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Culture › Re: Ekaladerhan: A Crown Prince Lost In The Niger Delta Jungle? by Olu317(m): 10:29pm On Feb 13, 2018

jara:
Ask people from Ighoton founded by Ekhalederan where he is celebrated every year as a festival. When Ogiso sent his men after him, they chickened out when they realized his exalted position as Oba of Ughoton.

Only fools would try or risk capturing a king of another town. They refused to go back to Igodomido where they could have been killed without returning with Ekhaleran.

Culture › Re: Who Is Superior Between Alaafin Of Oyo And The Ooni Of Ife??? by Olu317(m): 7:05pm On Feb 13, 2018

yemkarl:
This is the most stupidest comment. The fact is Oyo was built to become the new capital of yorubaland. Political and administrative sit of Yorubaland(Oyo Ile]. An empire was founded to continue to expand ýorubaland. Not all present yoruba kingdoms actually are Oduduwa's descendants. They became part of Yoruba empire after being conquered by Oyo empire, whereas Oyo imposed Oyo culture on all kingdom conquered ( Ajisebi Oyo lanri, Oyo ose bi baba enikan). That is why Yoruba language has different dialect because these people have been speaking different languages before being conquered. It's just like different ethnic group trying to speak english. The accent will be different cuz of their tongue. More than half of yoruba kingdoms are not descendant of Oduduwa, but Oduduwa's son created an empire that conquered and colonized all present yoruba kingdoms. And Alaafin owned this empire. Ile ife is a kingdom, Oyo ile is an empire. Ife was under Oyo empire protectorate just like every other kingdom under Oyo empire. Ile ife might be the origin but Oyo became a capital of a new nation which Ife became part of. Oyo ile is the reason why there is yoruba nation.

Two information of yours arent accurate as it regard ILE IFE and Dialects of people who were not Odudua descendants you claimed were conquered by his descendants and assimilated them. First of all, ILE IFE had always been seen as the power base of Odua descendants, hence it was not meant to be attacked as it was their ancestral and spiritual home. So, the place was always protected from invaders. In fact, one of the major reason for migration outside ILE IFE by Odua descendants was to be positioned in strategic location to conquer and be in a good position to defend their ancestral land. ILE IFE was not an empire and was untouchable land because of the manner it was seen and believed as a sacred land. During the period that OYO became an empire through political and military might, ILE IFE and other direct descendants linked to Odua were never attacked by OYO but form alliance to wade away invaders. Secondly,the places Yoruba language are spoken today are overtly linked to the communities that existed in ILE IFE. And this has nothing to do with people who were assimilated because Yoruba had a spontaneous population as a result of twin birth and male children. In fact, either Yoruba descendants or the conquered is still traceable if you go into different Yoruba communities and if investigation is carried out in each quarter within each Yoruba communities despite that we all have our connection through hybrid.

Culture › Re: Ooni: "Adam And Eve Were Created In Ile-Ife, They Were Blacks" by Olu317(m): 1:17pm On Feb 13, 2018

Fulaman198:
You can't be serious. Europe is in the same predicament as Africa. None of the religions they currently practise are their own. All modern day Monotheistic religions are from the Middle East.

Well posited opinion . The over Afrocentrism has made African countries backward when the expected scholars and politicians who supposedly to take charge of the polity but end up becoming critics without solution. This is because it seems some people thought today's Africans ancestors were the only one with mystical powers ? Little do they know every people irrespective of their race had similar religious issues as well as other life problems. .....

Culture › Re: Ooni: "Adam And Eve Were Created In Ile-Ife, They Were Blacks" by Olu317(m): 1:17pm On Feb 13, 2018

Fulaman198:
You can't be serious. Europe is in the same predicament as Africa. None of the religions they currently practise are their own. All modern day Monotheistic religions are from the Middle East.

Culture › Re: Yoruba Names By Region by Olu317(m): 12:50pm On Feb 13, 2018

Konquest:
^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@ Y0ruba
Thanks for your brilliant summations.

What is the English translation of
"Age re ge?"

Yoruba was derived from "Oyo Oba"...
Please shed more light on the etymology
of the name "Yoruba."

Thank you!

Agege is a coined word from ‘a gè igi', ( trees cutter) because that was used as reference to people who were settlers and engage in Timber business. In the olden days that area was heavily forested and deforestation begun when the Awori and the likes were into sales of wood. And this word slowly lost the original form it was meant.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 2:49pm On Feb 11, 2018

Y0ruba:
LMAO

You an awo but you want to take parts of ifa verses obfuscate it or concoct something and call it Ifa then interprete it to suit your agenda

Man characters dey o!

No, you do not have to tell me because id you were I would know. Awo da Awo mo, you sir are nothing more than an ogberi.

Goodbye.

Oh k Awo. But it is very disappointing seeing things sacred being made ten ten kobo by newbies as you are being an initiated . This is the reason the old ones refused to show many of your likes certain secrecy and how to manipulate the nature for one's goodwill. I know this because it is ‘shacking' you. OMG ! Somebody is ‘dying' over my Post?And you are an Awo? Have you no known knowledge of the efficacy of the power in Oro(word)? Anyway, not my problems. Either Iam an initiate or not ,it shouldnt bother you but concentrate on what you want share so that people can criticise it or you keep off. If you want to read about David Reich,then go subscribe or buy his book on Yoruba DNA as having Neanderthal admixture. If I am an Awo! ,oh no Ogbéri ,what has that got to do with information I have shared? It seems you are new to the internet because Araba even has site ,in which he write about Yoruba IFA corpus and as it relate to humanity (Yoruba as it seem). Anyway, to become an initiate isnt hard if that's your honey but can you learn and have the mastery of the terrestrial aspect of Yoruba world and the world cosmology? I pray you calm your nerves and stop this your egocentrism about being an Awo because Énu Awo ma n wo ! . This is the reason I affirm that You have eyes but you see not and have ears but hear not.

