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Etymology is a problem to some people in Edo. Yes, out of disrespect to my ancestor,precisely Oranmiyan, Oba Bini claimed Odua was a prince in Ogiso lineage. Yet no known name of Ogiso can be traced to my family's lineage. Isn't it funny and lie from pit of hell? Eledumare gave us (Yoruba) more males and twins, you still claim Odua descended from Ogiso? People can be quite hilarious. Still Edo don't have such twins as Yoruba do. And the places mentioned as Yoruba enclave, you come online and type messages that breed inferiority complex. How bad can it be? I ,Olu, didn't classifiy language but the etymologist etc did such, why feel bad about truth? In Ondo state, Yoruba acknowledge Arugbo Ijaw, despite her being minority. The Eguns in Lagos, despite being minority, are well acknowledge, the Tapa—Nupe in Kwara are acknowledged despite the fact that Yoruba language and group is the most spoken and largest tribe. Why do some people dispute that truth? Oke is mountain or hill and Ilè is Home or ilé is down. The etymology of these word testified to it that they were Yoruba words and the founders of ikiran, Ibillo, aiyegunle etc are Yoruba stocks. These were the reason some of them bear Yoruba names.

historyworld031:
Don't mind him, this guy naming himself olu is one big troll who keeps spreading a lot of conspiracy theories.
he is not a serious person and I wish he would just stay off this thread in which Yoruba and Edo are exchangeing data with mutual respect and intellectual honnesty.

Why did you quote me? Anyway, this is a platform to interact with different people.. I know my heritage and very good at it. I have right to be on any forum that mentions Yoruba clans. In fact, I have right to even be on any platform that mention Bini precisely and other Yoruba related groups. However, once you use foul words on my personality, I will report you. period. Sanity must be restored back to this platform because if people, irrespective of age can't live with truth but feel bittered and emotional beyond rational, then such need to be cautioned. Lastly, I am Olu because it is a prefix to my real name and am proud to use it.

Yoruba is classified among the Edekiri languages , which together with Itsekiri and the isolate Igala form the Yoruboid group of languages within the Volta–Niger branch of the
Niger–Congo family. Among the Yoruboid language is in Edo State is ikpoba Okha , Oredo and Ovia South-West. While OLUKUMI, a Yoruba language also is in Delta state and within Edoid languages in Edo State .And Also found in Oshimili North and Esan South-East Local government Areas



Truth is bitter
Those Edo in need of learning more about languages shouldn't hesitate to consult West Africa, language, precisely the relationship amongst the following :
Niger–Congo
Atlantic–Congo
Volta–Niger
YEAI
Yoruboid
Edekiri
Yoruba

ThatKING:
why is the aiyegunle there ?? What's the meaning of aiyegunle ?

Ikiran oke, ikiran ilè are Yoruba names and settlement. This doesn't mean all settlement in Akoko Edo are Yoruba but certain people among Edo like to cover the truth. I wonder what okè and ilè mean in Edo language? Bini language itself has infusion of Yoruba in it. Egocentrism is really the problem of these set of people.

GuidoVanRossum:
Akure and ekiti have different language please. I currently live in Akure and that's where I schooled. I grew up in Kwara (Jebba) and so I speak and understand the general Yoruba perfectly. But I can't pick a thing when ekiti people speak. Same about Akure.

You said the construction is the difference? Then Ondo shouldn't be yorubas cos they speak something very different. Same as the rest (ekiti) inclusive. Let me cite some example with a few Ondo I could manage.

Giyan= so fun
Oforfi= Owipe, Onipe.
Kawa=Maabo
Egin=Egbon
Shoon/sun= Yagbe
Mu ko= fun (give him/her)
Etc

Please be sincere when you want to lay out your point. We aren't in competition for who wins or not


As for your last question, no person from Akoko Edo claims to be Yoruba. I have never met such person before.

