couple of millions was the last thing I heard as I was about alighting from the car.

"...So how about Segun? Okay send 2 million." A man who has lost 10 million to a staff wouldn't have a staff send 2 million on his behalf.

Rather, the whole business of the day has just finished, the next target identified as a fool is taken already. The first caller is the mastermind.

So, it was a business discussion between the mastermind and the contractor. The fee agreed upon is being haggle and agreed upon.

Although I marketed myself at a mastermind's prodding, but God bought back my life and I escaped from the sneer of the Fowler.

Psychopaths have their deadly devotions.

Seriously, one need be careful.

absoluteSuccess:
Ase ase ase wa ntireke.

Oyeku mo ba O mule, mama se dami,
Inu bibi eru niiperu, edofufu niipawofa,
Ile dida niipore, alajobi nii payekan t'oba sebi....

Agbori Ile ajeku, agbori Ile ajeja, agbori Ile ajegbin, ase dowo Ile ajomu.

Emi dupe temi o, Ela kiribiti,
omo elejemu.

Odu Oyeku.

My brother, I didn't share this information earlier. I have his contact, because he called me and told me one Thursday morning that a man will call me in 20 minutes time to discuss business with me, that was the first day.

That call was out of the ordinary call I used to receive. When the second caller came through, I picked it and book appointment for the day. I told my wife my suspicion and she asked me not to meet the man.

However, he called about 5 times and at last I picked the call. The hook was, "are you not a mixer?" He said one fellow recommended me that I am conversant with herbs. Now he wants to produce some spices and needs my help.

That's what persuaded me. Meanwhile, it's on this site I've made a post about my mixture, sometimes 26 December 2018.

The guy that seems not to be involved, who called me first and made the connection knows so much about me on this forum. He's the one to whom the stranger pretending to be helper would be reporting to.

He's the one he went to tell that they have me already when I eventually brought out the same product I was promoting here on nairaland. So, I've been trapped. They have my contact and all that, just for me to fall for the trap and disappear.

He's the same man that the contractor was giving the closing feed just before I alighted from the Camry, and was asked, how about Seguin? And he mentioned a particular million like that. I felt so lucky that day meeting such a "millionaire".

But there's something he told me on the table before we left the Iblis that did not sit well with the millions: he said one of his workers had once ran away with his 10 million, and he soon bounce back. I didn't doubt that.

But if so, he would have put stringent condition in place afterwards that no staff will be able to move a million in his stead. So, this million he's discussing is the price for my head and that of a Segun.

He's closing sales on the deal that began in the morning. The person on the phone at the other end was the guy that called me in the morning to connect the two of us. According to him, I "market myself" by so doing.

During the covid 19 period, I just felt you are scarce, and all the puzzle I've been trying to solve about this clique dawn on me as I recalled your name.

To my surprise, the first caller of the fateful day in question reacted to my suspicion about jungle don mature. He edited off that part on his WhatsApp profile picture.

When I also said the custard is what they feed their victims in the jungle, he removed the profile picture completely.

You know we are dealing with powerful mediocres mostly here. Even this criminal is a mediocre himself. If I've missed the person in question, and now accuses the wrong person, the true criminal should be happy that he's taken for another person.

This true criminal has no access to the person I'm mistaken him for, so how on earth will he edit his profile picture? It's such a binance, but cleverness kill the cat, he exposed himself trying to hide, helping me to figure him out and unravel his intentions.

The very moment that the guy he sent to contact me said a friend gave him my number and that we are members on a WhatsApp group, my mind said "Macof". And bakan sa lo se mo ibi ti mo ngbe.

He got to know where I am presently through the information I gave out while I was "trying to market [my]self." That's according to him in response to my death threat against him.

That piece of information is the hint that the man who took me to Iblis relayed my contact to him when he left the table. I had cold at that particular time, like the man has left to betray my contact.

To hide my cold, I began chit chat with the driver, who might be an Uber. It took a little while before the man came back to the table. My cold had subsided by then.

Seriously, I am shocked at this your level of your revelation on this setup by this unscropulous entity .Nevertheless, ãbò Ẹ̀là lì'lè lòkò lọ'nà lọjà àtí libì gbògbò ãbò ẹ à bò 'à l'àṣẹ̀ ẹ̀lẹ̀dùmàrè.

sonmvayina:
I have interest too in Yorba mythology. But will be more interested in igbo traditional religion or omenani. I know lucifer is oshun, she is also Mary the mother of Jesus, Ishtar, astarte, inanna , apheodite...

She is the orisha of love, war and death...

