₦airaland Forum

poeticsoldier:
Congratulations to the young prince and incoming king.On a lighter mood their names are always breath taking.Person wey get asthma fit faint when pronouncing their names.

T he name is not breathtaking. Ignorance lot like strangers like you and others find it hard to believe Yoruba encompass part of Niger Delta.

gregyboy:
Can you imagine laws are not respected in Nigeria

Your ignorace is beyond redemption . How can you compare Yoruba tradition with your Nigeria or Bini? Obviously , you are full of filth.

Efewestern:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/04/breaking-itsekiri-nation-unveils-new-olu-of-warri-designate-announces-passage-of-ikenwoli/amp/

Seems OP is right with his claims. Tsola is now Itsekiri's Olu-elect

Cc: mynd44

Wow!

scholes0:
Igala is just Yoruba language corrupted by Jukun and Idoma (Kwararafa) accent.

The corruption of the original proto-Yoruba tongue into modern Igala happened when their ancestors broke off from the main branch west of the Niger Benue confluence into the area east of it. That is why the bulk of Yoruboid language speakers are on the west, while Igala is the only appendage on the other side with unrelated neighbors..... Igala shares ZERO mutual intelligibility with all the languages surrounding it. Its closest linguistic neighbours and ancestors start from the Lokoja area all the way to Central Togo.

Even the Eastern Nigeria of Ibo groups extraction adopted a corrupted version of Yoruba language in hers, when in reality, the Yoruba language had been in existence in Africa before 2690 BC. This is the reason Yoruba language is being compared with Coptic Egyptians language that existed as closely-related dialects which descended from the Ancient Egyptian language and historically spoken by the Copts of Egypt.

Coptic was supplanted by Egyptian Arabic as the primary spoken language of Egypt following the Muslim conquest of Egypt, although it remains in use today as the liturgical language of the Coptic Church. Innovations in grammar, phonology, and the influx of Greek loanwords distinguish Coptic from earlier periods of the Egyptian language. It is written with the Coptic alphabet, a modified form of the Greek alphabet with several additional letters borrowed from the Demotic Egyptian script

Demotic is the ancient Egyptian script derived from northern forms of hieratic used in the Nile Delta, and the stage of the Egyptian language written in this script, following Late Egyptian and preceding Coptic.

The Egyptian Coptic language is an Afro-Asiatic language which was spoken in ancient Egypt. Its attestation stretches over an extraordinarily long time, from the Old Egyptian stage (mid-4th millennium BC, Old Kingdom of Egypt). Its earliest known complete written sentence has been dated to about 2690 BC, which makes it one of the oldest recorded languages known, along with Sumerian.

Many Edo brainwashed descendants have always wanted to redicule Yoruba ethnic groups without evidence when in fact, Bini language is a corrupted version of Yoruba language as same with Igala. The down southern part of Edo is Ijekiri/Ishekiri ,who influenced Bini with Yoruba's language and to the North Eastern flank of Bini is Yoruba land which influenced Edo with her language through contact with Yoruba enclaves and ifaodu religion, which is religion of Ela.

Felabarmudia:
See what I found below.

Explaining migration theories to a deviant whose view is based on a partial part of the oral will not agree to a well studied research from renowned archeologists, linguists, anthropologist ,Historians, etc who have shown that Yoruba groups have plausible theories of wave of migration, from outside West Africa, which point to Mesopotamia to North Africa; Egypt, Morocco , Sudan and to West Africa.

Ogungbemi01:
The controversy surrounding the Itsekiri kingship tussle has been finally put to rest as 99.5% of Itsekiris insist that the controversial edict which disqualified a prince whose mother is not from Edo origin does not emanate from the people and should be totally discarded. They insist that they are Yoruba speaking people in Delta State who have no relationship with Bini people. They wondered why an edict should be made to exclude the parent tribe that gave birth to Itsekiri. All Itsekiri communities migrated from Yoruba. It is therefore against our interest to disqualify prince Shola on the basis of an edict that was made for selfish interest to narrow the search for an Oluto a particular person they had in mind. What Itsekiris have demostrated is that the people are bigger than the controversial edict. Prince Tsola Emiko whose mother is Yoruba has been chosen as Omoba elect. Congratulations.

Truth is bitter

Amujale:
According to history, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ, the story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Fake indeed!