The Yoruba dialects you tried to compare and use above are all archaic Yoruba and the form of your writing them didn't jell as it were in the olden days. Oyo that formed the most innovate made the Yoruba language more tonal when speaking. The Giyan isn't correct as it seems. fó( tell) is old form to inform someone and it can be used in different ways. Shoon —sûn is virtually the same. Ka wa—ko Wa(to tell someone to come) mi a-wa( I am coming). The Yoruba language has been tested and its dialects must be over 70% intelligible, before being classified, which cut across Yoruba regions and can be understood by all, irrespective of the dialects. Furthermore, there are other groups that falls within yoruboid language as well. Despite the distance of Itsekiri in their settlement, her language is a Yoruba dialect. There are other groups that are classified as Yoruboid,such as Igala,aslo communities in Edo,Delta state etc. If you grow up in the land, where you understand the Oyo dialects then, you should be able to hear over 50% of other Yoruba dialects if indeed you pay attention to their words and not looking at their mouth. If for instance, you grew up in the settlement you mentioned as difficult for you to understand, then it will be so easy to speak Oyo Yoruba dialect.
Cheers

Blackfire:
Yemoja is not yoruba goddess o

This people sef

where did Yemoja worshipping originate from? We are waiting.

scholes0:
Yoruba eye service too much lol- the desire to look nice and accommodating before others is their ultimate archilles heel as an ethnic group.

Elect an Ijebu man who grew up in ilesha to head that same Ijesha post now, and see the whole building go up in flames... lol



Haha typical Igbos, it is only when they are in a favorable position that they will remember how Nigeria is sweet and how “Tribalism is bad”

Every other day, 98% of them are really half biafrans at heart with no real patriotic allegience to the Nigerian state nor what it stands for.
This was the same scenario that was playing out under the Jonathan presidency that favored Igbos when all of them kept MUTE but have all suddenly become overnight Biafrans under a northern presidency.

These are also the same people currently championing the course of a group called “ NON YORUBA Indigenes of the South-WEST” an organization whose ultimate goal is to challenge the indiginous rights of Yoruba people in their own ancestral region. Yet they come here to preach peace after holding all their “abele” anti yoruba meetings.
Hypocrites!

Laughing in higher powers .. I pity the generality of Yoruba people.

Don't pity Yoruba as a whole. Don't even pity Ijesha as a whole but these set of Ijeshas in Canada that has turned retrogressive attitude in the past to modern civilization. A disgraceful action. If it were to a social club that involves different tribes or ethnicity, it would have made sense but alas these people have come again with unrealistic fraternization. So pathetic.

samuk:
The Igede trace their origin to Sabon Gida Ora in present-day Edo state. They are said to be the descendants of Agba, a high chief in Sabon Gida Ora. A skirmish between the Igede and the natives of Ora led to their migration from that region to present-day Benue state through Nsukka in Enugu state. This historical event in Igede history is commonly recounted in song and drama, for instance the record and drama piece "Ego ny'Igede".
The Igede people are the third largest ethnic group in present-day Benue State of Nigeria. They are native to the Oju and Obi local government areas of Nigeria, where 2006 population figures stand at an estimated 267,198 people. However, a large number of Igede people are dispersed across the state and the Nation. For instance, the Igede language is also spoken in Nigeria's Cross River State, and a large number of Igede communities exist in Osun State and Ogun State.The Igede language is a member of the Benue-Congo subgroup of the Niger-Congo language family. Igede.org is the unofficial online community of Igede people.
Wikipedia.

Igede in Ekiti, did not migrate from Sabon Gari —Ora but from ILE IFE to different places. And these people speak a dialect of Yoruba,which belong to SE Yoruba . In fact, Igede was coined out of OGÈDÈ.

What language do Igede of Benue speak and Sabon Gari —Ora ?

Konquest:
^^^^^^^^
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@Olu317
Thanks a lot Prince!

I'm just seeing this post after being off NL
for some days.

2017 was an awesome year when I got to interact
with intelligent and mature minds like you [@Olu317], Naptu2, 9jakool, laudate, Macof, IgalaSchool... and more!
I learned a lot from you folks last year
and hope to interact some more in 2018.