I hope you won't delete this account ........Pélé ti é.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 2:09pm On Feb 11, 2018*

Y0ruba:
I am dying.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mtbu.gif

You dying? A joke right because Awo dont die .I gnorance is a disease because it will not kill because it is curable but will make a lot of people backward. Have you no knowledge of research on discovery of Yoruba being acknowledged as having link with other people? geez!
Go read about human Admixture of ancient people. I am sure you know about genome...Kikiki

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 12:30pm On Feb 11, 2018

Y0ruba:
1. There is obviously a lot of problem somewhere but the first one is that you are obviously NOT AN IFA INITIATE AND SHOULD NOT SPEAK ON IFA, it is outright blasphemy and a very risky thing to do.

2. It is Osa Ogunda not Osa Oguda & Osa Ogunda does not and did not say what you quoted. It is a lie. To further prove you have lied, provide us with the oluwo of the ifa. Start from the beginning of that verse you supposedly lifted that from. I can’t laugh

3. Elabis not all of the jargons you have concoted to suit your agenda. Ela means nothing but clarity. When we Babalawo tap opon with the tip of iroke chanting ‘ela rowa, ela rowa’ before we dafa with opele or ikin, it is so that whatever odu that surfaces from the divination does not come out obfuscating and we get straight answers/responses to whatever we are divinating over.

This is why if you are given an opele or a seed of ikin to speak your question to, you will be directed to ask one question at a time. If you doubt this, go to a Babalawo & speak multiple unrelated requests into an opele or ikin before divination. The Babalawo will get confused and tell you ‘o pin si ona meji’.

Stop concocting nonsense to suit your Hebrew agenda. Don’t mess Ifa up for us and the coming generation.

Most importantly, you are not an Awo & should speak less on these thing you have no knoweldge about. You are standing outside but want to speak of what is happening within a circle you’re shut out from. Don’t insult our forefathers and several Arabas that have gone befor and the one sitting on apere at the moment, please.

Now,more like it . One of the defender of weakling has come who naturally attack typo error . This make me laugh because of typo error has nothing to do with the verse. If you cant decipher ,why would you engage me? What ancestor are you talking about being insulted ? What has being an Awo got to do with information? What is your definition of Awo ? Who taught you and initiated you about hidden things of mystery that you have eyes and you were told to look and you look but you see it not and you hear and understand it not . Do you see me as an ordinary man ? or you think my birth was like yours ? If I chose a part of the verse ,then complete it and explained it in a different way and counter the information and let people know their history or stop this falsification. You practically have no knowledge of what this is all about. All men were and are born equal but human spiritual being differs in Yoruba concept and I am adherent believer of ancestral tradition. Do I have to tell you i have been to Babalawo? Stop all these Awo stuff on here . If you are an Awo keep it yourself because YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 11:22am On Feb 11, 2018

MitrikDenholm:
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Not ready to engage you beyond this moment . I have opined my perspective.Either it is true or not , this platform has for and against even if such opinion is true or lie.

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 11:17am On Feb 11, 2018

Y0ruba:
I really tried not to dable in your engagement but since you keep throwing IFA as your source, it would be a betrayal on my part if someone calls on Ifa to bear witness to something that may he false & not raise alarm being an Awo.

You should please cite what Odu of Ifa talked about the biblical account of God & his first spoken word.

I doubt the authenticity of this but please, I am waiting. If you cite the Odu & even quote it, I will personally go & discard my Ifa and cut all ties with it.

Have you seen it ? Tell me that IFA verse isnt true.

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 11:15am On Feb 11, 2018

macof:
You have a mental problem. go fix yourself

I am here to bring you macof to your knees . You claim you are knowledgeable on Yoruba IFA , why does ODU OSA OGUDA says this in one of its verse;
In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.”? Does this not look like the biblical account?

..... .....
Ifa is the Oracle. Ela is that invisible energy that moves between the oracle and Orunmila, and between Ori and Olodumare – the umbilical cord. Ela is Oro after it hits the primordial abyss. Oro, as primordial matter, has an innate urge to communicate.
The oro that drops from the elderly is stupendous
It was divined for oro-oro-oro
Who did not have anyone to communicate with and started groaning
HOORO, HOO-ORO! (Ogbon, Imo, Oye, descend!)
Olodumare made HOO (Ogbon, Imo, Oye)
HOO descended to become Hoo-ro (I can’t help but notice the similarity between Hoo-ro and Horus)
Ela made Oro digestible and useful to human needs
Ela is the manifestation of the primal urge to communicate. It is the link between human and God; human and human; and human and the universe. This extensionistic conception, prevalent in all religions, is Oro, which manifested is Ela.

Categorically, ‘El'( Eli)is God of Hebrew. Infact the creative power of God of Hebrew was his word . Even Yoruba Almighty God 'El edumare ( Edumare stand as God even in Odu IFA OSA OGUDA) Is God and he created Oro known in ODU IFA OSA OGUDA as Ela.How were they similar?

I have given fact in the above statement even inside the Odu IFA ,which is part of your stronghold in Yorubaism.

Who need to get fixed and be more studious? It is you because Ela reside in me.

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 10:40am On Feb 11, 2018

sherlock229:
I am yoruba lol.