Tacitus’s wrote his last work, titled Annals, written c. 116–117 C.E., includes a biography of Nero. In 64 C.E., during a fire in Rome, Nero was suspected of secretly ordering the burning of a part of town where he wanted to carry out a building project, so he tried to shift the blame to Christians. This was the occasion for Tacitus to mention Christians, whom he despised. This is what he wrote—the following excerpt is translated from Latin by Robert Van Voorst: TACIT CONFIRMATION.

Roman historian Tacitus’s last major work, Annals, mentions a “Christus” who was executed by Pontius Pilate and from whom the Christians derived their name.
Tacitus’s brief reference corroborates historical details of Jesus’ death from the New Testament.

Now, the screenshot below is The pictured volume of Tacitus’s works which was from the turn of the 17th century. The volume’s title page features Plantin Press’s printing mark depicting angels, a compass and the motto Labore et Constantia (“By Labor and Constancy”). Photo: Tacitus, Opera Quae Exstant, trans. by Justus Lipsius (Antwerp, Belgium: Ex officina Plantiniana, apud Joannem Moretum, 1600). Courtesy of the Philadelphia Rare Books & Manuscripts Co. (PRB&M).

Can you see, how ignorant you are my dear brother ?Study to verify before posting incoherent information.

Amujale:
There's nothing imaginary about African intellectual properties.

The same cannot be said about all these foreign extremist ideologies that are based on false narratives and fictional characters.

African history comprises of Arts, Architecture, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Economics, Engineering, Fishing, Law, Mathematics, Medical Sciences, Metallurgy, Mining, Philosophy, Physical Sciences, Ship-building e.t.c

These are the things we ought to return to studying extensively.

Simply due to the fact that you're incapable of comprehending intellect, doesn't make it not feasible.

Not feasible to you, that's on you dude.

Lol. Show me archeological findings,with written document, on metallurgical ,mining etc, which are related to machines or keep these assumptions off this platform. Stop posting lies up and down.

Religion is the only the aspect you beat your cheast over and to burst your bubble, religion was so serious in Near East from ancient times that, it became exported to Africa and to other parts of the world. I doubt if you realise that, Christianity overan Africa religious beliefs from Near East from 100AD. Even Ethiopians of old, acknowledged Yeshua existence during Yeshua's lifetime. I am sure you barely know so.

Amujale:
According to history, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ, the story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

I am tired of your perpetual ignorance. It is self deluding and you are good at it. I mock you seriously. Meanwhile, you haven't answered the questions I asked , Why jumping gun? Kindly do on Ela, Yeshua and Ríshá. Proof your depth in Yoruba tradition and not gibberish Africanism! I am a light bronze skin man � and proud of my ancestry. We boast in our Yoruba tradition , which both Arabic and Christianity emerged from.

Note: Answer my fucking questions

Amujale:
All that is nonsensical rhetoric.

He never claimed to have found any proof of a Jesus Christ character.

Just imagining a non specialist antagonising renowned lecturer in Judaism? You are a petty joke.

Amujale:
Yeshua, Jesus, whatever you want to call that character, is solely based on fiction.


Most of the misconception comes from the fact that people claim to be historians but aren't they are Christian historians engaging in a quest for a historical Jesus when defacto they're actually engaging in malicious theology, a theology that is indeed without historical basis.

For instance, Byronr McCane doesnt claim to have found any evidence for a Jesus Christ character, historical or archeological.

He's coming from the topic from the angle of a practicing Christian.

Byrone McCane studies burials, that has no connection to the topic of proving that the Jesus Christ character ever existed.

You see ,one of my greatest concern is how you posit view from imagination,based on self pan Africanism, which is baseless and not feasible. This indeed amase me, which makes me laugh over your view that's way off line.

1. Scholars don't become emotional with facts because, we are professionals.So, Christianity is like every other people's Religion or form of communion with self believing God. This doesn't change the fact that God
exist even if some people don't believe such ideology.

2. Byrone didn't studied burial only but a wide range in archeological studies and history in Judaism as a lecturer in Atlantic university. So stop using defamatory words on renowned scholars. And Byrone never claimed to be what he isn't because he is a specialist in archeology and history and not like you that's just mere commentator without fact in his field of studies.