I wish you all the POSITIVES for the year 2018.

Happy New Year once again @Olu317.


P.S. I have already digitally scanned some of the
historical docs I said I will share with you. I'll PM
you when I get to scan the last doc which
I have not found yet.

O yes! I remember the doc you promised to share . And I look forward to reading them bro. Thanks

Hati13:
Yours could also explain. But there are also other explanations being thrown in this.

Yeah, I have seen what has been posted.

Hati13:
I said "according" to Catholic and some other Christian. I'm not talking like I'm starting fact.

Orthodox Christian say he was born on January 7. The real Jesus might had born on December 25 or January 7 or another date.

Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th because, according to the period,when Elizabeth, wife of Zacheriah, whom was the mother of John the Baptist met with Mary mother of Jesus in the sixth month of Hebrew's calender and this month was the month Jesus Christ was conceived by his earthly mother. And the birth of Jesus Christ came six months after John the Baptist's birth. This categorically confirm that Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th. It can be rightly stated, December 25th is meant to celebrate the existence of Jesus Christ irrespective of the actual date of his birth.

Better to be late than never in wishing awesome and appreciated people on NL happy and belated new year. Wishing the following monikers
irrespective of differences . I pray that nature and God provides to you all:
Konquest
totit
metaphysics
9jakool
probz
ishilove
areafada2
absolutesuccess
imperialyoruba
laudate
macof
bigfrancis
kingshango
Hati13 etc


N. B
The ones I didn't mention should know I wish you all prosperous 2018 in all ramification

Quite thought provoking. Irrespective of people's opinions, the truth cannot be covered. Let all information concerning Yoruba genuinely come up. In as much as Africa was not the name of the set of first inhabitants of this great continent of the Dark complexion. The origin of Afer may either come from: -the Phoenician `afar, dust; -the Afri, a tribe—possibly Berber—who dwelt in North Africa in the Carthage area; -the Greek word aphrike,meaning without cold; -or the Latin word aprica, meaning sunny.

If there is no certainty of how the name Africa really came into existence ,then it is a joke to be proud of such identity? . But, being PROUD ABOUT ONE'S ETHNICITY IS MORE ACCURATELY UNDERSTANDABLE.

ImperialYoruba:
They are like a nagging woman most time, which is irritating; otherwise I love them. Ibos are my brothers from another planet...but on this planet me and them dont see eye to eye. Na war!

Igbo Kwenu! Igbo Kwenu!!

The ones here are reasonable. Those in politics section are a pest, male and female.
Yeye people.

I understand your perspective. But then Yorubas aren't perfect either. And the ones you mentioned in politic section being different is because assumption with little or no evidence is a propaganda tools that differentiates itself from presumption tools being utilise on culture section. There is always a difference between these two methodologies when we as humans informs which can be over ridden with newer ones evidences. Give or take, we are all human beings from the same ancient/ archaic parentage. However, I strongly believe that a lot of us on this forum need do more finding so as to genuinely give out information as it ought.

Hati13:
Olu317,

If I ask,
- why is Ethiopia/Cush the first ppl to be mentioned in the Old Testament?
- why is Ethiopia mentioned more times than another ppl or nation?
- why is there a saying in the Old Testament that says "Ethiopia shall stretch out it's hand to God"?

I ask because the Old Testament was written by Israelis and it should have talked more about Israel than Ethiopia, but it isn't.

You are very knowledgeable on many things, but you are still a Christian? Why is it?

