₦airaland Forum

enilove:
The Yoruba name for God is not Eledumare but Olorun ( God ) or Oluwa ( Lord ).

Eledumare is a demonic name used by the unbelievers or idol worshipers .
It is the same mistake the Muslims are committing by thinking that Allah means God not knowing that is has been the name the idol worshipers of Saudi Arabia had been calling when worshipping their idols. That is why you have Allat as an idol of moon. Allat is not different from Allah but for the last letter 'h" denoting the masculine entity.

CROWNWEALTH019:
Never will be the same


I worship a living God and not a moon

sashash:
pls where can I get more articles to read on Ooni history...I am always fascinated by Yoruba history...I am a proud Egba man

Y0ruba:
During the Yoruba internecine wars, Ajamaiye like Fabunmi Oke Mesi fought on Ife’s side of the war as a mercenary. Care to confirm this, please?

See the quote below.



Source: http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

Ajamaiye was a 19th century personage. True?

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Source: http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday

2. I’m responding to the post because that second emboldened was directed at me. I do not know what your sources are or what your agenda is for pushing the powerful Ooni-elect narrative but I will share a little bit with you.

- In Ife, before Baba Adesoji Aderemi’s time when Chieftaincy law & ratification was done. Ooniship was open to all Ife sons and daughters. In the Ooni list, numerous compounds unrelated to Oranmiyan’s produced Ooni and in order to prevent chaos, most houses of Oranmiyan’s origin were collapsed into four - of course one of them was on the throne and that made it doable.

- The requisite for being an Ooni in Ife is hinged on Odu of Eji Ogbe which signifies not only leadership but ‘ajé’. In essence, money/wealth is the requisite for being an Ooni and this has always determined who ascends the throne since the days of Obalufon Alayemore but became official starting from the days of Lajamisan, the wealthiest Ife bead trader at the time. For further proof, the Oonis from the recent times of Gbegbaaje, Abewela Gberengede down to Sijuade Olubuse II have been selected on this premise but the Odu of their itefa played a role as nobody becomes an Ooni without the Odu Eji Ogbe being their Odu & it is what re-surfaces every year during the divination of Odun Ifa for the Ooni. This is why Eji Ogbe is regarded all over as ‘Ifa Ooni’.

In essence, there’s no powerful Ooni as such before ascending the throne. All that is required is the Odu Ifa, personal wealth and sponsorship from any powerful Ife chief(s) of the time. All ‘powers’ come after going through the rituals at the many ancestral compounds of the 200 deities in Ife after which an Ooni becomes the 201.

All the folks you listed had no special powers before becoming an Ooni.

Olajemisin aka Lajamisan was a wealthy bead trader, he started the trend of hijacking power with money & everyone followed suit. Baba Adesoji Aderemi was a contemporary reflection of this, he was the wealthiest Ife at the time and was in fact regarded as ‘atobatele’, a name & status that made him clash with Ooni Ademiluyi Ajagun at different times. Ooni Okunade Sijuade Olubuse II played the same game by hijacking Giesi’s turn as he was the richest of the lot after Atobatele.

Lajuiyodoun & Lafogido were rich people of their time too. Likewise Wunmojie Soogun - you should see the wealth of artefacts excavated from Lafogido’s grave as well as Wunmonije’s house. They had no special power other than large farms, lots of animals and a lot of bead which then was like gold. These folks’ had houses conterminous to each other.

Ooni Ogboru was a very rich man. The houses that sprang from him are known to be power houses in Ife for their ancestral wealth - Ile Olubuse, Ile Olodo, Ile Adejokun & Ile Ooni Ilare. Go to Ilare quarters of Ife today and see how their presence there is huge and they have been that way since forever.

Derin Ologbenla was a warrior like Maye, Labosinde, Ayikiti & so on. He was selected to be an Ooni after his nephew because of the political intrigues across Yoruba land at the time which required that Ife had a warrior king to lead them in battle against Modakeke/Ibadan. His brother Ooni Degbin Kumbusu was wealthy but a bad king, Ife murdered him & wanted to ban their house from ever ascending the throne again, a development to which Ayikiti Ojaja quickly stemmed with the help of Ibadan but he was also killed within a year of becoming Ooni. Their line was going to be banned like that of other barred lines but we needed a fire brand king which Derin was at the time from his military successes on the eastern part of Yorubaland but well, he died before becoming an Ooni.

Baba, have a great day & a blissful weekend ahead.

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Konquest:
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@Olu317
Oh beautiful...Thanks for the feedback on your
Royal ancestry. I'll do some reading on the Oriki
that you indicated because cultural history is
very... very important.

Last but not least I hope you enjoyed
reading the attached email documents I
sent to you two days ago?

Have a great week ahead!