3. Thirdly you lied, when you said, “Byrone McCane doesn't claimed to have found any evidence of Jesus Christ character historical or archeological", because he did mentioned it perfectly.It is important to state here that the abundance of historical texts converts the real existence of Jesus into what McCane defines as a,

“broad and deep consensus among scholars,” regardless of their religious beliefs. “I do not know, nor have I heard of, any trained historian or archaeologist who has doubts about his existence,” he adds.



Even ,Professor Eric Meyer; Emeritus of Jewish studies at Duke University (USA) is a renowned personality in his field of studies and never was he emotional as you and others do online just because of sentiments.

According to Meyers, “Jesus in ancient Palestine was noble and changed the world for good.” And that, he adds, is “hard, if not impossible, to deny.”
So stop abusing well researched studies on an area you don't know a pinch about but speculation.

Now, answer my questions

Are Élà Yèshùá, Ríshá fictitious are also as being acknowledged and worshiped in Yoruba tradition ?

Is the worship of Èlù rōgbo(Yèshùá) , the son of morèmí who was offered as sacrifice but rose up after proclaimed dead and ascended unto heaven in Yoruba tradition also fictitious? Please, if you have issue with Europeans , kindly don't posit view , contrary to evidence

Yeshua is real as any human breathe, which some scholars have posited.

For instance, Byrone McCane ,an Archeologist and historian of religion and Judaism at the Atlantic University of Florida (USA) agrees with an Author : Peter Gertner, that, “The crucifixion of Jesus is one of the episodes generally accepted by historians.

However, Byron McCane, he says , both the baptism and the crucifixion are stories that the first Christians are unlikely to have invented, since neither of them “supports their interests in any way,”. “The baptism shows Jesus to be a disciple of (and therefore inferior to) John the Baptist, and the crucifixion was a humiliating punishment reserved for criminals.

Although, according to the experts very few of some evidences been provided are accepted but can be considered rigorously historical. In particular, the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist and his crucifixion are the only two episodes generally accepted, but not by all. The crucifixion is safe, but the baptism is hard to support or locate,” the archaeologist and biblical researcher Eric Meyers, professor emeritus of Jewish studies at Duke University(USA).

Furthermore, in references to Jesus identity, they are not just found in works by Christian authors, an argument that supports the historical authenticity of the character. “Jesus is also mentioned in ancient Jewish and Roman texts,” says McCane. For example, around the year 93, the Pharisee historian Flavius ​​Josephus left in his work Jewish Antiquities at least one indisputable reference to the “brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” Two decades later, the Romans Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus; the latter explained that the founder of the sect of Christians was executed during the mandate of Emperor Tiberius, when Pontius Pilate was governing in Judea.

According to Meyers, “Jesus in ancient Palestine was noble and changed the world for good.” And that, he adds, is “hard, if not impossible, to deny.”In short, the abundance of historical texts converts the real existence of Jesus into what McCane defines as a “broad and deep consensus among scholars,” regardless of their religious beliefs. “I do not know, nor have I heard of, any trained historian or archaeologist who has doubts about his existence,” he adds. With the weight of all this evidence, for Meyers “those who deny the existence of Jesus are like the deniers of climate change.”

Christistruth00:
More Yoruba Words with Similar English sounds and meanings

Immunity. E mu ni ti

Dirt. Idoti

OK. Oke

Yam. Iyan. ( Though some say Yam actually came from Iyan)

English's Ok. is abbr. for okay and became loaned into Yoruba's lexicon as same. The same way Arabic words entered as loaned and shared words with Yoruba's. It is important to emphasise here that in 1939, the word okay became accepted in America for ‘oll Korect' in a tabloid printed in March 1939, which is written in British's English as ‘all correct'. This is how that word became American's English and accepted worldwide.

Meanwhile British's English's words such as ,iron,me,in
ruin, yawn,gay, marshal, rich etc are derived from classic Hebrew's language. And these words are Mesopotamia in origin, which are found also Yoruba's and it is not a fluke at all. Dirt is loaned from English's into Yoruba's lexicon as idoti!

Igbo's bia
Arabic's ba(a)
* Ethiopic's ba *
Yoruba's bò(mobo)(bowa/boa)
Hebrew's bo(mobo)(boa)
The above words found across these languages and more means come,



Cheers

Each day that passes, shows NL is been filled daily with self acclaimed authority on specialisation many aren't versed in it. This has become worrisome when contributors want to assert false as truth. This is indeed shocking.