Ther is no lucifer in ancient Hebrew Torah,written in ideograms . These ideogram have been continously transliterated and translated to mean 'adversary'. And the word in theTorah is not same as English interpretation made it to be. It

Funnily, Yoruba tradition has no room for any rivalry with the Eledumare or Ela,who was/is the voice of Eledumare,and wreath with every other power that is in Yoruba's ori(God's head-Ela-Eledumare). So, devil is just anti human and not human being,which theyare known in Yoruba as ṣọtẹ̀ní.Ọṣùn being defied has history as a woman but later in life became venerated. It is just as my ancestors were defied as I stand to be defied .


Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
The man is an older nairaland user, he registered a new account to silence me when I came on board, but "ipa t'a n pose, ara lofinsan'.

He's a fake Yoruba trying to hypnotize the audience from buying into my claims, long before you came on board. However, being honest and prolific save the day.

And indeed, thanks so much for your versatile assistance and erudition. He has said on the Hebrew tribe thread that we don't represent Yoruba interest.

Please what leader in Yoruba history is ever believed to represent Yoruba interest? Yoruba "interest" is to do your best in whatever your beat is, regardless of whose ox is gored.

At best you lose your life. Igbawo gan ni maku o nii ku? Do your best and live the rest. "Yoruba interest" is to get you stopped, God's interest is to lead you on.

His aja (syndicate) is a well trained man, they have a website that they used to lure their victim. It's a premium website, I almost fell for it, if not for a very subtle technical details.

First, it's a website registered since 2013, but there is no pixs of a happy customer, a naive staff or brand ambassador.

There's no human face to the site, so to whom does it communicate? Not even a picture of the farm that the agro-allied firm have in their address is good enough for citation on their website.

They only have a picture of a mansion in faraway Budapest. I couldn't find a correlation between their business interest and the mansion. Can you arrest a building in case of litigation?

It just gave me the clue that this folks are into "money", guymen, dangerous clique that gives you the run for your money or hack you to death should you cross their path.

It's a network thing. I didn't take the bait, hence I can say this much. I put a lot of things into writing here, but I equally have a memory of what I've shared lest it comes around to haunt me.

The web of evil will eventually trap the wicked for all his evil against the innocent.

This is a bewilderment before me. But no evil person goes free. And for a good cause, Ela the creator of mankind will always be our guide if these allegations against this guy and his cohort is true.

Nevertheless, no man has power over other man except one's Ori allows,which is the reason,Elaohun( the first to speak ) will not allow any form of evil to these magnitude to triumph over you, I and everyone who works for the identity , freedom of Yoruba Race, because the mercy of Eleri-Ipin will be ours saviour . Ìgbá ọdùn làyé ọdùn kán lí fú ẹní àyàn to dífà ko
Ọrùmíẹ̀là. The diviner placed his divination tray on the floor and cast his opele string on it. The Ifa divination signature that the opele forms is oyeku meji. Ọrunmila recited the attached odu verse as follows:

Iwo yeku, emi yeku,
oyeku di meji, o diji
(I dodge death, you dodged death} (Two oyeku verse loom so formidably)

A difa fun Kowa
A dìfá fun Tamedu
(Ifa divination was performed for Kowa) (And also for Tamedu)

Nijo ti Lakasegbe,

N fi omi oju sogbere omo

(On the day that Lakasegbe) .(Was crying due to barrenness)

Won ni ki i se ti igbin,
Ko dubule lai ni ikarahun
(It is unlike the snail) (To sleep outside of its shell)

Won ni ki i se ti oka,
Ko dubule lai loro inu(It is unlike the viper) (To sleep without its poison)

Won ni ki i se ti ire, Ko dubule lai han gaaraga(It is unlike the cricket) (To sleep without making grating noises)

Won ni iran ọ́gá
Ki i rin lai ni igba aso. (Not a single chameleon) (Moves without a suitcase loaded with a thousand clothes/apparel )


Won ni orumiela ko rubo,
Ko ru eku meji oluwere (They asked him to offer a sacrife) (Two swift-running rodents)

Won ni ko ru eja meji abiwe gbada, Won ni ko ru obidie meji abedo lule luke
(Two giant fishes with huge laps) (Two massive hens)

Ewure meji abamu rederede,Einla meji to fi iwo sosuka (Two pregnant goats) (Two deers with curled horns)

O gbo riru ebo o ru,
O gbo titu atukesu, o tu(He listened to call to offer sacrifices and offered sacrifices) (He paid attention to the needs of Esu)

O gbo ikarara, Ebo ha fun un.(He heard ikarara, the sound of good fortune) (His sacrifices worked for him)


Ijo ni n jo, Ayo ni n yo (He began to dance) (He began to celebrate)

Ese to na, Ijo fa a. (He stretched a leg) (Dance tugged at it)

O ni be ni awon awo oun,Ti n fi enu rere pe ifa. (He says that that is exactly how his diviners) (Give thanks and praise to Ifa divination)

Iwo yeku, emi yeku,Oyeku di meji (I dodged death, you dodged death) (Two oyeku verses combine)

Gbogbo aye lo n yọ (And the entire world rejoices) Orunmila said everything will be fine.

absoluteSuccess:
The man is an older nairaland user, he registered a new account to silence me when I came on board, but "ipa t'a n pose, ara lofinsan'.