If you ask me as a personal question, I will infer that Ethiopia was a prosperous group of people, whom were powerful and made a great mark on earth. The ancient Ethiopians were Nubians. And from which Israelis intermarried with. In fact the ancient Hebrews, couldn't be differentiated from Egyptians. And the ancient groups of Egypt were also an offshoot of Ethiopian people. The Bible didn't categories Ethiopia as a group the ancient Hebrews should fight and take over spoil from them, likewise Egypt. Biblically, Ethiopia represent the Ham's Race. And they are people of God as well but they need to find him. However, knowing the God of Hebrews is a choice because many Hebrews till infinity will not accept him through Jesus Christ. Then, on my background as following the faith in Jesus Christ is totally different from the way you see the Bible and me . If you have come across different religious book, you can either accept to follow any or let go of all. My ancestors had a way of worshipping God and were ardent followers of IFA tradition. And this tradition has in them different account of things that had happened in the past, such as who God was, the first word spoken by God etc. Being a Christian doesn't not take away the ritual way of sacrifice done by ancestors from my father neither will it take it away from me nor my descendants as well as those who identify with Odua—Oranmiyan etc lineage. Life is about choice.
N. B: I am not as vast you may think because Eledumare(God of heaven and earth) is the one that bless everyone he allowed to exist as humans. And I am like you too.


Cheers

ImperialYoruba:

Dont mind me o jare.

I thank God for Igbo, otherwise Ill be bored in Nairaland. I like them but someone has to keep them on their toes or they start mischief after taking snuff. Hahahahahaha

You are a funny man. Anyway, someone has to make us laugh. Although if they abuse us ( Yorubas) ,I hope you will stand the test of time.

ImperialYoruba:
You all be warned, Olu is teaching about the nativeman Igbo....the authentic indigeneous, not the noisy, unrefined thing from Bantu that we now see in mainstream.

Yeye people. Ashamed of their roots in Congo.

Lol....Don't put me into any trouble. I am only being realistic about oral account of history, etymology ,archeology, DNA traces etc . People like a lot of glory attached to themselves ,which I don't normally believe in it. Nevertheless , information about different people in all human occupied environment is accounted for by different ethnic groups,so there is always a likelihood for traces once emigration take place. But the most outstanding reality is that, evidences don't lie. Let us not digress but give information as being mentioned or confirmed by more than numerous scientists on language etymology.

There is no other as it seems in Eastern Yoruba. Oyinbo or Oyibo means the same with other Yoruba regions. The only thing I find is the silence in the “n" sound that a lot of Yoruba skip unintentionally when using the descriptive skin form/ identity of the white man.

Hati13:
You are getting what I said wrong. I didn't said that Abraham descendants spoken Berber, but Just that Semitic languages are more related to Berber languages than ancient Egyptian.

And I've said that Abraham and his descendants spoke with Egyptians either using Egyptian or other mutual languages.

I don't know the exact answers for the question you asked me. I don't know much about Israelis like you do. Yes, Egyptians are very related with Israelis since they both spoke an Afroasiatic languages, but what I said in a greater Berber-Semitic languages relation is true and you can check linguistic researchs on this online.

Oh k I understand you. However, I know Cush had more strength and domination before Berbers in the ancient past. Ethiopia was closely related to Cush. The Berbers were a later group. Anyway I agree with you that Afro Asiatic as being mentioned was the language spoken by the two groups at first before slight difference that has to do with YHWH. And the beginning of new Hebrew people after the exodus out of this people out of Egypt.

Hati13:
You are getting what I said wrong. I didn't said that Abraham descendants spoken Berber, but Just that Semitic languages are more related to Berber languages than ancient Egyptian.

And I've said that Abraham and his descendants spoke with Egyptians either using Egyptian or other mutual languages.

I don't know the exact answers for the question you asked me. I don't know much about Israelis like you do. Yes, Egyptians are very related with Israelis since they both spoke an Afroasiatic languages, but what I said in a greater Berber-Semitic languages relation is true and you can check linguistic researchs on this online.

Oh k I understand you. However, I know Cush had more strength and domination before Berbers in the ancient past. Ethiopia was closely related to Cush. The Berbers were a later group. Anyway I agree with you that Afro Asiatic as being mentioned was the language spoken by the two groups at first before slight difference that has to do with YHWH. And the beginning of new Hebrew people after the exodus out of this people out of Egypt.