The Op of this thread kept refuting evidence beyond reasonable doubt that eeshua existed over tow thousands of years ago in a pinch space given him on this section. I wish people get banned for falsification and derogatory statement on personalities as Yeshua.

The findings by scholars found out that the oldest written references mentioning Jesus date from after his death. He appears for the first time in the letters of Saint Paul, written between 20 and 30 years after the crucifixion.

It was stated by one out of many researchers that Saint Paul never knew Jesus, although according to Simon Gathercole, the New Testament studies specialist from the University of Cambridge (United Kingdom) explains, he knew “not only Jesus’ disciples but also his brothers,” (in reference particularly to James the Just, whose kinship with Jesus is one of the points of disagreement between different Christian sects).

And couple of decades later, the New Testament Gospels were written, which do appear to contain first-hand testimonies. Yet despite this, according to the experts very few of them can be considered rigorously historical. In particular, the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist and his crucifixion are the only two episodes generally accepted, but not by all. “The crucifixion is safe, but the baptism is hard to support or locate,” the archaeologist and biblical researcher Eric Meyers, professor emeritus of Jewish studies at Duke University (USA).

The crucifixion of Jesus is one of the episodes generally accepted by historians. Author: Peter Gertner, however, for Byron McCane, archaeologist and historian of religions and Judaism at the Atlantic University of Florida (USA), both the baptism and the crucifixion are stories that the first Christians are unlikely to have invented, since neither of them “supports their interests in any way,” he asserts, “The baptism shows Jesus to be a disciple of (and therefore inferior to) John the Baptist, and the crucifixion was a humiliating punishment reserved for criminals.”

A broad consensus among scholars but the ancient references to Jesus are not just found in works by Christian authors, an argument that supports the historical authenticity of the character. “Jesus is also mentioned in ancient Jewish and Roman texts,” says McCane. For example, around the year 93, the Pharisee historian Flavius ​​Josephus left in his work Jewish Antiquities at least one indisputable reference to the “brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.” Two decades later, the Romans Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus; the latter explained that the founder of the sect of Christians was executed during the mandate of Emperor Tiberius, when Pontius Pilate was governing in Judea.


Obviously, the Op didn't realise that the Hebrew as a people were multiracial group and not Europeans as been speculated by him. And infact, these people lived under many Pharaoh's kings. This is just an amazement when I read gibberish online. So, pathetic.


Lastly, GeneralDae, don't waste much of your time on this man because, he being antagonist isn't the problem if there are convincing evidence, through archeological and historical backing up from him. Instead , he swings to and fro to position Africa as all in all. Meanwhile, Africa is is having over a thousand different unrelated languages with diversed means of God worshipping. Ethiopia, Egyptians, Cush (Sudanese group) are the group with knowledge of ancient Hebrew in Afriavu with many evidence via papyrus, pictographs to show the footprint of some of ancient Hebrew in Africa before their multitude disappearance through Sudan belt till date; bearing another name as their identity. Kudos to you because you stated your view as a scholar.

TAO11:
I don’t have the time to repeat myself. However, the sheep and goat (in that image) were not receiving blessings.

And Yoruba kings only point toward you, place on you, wave at you, or/and touch you with their irukere as a way of prayer and good wish — NOT their opa-ashe.

I pray you get the relevance you seek. Bye-bye, abeg.

Modified:
What link to what “Infakul account” have I discussed with you prior to now ??

Have I ever had any such discussion about any so-called “Infakul account of the word Yoruba with you” ??

By the way, there is no meaning of “Yoruba” as “Y R B” in any Infakul.

And I know exactly where you’re going with all these pseudo-smartness.

Cheers!

Perhaps you need reread my post to point out where I mentioned goat and sheep as receiving blessing and if you can't then you are ignorant of what you posted. Obviously you seem to have no retentive memory of what you posted months aback.

Seriously I don't enjoy frivolous juxtaposition any day or any time. I only asked for the link which was once shared as regards the Arabic account of Sultan Bello Infakul Maisuri which after the account to that of Baba Ahmed. But as it stands, keep it .

You need not be myopic over this issue because you absolutely can't go beyond your normal view in this area of limited knowledge you have on it .So mentioning ‘pseudo smartness' shows how unethical you are as a being.

TAO11:
Stop debating against simple, plain, and obvious facts.

The sheep and goat in that image were not about to be blessed with prosperity, success, and breakthrough.