Looking at your picture isn't enough criteria to be classified as Yoruba. Although, some people may be good at guesses but not all guesses are always true. Virtually the mistake people outside Yoruba enclave always consider the typical tribal marks of Oyo and enclave as a criteria to identify all Yoruba. But this has no bearing on Yoruba facial look because Yoruba of different clan identify themselves via mark and some Yoruba marks can be mistaken for some southern Nigeria etc.. The point here is that you are Yoruba with whatever look if your ancestors were Yorubas.
And good to know this about your Yoruba identity.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 10:20am On Feb 11, 2018

Reading outside West Africa account will do some diehard Yoruba people who practically are obsessed to certain pseudo information a lot of good.
Let me recommend two books for a start .
Namely;
1. Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cushite Empire
2. Lower Egyptians communities and their relationship with Southern Levant in the 4th Millennium BC.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 8:57am On Feb 11, 2018*

sherlock229:
I want to know why you're so obsessed with middle eastern origin myth, but to be fair, I'm kinda believing you, I'm not yoruba though but can you prove your claims? with reliable source pls? I mean most yorubas looks the same as other West Africans.

can you tell me where I'm from, judging by my picture? just guess

Uhmmm, obsessed to what Middle East? You see, ignorance is the bane to backwardness because if one's mind is programmed without exploring,such individual becomes stagnant. Human history all started within somewhere around East Africa—Middle East/ Asia. Archeology has proven this correctly beyond reasonable doubt. How do you now use obsessed to Middle East? The Middle East is the most conquered territory in human history, so what's the point supporting such territory? After all, everyone want to be associated with super power. Who will naturally want to associate with Hebrew people who had been bruised,suppressed, oppressed, enslaved,scattered from their habitual environment by different groups? No ,I wouldn't do such but here the world of ancient heard of the God of these people and Inquisition begun about these claimant of Supreme God being their father. Ethiopia is acknowledged by Scholars to have existed thousands of years before West Africa, Libya had existed before West Africa, Egypt(Kemet) had existed before West Africa( all these mentioned territories are supported by archeology). Why then do we fold hands and let ego control our mindset. Now, human physical features has nothing to do with tribes because, hybrids is a major factor because all human beings are relatedl. Take for instance, Bob Marley's father was a white man while his mother was a coloured woman .And today nearly young pman except through historical and pictorial evidence can support this claim if Bob Marley's descendants talked about this information if they decided to claim White man's descendants, wouldnt they be correct? .Mind you, I only use this as an example because of hybrids of people. The West African people that you and I know were migrants in one way or the other because Human fossil in West Africa has no proof to show being older in any comparison with Ethiopia or Morocco. Perhaps in the nearest future ? I am not the one with that did all the archeological finding via excavations, was I? Why do some people feel bittered about information that looks alike and counter their claim?After all there was a history of man that came from middle East as emissary to Lower Egypt , who met Hebrew/Jewish settlers ,who was a descendants of King David himself ,Known as Onias . He built a new temple and rivalled with the older settlement and their leaders. He took over the control of the city and the city was known as the LAND OF ONIAS( Look similar to ILE IFE's account in which OONI means Owner of the land).There are evidence in Egypt and the account of this history exist even if the whereabouts of these Hebrews are unknown till this day. The more research we embark on the more evidence we will find. Yorubas history is beyond Samuel Ajayi Crowther, Samuel Johnson, Olumide Lucas, Bolaji Idowu and Captain Clapperton's Account of Yoruba history . These are the problems with many people that try to supress the truth yet IFA they hide inside as the fundamental basis for Yoruba tradition had record like the Biblical Account of God and his First spoken word .

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 9:55pm On Feb 09, 2018

macof:
What is all this? ram sacrifice, sango, oranmiyan went back to take the throne, obatala wearing white.. What do these have to do with Oduduwa coming from Mecca
you are just saying things that do not concern the topic. And WTF is Adimunia?...it is Adimula

You are not normal o, something is really wrong in your head

You see, it is hard for you to comprehend because you do not have Omoluabi bloodline in you,which is the reason you use vulgar word so cheaply. In ILE IFE , Adimula is pronounced as in the form of Adimunia . In fact so many words were interchange in yoruba Braille,because Oyo descendants and apologists were the first set of educated Yorubas. Do you have no knowledge that Èri was changed to Ori,Eledumare was changed to Olodumare,Edumare was changed to Odumare,Umolé( Umalé being used by itsekiri) was changed to Imolé, Alujonu was changed to Anjonu? What's your point? I had mentioned ‘logical'explanation with my analysis as regard names of Odua descendants as it regard their sojourn in different places. So ,you can see,you are the one that need learn. And specifically when I mentioned Oranmiyan ,Sango,are only meant to testify to the manner , these descendants excelled,to justify their ancestor's territory conquest and name. If you don't understand what Ram sacrifice to Odua,then practically you have no knowledge of Odua apart from the books you read. Let me be plain, the Oranmiyan form of sacrifical worship is to who if not to ancestors ? Who told you I accepted the theory of Mecca nor did I accept ILE IFE Nigeria? Even archeology has just subdued Yoruba's claim even by Israel being more than 190,000 years older than human fossil discovery. Honestly, Eledumare is too awesome. Macof ,go and do more research and stop being hateful. In as much that Odua came from somewhere as a migrant,then he could have come from the set of people that uses Ram as sacrifice . Be mindful, that your Egypt didnt kill Ram but worship Ram .However, I can inform you that no one within ancient Africa , sacrifice Ram likened to Odua and Yoruba except Hebrew . Or did you know any yoruba history that mentioned, Ram sacrifice to Obatala ? Amother interesting is the similarity in names of certain things. Take for instance, Yoruba IFA( Oracle) is similar to Hebrew Ephod ( Oracle). If IFE can be on Togo,then ILE IFE could have been anywhere because there is NINEVEH in Middle East . What about ONIAS in Egypt? or The Yeb( dont even go far to Israel to look for Jebusites) in Egypt's which similar to Jebus of Yorubas. I have studied and did comparison. You will remain like some Yorubas that knows Odu IFA ,especially the one that talked about Eledumare and his Creation power (exactly like the hebrew's God account of Creation) that had existed uncountable years which ILE IFE Nigeria can't defend.