If I can laugh loudly to be heard, I would have done this because some people lacked accurate knowledge on a subject matter and instead to seek info, they results to insults. I chose to respond to the DNA info I posted since it is obvious certain set of people don't know the difference between sampling method that has do to with blood trait and oral interview without any known connection to blood. It seems English is a problem for some people because Yoruba person from Nigeria doesn't mean one Yoruba man. I really pity some people. Anyway, the way you used words gives out your hatred for the truth. The DNA test only testified to places Yoruba people have blood related group according to the percentage. Little do haters know this. However, this thread is basically about Eastern people and I would not digress as such.
For future sake I wish to state here and inform some people about how DNA exist through the following :
Heredity is the passing on of characteristics from one generation to the next. It is the reason why offspring look like their parents. It also explains why cats always give birth to kittens and never puppies. The process of heredity occurs among all living things including animals, plants, bacteria, protists and fungi. The study of heredity is called genetics and scientists that study heredity are called
geneticists.
Through heredity, living things inherit traits from their parents. Traits are physical characteristics. You resemble your parents because you inherited your hair and skin color, nose shape, height, and other traits from them.
Cells are the basic unit of structure and function of all living things. Tiny biochemical structures inside each cell called genes carry traits from one generation to the next. Genes are made of a chemical called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). Genes are strung together to form long chains of DNA in structures known as
chromosomes.

And with this, it show how people are generally grouped as having same blood trait.

I don't engage people who chose insightful word against others. Most of you that does these things are not educated because, education gives one the edge of being a refined person(s) but it is obvious some people lack etiquette.

Kindly go through this little info and if you need to read more, you can check one of the source below on Ibo history.

Nicholas Wade ex-raying new research findings that use mathematical methods of biological DNA analyses to analyze phoneme frequencies (frequencies of sounds and tones of vowels and consonants) as they occur in various distant languages of the world to determine language origins, has not only lend much weight to our own conclusions, but it has made the Igbo language and cultural area a subject for international linguistic and historical discourse.
The conclusion by the Atkinson research team that language originated in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa supports our own thesis of an Igbo origin of languages because Igbo language is based in the Western part of Sub-Saharan Africa. Also the conclusion that this ancient mother-language left Africa during the earliest ‘Out of Africa’ migrations is the same as our own conclusions that Homo Erectus left Africa with a Language and a Culture intact, and not, as animal-like ‘primitive man’. Our thesis that the San (Khoisan) Bushmen of the Kalahari were among the earliest carriers of this Proto-Proto-Igbo mother tongue, was also confirmed in the Atkinson research findings.


EGYPTIAN WORDS OF IGBO ORIGIN
The Egyptian word for ‘gods’ is NTR or
Neter. It means ‘Guardian or Watcher’. Its Igbo equivalent/original is Onetara (meaning – ‘He who
guards and watches’ over a thing on behalf of someone else). The Igbo original is more explicit, for it shows that these lesser gods are answerable to a Higher Being.
The highest and oldest of the known gods of Egypt was Ptah. He was the father of all the other gods. His name, Ptah , means in Egyptian, ‘He who fashions things by carving and opening up”. The Igbo original of this word is Okpu-atu (meaning ‘He who moulds/fashions things by carving and opening up’. Igbo word tuo/atu
means both ‘to carve and to open a hole’). Ptah’s rule over Egypt began as early as 21,000 BC! If his name and the collective name for the gods of Egypt, Neter, were Igbo in origin, it implies that an ancient civilization of Igbo extraction existed in West Africa, where the gods, and not men ruled, by at least 22,000 BC; that Egypt was an originally Igbo-speaking civilization and that early Egyptians were Igbos.

