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Nothing can rationalize Buharis threat BEFORE the election. He wanted people to protect their vote when we have the police and INEC.
Fact is that he was deliberately incendiary in his comments. . . and when he lost, it was as simple as striking a match in a room of explosive gas.

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So, this is the first time presidential elections are rigged in Nigeria.

The truth is that Igbos today today would vote for an Igbo only country.

Those of us who see a possibility of a southern Nigeria do so only on the condition that current Nigerian suspicions and fears don't continue in the new country. Nothing more, nothing less.

Even at that, we have to campaign vigorously in Igboland for that to pass. FACT.

But I share in Shango Tors vision.

Only leaders can envision.

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Enforcers of Buhari's "mandate".

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There is a difference between dereliction of duty (if you like on the side of the president), and inciting supporters to kill other Nigerians.
Buhari wanted to use illiterate northerners as enforcers of his selfish political interest.

Hundreds of Nigerians are dead today because Buhari threatened trouble if rigging occurred. He should NEVER have issued such threats as a presidential elections candidate.

Since he wanted to be president, I would believe that he was informed enough about the nature of his own supporters, and therefore not make any form of threat, or incendiary comments during campaigns.

So, when he made those threats, he knew what he was doing. He only wanted to use his illiterate supporters as tools to check rigging.

Well, he forgot that innocent Nigerians would be killed by his supporters.

In civilized societies, he would be arrested and tried.

I wonder how his supporters (assuming they have conscience) sleep at night.

As a candidate in the presidential elections, he warned about possible violence if the election was rigged.
Is that what a presidential candidate should be busy with?

Shouldn't he have been busy telling us what he would do for Nigeria?

Well, the elections ended in his defeat, and his supporters (being mainly illiterates) acted out his earlier threats.

Whoever voted for this man has blood in his hands.

The return of ShangoThor!

Most of the posters here are kids.

Most of them don't even bother to think through their posts. They lack a sense of history and the maturity to analyse the issues accurately.

Some are "adult kids" who plan the future without examining the past.

James Hadley Chase says that a wise man knows his limits because everyone has one.

For adults only please.

Posted by: mens dept

You are absolutely right about Chime and to some extent Obi. However, you  cant limit the solution to the finding of a saviour. The fundamental problem Igbo people are facing now can best be summarized as being displaced--even in the East. The general mindset among them has allowed for complacency, money craze, power grabing, mansion building, and Northern town going. I'm a bit of Igbo, Bini, and Yoruba, and the Igbo side are living in various places- even in Katsina.

Isnt that crazy?

That is why I proposed the involvement of universities in Igboland (because of psychological and sociological analysis of the problem).
Most of the Igbos go there because they sense opportunity there.

If we provide such opportunity by building of new towns through self help, they will return.

If they don't return, other southerners will take over the opportunity.

That is why I said that the journey to our survival does not accommodate fools.

If they don't wisen up, they die . . . unsong and unmourned.  

@Rossikk

Yes you are correct. Even Enugu can be turned into the Johannesburg of West African due to its natural topography.
But, I'm talking about areas that would allows us to bring in NEW ideas about city design and planning.

Our returning folks need that sense of "new town and settlement" to be attracted to it.

It would also allow us space to redesign existing ones.

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All my solution threads are always based on the fact that you never know where the saviour might come from.

Look at Sullivan Chime, I bet you that everyone thought he would be like Chimaroke Nnamani. Well he is not.

Look at Peter Obi, he may lack revolutionary ideas, which is what threads like this can accomplish. Already there is a new town being planned in Omambala area (if I'm not mistaken).

Part of our duty is to spring up ideas for our governors.

An idle governor will likely steal money than a governor with HUGE expenditure to attend to.

Finally, once the planning and construction of the arterial roads in the new towns are completed, SE governors should then issue a FINAL warning to Igbos in the north, telling them to leave the north and return home, and settle in the new towns.
If they fail to heed the call, THEY ARE THEN LEFT TO THEIR FATES.
The journey to our ultimate survival in Nigeria does not accommodate fools.

The situation is urgent. I cry for dead Igbos in the north mainly because they don't have a choice for now.
I will stop crying once they have a choice.

Enuf said.

And to keep the cost low, we must use only local expertise and labor, unless our diaspora population can contribute "expatriate" service to the project. The universities in our zone can be challenged with some of the professional works needed to create these towns.

If we even want, we can make it that new buyers of land will pay a certain fee (token) for road construction to service roads in front of their own properties, on a pro-rata basis.

My aim is to accomplish this with as little federal assistance as possible.

We can do this. Yes we can.

The more I think of this, the more I see how easy it is.
All it takes are these:

(1) Designate locations, and do first structure plan (ie transportation and land use plan) for each town.

(2) Create a schedule for development (areas that must develop first before other areas in other to avoid chaotic development)

(3) Start selling land at below market prices to new settlers


Each new town should "breath" off an existing town, meaning to locate within short distance of existing towns.

We can launch this and focus on it, and I can assure you that it will be viable. This is more relevant and urgent than the state creation campaign. If we get an extra state, fine and dandy. But I don't want anything that depends on the federal government for its success. We have never been protected in northern Nigeria by the federal government. The extra state they promised years ago is caged in federal politics.

We can create new towns and move there en mass. It is within our power. Let's do it.
If we do it, I can assure you that the problem of constant killing of Igbos in the north will end.