Oga go and study like a scholar which must be outside your Yoruba own's account.

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Culture › Re: What Percentage of Benin City Is Ethnically of the Benin tribe? by Olu317(m): 6:50am On Feb 09, 2018

CockScrew:
I need this for a dissertation I am writing, pls.

I need all opinions from every angle. Thanks.

Edo state is not an homogeneous group of people because there is Bini speaking people which is between 55%—58% ,while others are, Esan , Afemai compirising of Etsako , Owan and Akoko Edo . However, the Igbira speaking communities exist in Akoko Edo as well as Ijaw Izons, Urhobos, Itsekiris communities in Ovia North East and South West Local Government Areas especially in the borderlands. Also, Ika speaking communities exist in Igbanke in Orhionmwon LGA. The only thing that happened was that some of these towns/villages had Eweka descendants princes as chiefs.

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Culture › Re: Itsekiri People (A Brief History) PART 2 by Olu317(m): 6:13am On Feb 09, 2018

onuwaje:
Watch put for part 3

My eyes are absolutely waiting to view the next part . Don't be distracted in any way by psychopathic liars.

Cheers

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 1:21pm On Feb 08, 2018

macof:
And where in Ife did you get that oduduwa is from Mecca or anywhere outside Africa?

Well,there is no known history that did mentioned Adimula/Adimunia as an aborigine of the ILE IFE that Odua and his group surfaced. I mentioned his group because , there is no way Odua would have been able to subdued everyone under his feet if he had no supporters outside the ones that will naturally be his supporters within the location he resided. Yeah,the Oral history mentioned a coming King , but from where? And if logical is applied , then it is obvious, they must have camped at a place within Oke Ora before emergence and reestablishment of his monarchial system, which he knew about . I infer on this because the period between Obatala and Adimunia(Odua/ Olofin) was the greatest in terms of rivalry either spiritually or physical prowess. The ritual that is attached to the house of Odua involves Ram's sacrifice etc . Do you know that Obatala worshippers are not the only one that uses white ? Do think the uses of white by Oonis is by fashion or Ogboni association ? Am sure, you know these things. If Odua worshipped God with white Ram( what is associated to ancestors) and used white Cockerel, doves, pigeon etc, do you not see reason to compare with other people with such tradition? Well, you wont really understand, except you feel his descendants feel ,that challenges whoever insult their ancestor. I am sure you heard why Shango went to fight and search for the people that insulted his ancestor. I am sure you know Oranmiyan came back to take back the throne. This is always the driving force for inquisitiveness and research. Many books were written but a lot only did surface research and generalisation. This is because the secrecy in ILE IFE allowed many information to be swept away because both men ancestors are not even identifiable. Perhaps, you can share your knowledge on it if you know...

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 1:21pm On Feb 08, 2018

macof:
And where in Ife did you get that oduduwa is from Mecca or anywhere outside Africa?

Well,there is no known history that didn't mentioned Adimula/Adimunia as an aborigine of the ILE IFE that Odua and his group surfaced. I mentioned his group because , there is no way Odua would have been able to subdued everyone under his feet if he had no supporters outside the ones that will naturally be his supporters within the location he resided. Yeah,the Oral history mentioned a coming King , but from where? And if logical is applied , then it is obvious, they must have camped at a place within Oke Ora before emergence and reestablishment of his monarchial system, which he knew about . I infer on this because the period between Obatala and Adimunia(Odua/ Olofin) was the greatest in terms of rivalry either spiritually or physical prowess. The ritual that is attached to the house of Odua involves Ram's sacrifice etc . Do you know that Obatala worshippers are not the only one that uses white ? Do think the uses of white by Oonis is by fashion or Ogboni association ? Am sure, you know these things. If Odua worshipped God with white Ram( what is associated to ancestors) and used white Cockerel, doves, pigeon etc, do you not see reason to compare with other people with such tradition? Well, you wont really understand, except you feel his descendants feel ,that challenges whoever insult their ancestor. I am sure you heard why Shango went to fight and search for the people that insulted his ancestor. I am sure you know Oranmiyan came back to take back the throne. This is always the driving force for inquisitiveness and research. Many books were written but a lot only did surface research and generalisation. This is because the secrecy in ILE IFE allowed many information to be swept away because both men ancestors are not even identifiable. Perhaps, you can share your knowledge on it if you know.

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 1:57pm On Feb 06, 2018

DevdanSanguine:
Lmao. I've literally had to go about begging for a response from you. Now you want an excuse to escape the argument?

Anyways. Morocco is still in Africa so that doesn't change any of my argument apparently a new discovery published late 2017 so just a few months ago. But can you please go back and address these other points?

And I thought you claimed this man to be an Arab pagan who ran away, why are we even talking about the origin of homo sapiens?

But if you want to run I guess I understand. I guess sometimes people just want to be left to their own delusions.

Run from who or what? My pyganeric is all about seeing challenges and facing it. We do subdue challenges and dont fear no man. You better be weary of me . No wonder it seems you have been brainwashed by Samuel Ajayi Crowther's book. A great man, he was, but there were too many conspicous mistakes in this book. Better read other books or at best go on investigative mission to ILE IFE and all the location the descendants of the Odua lives(laughing hysterically) . A real big work(research) for you......

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 10:06am On Feb 06, 2018

DevdanSanguine:
No reply? What's Hamitic? The other points? A reliable source? Nothing? LOL

Seems you've given up on trying to directly find research connections that confirm your theory, you should. There isn't one.

Now you've resorted to a more general approach claiming fossil evidence and theories of overall human origins.