Ptah’s son was called Ra , meaning ‘Sun/Daylight’. It’s Igbo original was Ora (which in Afa
– the cult language of Igbo native priests, also meant ‘Sun/daylight’).
The grandson of Ra was called Osiris by the Greeks and Asar by the Egyptians. Osiris’ was associated with the number ‘seven’. No one knows the meaning of his name in Egypt [12] , but in Igbo language Asaa means ‘seven’!
The son of Osiris was called Horus. This is a Greek version of a native Egyptian word Heru , which means ‘Face’, as in ‘Face of the Sun’. Its Igbo original is Iru – ‘Face’. Horus was known as the Lord of the Horizon. The Horizon being known to the Egyptians as the land of the Rising Sun, a place located in the Southwestern direction from Egypt - the original mythological home of the gods of Egypt. Our analyses shows that this land of the Rising sun was known in several other world mythologies as the Center/Navel of the Earth.

culled from. www.faculty.ucr.edu

RedboneSmith:
Oh my God, do you even understand that what you posted is an ancestry test result of one person, and not a chart of the genetic closeness (or distance) between the ethnicities listed?

'Ibo-Bantu connection has been postulated'. Postulated by who? Non-scholarly online mischief makers don't count. Give the name of one social scientist or geneticist who has made a postulation like that.

BTW, Igbo being the oldest language, blah blah is yet more pure hogwash. Where do you people pick up these things from - Catherine Acholonu's pseudohistorical mumbo jumbo?

I am disappointed in your quick assertion . What is ancestry without sampling of blood trait? By only oral account? No wonder, you quickly jumped over board. Go and verify what exactly DNA means. I will not get involved in a pathetic and non educational issue you want to raise up. If you can't understand the connection between studies carried out and blood related link across the world, then there's no need to engage such personality as yours. Then on the issue of Ibo language is beyond your own Ibo professor known as Catherine. In fact Quentin D. Atkinson, a biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand and others carried out more test on Ibo language variation. If you hate being called Bantu or ancient Egyptians, then you can sue the scientists who had done conclusive test on the ancient words similarity between Ibo language and ancient Egypt.
Cheers

AlderFadington:
What you wrote is the largest pile of rubbish I've seen in a while.

First of all, the original language of fulanis "fulfulde" is known and the vast majority of them who identify as fulani or a subvariation still speak their language.

Are there any other people who identify as igbos but speak any other language that is indubitably their original language as it is with the fulani?

Secondly, if the igbo language isn't their language then whose is it? We know the fulani started speaking Hausa due to their proximity with the hausa. Did the igbo just come and started speaking an indigenous language with no origin? Where did they get igbo from?

The history of fulanis is known, so is their native tongue and how a minority of them came to speak hausa as a primary and in some cases secondary language.

I repeat that whole comparison is extremely lacking in sense and cohesiveness.

And the truth is, multiple genetic studies have proven the ethnic similarities between igbos and Yorubas. Then there is the linguistic similarity, it's too uncanny not to be true. Maybe your hatred or subjectivity or simply the need to dissociate yourselves from them leads you to make stupid claims like you're doing but that's just the fact.

Yoruba have no genetic connection as such with Ibos. In fact, the DNA carried on Yoruba and blood related group didn't identify IBO's with Yoruba. The only connections that was found staggering was that Ibo language was classified as the mother of all languages, because it was termed as the oldest language in Africa and the rest of the world. Research has been done on it and more still being carried out. On the Bantu issue isn't as badly as been postulated because Yoruba too have less than 1% blood trait with these group, especially the Bantu of Kenya. The point here is that Ibo-Bantu connection has been postulated and research wouldn't stop until more evidence are given. Language wane once a small group move out from the original source, especially if such language fuse with a new one,which directly become interwoven and becomes related in a new environment.
DNA link group within West Africa to Yoruba

Chukazu:
ButJacob came back from Lebanon house before going to Egypt during famine

Yes,he did. There is no iota of doubt that Jacob was born along with his twin brother and escaped to Laban's place for safety from his twin brother, which also heralded his marriage to two daughters of Laban,where it was located in Paddam Aram in Mesopotamia .This location is somewhere in west of the Euphrates river in the Levant (western and southern Syria). And all these people were somehow migrants from Africa according to human history. And it was easy for Language to be similar which could be as a result of interaction and clans' relationship.

Happy new year to all us here on NL. Fruitful one in 2018 is what I desire for you all.

