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TAO11:
Shut up! I know that. No one denied that.

I was only debunking your lie that it is done at Mecca.

I also asked how that is related to the actual question I asked you.

You had said that on entering the Kaaba, pilgrims go in with their back. I questioned that, and I debunked it — noting that no such thing happen.

Ask Alhaji/Alhaji that stone is throne at Mecca? Are you a joke? Stone is not thrown at Mecca, it is done at Mina — a different city from the city called Mecca.

First of all, no one dances round the Kaaba. Wait! Why are you making stuffs up? Are you sure you don’t want to seek professional medical help?

Secondly, the tonal diacritic you applied for losi and lajijo is completely false. It should be “lósì lósì làájíjó”.

You obviously know nothing about tonal diacritics of Yoruba words. Stop pretending like you do. Writing the words without any diacritic is more honorable than writing them with false diacritics — especially when you yourself know that you don’t know diacritics.

If I inform you that the reason Kaaba was not of a privilege to people to enter was as a result of over crowing? Like I have mentioned , you dont know many of these things, in which I gave you clue towards it....

People who know about this ritual rite know. Infact, the black stone been taunted as been declared time immemorial to belonging to Abram.

Least, I forget, throwing stone to satan, backward entrance and anti clockwise dancing are all in Arabia. If I mention Kaaba, Mecca Medina, etc doesnt make me a liar but you erred more because , Kéré and kéré are homopone.

Screenshot of what you said it is gibberish ;D1911-1913Yoruba dictionary

The word Alla is accurately same with yoruba's Ala and Ela. But the problem with these identities came as a result of different ideology to serving God. This is the reason , there has been loggerheads between the followers of these deity,in which the one who brought the idea became attached to the name,which were basically as a result of struggle over dominance which eventually went to the side of OduduIwa.


Without mincing word, Odudu Iwa is also known as odu Iwa or Igba Iwa,which is represented with a enclosed calabash that homage is paid at due period ataomewhere in Oore groove.This is indeed,one known as Rumiela or Ela ( God in self wisdom manifestation ). This wisdom is represented as the one with fertility of the womb, which make some Yorubas misunderstood this wisdom as feminine in nature. Interestingly some people think, God has one name called Eledumare(described wrongly by Idowu: Who say, Yoruba Eledumare does not concerns himself with affairs of men). Statement as this made some people think Eluiwa is different from oduduIwa.

gregyboy:
Olu317

Tao11 no one takes you serious anymore


The yoruba world ala is a sub word for allah in yoruba language

The word ala in yoruba means white and in arabic it means self existence, Supreme in yoruba white means Supreme they believe heavenly beigns wear white so when they mention white they attribute those qualities to it, olu was right on this one

Lol

TAO11,
Stone is thrown at satan, kindly stop being ignorant. I have given a leeway ; ask Alhaj or Alhaja, who has gone on pilgrimage.

2. The anticlockwise wise dancing round the Kaaba while left hand is raised in horizontal direction signifies what to you in comparison with lòsi lòsi lájíjò Obatala?

TAO11
I dont mislead people but you do. Her is screenshot of signs on words, which are acute and grave. For your information yorubas are not the only people on this platform.
é(grave) ké= cry
é(grave) kéré : a word used to call attention of people,or proclaim
kéré: small, little.
While Kèrè/Kèrèo is proclaim,call
other variants kà: count,read
kàrá: make noise,to be loud

When in Yoruba language , a king,chief,leader sends an errand man,servant to inform the citizens during era of effective sound system.The servant call attention of citizens inthis regard and utter Kere o: calling attention , while the "o" is an euphony.

Arabic, Hebrew and Yoruba do share same vowel sound except for the fact that, Arabic has only three from vowel while Yoruba and Hebrew share same But while the Hebrew and the Arabic alphabets look different, they have a lot in common. Hebrew’s 22 letters correspond more or less to 22 of Arabic’s 28 letters.

They are both written from right to left, and they’re both “abjads”. An abjad, unlike an alphabet doesn’t have static letters for vowels. In Arabic and Hebrew, vowel sounds are instead marked with diacritics (in historical and religious texts) or without vowels at all (in all other texts).

While Arabic has a few more consonants, with the addition of some guttural sounds that don’t exist in Modern Hebrew, the Hebrew language has two more vowels than Arabic.

The vowels in both Arabic and Hebrew exist in long and short forms. In Hebrew, these vowels are a, e i, o and u, whereas Arabic only uses a, i and u.