He's a fake Yoruba trying to hypnotize the audience from buying into my claims, long before you came on board. However, being honest and prolific save the day.

And indeed, thanks so much for your versatile assistance and erudition. He has said on the Hebrew tribe thread that we don't represent Yoruba interest.

Please what leader in Yoruba history is ever believed to represent Yoruba interest? Yoruba "interest" is to do your best in whatever your beat is, regardless of whose ox is gored.

At best you lose your life. Igbawo gan ni maku o nii ku? Do your best and live the rest. "Yoruba interest" is to get you stopped, God's interest is to lead you on.

His aja (syndicate) is a well trained man, they have a website that they used to lure their victim. It's a premium website, I almost fell for it, if not for a very subtle technical details.

First, it's a website registered since 2013, but there is no pixs of a happy customer, a naive staff or brand ambassador.

There's no human face to the site, so to whom does it communicate? Not even a picture of the farm that the agro-allied firm have in their address is good enough for citation on their website.

They only have a picture of a mansion in faraway Budapest. I couldn't find a correlation between their business interest and the mansion. Can you arrest a building in case of litigation?

It just gave me the clue that this folks are into "money", guymen, dangerous clique that gives you the run for your money or hack you to death should you cross their path.

It's a network thing. I didn't take the bait, hence I can say this much. I put a lot of things into writing here, but I equally have a memory of what I've shared lest it comes around to haunt me.

The web of evil will eventually trap the wicked for all his evil against the innocent.

This is a bewilderment before me. But no evil person goes free. And for a good cause, Ela the creator of mankind will always be our guide if these allegations against this guy and his cohort is true.

Nevertheless, no man has power over other man except one's Ori allows,which is the reason,Elaohun( the first to speak ) will not allow any form of evil to these magnitude to triumph over you, I and everyone who works for the identity , freedom of Yoruba Race, because the mercy of Eleri-Ipin will be ours . Ìgbá ọdùn bí íkán lí fú ẹlàohùn àyàn láà láà yó

sonmvayina:
I understand...thanks for the clarity...

No p in the first place. Just informing from my research angle.

absoluteSuccess:
My brother,

remember when I said

"psychopaths are brilliant liars".

They will concort lies to bait their victim, then tell another lie to cover up for their faultline. Psychopaths plays "catch me if you can" with the truth.

When caught, they will throw an alibi to the jury so much that you better blame the victim. You are better off choosing a standpoint from start.

Was sex the intended payment in a recruitment exercise orchestrated by this fellow?

He must have a story to tell to spin the public to his side of the narrative just to buy time and sympathy.

Macof made mention of a Facebook guy who was making case for the Yoruba Hebrew narrative. According to him, he later found out that the guy was being sponsored by the MFM.

That's a thinly veiled exposé.

Now that statement is a powerful revelation, the question is, how did he found out about the man's sponsor?

To find out, what is his ongoing relationship with people of such persuasion? What would he likely do if he can get hold of such a person?

He baited the fellow with juicy, unsolicited offer, got close to him and only him can tell what transpired afterwards.

History repeats itself

This man Macof tried to set me up, he primed me and connected his man to me. The same day, his man drove me to the Iblis at Toyin street, Allen Avenue, ikeja, and made me a juicy offer.

I've premonitions of danger from start, l had cold the moment his spy left the table the moment I gave him my product and leaflet.

He left to relay the details that he has been able to gather to his paymaster, Macof, whose idea the whole set up is. That was to be the beginning of my trap.

But I know some technicality of business. That was my saving grace. God saved me through this: This man told me originally that he wanted to produce spice.

I convinced him to produce herbs instead. He eventually told me he has met some folks who produced herbs with questionable efficacy.

His idea was that he would like to produce aphrodisiac for the European market and I would have to travel to Europe for this. I was so happy.

But technically, how could I, a stranger be de-facto in a business concern of a stranger that barely know me? A stranger from WhatsApp gave him my contact.

Again I said how did my oga intend to sell the product? He said I shouldn't worry about the product. That's the snap.

He said that about couple of times as I asked the same question. That just freaked me out. There's no product, it's something about me that is the product.

On our way back, there was a conversation between my host and someone over the phone. Your name was mentioned. And couple of millions along with it.