Chukazu:
Oga your plunder is claiming Jews where slaves an captive to the Romans. Jews were captives and slaves to other nations you mentioned , that means they were captured and taken to those places but the ROMAN EMPIRE didn't operate that way ...they had colony right within Jewish nation that's why you had , Pontius Pilate as a Roman rep,..was is not the Romans that crucified Christ ,so why your claim? Or did they crucify in Rome?. Don't twist history

The cities of Gaza and Judea and Samaria(west bank) was Philistine cities but The people you called Palestinians today are mainly Jordanian and Lebanese descendants they have nothing to do with Philistines do prober research yourself...and if insist they were then it makes your argument even void because "Philistines " were mainly Invaders who had not inheritance in Jewish Land ...do your research not emotions

Jordan is of whose ancestors land? Lebanon is of whose ancestors land? These two places you mentioned existed but each group had its limited landscape. The philistines were a neighbour to Israelis. In fact, the Hebrew had no real king while every other tribes had king over them. So, I don't understand what you mean by invaders. The Hebrews were fist known after the red sea account of them as they claimed God helped them killed king pharaoh warriors by submergence inside water after the cross over to the other side of it. If you think you know the reason Roman Empire invaded Jerusalem? The Roman you mentioned captured Hebrews and killed thousands before establishment of their city as a colony. Little did you know that Hebrew language had disappeared and while Aramaic was what was spoken. Where did the speakers of the language went? Princes of the house of David had been taken to different part of the world, especially to Africa. Why was Jesus Christ taken to Egypt at birth? You think, to be killed by Herod? If you don't know, then like I had mentioned earlier that you need to read the killings of the Hebrews by the Pagan Romans and establishment of Jerusalem as a colony. Go and read more about the 'Maccabees'. Perhaps you would have added more to what you know after you finish reading about whom was referred as 'HONIAS' .

NotComplaining:
I agree that Abram was neither a jew or a xtian. He Abram was one who submitted to the will of God and that in arabic is 'Tasleem', and the one who submits is a Muslim. Abram was a Muslim as Islam was was the first of all religions on the planet.

Culturally, Abram was a persian. His name originates from the persian Farsi language, not Hebrew, Aramaic or Latin. So linguistically you christians have no claim to the name neither does the Torah, Thalmud or New Testament.

Whenever you mount an attack on Islam and Muslims you are mounting a greater attack on xianity. Jesus never ever called his followers christians! Remember he was always a jew!

Christianity is not a way of life, we know this because Jesus only came to implement the laws that came before him. So you mean Judaism is a way of life. And we know today that Judaism is obsolete, irrelevent and unrobust.

All the people of the past were Muslims. You cant bring a point without showing bias. Why cant we call Jesus a Muslim?

And Jesus spoke of one that will come after him that his name will be Ahmed (praise worthy) and Muhammed is the praise worthy one. Is Ahmed not mentioned in Barnabos gospel? How many Ahmeds came after Jesus that achieved the feat of Muhammed?

You guy lack sincerity and dont know history.

Please dont let me start because if I do you will run..If you dont know your religion abstain from debate.

Abram was not a Persian. If you don't know ,you can google it. He was from Chaldean origin and his ancestors migrated From Africa. The ancient chaldean language was classified as Afro—Semitic. Study and stop missing up fact with emotions. If you were born Muslim, doesn't take away the truth that the Bible is older than Quran . If I am a Christian or not, does not take away archaeological evidence that proof Abram as not a Muslim. The religion of Abram entails many forms of sacrifices. And He did sacrificed White Ram once to God in exchange for his son. But on the part of Islam,it is annually done, can you genuinely inform me why Abram didn't do that through out his lifetime for his son? Did you even know Abram didn't eat that Ram? Where then do now see Abram as a Muslim? Study and stop being emotional about religion.

jeruzi:
The Hebrew language was already being spoken before their going into Egypt. There might have being some influence though, just as we have it today where some language use english words inbetween their sentence.