The reason that the Hebrew language lacks the guttural sounds present in Arabic might be because of the fact that, before the revival of Hebrew, the Hebrew language was mostly a liturgical language studied by Jews in Europe, and not a language spoken a lot in everyday situations.

Dialectal Arabic on the other hand, has been continuously spoken as an everyday language (in its colloquial forms) by native speakers since the language came about and thereby preserving more aspects of its pronunciation.


In a nutshell, Quran means what to you ? Lol

TAO11:
What gibberish is this for God’s sake? Sighs!

[No disrespect to your person, but it’s hard not be angry when gross and undiluted ignorance is being boldly peddled around].

Loud sighs!

The Yoruba word “ala” in the name Obatala has absolutely nothing to the with the Arabic name “Allah”.

Apparent sound & roman-orthographic appearance are not the basis of connections between words. To make matters worse, they don’t even sound alike, nor are their respective meanings identical or similar.

The Yoruba word “ala” literally means “white cloth”. In contrast, the Arabic name “Allah” literally means “the self-existent, perfect being”.

Linguistics is not so dumb that linguists simply look for similarity of sound & appearance in order to draw linguistic or/and historical connections.

This is the poorest attempt you’ve ever made at misinforming the public.

This is because the traditional accounts unanimously remember Obatala as an individual who is given to drinking. He loves to drink and get drunk.

First of all, the Arabic word you mentioned here indeed begins with a “Q” equivalent, and not a “K” equivalent. The letter “K” has only come down to us from classical English transliteration of this Arabic word.

To maintain a “K” equivalent (i.e. kaf) in the Arabic is to have a meaningless word, viz. “Kur’an”.

Despite that, the Arabic word “Qur’an” itself does not have the meaning you’ve made up for it here. “Qur’an” does NOT mean “proclamation”.

Moreover, regarding the Yoruba word “kere” which you tried to squeeze in (a falsehood on its own); the tonal diacritic you applied to it is another falsehood.

The tonal diacritic for “kere” is ‘mi, re,’ NOT ‘do, do’ which you ignorantly placed on it. In other words, it is “kére,” NOT “kèrè”. Kèrè is meaningless.

In any case, the Yoruba word “kére” has absolutely not a thing to do with the Arabic word “Qur’an”. And the noun “Qur’an” does not mean “proclamation”.

Now to the actual question which I asked you:

How does the stoning of the “devil” have anything to do with entering the Ka’aba with the back turned to its entrance?? Are you kidding me now, or you’re just being plain ignorant??

Anyways, the Ka’aba is a building located in the city called Mecca, while the practice of stoning the “devil” during hajj is done in another city called Mina.

In sum, no stone is thrown at any devil in Mecca, nor is any left hand raised or positioned in the course of the stoning at Mina.

It is actually very okay to say the words “I actually do not know the answer to this” when asked a question about which we have no idea. It is high-time that this kind of mindset is normalized.

Regarding your claim of entering the Ka’aba while one’s back is turned to its entrance:

First of all, rarely does anyone enter the Ka’aba, and no one does so with the back. Stop making stuffs up.

Of course you can’t. Doing so would be disastrous.

May God change you for good.

Cc: macof

You are highly ignorant of these things and you dont need sigh. This's because there are Yorubas whose surname is Àlá which means possesor, one who has, overwhelming owner. This , is same as God. The same as Oni.

2.Obatala(oba ti Ala) does not mean king of white cloth but God of purity. And crediting this powerful god,being referred as oba risa( king of risa).

Help yourself with the screenshot.

TAO11:
Yes, Islam has been in Yorubaland centuries before the first Fulani kingdom would arrive the North.

That said, could you, @Olu317, shed some more light on the following line from your foregoing comment:

“••• go into sacred chamber backwardly as being done in Kaaba”

Islam as a religion is an ideology ! This ideology is enshrine in some of the ideologies of obatala's (king Ala) beliefs. From the name as God of purity , to avoidance of alchohol drinking, moldelling of human beings, in a chapter of one of the odu, divination system~herbology knowledge attached to the lineage in etc . The name did not change nor ideology but reformists.

Futhermore, the word Kuran(Quran) is proclamation ; i.e chanting of Ala existence and his dictate through prophet Muhammad. This word is also found in ancient Hebrew as Koran from Kara with same meaning . This word is kèrè ( proclamation ) in Yoruba land.

On the last backward entrance, kindly ask Alhaji/Alhaja how stone is throne at the devil in Mecca , positioning and raising of left hands!