This little Hitler is cleaning the land of the Jews, if you don't agree with me, don't. But watch your back, he's orchestrating a more sophisticated way of doing what he always do.

Let Macof link us to the Facebook address of the man he claimed to be writing about the Yoruba being Hebrew under the sponsorship of MFM.

This is serious � . Anyway, the messenger is not the cause of the messaege but God's . So, I strongly believe death comes to the chosen ones at end of his /her calling on this planet earth.

I am of the opinion, that being careful is the keyword and definitely, without iota of doubt, one is always cautious of daily activities. Therefore, thanks for the information and I am grateful.What baffles me about their helluciation is that, it seems these people are actually bantoid lineage as one of the commentator once said about the same guy.

The ignorant lots didnt realise Prof. Wole Shoyinka writing was as a result of his understanding of his ethnic Yoruba's folklore, rites and cultural patters, which inturn has historical link with Meditterean region as f was one the major reason that 1986, Wole Shoyinka won Noble Leaurate.

Bro, be not shaken, Almighty Ela, the first among creation, who is the spirit of God, to speak and brought the existence of light and darkness, shall always protect you in the might of Your òrì(Olohun~Ela-ohun). Àṣẹ́ èmí.

sonmvayina:
I have interest too in Yorba mythology. But will be more interested in igbo traditional religion or omenani. I know lucifer is oshun, she is also Mary the mother of Jesus, Ishtar, astarte, inanna , apheodite...

She is the orisha of love, war and death...

Yoruba tradition do not place authority on any devil but on the intricasy on good and bad, which were the positive and negative force.

And if you understand how negative power and positve attract /fuse to generate electricity , remains the same pattern in Yorubas Creation myth are established in Yoruba traditional ifaodu corpus.

sweetshisha:
Till date nobody knows who named the world Earth

British didn't name England, Scotland or Ireland

French didn't name France

Back then your town name is mostly what you trade partners refer you to


Like nameless Ibadan was tagged by travellers eba odan

People have indigenous name for cosmos even if people differ on how the earth came to be in each group's mythology

The word used by Brits is what you mentioned as Earth. Thus, this is what you and I understand itto be in Anglo phone termology.

What you posted as a name of my town is often found amongst groups of people who settled down in such location. Importantly,your case study on 'Eba Odan'. The name Ibadan was what you reffered and I am sure you realise that the speakers of the language actually named the place,in which the outsider accepted and inhabitants accepted . More realistically ,the indigenous founder of the land.

question is: Who named Scotland , Britain Ireland or whatsoever , you intend to posit. Or, is your intention not what you stated on your reply to me? Kindly clarify.

Op, if you are looking for Yoruba myth.

1. Go to google and search for few quotes, to enhance

2. Add yourself in some groups of Risa worshippers on Facebook or others

3. visit different Ifaodu priests to enhance your knowledge; both educated in western knowledge and pure indeginous Yoruba Ifaodu priests.

4. Send me a mail. Xylovoice@gmail.com. Let me share three account of Yoruba creation myth,in which you will see understand the creation myth which is devoid of politic that involved two believer of OduduIwa and Obatala.



Cheers

sweetshisha:
Havard University website has a comprehensive data
Let me check for the link

I think this is it https://rpl.hds.harvard.edu/faq/yoruba or you can google Harvard coarsewares on Yoruba, IFA and Divinity

The information on the link claims, Yoruba name was given to the people by Hausa. Sources:
April Gordon, Nigeria’s Diverse Peoples: A Reference Sourcebook (Santa Barbara: ABC-CLIO, 2003).

Unfortunately, before Hausa Arabic script, was 1615 by Buba Ahmed,who identified these people with the same name two hundred and fifty years or so earlier. And it shows , Hausa were not the people who named yorubas as Yoruba but from a source, yet unravel because the man who had knowledge of the Yoruba people in his account is of Berber or Maghreb in origin.

absoluteSuccess:
Brother, remember what I've earlier said about the Widowmaker, compare with the recent spate of killing orchestrated by psychopaths pretending to be recruitment agency.

Could the latest victim lives to tell her story? What about the people buried in the killer's shallow graves?

This is the reason I said that the blood of the Facebook guy making Yoruba Hebrew claim is in hand of the Widowmaker. He thought he's the king of the jungle.

But the blood of the innocent is crying for justice. All the stuff we are talking aside, this man is a killer and his kind has just make the headline.

Frank Uduak Akpan squad members are with us, looking for whom to devour. But nemesis will catch up with them.

Yes,such is life,when people fall for cheap trap. Annoyingly the killer, 'Uduak', claimed they both had agreed to have sex throug the lady's
Consent.

