₦airaland Forum

lefulefu:
tell me which man wants to date a lazy parasitic girl
except maybe if he is a potential maga

hiawathia81:
Hello everyone,

I am interested in learning the Yoruba language. What would be the most effective or efficient way to do this? Please only positive vibes.

bigfrancis21:
The dude still does not get it at all. It seems he does not understand a question before posting his long epistles that still do not answer the very question asked.

Makapedia:
@WEB.ORG.NG

Ogun State Governor, Ibikunle Amosun led delegation to Cardiff, Wales to watch & cheer Anthony Joshua over the weekend.

The Ogun State born British boxer defeated Joseph Parker over the weekend to earn his 4th World Heavyweight title. Anthony's father is from Ogun state.

BY WEB NIGERIA : http://web.org.ng/1534/ogun-state-governor-ibikunle-amosun-strikes-meets-anthony-joshua-after-he-defeated-joseph-parker/


https://web.org.ng/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/A8SYYD.jpg

Konquest:
Boyz II Men - Pass You [Released: 2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opZR1V31UYw

Classic!

macof:
Ancestry linked to Olukumi of Ugbodu? Because you see "Lucumi" and "Olukumi" Lmao. Ok
But what is the evidence to back up your claims?

bigfrancis21:
The Anagó Language of Cuba
Maria J. Concordia (page 10)
http://digitalcommons.fiu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1841&context=etd

bigfrancis21:
@bold...Basically, you wrote a long epistle on something that I already know just to end up saying the same exact thing I said earlier?

macof:
You don't understand a bit.

That Yorubas in Cuba are called lukumi doesnt mean they are from the olukumi of delta state.
"Oluku" is a very common word found in eastern and central Yoruba dialects. And what is Olukumi language gan? Nothing like that. It's just a dialect of Yoruba language. So your reference to Cuba or the Americas should be a general Yoruba connection not Olukumi connection

bigfrancis21:
You see sometimes the picture some self-professed African historians paint online tends to differ from the reality on ground. I just wanted to point out that Olukumi/lakumi/Yoruba language is not alive per se in Latin America. Your idea of a living language is different from what is officially classified living language. A living language is one which is actively used at home, in church, in the market, amongst generations etc. In Brazil or Cuba, Lukumi is extinct in that sense, and is only used as a liturgical language by Ifa priests during religious ceremonies, just as Latin is sometimes used in the Catholic church. Also, understand that Ifa adherents usually don't understand what's being said by the priest just as most catholics don't understand Latin sometimes used in mass. Thus, just as no one speaks Latin as their native language in the world today, there are no native speakers of Lukumi in Spanish America. After Ifa ceremonies are over, everyone returns home speaking Spanish or Portuguese as the case may be. A few people may have a smattering of Olukumi here and there which they individually learned on their own, but if a language is not being actively used then the language is extinct in that area/region. Look up UNESCO's classification of language strength. In that sense, if Olukumi is only understood or read off from a book during religious ceremonies, by dedicated Ifa priests, then it did give into Spanish or Portguese in these countries. This is just being able to see things as they are without being subjective about it.

GeniusHawlah:
Hmmmmmm
It would have been awesome having a video tape of it but no problem still.
I still have a part of me doubting.
Thanks for your comment sha.

darfay:
Their language is not dead as Bigfrancis would have us believe. I have a friend who is from there and everybody thinks she is Yoruba(her name is typically Yoruba) until she told us she is from Delta state ugbodu to be precise although her second name is igbo

GeniusHawlah:
My question is "how did it happen?"
Aláàfin sent it through wave (wireless) or physical contact (wired connection)

If we can plainly explain those things behind their "jujus", Africans too can be investing you know.


What happened to that poor man could just be lil portion of dog rabies in his food.

I dont care whatever it is sha, they should explain or keep the secret! If technology was hidden we would say it is juju. Iranu!

PreyeIjo:
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Stop ranting like a deranged idiot I am Ijaw not even Edo , even the black panther movie acknowledged Benin Kingdoms Cultural relevance in Africa .

I might not like Edo antics of late concerning gelegele but I will pick my Edo cousins over Yoruba anyday!

Ranting like a peacock when there was nothing called Yoruba until 1913 when you were named so by the Fulani's

Small boy you better ShutUp!!

PreyeIjo:
[s]=tolufase post=66267114]The arrogant Oba of Lagos finally respect himself by doing the needful.[/quote[/s]]

He greeted the ooni shoulder to shoulder so get of your crippled horse .... Oba of Eko bows to nobody but pays homage to one king alone The Oba of Benin!!

Konquest:
^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^
@DevanSanguine

I like the perspective that you brought by posting the 1921 picture of the Emir of Katsina with
what looks like a version of the Eternal knot or Solomon's knot... which is even different from
the Arewa Knot[Dagin Arewa] design!

By the way he wasn't wearing shoes? Why did he go about shoeless?
Northern Nigeria produced a LOT of leather at that time.