But do you know the fossils you speak of belong to some races that are actually extinct? This is the problem about when you keep trying to talk about things that you don't understand.

Homo sapiens (the current human race) are believed to have first set out of East Africa. The oldest traces of homo sapiens is only 200 000 years old in Africa. A lot of things may have happened within this period but if you're trying to trace time all through this period then you're a lost cause.

Migration patterns may have differed with some staying in Africa and others obviously moving to other regions but there is no evidence to suggest yorubas were anywhere other than Africa.

Again the question is if homo sapiens came out from Africa, why are you trying so hard to prove you didn't set out from Africa when not only are you exclusively African by all definitions but by a broader sense of overall human ancestry? Are you saying you left Africa, moved to the middle east and the came back (even if for the sake of this funny debate we agree this is true), how does it mean you're not of african origin?

Look at your assertion on homo sapien existence as being 200,000 years ? When in fact new discovery has shown 300,000 years(Morocco), 260,000 years(China), 200,000 years(in Israel) What a pity! This show the depth of your knowledge still living in 2015(approximately three Years ago). If you want to criticise,learn to be well prepared. I wont go further than this .

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 7:06am On Feb 06, 2018

macof:
Mr. man provide evidence for your claims and stop lecturing somebody who doesn't need lectures. did i tell you i need to be a nairaland conqueror

This is just plain silly. let me tell you simply - any story about the Yorubas claiming to be Historical that is not recorded in the traditions of any part of Yorubaland is not history at all but pseudo-history.
Our traditions are not perfectly detailed but fine enough to keep the knowledge of our history spanning over 800 years intact, without written historical documents this is an incredible feat.

So Yoruba traditions do not need an overbearing outside "evidence" when we say Oduduwa came from Oke-ora. What you might demand is evidence that such a claim is traditional, anything outside that is a wild goose chase. There are things that would need such evidence not this, you can then choose to take it or leave, afterall some people do not believe oduduwa existed at all, but what you have no right to do is to make a claim that has no basis in our tradition and try to sell it as History

And this Support is all over Ife, unlike Bini, who would just say Oduduwa came from Bini without that being visibly part of Bini traditions, Ile-ife and other Yoruba towns have traditional practices that support their claim - Oke-ora and Ido feature too prominently in the coronation of the Ooni, Oke-ora is where the Ooni has his ancestral shrine, it is here he collects the Ade oduduwa(different from Aare), the foot of Oke-ora is where Ido begins, it is at Ido Oduduwa planned all his attacks against Obatala etc. All these age long traditional practices coupled with oral history can stand firm enough

The tradition of Ife being the oldest city on the planet is quite understandable considering it is the oldest city in the ancient world of the Yoruba ancestors, they with limited knowledge of the world's geography would of course have believed Ife to be the oldest city in the world, more proof that we Yorubas did not come from Mesopotamia or Middle east, if we did we would have had better knowledge of the "outside world"

It does not matter how old Ife is, I am not talking about the myth of creation or Ife's beginning here but King Oduduwa's possible origin. King Oduduwa did not exist before Ife, Ife was already a booming center, that is what attracted oduduwa to go as far as he went to be King

Note: I say 'King oduduwa' to separate him from the creation myth

I referred you to journal written on Genetic and Yoruba domicile in West Africa, you didn't bother to check it so what is the point? I referred you to journal that mentioned Yoruba as having DNA connection to Neanderthal ,which was researched by David Reich, you threw it away . Dierk Lange did Research on Yoruba history via interaction with Oyo's court account from which kings like Oluaso, Pekah existed etc and pronounced Yoruba as Hebrew —Semetic group, instead of you to do research, you doubted it. What about A.C burns's account and interview? And the Odu IFA, that you and I know as the most potent historic source of yorubas mentioned account outside Yoruba land of Nigeria Or can you specifically identify the location known as Orun that Orunméla journeyed from to Aiyè? Since you are vast in yoruba knowledge, where exactly was Ikolè Orun that was mentioned in Odu IFA ? Can you tell us the reason , many Semitic words are shared with Yorubas outside Islam? Or are they coincedental ? So also did /do Yoruba Herb practitioners ,whom are associated with Osanyin , ,specifically mentioned the reigns of Alara, Ajéro,Olugbon (Priests—Leaders) . Did these people reign in Nigeria? Otun Ekiti specifically mentioned that his ancestors were ally to Adimula and that Otun group emerged from the sea? Can you counter such? Have you been to Idanre hill to view the Ark that is there? Is there any account in Yorubaland in Nigeria that proof king Odua(Adimula/Adimunia) as having ancestors from within ? No no no ,unless you have more evidence to share with us all. Lastly, I don't expect you to be a NL conqueror but a figurative expression for you to think outside the box.

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People who are afraid of making effort in researching will always end up as a backward people. I am sure you know Yoruba ancestors were risk takers,which made them outstanding.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 7:21am On Feb 05, 2018

Prehuman history

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 7:05am On Feb 05, 2018*

macof:
Ife traditions have it as Oke-ora being his origin

@macof ,you must learn to be humble. Humility showcase the strength of a real conqueror. And if you want to be one,learn the strength and weakness of your enemy (ies) . I inferred not as your enemy but as someone who think outside the box. The ILE IFE tradition and oral account in Nigeria does not have a strong evidence for your assertion. ILE IFE glory didn't start before AD, but around 1000AD—1100 AD with heavy evidence

Controversy

1.The ILE IFE in Nigeria is not known to be older than the account adduced to more than 45,000 years
2. The Yoruba calender is 10,062 year(2017)
3. The oldest human fossil in Yoruba land ( Iwo Eleru) is 9000+ years ( No account in the study of the skull in Germany ever claimed the skull was Yoruba ancestor)
4. Oke Ora is not older than 300BC(with only evidence of animal husbandry)
5. Odu IFA mentioned Orun —Aiyè migration ( Journey from Orun by Orunméla)

Counter
1. The oldest bone was found in Morocco(approximately 300,000 years)
2. The older discovery of another fossil in China( 260,000-year-old Chinese skull )
3. The Old bone was found in Ethiopia(approximately 200,000 years old)
4 . The least among the human fossil is the bone was found in one cave in Israel(197,000—200,000)

With such investigation, how can you claim ILE IFE of Nigeria is the oldest on planet earth?
Maybe ILE IFE is the NiNEVEH of the old mesopotemia?