The statement of this culprit is doubtful, because the victim's death won't allow us see the event of that day because the killer's account is what we are only privilege to read. And it's so sad, that this ,young lady in that manner will ever agree to have sex for job offer! It is so so sad , although anything is possible but such oppression to compel a lady to have sex for job offer is extremely desperation if some ladies do such thing.

Furthemore, who is this Hebrew writer that you are reffering to on Fb? Can I have his full names ?

Do have a great day bro.

absoluteSuccess:
Really cool, I can't agree less. Anything this guy didn't know that turned out elsewhere is "silly" to him.

Yet here's a self-acclaimed "historian" who cannot explain his own phrase "imagine green Sahara" till date.

Jungle Don mature. Here's another member of "the mudder squad" pretending to be an historian.

He wanted to set me up with a phantom journey to Eastern Europe of death. You have no place to hide.

It's a fact that evil people have no place hide.And God's protection upon you. Imaging claims ,that has been knocked down via dna analysis remained, point of their argument in 21st century.

One even boast of Islamic knowledge without him realising King Hezekiah is Oramaya, according to Arabic's historical account of the Hebrew kings list. And he boasts of being vast inArabic account. And does not know such name exist in the Annals of Arabic account of the ancient Hebrew.

Infact,I am waiting for these people to come disprove Neanderthals gene in Yorubas because , they have always claim aboriginal status of Yorubas.Furthermore Ifaodu emphasise, the four direction of the earth and arrange it in orderliness, acknowledging the Eastern part of the earth by saying:

Ìbà'se ilà Oòrùn
I respect the power of the East.

Ìbà'se iwò Oòrun,
I respect the powers of the West.

Ìbà'se Aríwá.
I respect the powers of the North.

Ìbà'se Gúúsù.
I respect the power of the South.

Ìbà Òrun Òkè.
I respect the Invisible Realm of the Mountains.

* Ìbà Oba Ìgbalye.
I respect the King of the Seasons of the Earth.


Obviously, the ancient Yoruba were outstanding astronomers beyond the manner at which they were belittled in present times.

Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
Get your intelligence together. Yoruba did not have an "iron age" of her own different from that of the rest of mankind.

Iron is a universal matter that's part of primitive trade between different cultures that existed in the iron age. Ayon is the homophone form of the word. It means, fried.

It's the fried form of the ore, where it's derived in the first instance. You can go through all the options in the morphology of the word in that dictionary, try put irin in it, next to isern.

The question is, will the Yoruba for iron look odd in that morphology? Then fetch your Kwa linguistic and do the morphology for iron between the speakers.

Egun: iron, ogan
Yoruba: iron, irin.

Do the rest and let us see the Kwa linguistic morphology for iron as the example you have in the English dictionary.



This is what self-conceit does to a clever man who subtly steals from others, taking the heat from them to warm himself and in turn mock their travails.

You've seen the way syntaxes cut across every language known to man from place to place, but the significance of this intersection beats you.

I'm helping you to realize that lemma and syntaxes that cut across are evidence of common ancestry of man, or rather, a topic in anthropology.

Now back to your lack

You were out to disprove the idea of Yoruba having Cognate with Hebrew, and that Cognate is not words that look alike or means the same thing when written.

Then you threw in apart and iron for irin and apa. You are not an expert. It's still these two words you are using to row your boat to wherever the discussion can lead.

You lack keen understanding of a lot of things in grammar, Yoruba tradition, Yoruba language and the primitive history of the human race.

Yours is just an empty atheism and selective-racism turned racial pride. All your misconceptions are coming through in spite of how guarded you are about them.

Cognate is an unbias formula to figure out whatever relationship exist between two words from two different languages sharing similar words or ideas. Keep your biases to yourself and learn.

Without iota of doubt ,Yoruba Race is a super Race,whose footprints are found in many part of ancient kingdoms,closely related names, under different language orthography.This is the reason, you find word as Yoruba ignorantly claimed by some people to originate from Maghreb people ,who lived in Mahli.

Furthermore, this Arabic scholar understood, the systematic pattern in writing the name in accordance to the root which are YRB. And if one consider Yoruba names and words in comparison with English language,semitic's coptic's etc, using'iron', which became part of English language's lexicon.


It's a fact that in 1604 , England's King James I authorized a new translation of the Bible,which lasted for a decade. Interestingly the word 'iron' loaned from Ancient Hebrew language when the English King in 17th century appointed scholars vast in Coptic litturgy, Greek and Roman latin language ,that were used to translate the Hebrew Torah, to English Bible.

So, dont be bothered about these unrepentant liars who claim what the have no knowledge on. These people wil claim blue muder If you posit cognate of Arabic's,Hebrew,Coptic's words with Yoruba's.