Konquest:
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@Olu317
Oh beautiful...Thanks for the feedback on your
Royal ancestry. I'll do some reading on the Oriki
that you indicated because cultural history is
very... very important.

Last but not least I hope you enjoyed
reading the attached email documents I
sent to you two days ago?

Have a great week ahead!

Konquest:
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@Olu317
Derin Ologbenla... He was an Ooni of Ile Ife?
Is he a direct ancestor of yours?

Thanks!

Hati13:
It means very important

Hati13:
Ok I will check about it. Could you give me the percentage of those 4 ancestry of Yoruba?

Konquest:
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@Naptu2

Bringing back the good memories again!

We are still young at heart... regardles of whether some of
us are in our 40s or 50s.

"The Thing" was a favourite of mine including the old
late 1970s and early 1980s "Incredible Hulk" series!

Thanks for digging these videos up!


P.S. I didn't see any "Mighty Mouse"[/b]video
there... NOT "Danger Mouse."

Those days, one could easily Imagine becoming Kung fu figter by imitating, ‘Bruce lee', or turning to Incredible Hulk or being Invincible man.....A whole lot of MARVEL CARTOON PRODUCTION!

Konquest:
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@Naptu2

Bringing back the good memories again!

We are still young at heart... regardles of whether some of
us are in our 40s or 50s.

"The Thing" was a favourite of mine including the old
late 1970s and early 1980s "Incredible Hulk" series!

Thanks for digging these videos up!


[b]P.S. I didn't see any [b]"Mighty Mouse"[/b]video
there... NOT "Danger Mouse."

Konquest:
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Hello @Olu317

OK... today is the D-Day!

Check your "xylovoice" inbox right now and you'll
find "12 documented historical" article scans/trimmings
attached for your reading pleasure.

You'll find the articles interesting, and illuminating
from the "ROOTS INTERNATIONAL" Magazine of 1991,
to Prof. Jide Osuntokun's 2004 Guardian article on
Ife-Benin.

I also threw in a Guardian article of 1997
"Beyond Politics of Carpet-Crossing" on the
very mischievious and misleading allegation of
carpet-crossing by Awo which Dayo Adeyeye
[a lawyer] clarified brilliantly in support of Awo
and Action Group!


If you want to crop/trim the documents further
[Go to cutpicture.com or imagesplitter.net and
do so for free].

Have a GREAT month ahead!

Y0ruba:
Well, the Agerige under the focus of Johnson’s narrative was the one in Ogun state. Like ‘Agege’, it was founded by Awori people, interestingly it also leads to Abeokuta then Ibadan.

I saw the ‘age igi’ etymology in Wikipedia too but the source cited for it wasn’t satisfactory but I’ll give it a rest.

Cheers.

9jakool:
one-third? How did you arrive to that conclusion? Where are your sources? Arabic loan words is maybe just 1% of spoken Yoruba.


Yes some of those words like wakati or fitila are clearly loan words from Arabic that came to Yoruba through trade. It's quite sad seeing you trying so hard to pass off pure Yoruba words as Arabic Loan words like Iran, omugo (which in reality stems from the Yoruba word "Ago" meaning stupid/dumb), eebu(which stems from the verb bu ,meaning to insult), or ogun (which is a direct Yoruba word for war, the Arabic equivalence is harb).


No, that's another lie. Congrats! You're just another brainwashed Arab/Egyptian/Hebrew wannabe suffering from inferiority complex trying so hard to rewrite history to feel some sort of accomplishment. You don't and can't speak for a people of 40-50 million people with this crap you wrote up there. No, I can't and won't stand by it. It's just you and your descendants that came from the Middle East. Get that?

This is why the rest of he world laughs at people like you and say you have no history until the arrival of he Europeans. Why? It's because people like you don't take pride in your identity, but instead condemn your heritage, corrupt your culture, and make up imaginary stories that you originate from some far fetched place instead of the land that birthed you.

Hati13:
Olu317,

Afroasiatic originated in northeast Africa and later diversified. Omotic (the oldest) settled to southwest Ethiopia. Cushitic settled N, C and E Ethiopia. Chadic settled C and W Africa. Ancient Egyptian settled north Egypt. Berber settle W Sahara. Semitic originated in Egypt. While some of them moved to south into Ethiopia and became the base for Ethiosemitic languages while the others moved east to Middle East and diversified. They were Brown at first, but became lighter when they intermingled with White. Geez (one of Ethiosemitic language) is older or at the same age as Arabic. It's indigenous to Africa and there are some claim that Arabic is also. Everything began in Africa. The proto-Afroasiatic might originated in Eurasia though.

I don't exactly know Yoruba connection with Afroasiatic in general and Semitic in specific, but if they have, you should refer them African. I think this is the more probable a theory. What do you think?

aiir2303:
Fraud it's all we do. Nigerians both great and small are only interested in what enters their pockets not bothered one bit by the means. It's ridiculous though, even using common sense you should know that a Chief can't confer a chieftaincy tittle

QuietHammer:
How is this pathetic?