Four Hausa gun carriers of the South Nigerian Regiment in traditional clothing (1902 photo by John Benjamin Stone)
[img]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Four_Hausa_Gun_Carriers_of_the_South_Nigerian_Regiment_by_Sir_(John)_Benjamin_Stone_cropped.jpg[/img]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kanogate2.jpg

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people





AREWA KNOT [DAGIN AREWA]
Arewa Knot is among those symbols which their hidden secret have not been discovered and its origin remains unknown. We have been told that it represents “Unity in Diversity”, but sometimes history is not what we have been told.

The Arewa knot is an emotive symbol of Northern Nigerian adopted by Sir Alhaji Ahmadu Bello (Sardauna of Sokoto) as a political identity. The symbol was adopted in the 1950s when Nigerian elites were preparing for political independence from Britain. (Ochonu 2008)

The symbol represents “Unity in Diversity”, which was encapsulated in the “One North” philosophy that was used to fight for representation and privileges for Northern Nigeria and to counter what was perceived as Southern Nigerian persecution and political domination. (Ochonu 2008).

Similarly, with the Arewa Knot losing its true meaning or yet to be discovered, it only remains a symbol used for decorating houses and clothing and adopted as Northern Nigerian emblem; Northern Nigerian political identity (in the 1950s) without a true meaning.

"CHRISTIAN ORIGIN"
Among the recent findings is the work of Ibrahim A. Waziri (2009) which he gathered while trying to trace the origin of this symbol and significance. He visited Arewa House which contains all documented northern Nigerian historical artefacts and archives, but there was no trace of its origin, let alone why Sir Ahmadu Bello the Sardauna of Sokoto adopted it as Northern Nigerian insignia knowing of its Christian origin.

In his assertion (Waziri, 2009), the Northern Nigerian insignia which is of Christian origin was adopted by Hausas as the Northern Nigerian emblem (political identity) under the guidance of Sir Ahmadu Bello Sardauna of Sokoto...

SOURCE: ===> https://nurasiya./2016/12/14/arewa-knot-dagin-arewa-the-origin/



You can read more here on the different types of Solomon's knot:


"WHAT IS SOLOMON’S KNOT?"

Each of the following images are variations of the symbol known as Solomon’s Knot, imbolo, the Celtic Foundation Knot, or the Nigerian Knot, and each of the variations has been held sacred by a culture in the many thousands of years since it was first drawn by early man.

To understand the significance of this enduring symbol read "Seeing SOLOMON’S KNOT" by Lois Rose Rose
with © photographs by Joel Lipton.

===> http://www.loisroserose.com/Lois_Rose_Rose/A_WORLD_of_Sacred_Images.html

1. IST PICTURE BELOW IS A ROYAL CROWN YORUBA BEAD WORK WITH SOLOMON KNOT/ETERNAL KNOT DESIGN
2. 2ND PICTURE BELOW IS THE AREWA KNOT
3. HAUSA IN NIGERIA
4. HAUSA IN NIGER REPUBLIC
SOURCES:==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_people

Cc: sasalite

bigfrancis21:
You are mixing things up. I was not referring to the beginning of the existence of Olukwumi people in general. I was referring to the arrival of these people from Ondo State to Delta State. Their kith and kin may have existed in Ondo state since 9th or 10th century etc but those that arrived in Delta State (present-day Odiani clan) are recent migrants. That's the point.

bigfrancis21:
I do not agree with you. The settlement of the Olukwumi people is no earlier than the 18th century. They are a fairly recent immigrant group to Delta Igboland, which explains why the language survived up till now, especially in Ugbodu, given its location at the extreme of Delta Igbo North which helped to minimize the natural acculturation through which 3 other Olukwumi villages became completely Igbonized.

Explorers:
Over 70years ago, a farmer beheaded a chicken in Colorado, and it refused to die.

Mike, as the bird became known, survived for 18 months and became famous.

But how did he live without a head for so long, asks Chris Stokel-Walker.



On 10 September 1945 Lloyd Olsen and his wife Clara were killing chickens, on their farm in Fruita, Colorado.

Olsen would decapitate the birds, his wife would clean them up. But one of the 40 or 50 animals that went under Olsen's hatchet that day didn't behave like the rest.

They got down to the end and had one who was still alive, up and walking around, says the couple's great-grandson.

The chicken kicked and ran, and didn't stop.

It was placed in an old apple box on the farm's screened porch for the night, and when Lloyd Olsen woke the following morning, he stepped outside to see what had happened.