Interestingly, their fuss over Yoruba being aboriginal has been bursted in recent DNA analysis on Yoruba bloodline. The recent study that followed the 'Ghost DNA' found in Yorubas has been proven to belong to Neanderthals; A rare and highly intelligent humanoid who were forebears of Europeans, some Near East bloodline,different from many African and South Asian ancestors. Meanwhile, ancient Africa stretch to part of Near East after migration of people out oAfrica. Infact I know you are limited intellectually to Yoruba story nor do you have knowledge on these things. So ��

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233488-dna-analysis-of-people-in-west-africa-reveals-ghost-
human-ancestor/#ixzz6ucJ9VCOT

Arose 430,000 years ago and disappeared 40,000 years ago.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2231991-neanderthals-never-lived-in-africa-but-their-genes-got-there-anyway/#ixzz6tp0mEbSi

KingOKON:
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Even the English have variations Londoners, Newcastle, Midlands and Manchester all pronounce differently
You this idoiTA! Are you using the vowels and consonants developed by your colonial masters after they have latinized your language to tell me there is a STANDARD Yoruba?
Who spoke this standard Yoruba b4 the arrival of the British and where is it being spoken?

Lol. Just imagine your reckless statement? Honestly, you lack English language's comprehensionthat picked . Do you not know Roman-Latin orthography ? You even place the interjection wrongly.

Well, there is nothing like standard Yoruba. Although you cant understand this is because Yoruba language isn't your ancestral mother tongue's language and you are only privilege to speak it only by chance,if you do.

Mind you ,Mr. ignorant, even if TAO11 and I are only juxtapositing on different ideology,which is normal among scholars doesnt mean her information on Yoruba-Edo is false. Mumu speed off.

TAO11:
Another heap of crap as is to be expected.

You are the Yoruba equivalent of gregyboy.

You are a disgrace.

Yoruba came from Niger River area . Yet no radio carbon date. Kikikiki. Copy and paste Una try. Even Professor Kintoye knows presently

Ghost Dna burst your copy and paste lies of oudated aboriginal of all Yorubas. Current research on migration of people back to Africa assert Neanderthal as part of the Gene brought by Yorubas and some other few African into Africa.

Go study and do research and stop assumption. This platform is just to post view devoid of derangedas
If you dont have life after this platform. So, stop posting outdated information of over a decade that Youba are autochthonous!False at its peak. Who at in any academic Supervisor will ever look into such thesis? A laughing stock beyond comprehension.

TAO11:
I swear when I read that I was like wait, am I sure this guy is sane?

Let me see how sane you are.Olodo jatijati. Dont mess up this thread for it purpose. Open a thread and dare me. Copy and paste dede - /deɪ//deɪ/

macof:
Lol wtf! Smh

Yorubas such as una type make me laugh because you are uneducated linguistically. You people are the set of ignorants that make people assume Yoruba as twisting her oral history. No wonder,Rev Ajayi crowder, who is your mentor and hero did serious damage to support una nonentity ideology of yoruba being originated from West Africa; Present day Nigeria. Lol

On the subject matter, kindly help me with any international standard of transcribing the 'i' of Yoruba if it falls within proper Yoruba pronunciation . ìrú ìrú ọbẹ̀ gbẹ̀gírí

Plainly, International Phonetic Alphabet(IPA)is a system of transcribing the sounds of languages which consists of some Latin and Greek letters (the pattern Yoruba copied) and a variety of additional symbols and diacritics,has shown that the objective of trancribing is to represent each recognisable sound in a unique fashion. The IPA was developed at the end of the last century; the acronym stands for International Phonetic Alphabet. Examples:

Yoruba: 'i', being pronunce as e doesnt fall within the correct accent as be. Instead itis 'bi'

Standardly 'i' is pronunced as 'ai'


1.Hi/hi=
Pronunciation
IPA: /haɪ/

2. By=
Pronunciation
(British, America) enPR: bī, IPA: /baɪ/

bi-=
Pronunciation
IPA: /baɪ-/, /bɪ-/
Example

Pronunciation
(RP, GA) IPA: /aɪ/
(Southern American English) IPA: /aː/
(AU, New Zealand) IPA: /ɑe/

Ignorant TA O11 learn!Come to Benin Republic to learn more from Yoruba's scholars without your copy and paste wannabe tipatipa pseudo Nigeria's Yoruba.No wonder Nigeria's Yoruba has so many errors. Meanwhile, oga at the top combine together to help out too with the sound . I shall turn your knowledge into shred before other Yorubas.Egocentric empty barrels.........!!!

gregyboy:
Yorubas were not organized before the country Nigeria was formed

They lived in clans and came together to fight each other if provoked by a particular clan

There was no strong ruler who governed them
Their political system was decentralized

So when an external culture comes they decide personally to adopt or reject, most clans yoruba found the Islamic religion attractive and accepted it, unlike the benin who had strong political bureaucracy which was politically centralized

Their Islamic influence came from the north, they were some fragmented of Yoruba muslims before the war of afonja, the war of afonja further expanded it,

If not for the britsh arrival most yorubas would
Have been islam

Are you for real ? I am not interested in dwelling in this part you intend. No hard feelings. Cheers

TAO11:
Is this guy sick or something?