One Nigeria is only a figment of the imagination of blood suckers.

. . . and please, someone chase out those cattle rearers in agu Awka. We need land to build new towns.

The best way to solve a problem is to avoid it. Once more, hundreds of people (many of them Igbo), have lost their lives in Northern Nigeria as an offshoot of a presidential election.

I don't want to ask why anymore. We've been asking why since the first northern riots even before Nigeria's independence. In a way, I think that the many years of failure by Igbo leadership to plan new towns and expand the urban living in SE led to mass movement of people to perennially hostile parts of Nigeria.

The starting of this campaign may be a little late because the gubernatorial elections are almost here, else we should be asking the candidates about their plans to build new towns in Igboland. Nevertheless, it is never really a quickie kind of strategy. It should be a deliberate and sustained effort to design our living space in Nigeria in such a way that guarantee us peace and security.

Needed Urgently: At least two new towns in each of the SE states. That should absorb the population of returning Igbos and our southern brothers living amongst us.

This action is well within our capacity. We don't need any "federal" approval to do this.
We have the spirit of independence. We can do this. Yes we can!

I don't want to derail this thread with argument as to why it is silly to think that the south cannot exist peacefully.

Throughout Nigeria's history, whatever conflict that broke out in southern Nigeria was directly or indirectly connected to northern rule. Is it the killing of Igbos in parts of the west after the counter-coup led by Murtala Muhammed in 1966? Or it is the Abiola riots after IBB cancelled a fair election? Those are the ONLY trouble in the west. The east has always been calm and peaceful, except the recent MEND uprising, which doesn't target innocent settlers.

Methinks that if we shed Aboki, the south will live happily ever after.  

Heck we are already doing it.

Northerners kill southerners willy nilly.  


Division will solve that PERMANENTLY.  

As I write this, my friend who is a medical doctor at ABU teaching hospital is huddled at home with his wife and two kids, afraid to step outside their hiding place in Kaduna.

He is making IMMEDIATE plans to head Eastwards after this thing dies down.

ndu_chucks is just lying through his teeth as usual. There is more than enough land in Igboland for returning Igbos.  

I will start a campaign to force SE governors to designate land and plan new towns for returning Igbos and southerners.

The north is a game reserve for wild animals.

Northerners should then NEVER set foot on any part of our territory.

ndu_chucks,

You stated that there would be killings if the elections are rigged.

My question to you is: Why did southerners not kill northerners when Shagari was rigged in twice -in 1979 and 1983?

Why didn't any northerner die in the south when Yar adua stole the elections in 2007? BTW that election was adjudged the worst in the history of elections in the world; yet no northerner lost his life in the south.

Why should a normal human being kill a pregnant woman, for any reason whatsoever?

Just leave this thread and stop trying to deceive yourself. Dan iska.

I'm laughing at thought of seeking the perspective of murderers.

It is like a thief breaks into your house, steal all your property, ra -pe your wife, kill all your kids, and escapes. Next day you see the same thief sitting somewhere jeje sipping a champagne, and you go to ask him why he did what he did.

Some southerners indirectly encourage these northerner I swear.

I would really like for there to be a first time anywhere in southern Nigeria where indigenes wake up one day to target these northerners and kill as many as possible.

That alone will change northern thinking.   Nonsense.
Abeg keep your yeye opinions to yourselves. A young national youth copper is missing in Bauchi.    

I'm laughing at thought of seeking the perspective of murderers.

It is like a thief breaks into your house, steal all your property, ra -pe your wife, kill all your kids, and escapes. Next day you see the same thief sitting somewhere jeje sipping a champagne, and you go to ask him why he did what he did.

Some southerners indirectly encourage these northerner I swear.

I would really like for there to be a first time anywhere in southern Nigeria where indigenes wake up one day to target these northerners and kill as many as possible.

That alone will change northern thinking.   Nonsense.
Abeg keep your yeye opinions to yourselves. A young national youth copper is missing in Bauchi.    

No.
I think the north is motivated by wickedness.
The most dangerous wicked man is one that is also poor.
We have poor people in southern Nigeria, yet they don't rise up against non-indigenes to massacre them.

Have you ever seen a southern tribe or group killing a pregnant settler, cutting open the guts and killing the baby too? I don't think so.

This is about being wicked. That's all.

How can any normal person live with such wicked people?

hehehe! I never thought I'd ever see ndu_chucks talking about secession, even if remotely.
So, some of us are not mad afterall.

Sai one Nigeria!

I don't think MASSOB has a choice about that. Either arm up or become irrelevant.

Peaceful agitations don't earn you respect in Nigeria. The north does not believe in peaceful agitations.

Folks are really pathetic.
So the man can't do his job as president again?
Just remember to cry when he does something for Ndigbo, 'cos he will.
BTW, he hasn't even formed his new cabinet yet. So hold your horses. I know say dis election pain you well well.

I like this Gadogado guy. He is honest and cuts to the chase.

His plan is very acceptable to me.

I don't think this is about punishing any section of the country. It is about finding peace and stability.

Yea, we see how you are the most handsome dude on nairaland.

No thanks! I like being Igbo.

@Abagworo

Nwanne please repent.

You still don't understand that in Nigeria, Izu ka mma na nne ji.

All these imprecations you are attracting to yourself will happen one day if you don't repent.