Spoken by who? who was the first to be taken to Egypt as a sold slave ? Do you know the tribe of Laban? What language did Jacob spoke with Laban? There was no Hebrew tribe speaking any Hebrew language because the language became formed during Moses period. Moses was educated in the Egyptian writing and knowledge. If you have contrary evidence, post it.

Chukazu:
1.Palestinians are not same as Philistines

2.Israel was a Roman colony ,it is different from been taken into captivity...they didn't ship every single one of them to Rome

You are quite funny with these info you posted. Like I had mentioned earlier, the Palestinians were offshoot of the people I mentioned. Palestine isn't a tribe ,is it? If you know about Middle Eastern turbulence during different reigns of tribes that migrated to Middle Eastern location, you won't debunk my assertion. The last man that created a new order in the Middle East was Prophet Muhammad. And Islamic religion took root from thence. So you didn't know Israelis were already slaves in waned Assyrians cities, Babylonians cities, Egyptians cities, Greek cities before Roman came? Even King Herod wasn't a patrilineal Jewish descendants. Go and read more on the history of the people living in Jerusalem during the period of Jesus.

waveman2:
I greet u sir, u are a true scholar. This is not a matter of been a christain or a Muslim. It is the promise of God to the jews. The way their country was given to them easily, dat is the way Jerusalem will be handed to Israel as its capital. Do you think Trump won the election by accident? Go and think again.

Yeah it is.And many of us seem not to understand that, the ancient Israelis (Canaanites) first owned that land because their ancestor known as Abram was the one God gave that land. This can be found in the account of the interaction between Lot and Abram inside the Holy Bible . The Bible specifically mentioned it. Today, the Israelis is the most developed agriculturally in the Middle East and with advanced technology on a deserted land. The Arabs in that area had oil yet depends on the West for a lot of things, ranging from cars, weapons, food etc. Shouldn't that be a good example to those against the Israelis? Although at times, the Israelis go on offensive that need them to be cautioned. This doesn't change the fact that Abram owns that land and rightfully belong to his Sarah's descendants, despite the fact that his Egyptians maid's son known as Ishmael descendants can stay there if they become peaceful with their half brothers. Funny enough, Ishmael was a peaceful man when he lived on Earth. But the curse on Ismael descendants is what makes them wild and prone to uncontrollable anger. Then on the issue of Donald Trump, If you think spiritually, perhaps he was positioned for a lot of purpose and he will fulfill the purpose he became the President of United States of America . And truthfully Jerusalem belong to Israel.

rhektor:
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Hati13:
What I said wasn't proposed by African authors, but by the international linguistic scholars.

Yes the classification come in 20th century AD, but this even make the classification to be authentic compared to the past. Science improve though time, so this means 20th is better than 19th or other century.

Abraham and his descendants communicate with Egyptians using mutual language/s (Egyptian or other language in which both had understood).

According to recent linguistic studies, Semitic languages are more related to Berber languages than Ancient Egyptian language.

Do you really think Abram descendants spoke Berber's language related language? My friend, Egyptian had a more detailed inscription about their past glory and both archeology and Bible mentioned the reign of pharaoh's existence in the Bible. How can you identify the Berber's language of ancient times, when Egyptians language was the dominant language? The Egyptians, somewhere along the line enslaved Israelis. And this was how their story begun in a dynamically way. Despite the fact that Abram was called out of his ancestors house whose ancestors migrated to the different part within the Mesopotamia area around 10BC before settling down. The point here is that, if you as a man moved out of your original land and migrated to a new place, then it is certain, your third generation will likely loose your original mother tongue to the new environment they now occupy . This is a simple logic without. As far as I have see and done research on this subject matter, everything about Israel point to them as developing a language through Egyptian's. If you think, the Egyptians is absolutely different from Israelis or don't have any connection,then let me ask you some questions: what language did Moses spoke with pharaoh?,What language did Joseph spoke in Egypt? What language did Abram spoke in Egypt? What language did Jacob spoke with his in-law Laban that he served for many years?