I cant go beyond this.However, certainly I will reveal at the right time.

davidnazee:
Sorry oooo.. i thought it was fulanis that conquered your ancestors and brought Arab culture to you.. didn't know it was the arabs themselves that conquered you.
Sorry ooo but bottomline is that you were conquered hence the traces of Arabic language in your yoruba language

Google will help you know on geomancy to so that Yoruba ifaodu is ageless and the first one who did lot cast is unknown.

Meanwhile Arab knowledge of lot cast is credited to the ancient Hebrew priest. . Guess who ? Help yourself with research man. In the peak of a Yorubaman, he becomes a god (rìṣá) as christians reference Pope. The pioneer of this personality was the first awni-auni-ooni(owner) and subsequently ones.

Open yours and read account of visitors to Bini Book Serial: Ile-Ife: City of 201 gods (2)
Prof. Jacob Olupona

THE Portuguese image of Ile Ife: The Europeans
saw Ile-Ife as the preeminent city-state and as
an important ceremonial centre in what was
then often referred to as “the Negro world.”
The seafaring Portuguese, the first Europeans
to explore the coast of West Africa, arrived in
the fifteenth century.

Although they had heard much about the city of Ile-Ife, their inability to access interior forested regions made contact very difficult. However, the Portuguese
recorded their impressions of the importance
of this ancient city, especially of its artistic and
historical relationship and connection to the
kingdom of Benin, with which the Portuguese
had earlier contact.

Writing in his navigational guidebook Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis, the well-known Portuguese explorer Duarte Pacheco Pereira noted that to the east of the Benin Kingdom,about one hundred leagues (four hundred
miles) inland, was a country with a king named
Licasaguou, who was said to be lord of many
people and to possess great power. Close by,
Pereira explained, another great lord,Hooguanee, “is considered among the Negroes as the Pope is among us.”

KingOKON:
Disgrace
That Oduduwa and Oranmiyan aren't same with King Arthur and Merlin or Robin hood, you can remain in your olodoship while we pride ourselves with common sense j

You are highly ignorant like your pained like minds because even England monarchial system, was a baby before Yoruba monarchial system medieval era. Compare Yoruba Pure virtual Art Bronze, Copper head.

So your fairytale Arthur was no with the knowledge of these things and not in league with Yoruba language that stood firm for thousands of years, when English language around 11th-13th century was running helter-skelter to have a grip on her language and her kingdom. Ooni has reigned before Yorubaland in Nigeria. How much your own ancestors history and language ? Post your ancestors story and let us know if you have Neanderthal genes

davidnazee:
Yoruba language has Arabic words because of the fulani conquests and islamization of the Yorubas. How do u find joy in your defeat?

You are so inconsequential before me. This is the reason I dont pay attention to your geometric lies.

Islam had been amongst Yorubas before Fulanis were even muslims.

Did Yoruba learn how to go into sacred chamber backwardly as being done in Kaaba from Fulanis?

Does Fula language looks Arabic to your ignorant knowledge ?

Did Fulani now what is known amongst Arabs as Il Raml and Yorubas oRumiela(RML~root) ? divination system

Beliieve it or not, I am not interested in giving out references to you lot but to make your unclad knowledge wacked and know your ancestors were covered with knowledge through your ancient mothers ,whence ancient Yorubas married them.

KingOKON:
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Evidence like Oduduwa is from Ife Mecca or Jerusalem...... Yeye de smell

Yoruba language is better than yours. Atleast, the Yoruba stretches as far as Near East,despite the fact that Hausa language is classified as Asiatic language .

After all, Yoruba language has more words related to Arabic,ancient Hebrew,Coptic language (still brought to Egypt by Hebrew settlers who were earliest Christians in Egypt ). Infact, your bantoid language is not recognised. Why do feel pained ?

budaatum:
Let us be honest. Most Yorubas may have heard of Oduduwa and Obatala, but know nothing about their origin, since neither is really the origin of the Yorubas.

Its like we read and some believe that God created Adam and Eve and therefore all human beings. Those who bother to investigate however, will find otherwise, but this remains the template used to determine the origin of most tribes.

Quite a lot of "history" is going to be written the more knowledgeable and wiser we become.

Iagree with you since a lot of information are yet to revealed due to vacuum in continuity of the written account in,inscribed on artifacts.

I am tempted to asert here that, many information are laying fallow to be unraveled, which shall be made manifest in near future because, researches are going on, as regard the identity of the founders of lie ife as it may be.