Where did I say otherwise that “ẹlẹ́dá” is no longer the word for “creator” — God?

If you’re scared to read, can’t you, at least, see the red highlight of the screenshot below??

And that is a page from CMS’s “Dictionary of Yoruba language, published 1913.

Your “ila”/“ela,” gymnastics is at best unsubstantiated, absurd, and disgraceful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Just reread what you posted! Are you really lettered? Do Yoruba have 'i' ~hi sound? This is because you sneak it in Lol . So
easy for you to use absurd words on just something, you arent paid.You see, I am a writer with intense research on the subject matter i posit on. You and I arent competing and nothing I have posted that there is no journal written on them by names I mentioned so far. Anyway, enjoy yourself.

TAO11:
The only rEsEaRcH you may have done is the research of crap, absurdity, and irrelevancies.

Having said that, stop attaching screenshots of the crappy book you claim to be writing as evidence.

Adduce an authoritative material to back up whatever claim you make in a clear manner.

You lied that the Yoruba word for “creator” w.r.t. God is: “ela” or “ila”. You provided no evidence for this.

I shut down the lie and educated you that the Yoruba word for “creator” w.r.t. God is: “aṣẹ̀dá,” or “ẹlẹ́dá”.

Or even “adẹ̀dá,” but nothing like “ela,” or “ila”. Stop the fraud.

~ Refer to the attached screenshot of an English-Yoruba lexicon below from p. 34 of CMS’s “Dictionary of Yoruba Language,” 1913.

So youhave learned! I thought Eleda isnt the creator according to you? I rest my case. Meanwhile enjoy yourself. See Ori, Olohun,Ela,Eledumare are same~Manifestation God awesomeness

TAO11:
Anyone with a shred of IQ who has been following this must have seen that you’ve been exposed as an ignorant sham. But I would do more damage as will be seen below.

Did you just say “linguists”?

You must be dreaming for a living if you think linguists sit down and hallucinate like you’ve been doing.

No! What you’ve written is alien to the Yoruba word for “creator”. The Yoruba word for “creator” is “Aṣẹ̀dá,” or “Ẹlẹ́dá”. Stop the fraud.

Oh Gosh! Face palms! You need deliverance. I’m serious.

Anyways, to educate you before deliverance, the Arabic root word “Ra-Ma-La” has nothing to do with “Orunmila”.

The Arabic trilateral root “Ra-Ma-La” means “[he] wove,” or “[he] interknitted”.

The Yoruba word “Orunmila,” on the other hand, literally means “Heaven knows who shall be saved”.

Even the so-called Hebrew “Ifoad” that you wrote is probably another sham that you can’t produce any Hebrew dictionary (with a name) to support.

Stop hallucinating Olu, cognates are not determined on the basis of apparently similar sounds, or roman orthographies. Cognates are way deeper than such kindergarten outlook.

To determine cognates, the languages first have to come from a common immediate parent language.

And as far as Yoruba and Arabic/Hebrew languages are concerned, linguists’ conclusion is that Yoruba does not fit into the same language family as these other two.

Pastor Olumide Lucas (NOT a linguist by the way) who tried his hands on your type of pseudo-linguistic quest in 1948 was terribly refuted by linguists. Don’t be like Pastor Olumide Lucas, be like linguists.

I don’t think you don’t know Arabic. I and you know that you have no clue on Arabic.

I have not had the time to personally crosscheck your ridiculous claims on Hebrew, but @macof has done a great job exposing you on that.

Can you retype this in English language? I’m sure you’re just stringing whatever word crosses your mind in a desperate attempt to sound smart.

You have no clue the amount of damage you’re doing to your own brain with this fraudulent pursuit you’ve embarked on.

First of all Arabic is Arabic. Why the childish stress of typing “Semitic Arabic inscriptions” just to sound smart? Abi there are some Arabic that are not Semitic ni?? Lol.

Secondly, it is NOT “sheik,” it is “sheikh”. Having said that, I am very certain that your Sheikh No-Name (whom no one can verify) is in no way an authority in comparison to Fatima Harrak and John Hunwick, who are scholars of classical Arabic manuscripts, and who have prepared that translation of that manuscript.