And H.P.C. Buhari didn’t have any ọ̀pá pointed at him during any of his campaign visits to the monarchs

Cheers!

Not debating simple and obvious photo you posted which seemingly simple before plain eyes but the reality is that , Yoruba kings prayers as this can't be in comparison between Jonathan's and the Sheep or ram's.

Ram as sacrifical animal represents appeasement to God for a king to be an authority on the throne, ancestors appeasement for breakthrough in one's life, ancestors remembrance, dedication of successful child's birth , as Ifaodu initiate etc.


Opa Ashe is actually not the authority but the kings! Though, represents the kings at times if need be sent through a servant (s).And stretching the rod towards the object or subject only signified that the Yoruba kings prayed the power that reside with them being invoked to support Jonathan to ascend to the presidency position. Naturally, the Kings in Yoruba land are Igba keji Risa; Second in command to God Almighty or ancestors. Risa or Orisa are ancient word for Yoruba men who has ascended to heaven in Yoruba confined beliefs in their religion after such person's demise or simply a Yoruba individual with great exploit on earth and these people are actually small gods,who are in the image of Almighty God ,who is the Risa ‘himself'.

Basically, logic don't naturally work solely in this regard because each ethnic group have a form of Opa Ashe in their enclave amongst their kings. So, you need not compare these two photos of ram and a man because, ram's/sheep aren't worshiped in Yoruba land but as outstanding animal for sacrifce. Meanwhile, the Opa Ashe stretched towards Jonathan is a prayer for his success, and long life, and acceptance as a son to them all.


Lastly, I am not interested in dragging issue with you on this part because, your depth is quite different from mine. I however, will want to see the link to that Infakul account of the word Yoruba,in which I have seen 1930s account which was posited as being stated in the Infakul as Y R B.


Cheers .

TAO11:
Lol at the bolded above.

Trust me Yoruba monarchs offer prayers with their ìrùkẹ̀rẹ̀ (fly-whisk), and NOT by pointing their ọ̀pá (staff) at the person.

They will only point their ọ̀pá at you (in the precise manner as was done to H.P.C.* Jona) if you were to be some sort of sacrificial offering.

Compare and contrast the two images (yours above and mine below) to spot the commonalities. Let me know if you still need further clarification.

For reference to the image below, see:

Suzanne Preston Blier, “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba: Ife History, Power, and Identity, c. 1300,” Cambridge University Press (2015), p. 322.

Cc: Ideadoctor, nisai, Balogunodua, babtoundey, LegendHero, gomojam, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, TimeManager, RuggedSniper, haffaze777, forgiveness, Olu317, Amujale

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* H.P.C. = His Presidential Cluelessness.

Lol. I want to believe, the prayer by those kings were politically based because,kings don't reject their subjects. I can recall, the Rtd General that defeated President Jona also went around for such support and prayers . In fact, this man went to RCCG and knelt down before Pastor E.A Adeboye.

Thus, Irukere's form of prayer is quite different from Opa Alashe's. So, I want to believe, prayers for politicians are mere identification with whoever goes to King(s) for support, which is always a norm in Yoruba land. The reason is that even within same family, we have seen cousins, siblings toeing different political ideology without rancour but based on principles. So, don't make it look like Yoruba kings sacrificed Jona for Nigeria.

Prayers can be offered for someone by Kings or Prophets but only Almighty God's view may reject such person. This is the reason, Eleda (Almighty God) is always begged and appease through submission to ‘his' will to give one a victory to shame one's adversary all the time. And if adversary have a edge against one, then one continue to appease one's God.



Cheers.

absoluteSuccess:
Olu baba.

It's been a while brother. Your post reminds of when Tiglat Pilezer II overran Megido and deported the people of northern Israel to northern Assyria circa 720BC.

He rebuilt and rename the place Magiddu. People from Assyria were resettled at the place that used to be the capital city of Israel, Shechem of old.

Isaiah called the place "Galilee Ha goiim" instead, meaning "District of the foreigners". The place is today called Galilee, where Christ once lived.

What's in this for you?

Iga = Galilee
Agoin= Ha goiim
Magiddu = Majidun.

There's the Yoruba proverb, "okun le, agonyin o we". This means "The sea is perturbed, the agonyin won't sail".

Borrowing from the Isaiah's hindsight, you will find core hint of the matter. Agonyin in that proverb represent a foreign visitor to Yoruba side of the sea.