In furtherance, OduduIwa and Obatala are more of a religious ideology, and of which seemingly look different through identifiable families attached their sentiments of understanding of God to these deities but identical (kingly lineage and priest's) .
Although,renown Awo dino, posited that in Ifaodu Ogunda there're is a different version of creation myth which testify to the complexity of power creation,which was given to Ela,'Rumiela',which he
did a lot explanation on the identities.

While in another part of the Corpus, there is a sneaky introduction of Ala(Obatala), in which, he was ordered to be associated with the physically challenged creation after he lost the power of creation to OduduIwa, after he got drunk.

budaatum:
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss the symbolism when it is right before their eyes.

Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.

It is a big deal but has been resolved through intermarriages,which made it hard to singlehandedly claim a lineage solely.

budaatum:
What amuses me is this assumption that all Yorubas originated from Oduduwa, when some hold on to Obatala as their origin.

Pity we do not teach history in our Nigerian schools I suppose, but intelligent individuals can still bother to educate themselves.

By the way, does anyone know what we named the people of the bush?

Perhaps it is seemingly true if one consider both patrilineal and matrilneal lineages but I dont think all Yorubas accept that ideology because some I have come across in real life and online did identified with Obatala as their ancestor.

Ignorance

gregyboy:
I will call ours tribal tattoos

Lol. The earlier screenshot is,also a tattoo ? You are a joke. Enjoy yourself.

gregyboy:
Young man check all our bronze artwork if you see tribal marks let me know


The marks you will see are iwu and iwu are not tribal marks but tattoo markings

Tribal marks in benin was adopted after the empire fell

Benin men in the olden days didnt wear shirt and this iwu markings were mostly done on the chest downward so a benin man from afar could be recognized

The medicinal one you're talking about is different from iwu and tribal markings


If you keep observing this little things it would give you a clue on unlocking others

Iwu marking is what is part of tribal marks. Tribal marks means, marks imprinted on each person,within same group of people who share share same culture ,share historical affinity, same belief and related by bloodline. So, dont confuse yoirself over English word, 'Tribal Mark'.

Edo people anciently had tribal marks.

gregyboy:
Our oba is simply playing the political script with the Yoruba royal fathers

Something they invented to tease themselves and catch cruise

Yea he was lieing

Oromiyan never even breathed air in this earth one day not to say Oduduwa that was imagined by an oyo man

I am a descendant of Oramiyah 100% patrilineal bloodline. :- . Try to come up another story.

gregyboy:
Benin never had tribal marks for face

Check the pics of oba ovaramen, along with the Chiefs who were killed in the 1897 massacre non had a tribal markings on their face neither the great grand father of governor obaseki

What benin had was tribal markings on thier bodies,

Tribal marks on the face were rrcrnt development borrowed from other tribe

What about the Iwu marking ? Iyeoba Idia had Iwu marking on her forehead . It is a fact Binis had facial marks. You can read more or atleast ask elders of over 70 years old in Bini or well researched historical journals or authored work

gregyboy:
Am the only edo person who has been shouting Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with yoruba

Fezz
Etrusen


As a matter of fact if you go through my post you will see it, i pointed out that it was oba erediawa who twisted the original Ekaladerhan history to mean Oduduwa,


Benin and ife never had any connections pre 1913 not untill after the empire fell to the British, that the ife and benin myth were made up for political bebefit


Abi... You they fear to read my comment, you of all people should already know my stance

Let your brothers and sisters know this germane. Explain to them continously till they have grasp of your point that Ekalerderan is not Yoruba Olofin Oshin (Odudua).

Furthermore I will still post account of a booty (Gold chain) as a gift for persuation given to one our ancestors by Oba Bini around 18th century.

gregyboy:
If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew

Etrusen
Fezz

Tribal marks indeed. See serious humility . We are the plane faces who are Kings, princes, princesses .Meanwhile,I hope you remember Edo have tribal marks oooo.

And no bi Yoruba do una ooo. As simple as ABC, your king is of Oramiya heritage. Ekalederan lives on in his grave at Ughoton. The town which housed a port that brought wealth to Oba Ozolua and sons after him .

So , it is not a crime Ekalederan descendants Ohen Okun,controlled this port during the era of Oba Ozolua,whom he sent as his ambassador to Portugal with the Portuguese , Alfonso D' Aviero. Ciao

Fezz:
From the bolden in your concluding sentence.. where is it written in the article you posted that "Oba has Yoruba ancestors"?. You can see how yorubas like yourself just cook up stories from thin air. You guys are terrible liars and fabricators. This is quite sad.