Learn from others and add to your knowldge.No man knows it all. The reason Almighty God remain Almighty

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 2:34am On Feb 05, 2018*

Sorry folks ,some of you who have this thought as regard Africa are simply ignorant. In fact , I am disappointed because even the word Africa was coined by Caucasian/ Roman . No wonder you guys are not 1% of Yorubas who share this your baseless beliefs as not regarding or doing anything called research on the East migration when the whole world keep using scientific method to solve and unravel this human diversity and probable migration . If I dont study outside the box,wont I remain in your like manner? I think it is Eledumare who has given me the inner eyes which you dont have because of your haughty mindset .How can you even be so proud of a name that a subjugating/suppressive group called you and named you Africans ? Look at these set of bias people who are unwilling to learn. No wonder , you lot keep informing wrongly that ILE IFE in Nigeria was the birthplace of all Races even the Caucasians . And research has knocked this off . Just as no known connection ever pointed to Nigeria as the birthplace of humans Race but East Africa in Ethiopia as the place where the oldest human fossil was first found at first but research as dynamic as it is has knocked this off in 2017 when The oldest fossil remains of Homo sapiens, dating back to 300,000 years, was found at a site in Jebel Irhoud, Morocco. This is 100,000 years older than previously discovered fossils of Homo sapiens that have been securely dated. The discovery was presented in a study in the journal Nature . In January 2018, a prehistoric jawbone discovered in a cave in Israel has prompted scientists to rethink theories of how the earliest human pioneers came to populate the planet, suggesting that Israelis ancestors left Africa far earlier than previously thought. The fossil, dated to nearly 200,000 years ago, is almost twice as old as any previous Homo sapiens remains discovered outside Africa, where our species is thought to have originated. Ignorance is a disease that has beclouded proper thinking and information seeking. I am not the one that told ancient Yoruba to claim migration from East . And if you don't like that part of Yoruba history, then denounce being Yoruba descendants. The world is thinking about modern human evolution, you are fighting and claiming local champion over relationship with minority groups. Continue to swim in ignorance.

I am sure the haters of truth are just seeing this human fossil via me . A very few disgraceful set of people in Yoruba who chose not to showcase evidence and learn but turn to insult when good or genuine information surfaced and override their archaic unrealistic information. This is what happens when LIARS are in sensitive places and positions.

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 1:15am On Feb 05, 2018

DevdanSanguine:
Do you even know what Hamitic means?

And your source, well...

it is obvious you want to prove me wrong with your quickie approach, despite the fact that I mentioned non Africans that mentioned Yorubas as probable migrants because of their research and collected facts about tradition, Customs, idioms and sacrifices of the Yorubas ,laying emphasis on Hebrew idioms and customs which suggests Yorubas immigrants from somewhere from Euphrates to River Tigris . Even even if you are non Yoruba and you want to learn then choose to be a student as i am routine a learner in all spheres . Did you get books or journal written by them ? On the current question of yours, since you didn't get it , I guess you can try eurogenes blogspots and see how Yorubas are been dissected . It seems people think Caucasians liked Yoruba that much that many western world want to identify with Yorubas but the evidence beforehand are mind blowing. Anyway, to make it easy for you and your likes, let me quote from one analysts called Steve, a follower of sciences Admixture of human genes as Follow; “From the article: "FST values indicate that the IAM samples are as differentiated from all other populations as Yoruba are from non-Africans (Supplementary Note 9), with the sole exception of KEB and, to a lesser extent, modern North African populations." This is confusing to me. How can they be as differentiated from other populations as Yoruba, but cluster with groups from the Near East."

Enjoy yourself

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 7:27pm On Feb 04, 2018*

macof:
Science has already confirmed an African origin for Yorubas, therefore cancelling out any Arabia connection. Yorubas have over 90% of the E-V38 DNA, more than most African ethnicities, which is an important gene maker for "Africanness"

Now, look at your rigidity in not studying? Either you like it or not ,the Fact remain largest percentage of Yorubas are non Hamitic. The place you got your info from is archaic. Go learn about Focusing on ancient population genomics research; Ancient genomes from Neolithic North Africa (Fregel et al. 2017 preprinNeolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant and Europe , bioRxiv , Posted September 21, 2017, doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/191569. The better for you to follow the path of truth and let go off ego, the better for you. It doesn't matter if you don't care about who I am in modern day Yoruba land but in the olden days ,you would have paid dearly for any unwarranted insult on my personality and others you have no known knowledge of their ancestry. It is obvious, you are not a good Yoruba man because ancient Yoruba men chose wisdom as their path and are always slow to anger and firm to taking action when necessary. But instead you use vulgar words on people you had not seen.
See what science has done to identify humanity. I don't even think you know how proud I am being a descendant of Yoruba? I leave you to your fate.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 2:17pm On Feb 04, 2018

isalegan2:
I enjoy Olu317"s posts o! The more Yoruba traditionalists the better. I have to admit, I also wonder about the Sudanese and Arabia connection to Yoruba. Maybe science can refute or confirm them in the near future.