Then because the sea is perturbed, the foreigners couldn't travel. If not for Isaiah's, you may not have known the meaning of the historical terms.

Isaiah was alive during the fall of the northern ten tribes, he'd encouraged Hezekiah to have faith in God, with Syria being a present threat to the survival of the kingdom of Judah.

Magiddu, Galilee, Majidun, what does the three have in common? Sea, names that are relocated. Majidun is a coastline peopled by the Egun, Yoruba foreign neighbors at Ebute Meta.

Would you say Majidun is coincidence with Magiddu? Agonyin with Ha goiim, okun and the sea of Galilee.

Yoruba language is reservoir of beautiful things and wondrous history. Please continue to treasure it and it will make way for you. It's wisdom is infinite.

Greetings to you Sir. It's been a while and I hope you are good.

On your reference and observations, which I don't think from my research support the etyn without consideration to these words or names of places. So, we need be careful about translating these words wrongly because,there are eyes views account of these places in the time past. Although Iga has a written version in Hebrew but slighty written as Igan( inside,yard,etc), which is same as Yoruba's.

Hebrew's Gal is same Ga , which means,lofty,height,etc

Hebrew's Ale is same as Yoruba's Ale, which means mighty, might,strong , powerful. Perhaps, you can combine these two words to understand what Galilee means.

Majidu and Hebrew's Maggidu(o) haven't been scrutinised and will work on it .

Agoin and Ha Agiom haven't been verified as well . Although Haggai , seemingly is a househelp to Abram ,and Sarah until she was slept with by Abram. And according to Briggs, and others, the woman was black headed descendants of African/Asian Bronze skin descent whose part of her Race once lived in Mesopotamia before migration to Africa properly.


Cheers

musicwriter:
St. Augustine is simply saying that the belief around a deity such as Jesus wasn't new. There were other "messiah's and saviors" before anybody heard of Jesus. Indeed, the full quote ends with something like "existed among the ancients and was never not". Simply google the quote and it'll take you to so many sources. Or read it in Christianity before Christ by John G. Jackson.

Well, you do have a point even if what St .Augustine sound as amazement. But none of these people before Yesha,ever pride himself as equal with God through signs and wonders beyond man's imagination.

Secondly, no prophet born of man ever forgave sins as Yeshiva did.

Thirdly, Yeshua was killed and he resurrected ,which no man had done in the past before him and till date,even tomorrow inclusive.

Fourthly, the description of his coming had been prophesied five hundred years before he was born. Infact, Yerimayah (Jerimayah), and other prophets mentioned his coming. Aries( King Apries of Egypt) , was part of Yerimayah prophecies , in which he spoke of the warrior saviour ,whom through the Hebrew will be saved. There is archeological evidence to these information i.e Ideograms account. Papyrus of Septuagints in Egypt affirms Hebrew Ideology as unique form of serving God.


Fiftly, Persian,Greeks,Romans, Assyrian, Egyptians etc have written account of Yeshua; the Messiayah. These accounts supports and confirm his birth and the ideology of God worshiping pattern, which is different from the old form i.e God being acknowledged as friend, and accessible to all without connecting through any prophets but through self interaction.

macof:
1. You wouldn't know this. It's not like there's any additional to the story that is coming from Igbo speaking towns.. The entire story from start to finish exists only in Yorùbá speaking areas but somehow the grand story is about Igbos and only the tiny piece is about yorubas

2. "Igbo" is standard Yoruba dialect, "Ugbo" is central and south Eastern Yoruba dialects... Which both Ife and Ilaje fall into, so yes Ugbo is actually what they called themselves then, as they still do now
As far as historians can 'recall' is also all you have. So what is the issue exactly?

Ùgbo is older than Igbo as a word in Yoruba land with variant meaning. Infact, ùbo is the ancient word for bush, raffia etc.This word is spoken in ancient Ileife,Ijebu enclave etc.

macof:
1. You wouldn't know this. It's not like there's any additional to the story that is coming from Igbo speaking towns.. The entire story from start to finish exists only in Yorùbá speaking areas but somehow the grand story is about Igbos and only the tiny piece is about yorubas

2. "Igbo" is standard Yoruba dialect, "Ugbo" is central and south Eastern Yoruba dialects... Which both Ife and Ilaje fall into, so yes Ugbo is actually what they called themselves then, as they still do now
As far as historians can 'recall' is also all you have. So what is the issue exactly?