Your Oba of the land of IBinu simply declared sevendays or so for venerate his ancestor Odudua.Why ask me silly question? The point is that Ekalederan is not your Odudua.

davidnazee:
You are funny and I think kind of shallow.
This last paragraph of the document you posted already gives an insight how the Oba and the Edos at that time see Ekaladeran. If the Oba regards Ekaladeran as a son of the palace then he obviously regarded him as of one blood and his ancestors. This provess a link between Ekaladeran and the Obas, not some stupid stories from you Yorubas..
The Obas of Benin are descendants of Ekaladeran.

Your ignorance is geometric.The point is that Ekaladeran descendants are alive. Infact they are in Ughoton and in this case conscripted as Captain, Ohen okun and as Olokun worshiper,b

'Many reasons could be adduced. First, the Ohen-Okun, the chief of Ughoton was at this time the head of the village as well as the chief priest of Olokun temple, who was direct descendants of Prince Ekaladerhan, the founder of Ughoton village. So sending the chief of Ughoton as an ambassador to Portugal was like sending a Prince from the palace of the Oba to Benin'.

From above statement Olofin DodoIwa/ DuduIwa/ Odua was not your Ogiso Owodo's Ekalaredan,who founded and died in Ughoton.I thought you people claimed he had no children apart from mysterious Ileife children in your dreams.



In the furtherance of bursting Edo e-liars , Alfonso d' Aveiro account says, 'And the king of Benin sent to the king of Portugal as Ambassador, a negro who was his captain in a seaport known as Ugato wishing to have news of our lands, the people of which had been in Beny considered a great novelty”…

This only proof that he was not a prince but a loyal servant to the Oba from Yoruba ancestor.

gregyboy:
You're empty i have thought you would have gone into seclusion months ago for more obsessed research

Yoi begin to bore you seem totally exhausted now you completely result to trolling and lies


TAO11 go back and read

If you anything new for me spill it out

Your Oba knows the truth , which is the reason, he took it upon himself to honour his ancestors by doing a sacrificial rites as being done by Fagbamila Olalomi, Oramiya, Owu, Ake, Alaafin, Awujale,etc.

Meanwhile, Ekerlederan died in Ughoton. . Edo liars. Read the founder of Ughoton direct descendants , who went to visit King Emmanuel of Portugal in 1505.

Itis a fact that Ughoton Ohen Olokun was the direct descendant of Ekerlederan; descendant of Owodo.

Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.

Interview conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming , venue-Ughoton.

Interview conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Isichie, E . History of West Africa since 1800 (Macmillan Publishers, 1969)

TAO12:
I have debunked the post here long ago. He’s only trying his best to test the waters.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575


Cc: Ideadoctor, Balogunodua babtoundey, gomojam, Christistruth00, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, ABULARdotCOM, RuggedSniper, reallest, Olu317

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Adeba01:
Okay, fair enough, just to reconfirm as I know you stated before that on your Father's side you do not have any White / caucasiod blood?

Now that you know. Can you explain reason I and uncountable cousins of mine from partrilineal lineage have natural wavy/curly hair while some with straight hair?

Adeba01:
Why? Does the notion, though or idea terrify you?

Read this to understand the peculiarity of Yoruba ancestry of neaderthals https://www.newscientist.com/article/2231991-neanderthals-never-lived-in-africa-but-their-genes-got-there-anyway/#ixzz6tp0mEbSi

This support Yoruba information as migrants!

Adeba01:
Have you got anything against dark skin?

No. Idont. Infact I am a faint light colour man. And my family members falls within all form fo Bronze skin colour ;from brown skin to light skin.

Adeba01:
Care to answer my question was your father a half caste / mulatto?

Being a mulatto or not has nothing to do with what I am trying to posit. Among darkskins, do we have different features of physic! So, it's not about Colour of one' skin.

On my own ancestry, I noticed geometric twins birth, curly dreadlock at birth, dwindle Arabic form of curly hair, which I know, looks alike with some East African or Asiatic darkskins people from my father's side.

Interestingly my father never mentioned of having a white man's ancestry to me. So, it marvel my imagination. So at it stands, I do not need to a white man to be happy because melanin that dwells in my skin suits me.

Adeba01:
When you mean scattered across the globe they are no longer part of the youruba people as they are heavily mixed and don't resemble the Yoruba, it would be more appropriate for Brazilians and Cubans to claim their spanish/ portuguese heritage as they look more like their European side than their alleged Yoruba side

Sorry to disappoint you.The original yorubas were not darkskins but married into darkskin peoples. This is the reason many of you are darkskins.