Well, confirmation does not lie in Nigeria alone but in places like Egypt and other part in middle East . However, it is important here to emphasise that a very dominant name name such as Aki( Akin—when pronounced in a nassal way) is very rampant in Yoruba land which is used for Hero . And this name Aki/ Achi is also of Chaldean Origin which occur in chaldean Legend as a name of a hero who rescued Shargani Shar Ali ,i.e Sargon the elder from being drowned . Funny enough Hebrew king bore that Name too Joachin( Joakin/Joakim). Are the names coincidental ? "Si" means “ life "in Sumerian Ancient language and means the same in Yoruba Olu “si", Ko ma “si"( he/she is dead). Hannon is merciful in Hebrew so also Anu is mercy in Yoruba. Are this coincidental? May be I dont know my history so much and someone like macof ,who claimed to be a descendant of Odua cant defend the exact place of Odua origin before some aborigine in Edo that claimed Odua despite the fact their claim are false. He clamied expertise on Odua history but when others attack Yoruba tradition ,he weakly tuned to insulting them . The same macof once claimed his ancestor was one of the ancient Pharaoh but Yoruba tradition uses ram as sacrifice. In fact it is a Yoruba tradition to kill ram for feast and sacrifices but Egyptian worship ram . Who is the inconsistent here ? Does a true son of yoruba need behave in such manner? I know about Oranmiyan ancestral worship and Té'Fa. Furthermore, someone like Modupe, Oduoye ,who is an ethnologist,philologist,Multilinguist,Author whose book is well enrich in Yoruba language and relationship with middle east and Egypt language can't be bias. What I seemingly conclude about some lovers of Yoruba culture is that they were non conformists and this is their problem. If as far as 1914, an enquiry was made about people of West Africa, including Yoruba. I quote,“Sir Harry Johnston write as follows: The more one inquires into intricate religion of West Africa, especially in the whole region of Niger the more we come irresistibly to the conclusion that they are founded on ideas which have traveled all the way from Egypt or from southern mediterean shore". From S.G.C JOURNAL 27TH APRIL 1914.Journal of the Institute of African language and culture . Vol II No 4 page 411. History of Nigeria by A.C BURNS page 32 ,Mr millison Account declared that Yoruba had been a fully clothed mortal . Do Yoruba begun Cloth making in South west Nigeria? Of course not because Odu IFa corpuse mentioned yoruba wearing clothes and excavation at ILE IFE hasnt proven Yoruba to had made clothing since 305BC . Another Journal written by Dr. Westerman described Yoruba as well organised people and having a highly developed religion and mythology and have knowledge about their history . Some of them have over read the books written by some people that they cant understand that there is only one indivisble God who is the same God of hebrew and Arab who had no known form or shape or seen is the same God of the Yorubas but specifically referred to in the bible and Ifa corpus as ancient one . I cant truly understand these set of people that have wisdom and understand it not. The ancient Yoruba adage say, "A ki ra omo ni oja ; Olorun ni fun ni " ( Children cant be bought at places ; but are gift from God ( Olorun). is this not the believe of Hebrews? Are this also coincindental? grin

isalegan2:
I enjoy Olu317"s posts o! The more Yoruba traditionalists the better. I have to admit, I also wonder about the Sudanese and Arabia connection to Yoruba. Maybe science can refute or confirm them in the near future.

Well, confirmation does not lie in Nigeria alone but in places like Egypt and other part in middle East . However, it is important here to emphasise that a very dominant name name such as Aki( Akin—when pronounced in a nassal way) is very rampant in Yoruba land which is used for Hero . And this name Aki/ Achi is also of Chaldean Origin which occur in chaldean Legend as a name of a hero who rescued Shargani Shar Ali ,i.e Sargon the elder from being drowned . Funny enough Hebrew king bore that Name too Joachin( Joakin/Joakim). Are the names coincidental ? "Si" means “ life "in Sumerian Ancient language and means the same in Yoruba Olu “si", Ko ma “si"( he/she is dead). Hannon is merciful in Hebrew so also Anu is mercy in Yoruba. Are this coincidental? May be I dont know my history so much and someone like macof ,who claimed to be a descendant of Odua cant defend the exact place of Odua origin before some aborigine in Edo that claimed Odua despite the fact their claim are false. He clamied expertise on Odua history but when others attack Yoruba tradition ,he weakly turned to insulting them . The same macof once claimed his ancestor was one of the ancient Pharaoh but Yoruba tradition uses ram as sacrifice . In fact , it is a yoruba tradition to kill ram for feast and sacrifice but Egytpian worship ram .Who is the inconsistent here ? Does a true son of yoruba need behave in such manner? I know about Oranmiyan ancestral worship and Té'Fa etc . Furthermore, someone like Modupe, Oduoye ,who is an ethnologist,philologist,Multilinguist,Author whose book is well enrich in Yoruba language and relationship with middle east and Egypt language can't be bias. What I seemingly conclude about some lovers of Yoruba culture is that they were non conformists and this is their problem. If as far as 1914, an enquiry was made about people of West Africa, including Yoruba. I quote,“Sir Harry Johnston write as follows: The more one inquires into intricate religion of West Africa, especially in the whole region of Niger the more we come irresistibly to the conclusion that they are founded on ideas which have traveled all the way from Egypt or from southern mediterean shore". From S.G.C JOURNAL 27TH APRIL 1914.Journal of the Institute of African language and culture . Vol II No 4 page 411. History of Nigeria by A.C BURNS page 32 ,Mr millison Account declared that Yoruba had been a fully clothed mortal . Do Yoruba begun Cloth making in South west Nigeria? Of course not because Odu IFa corpuse mentioned yoruba wearing clothes and excavation at ILE IFE hasnt proven Yoruba to had made clothing since 305BC . Another Journal written by Dr. Westerman described Yoruba as well organised people and having a highly developed religion and mythology and have knowledge about their history . Some of them have over read the books written by some people that they cant understand that there is only one indivisble God who is the same God of hebrew and Arab who had no known form or shape or seen is the same God of the Yorubas but specifically referred to in the bible and Ifa corpus as ancient one . I cant truly understand these set of people that have wisdom and understand it not. The ancient Yoruba adage say, "A ki ra omo ni oja ; Olorun ni fun ni " ( Children cant be bought at places ; but are gift from God ( Olorun). is this not the believe of Hebrews? Are this also coincindental?