Ùgbo is older than Igbo as a word in Yoruba land with variant meaning. Infact, ùbo is the ancient word for bush, raffia etc.This word is spoken in ancient Ileife,Ijebu enclave.

PeaceLoveJoy:
If it is real a your breath, please how did you learn about it if the ifa corpus is not available?

Go visit Ifaodu priest and make enquiry on yourself. Perhaps, you will learn few immedaite worries of yours and you will stop being ignorant.

Oricrown24:
i see no reason why the Yoruba's migration story should cause issues or can't be true.
history has it were is always written by the victors of war and they tell it to suit themselves, also any race that has experienced slavery can not have a complete history. it is in the habit of the Oyinbos to capture the scholars in their victims community first, rename things, rewrite things in a way that it will be difficult to trace their roots. MY point ( IF THE BIBLE ITSELF STATES AND POINTS TO THE FACT THE HEBREWS WERE BLACK AND WHEN I SAY BLACK I MEAN OUR COLOUR) AND COMPARING YORUBA CULTURE AND COSTUMES TO THAT OF THE HEBREWS YOU FIND DIRECT SIMILARITIES)

You are right. It is only few Yoruba elemnts:

1. who are ignorants on oral Yoruba knowledge will deny migration account that are stated in Ifaodu corpus.

2.Who are lacking 0% pedigree in Ideogram reading claims they know but are mere frustrated elements.

3.Who are lacking the reality that excavation in Israel did show pictographs Hebrew as peculiar black,Cacausians etc Race asfoundinSouth America, Central Americas etc

4. Who are Lacking the knowledge that Hebrew married Egyptians,Cush (core black people)are claiming the Bible didnt mentioned it .

Furthermore, dont be swayed by ignorants because each time a nation is captured, their scholars such as king (if not killed though often killed)but princes, princesses,priests,priests descendants,votaries ,worshippers of such nation God are the ones taken as captives. So, dont waste your time with anyone who cannot defend what he posit as non migratoy account of the Yorubas.


Cheers

PeaceLoveJoy:
Lol...the terrible things in it were brought to light. The changes made to Bible have been published. The dark days have been brought to light. Justice and healing are going on. We know the truth about it. The truth is what you have just said and I will never deny it. No one can deceive anyone. You know the truth. Why? It was published. Right open for everyone to study. You see that it is not what you want to follow, and you refuse to follow it.

I am black and black is not secret. You are just dark. Stop hiding under the excuse white men raped you.

Oga, you need to wose up. You are still following your foo..lish papas and mamas who allowed the white man to deceive them. See you are mu.mu part 2. Still following those idi..ots that allowed white to make them look like fo..ols. Can you see that you are really smart..lol.


You are very right. But Islam and Christianity have something in common, the books are readily available. Or do you want to deny it?


Lol. I agreed you know that it was programming. And we can reprogram it all because it is out there now. It is why you can talk about it. Is it not so? But yours is dark. I doubt you know it. You are just trying to make cash from it from ignorant people here. Lol. Mr consultant.....just dey collect money from mu.mus.

Talking about arguing....not with you and me. I cannot argue with you. I am challenging you. No time for argument. Here is the challenge: Bring out your Ifa Corpus. Bring the book out. You and your so called baba and mama are all scammers. The Bible and Quran are out. And you can scrutinize them. It is why you know how swords were used. We know the parts deleted and added. We know it all. But guy, bring yours out. If you are sure it is the great whatever it is, bring it out. Are you not dark hiding it?


I am not interested in what ever you call it. To heck with spirituality or whatever you call it. I am concerned with one thing: bring out your Ifa Corpus. Stop twisting all here. It is only one thing I ask you. Bring out your ifa corpus.

If you cannot, your god is a powerless and yeye god. It is a shadow of itself. The Muslim are bold to bring their out and talk about Allah. You can read the books. Christians are bold to bring theirs out and I have given you the link. If you are sure of your god, bring yours out. You are a coward like your powerless god. You and your god are dark. It is simple as ABC. Bring out your ifa corpus. I want to read it. I want to study it. What are you and your papas/ mamas hiding.

Readers, I am sorry for you if you consult these ones. They are dark. Very deceptive people. Where is their corpus that has anatomy, geography, medicine, pharmaceutical science, etc? Na lie soooooooo. Do you want to know what are there? How to crush and pound 1 day old baby with black soap and say some useless things. How to make ritual money with human blood. And many dark things one should not even read.