Also, there is no such thing as Buba Ahmed, neither is there anything as 1651 in this context. You need to be helped ASAP!

Sighs! “‘Y’ is ee sound in semitic” or what rubbish did I just read??

See if you must learn, the best way to go about it is to come out plain. Admit your ignorance without shame and without mincing words.

If you do so, I am willing to carve out some time for you for proper schooling — free of charge.

Stop the approach of pushing out crap in the hope that I will reply you with the precise correction.

Also Google won’t really help you as much as you think. It will only compound your embarrassment in front of me, and it has been doing so.

Come out plain, admit your limit before me (which I’ve noticed already even if you choose not to admit it), then we can agree on a schedule on when and how to begin schooling you.

You see,it's from the beggining I saw this coming when you asked me to furnish you my research on my claims. So, all these fruitless effort on this issue remained farther than your understanding . Kindly read to enhance your knowledge on Ori concept through Awo's explanation and one that's worth quoting is on 'Creator' ~Eleda by Babasehinde Ademuleya's account on below screenshot.

Orunmila means heaven knows who will be save ? Hysterically because I had mentioned this earlier, that you dont have much knowledge on traditional terms of Yoruba Ifaodu corpus! Oru- Mi e la ( simply decribe how life and light came to manifest from invisible realm to visible realm and it has nothing to do with chaotic missionaries wrong interpretation . People who do not know Bara or Obara is a name of Eṣù or Yeṣùá. Instead, Bara and Ifa are translated as god of mischief. And youuse same analogy to define Rumiela

Do you actually think every word inYoruba dictionary actually connote what is spoken daily ? I will advice to get acquitted with yoruba language ? Are you aware other Yoruba dialects have fewer Arabic influence as compared to Oyo's ? This doesnt mean anything as relating to Northern Hausa but mingling with Arabs at one time and the other.

Lastly I have seen the errors in Yoruba christians missionaries dictionaries and it differs from traditional definition of these same power in multidimensional angle working for Godhead (Ori).

KingOKON:
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I laugh every time I see things like this, yoruba, IBO, Hausa are languages that were all LATINIZED not one single one of them and most languages and pronunciation in Africa except for the Ethiopians (Aramic), Egypt( Coptic) had theirs well grounded, Nsibidi was learnt as one climbed higher in the society or the earlier you joined a privilege class of people.

Now that the British who used their vowels/consonants to help in writing our languages and pronunciations when I very well know an Ikeja man don't speak like a Badagry, ogbomoso, Okitipupa, Ekiti man. Instead we have "wannabes" historians trying to use LATINIZED words to conjure RUBBISH
Aramic and Coptic speakers don't need all these rubbish as they have rightly document their history in their words and pronunciations and not one lacking in this but wanting to justify MANIPULATIONs using vowels and consonants that are in variants among their entire group from villages to villages and sadly not developed by them.

Can "White" be said to be white in words and pronunciation in every Yoruba speaking villages?

Idont need to lecture. I am tired of messing up a thread solely meant for it purpose .

TAO11:
The word “Alla” in Arabic is NOT the same as the Arabic name “Allah”.

The following Arabic words has meanings as follows:

“Alla” — meaning “Except”

“Allah” meaning “God” (lit. “the self-existent, perfect being”).

Secondly, the following Yoruba words have meanings as follows:

“Àlà” — meaning: “White cloth”

“Àlá” — meaning: “Dream”

“Alá” — a prefix meaning: “One who has”

“Ãlà” (i.e. Ààlà) meaning: “Boundary”

Stop the deception.

Cheers!

Lol! This is the 21st century disappointment fo thinking in this manner! Anyway, linguists dont look for your kind of lame excuse.

Beside, the descriptive word for creator in Yoruba language ela/ila is same with both Arabic and ancient Hebrew. So sudden, you forgotten , yoruba do write orunm-ila and Arabs do write il rml(root)~divination. And Hebrew calls Ifaod. All of these names have cognates with yoruba language.

Least I forget, if you think I dont know Arabic,dont I also know ancient hebrew ? A rareknowledge anyone anybody can't know easily. Meanwhile Arabic is a small fry when you compare a language that has left Near East thousands of years but as liturgy presently. A language that, I can read! with comfort that has been pronunced as 'Isolate'.

Despite your claim on your knowledge of semitic Arabic inscription, so also, I have sheik , who read the exact 1651 Buba Ahmed for me and told me,the word is Yarb/Yarba! And was contesting the identity because
lecture in faculty of business administration.

Now, if you arent ignorant of these writing,then whydidnt you realise 'Y' is ee sound in semitic to understand the name of yoruba ancestor.

Cheers