Lastly, I mentioned macof because he could hardly differentiate between Prefix and body(root) of word in this one because of his biasness . Èl ( used to connote all lord in one big incomparable) + Èdumare becomes Èlèdumare (LordAlmighty God /Lord God Almighty ). Perhaps his bitterness toward other people's opinion has made him not to understand this simple terminology.

È mi gan gan ni
Omo arogun màsà
Omo ari oté mà bée ru
Omo Afi idi pa oté molée

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 6:09pm On Feb 03, 2018

If yoruba information is what is needed ,then do justice to what i posted. Definitely your mindset will change and Yoruba aren't Ibos. Yoruba culture and name identified with God and deities are perpetually different from Ibos .Specifically, Africa is a Continent from which all races came out ,so i don't get this unnecessary emotion. In fact there are tribes in Africa that aren't Hamitic in nature. You are talking about a continent with different languages ranging from 1000—2000+.

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Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 5:49pm On Feb 03, 2018

DevdanSanguine:
Lmao! You claimed production was much better and I told you the Akan's had better production and aesthetic quality. Acknowledgement is a different thing, yorubas are in every corner of the earth. Plus their history with slavery ensures non Africans have an obsession with their history as they are tied to each other. Plus the view that Yoruba is one of the most famous truly African cultures. Akans and others unfortunately are not as many or as dispersed or learned as yorubas so don't let that fool you.

Lol! Hausas don't have any other word for father besides those three. And you do know hausa children named after their fathers or grandfather's are called abba, Baba or babaji out of respect yes? A very famous Hausa insult is ubanka (which means your father) or uwarka (your mother). So not only is abba used to refer to fathers it is also a very common first name.

A simple Google search will reveal a hausa actor named "Abba El mustapha" or this hausa movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NizLmGM8Fgo

Abba na, which means my father.

This is the first time I'm hearing of yorubas abba and uba. I knew they used Baba but uba and abba? This is the first I'm hearing of it.

Spanish and kanuri are not afro Asiatic languages. You need to stop making ignorant statements. And what do you mean contextual languages?

I will send you an email in less than two minutes. I hope your reply would consist or articles or books that will reinstate your sanity.

But I would have preferred you posted the citations here so everyone involved or interested in this discussion can see and learn from them. Nevertheless I guess I'd be happy to publish whatever I read or any recommendation I get from your emails.

After this i won't quote you again because you don't know and when you are informed, you disagree .Now, you have been informed about the real word Yoruba called father in all Yoruba dialects . Then, I thought you mentioned Hausa, Spanish? And I mentioned Afroasia- Semitic. If you are in need to find out about certain info about Yorubas ,Get the two books above.Lastly, check this also “ Ancient Egyptian and Modern Yoruba - Ankhonline".

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 5:32pm On Feb 03, 2018

1. Words & meaning in Yoruba religion : linguistic connections in Yoruba, Ancient Egyptian & Semitic. Responsibility: Modupe Oduyoye.
2. The study of Yoruba religious tradition in historical perspective by Jacob K.Olupona

Culture › Re: Oduduwa Isn't The Father Of The 'Yorubas' by Olu317(m): 4:34pm On Feb 03, 2018

DevdanSanguine:
I'm not the biased one here, i have nothing to gain or lose if you can prove what your saying, if anything i am hoping you're right so my opinion of you would be wrong but no one will look at those sculptures and see any similarities like you claim.

I completely disagree, sculptures made from gold and other metals by the akans are far better than the best yoruba sculptures, its not even close.

Can you please cite the article or publication where this leo fella made this claim?

Uhmm LOL then you're very ignorant of your own country. I know hausas call fathers baba, or uba and even abba, its as if you actual stole those words because those words as far as i know are used by hausas. Apart from them i know other northern minorities that use the same.

WOW! Olodumare has now turned to el edumare? LOL Why are you so desperate? Besides, why does it being that prove anything, you do know if you try to find similarities between all languages in the world you will find a few no matter how unrelated yes? Mind you kanuri hausa spanish all have words with el and even al(more suited to semitic languages). And thats just off the top of my head.

I have been humble, i have been begging to at least give me one reputable citation and yet you cant? what more can i do? Please pull me out of my ignorance, i need just one citation!

And stop using the word tribe, yoruba is an ethnicity, just like igbo, fulani, irish, hausa, arab etc are all ethnicities.

I don't know where you got your information from by affirming that Akan's gold art / sculpture is more acknowledged than Yorubas. Indeed you are quite funny with such assertion. Then, on the El which is a prefix to edumare because it is interchangeably use for God while Almighty God is Eledumare. Again, you are the first to claim Abba / Uba / Ba means Father in Hausa's land. This is because the first word for father in all Yoruba dialects even among Oyo Yoruba . If I must agree ,it is Baba that was borrowed by Northern Yoruba, precisely Oyo Yoruba ,who used it and it became accepted . Hausa dont use it nor any group in Africa. Ba/ Uba/ Abba is a daily routine word for father in Yoruba land. Infact , Kaare Ba mi ( welldone my father )is used regularly in Yoruba land. The Hausa,Spanish,etc that you mentioned had elements of Semitic—AfroAsiatic link. But the specific words I have mentioned are not in the contextual languages of your mentioned tribes—Ethnicity.

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