I challenge you. Bring out your Ifa corpus. If you cannot, you are a coward. You and your god are not normal. Fake! Fake!! Fake!!!

Stop covering it up with any excuse. Where is your ifs corpus?

Ifaodu is as real as thy breath. Dont condemn what you have no knowledge, on it. Take it easy if you are Yoruba.The ancient Yorubas are the chosen people of God and are not heathens.

Magmata:
Is this your post really meant for the post you quoted, or you misquote?

If yes, I'll advice you read again.

You are right. I quoted amiss. Sorry about that.

Obalufon:
Western world is dealing with them just like Ethiopia.. Anyone that oppose their rule will pay they don't forgive....Look at the way they dealt with Zimbabwe the government of Zimbabwe has returned the land back to them he white devils

Dont waste your time with ignorance that condemn Ifaodu.

Magmata:
On point

One thing about ignorance is the blind confidence with which it operates.

One will never realize how idiotic some religious dogmas are until you take a balanced look at everything.

Brainwashing is a terrible thing, especially when one lives in a brainwashed society. You'll never realize how stupid you are until reasoning kicks in.

It's now the duty of every serious individuals to diligently seek spiritual knowledge (not for material gains) and free his soul from this horrible entanglements.

For the arguments, it's a total waste of energy.

Okay. (Modified).

Ideadoctor:
Do you hear what I said earlier, I have moved with afrelist when I was growing up,human sacrifice to Ogun is something they proudly mention, this is no British bastardization, this is from the Ogun worshippers themselves.

You can please mention the verses in the Bible that support racism and oppression,I am waiting, but if you can't find it,please don't mention it again

If you have no knowledge of Yoruba form of veneration,worship and tradition, then ask question.Trust me, you dont have knowledge of Ogùn form of worship.

If people make human sarifice, in the name of Ogùn , doesnt mean, it is unto Ogùn. The reality is that ignorance is a great disease,which made yoruba ancestors asserts, 'èrí yéyé lo mọ ogùn aì ṣẹ lo pọ̀.'

Yoruba ancestors carefully understand what they believe and how to relate with God precept by precept. So, I beseech you to go once in a while to visit celebration of ogùn ájọbọ́ to understand a form of ogùn veneration.

ImperialYoruba:
My brother, Happy New Year o!
Shortly after my return from that 6 months ban they banned me again for over a year. It was so long I wasn't even aware when the ban lapsed.
Na this Ibarapa matter made me check my login and I found ban expired. Nairaland is worse than SARS. Awon were.

Same here. May almighty God favours you and the rest of us. Meanwhile, I expect Seun Oshewa, to do something about unnecessary ban because, it drives away good content writers and uptodate informants,irrespective, how it goes down or not with opponents.

I hope, he will look into these issues and find lasting solution to unwarranted ban.Perhaps, monikers can be warned,call to order and ban if such personality refuse to heed to advise for a short period of time. So, as to make the platform more civil and encourage intellectuals posit......


Cheers

ImperialYoruba:
Hmmm...quite interesting. Could "A j e (sorcerer) be related with A j a n & A l u j o n u?

Umghhh! Ájẹẹ́( euphemism )can be considered to be cognate to the word Áján (jinn) but a drift away from it. This word is associated with feeding or eat. And subsequently substituted for ọbọ̀(familiar spirit),which covers up for the personality of witchery, or sorcery.

Interestingly, Áján has a unification of balance of positive and negative force that can be activated within these spiritualbeings,which are likened to Me-álè-ká / Me-élè-ká(speaking spirit of mighty God ),but the latter differs because of the one who controls them.

Meanwhile, Ìmọ̀lẹ / Ìmàlẹ are the intermediaries between man and God. While Me-álè-ká / Me-élè-ká(speaking spirit of mighty God) are the intermediaries between God and man, incorporated in Ifaodu.

Abohboy:
This is also open to the igbos, ewe, fon and nupe becuase they all used the same divination system as the Yoruba just under different names

I call for any single Nigerian, Ghanaian, Togolese, beninoise person to debate me on Christianity or Islam being the true religion over ifa, afa, efa. I assure you I will win the facts I provide will override any point you can possibly make.

Not the same divination system with Yorubas. Study harder.