Pathetic is when one wakes his father with a roundhouse kick.

QuietHammer:
How is this pathetic?

Pathetic is when one wakes his father with a roundhouse kick.

rhektor:
Hmmmm I love this, just like Itoku in Abeokuta people think it's were dead people are sold but a place where the dead warriors were buried ITẸ́ ÒKÚ. So many names in Yorubaland has been corrupted.

Konquest:
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This is absolutely brilliant!

Well written post...


Well here is my little contribution to this thread!

I read that:
1. "Alakuko" area in Lagos State means "Cock Seller" in Yoruba. In the 1950s, there used
to be a poultry farm around the Alakuko
area, and so commercial vehicles coming
to the area would stop at Alakuko.

2. "Agege" area in Lagos State means "We Cut" ... The
early Awori-Yoruba settlers in Agege had to cut
through the "thick forests" that also had a lot
of elephants.

Agege still had elephants in
the forests as of 1910. I read this in some
historical documents.

GuidoVanRossum:
Thanks for understanding my point.

As for the bold, majority are of Benin origin. We have the ebira (etunos), yorubas (ayanra) and little mix of other ethnicities such as Igala.

jara:
Olu317,

Thanks. It is not only Yoruba complexity. What you just split wide open was what gave rise to Adam and Eve, even when we know the contradiction that their children wondered away to marry other people.

Different groups have filled this same void created by Eledumare with Buddha etc.

Yoruba, as the Bible, Koran or Hindu religion, filled this void with their earliest man or woman.

In the case of Yoruba, it was Oba-tala and later Oduduwa. Oduduwa is not only recognized by today Yoruba alone, Oduduwa is known as Adumu by Ijaw and close names from Benin Republic to the West Indies and South America.

So it is not like Yoruba just woke up in 2000 and invented Oduduwa.

This is why some historians stated that if Oduduwa followed Obatala, he must have been here before Christ.

Thanks for opening up the void again.

Konquest:
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@Olu317

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All the best.

Konquest:
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@Olu317

Thanks for adding more flesh to this Agege
etymology. Igi means tree or wood for those
who may not know...

In fact I read in one of the archival
documents that as of 1910, elephants
were still conspicuously roaming in
the forests of Agege in Lagos State.

You won't believe such things existed in
the past in Lagos because of the heavily
built up nature of the metropolis and
the outskirts. If you get to Sheraton Hotel
in Ikeja, the valley that is located at the back
which connects to Opebi contains crocodiles,
boa constrictors, and other wild animals in
their natural habitat - which represents the
vestiges of the vast forests that existed in
Lagos State decades back!

Brilliant post!

jara:
Olu317,

Thanks. It is not only Yoruba complexity. What you just split wide open was what gave rise to Adam and Eve, even when we know the contradiction that their children wondered away to marry other people.

Different groups have filled this same void created by Eledumare with Buddha etc.

Yoruba, as the Bible, Koran or Hindu religion, filled this void with their earliest man or woman.

In the case of Yoruba, it was Oba-tala and later Oduduwa. Oduduwa is not only recognized by today Yoruba alone, Oduduwa is known as Adumu by Ijaw and close names from Benin Republic to the West Indies and South America.

So it is not like Yoruba just woke up in 2000 and invented Oduduwa.

This is why some historians stated that if Oduduwa followed Obatala, he must have been here before Christ.

Thanks for opening up the void again.

Konquest:
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@Olu317

Thanks for your feedback on this topic.
The biggest problems we get in life come
from the younger generation who may not
have paid attention to the history of their
parents... and end up making the same mistakes
that their grandparents or great-grandparents
made.

But just as you have said, the Japanese teach
their pre-WWII and post-WWII histories in
schools and via national monuments, so the
their elite and politicians have learned a big
lesson from the horrendous nuclear strikes
on Japan!



P.S. I have found the last document which
I said I'll scan for you. It is the one on Prof. Jide Osuntokun and the "Relationship Between
Ife and Benin." I have given instructions
that the scanned document of about 6 should be converted
to "jpeg" for attachment by email to you.
Thanks for your patience.

Konquest:
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I just hope they [Japanese] do not misuse that power again like they
did during WWII. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombings
must have taught them a very big lesson not to dare the world
again. But the Japanese are needed to check the excesses of the
North Koreans and the Chinese Communists...

jara:
Thanks Macof.



You have to be careful though. If Olorun created Obatala as the forerunner according to Prof. Abimbola and other Yoruba historians, Yoruba existed before Christ in whatever name and we cannot dissociate B.C.

Thanks again.

estolaB:



no, ola means wealth, glory is ogo