"The damn thing was still alive," says Waters.

macof:
Good point. However the story still isn't complete
Lots of loopholes and questions that arise from a claim like this
I think even you can agree to that

macof:
The analysis are clear... take a look at other towns that are 500 years or more they have a list of around 40 kings.
Oloza is "oloja" in standard Yoruba dialect and this title is for leaders of small towns and villages so the idea of "small settlements before the king list" is out of it. . Oloza Adetola could not have reigned as early as 1500AD. That's not even a typical 1500AD Yoruba name

Of course when you have better reasons to believe otherwise please post them

macof:
The analysis are clear... take a look at other towns that are 500 years or more they have a list of around 40 kings.
Oloza is "oloja" in standard Yoruba dialect and this title is for leaders of small towns and villages so the idea of "small settlements before the king list" is out of it. . Oloza Adetola could not have reigned as early as 1500AD. That's not even a typical 1500AD Yoruba name

Of course when you have better reasons to believe otherwise please post them

Konquest:
^^^^^
^^^^^
He did NOT turn the visit down at the last minute... He was actually indispossed
as a result of his illness. Your post is very misleading. OK?

I agree though that HIS VISIT is part of the 2019 campaign strategy to start connecting
with all APC states and Nigeria in general because he has taken a very heavy
beating this year... image-wise.

I do NOT think PMB should contest again but APC should get an urbane presidential
aspirant such as Aminu Tambuwal of APC to finish up the remaining 4 years left for
the north ... then it will go to S/E. PMB needs to REST[His blunders are evident... although
maybe unintended because of his illness and old age] and allow more dynamism in
government at the Federal levelafter implementing the "Report on the RESTRUCTURING"
of that Nigeria. He will seal his name in the "sands of time" if he takes a bow!


Thanks to @naptu2, @deomelo, and everyone for your beautiful contributions
and clear pictures on this thread.

macof:
Really funny stuff. Igbos gave Olukumi people land who gives that much land

But the Olukumi cannot have been up to 500 years in that area, that is as old as Ondo city which is highly improbable. The language factor is too strongly linked to yorubaland(the francis guy tried underplaying that to make it seem the dialect is dying) such that is it unlike for them to have been amidst Igbo speakers for over 500 years. They have had only 24 Olozas, too small a number for "over 500 years" of monarchy
The names of the early olozas are typical post-1700AD Yoruba names

bigfrancis21:
Lol. Olukwumis have been present in Delta Igbo land for over 500 years? Not true. Their settlement in the area is quite recent - about 200 to 300 years or 4 to 5 generations ago, which explains why the language sort of survived till now.

Second, since the Olukwumis still remember where exactly in Ondo state they came from, they are always free to return to their ancestral land. No Igbo, be it on NL or in real life, has tried to 'force' them to be anything they aren't. If for nothing, we gave them space and succor when they fled their original hometown and landed in our area as refugees, and they should be grateful for that for letting them in when they needed safety the most. Over time, natural adaptation took its course and most of them became Igbonized and switched to Igbo language, name and culture. However, given the option to return to their ancestral Ondo state, I doubt if most would want to, except the fanatical minority who are deeply interested in that. Over 70% of these people are deeply as Igbo as any south-easterner in language, culture and names. Every single one of them speaks Igbo as first language or maybe some speak it as second language and a much lesser percentage (especially the elderly) are bilingual in Olukwumi or an Olukwumi-Igbo mix as well. As for suddenly giving up Igbo and speaking Olukwumi only I doubt if this is feasible because Igbo language is what connects them to the greater Anioma Igbo and deciding to let go of the language would not benefit them in any way, alienate them from the greater Anioma fold and remind them of their 'immigrant' status in Delta state.

Mrop:
This is the famous Legend Fela Anikulapo and One of his son.

Who knows who this son his.


Gist from Praizeupdates

http://www.praizeupdates.com/see-this-throwback-photo-of-fela-anikulapo-and-one-of-his-son/

BabaRamota1980:
Apparently you had no clue that palm oil is a product along the Southern Forest belt and was not in exclusion to Ibo. From West to Midwest to South and East were palm oil plantations and rubber plantations. Mumu

bjayx:
So many shiiit happening in the afonja part of this shiiithole

Konquest:
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
Beautiful history...

Cc: Olu317

Konquest:
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@BabaRamota1980

You are correct in your submission about
the Eternal knot. That guy who said the
Eternal knot is from the north must be a young
person.

A senior politician and member of Arewa Consultative
Forum from the north said in a published
newspaper article that I read around 2002
that Sir Ahmadu Bello got the design
of the popular Eternal knot design when
he visited Yorubaland and he loved the
design, so he incorporated it into the
emblem of the Arewa... to such an extent
that the design has become ubiquitous
in the Northern part of Nigeria. He mentioned
that fact in the newspaper article because
he wanted Nigerians to know how LIBERAL
Sir Ahmadu Bello is in his interactions
with other Nigerians... in this case, the
Yoruba. I still have the newspaper in my
archive stating that the Sardauna of Sokoto
got the design from Yorubaland!

This history of Yoruba people being the
original source of the Eternal knot in Nigeria should well documented because some
people actually wrongly think it came from
the Hausa.

Islam came to Yorubaland from Mali
over 500 years ago.

Nice post!

davidnazee:
The only people with hatred for the truth is Yorubas. You guys can’t accept the truth that Great Benin conquered and ruled Yoruba.

And accept the truth that 70% of present yorubas are offspring of former slaves dumped in Lagos by the British at the end of slave trade.