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I am more concerned with what Jonathan is doing already to ensure that these northern extremists don't gain power by all means as they are threatening. I once advised Jonathan to be STRONG and nothing will happen. I still stand on that advice.
Meanwhile, those who are wondering whether an agreement can be worked out in the south should closely watch Ralph Uwechue (the Ohanaeze president) and his crew. They are already doing it.
Almajiri can't do s%^&t. We are praying DAILY for them to ship out if they can't stand the development.

Jona, abeg grow big balls!

jason12345:
we have already told them and [b]they respect our stance [/b]as we have respected their stance

We shall see about that. Only time will tell.

jason12345:
no, it wasn't and im not boasting!!

the west were neutral when the war started until you decided to come to """"liberate"""" us

There was NO WAR BETWEEN THE EAST AND THE WEST. Trust me.

jason12345:
goodluck with your  plan!!!

you'll need it. don't just try to invade the west. pls. im begging you!!! plsssss!!!! a word is enough for the wise

Tell that to MEND! hahahaha 

We are ALREADY in the west. We "invaded" looooooooog time ago! hehehe!

jason12345:
stay, you are welcomed .

did we say you should not dominate nigeria you failed to get the point. iam not talking about you and gowon, im talking about what lead to[b] the fight between east and west[/b]

There was NO fight between the East and the West.

There was a war between the East and Everybody else. So stop this boast about East fighting West. It never happened.

jason12345:
exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you see what going on? its this same lack of respect that made the ijaw leaders weary of biafra. not that they would dominated but that they will be marginalised. do you think with this attitude we can have an igbo president? look, i am a strong supporter of an igbo president in nigeria but non- nlders in nigeria might be reading our post and i know they would see some sense in what i and alj harem say (although, alj harem can be silly sometimes).

chyz, have you asked yourself why the igbos produced 60 presidential candidates, its because of the same fear of marginalisation each sub-group has. they now eachother and they know what they are capable of.

Forget about Ijaw people because you DON'T like them. Even as Itshekiri, you HATE them. So drop the pretence!

Ndigbo are organizing and preparing. We are already doing it by supporting Jonathan. When we get all we want from him, we move to stage two.

chyz:
Onlytruth bro you know i am Nwa Afor igbo. Too much boasting is not good, bragging is not good.Let us build our house and be humbled about it. I know we are successful in a lot of things but let us not brag about it UNLESS someone tries to throw their achievements in our face and down talk us. What im concerned about it Igbo. Those who try and dominate us will definitely feel the wrath but when we strike,if need be, let it be devistating but ALL FINGERS MUST BE BOLD UP TOGETHER IN ONE FIST.

You should know that Ndigbo never attack anyone. We only fight back. Even the 1967 war was started by Gowon, not Ojukwu.
I am trying to drive home a point, that Nigerians must accept us just the way we are or be prepared to allow us form our own country. I'm tired of One Nigeria without "Igbo dominance", well we are Nigerians.
Have you ever heard of English or German dominance or Jewish dominance of the US? It doesn't exist because all Americans ARE ONE.
Can you say that about Nigeria?
Why did folks conspire to wipe us out for the same reason they are afraid of?
Leave Nigeria, trouble. Stay in Nigeria, wahala!  

We WILL DOMINATE Nigeria if we can and YES WE CAN!

jason12345:
what are you saying? so, we should not defend our people against terror?

ethnic cleansing wtf>>> if the yorubas and the hausa actually wanted ethnic cleansing then biafra war would have been the best time to wipe igbos out BUT NO!!!! GOD FORBID IT!!!! WE CANNOT WIPE OUR BROTHERS BECAUSE OF ONE MAN'S GREED (OJUKWU).

and brother stop patronising the ijaws, its pathetic. instead, face the truth!!!

You did not wipe us out because YOU COULD NOT. Gerrit?
You did everything you could, but failed!

jason12345:
onlytruth, because the hausa man is saying the truth and you don't want to hear it thats why you deem it as an attempt to spilt igbos

the hausas and the yorubas are not friends but for us to say this together, their must be some element of truth in it.

why would 2 major tribes conspire against ndigbo why can't ndigbo and hausa conspire against yoruba. you should know that their is something wrong with your mind set

or why don't we conspire against the ijaw why only ndigbo

You are already conspiring against Ijaw. Atlas cove was a test case.

The uniformity of purpose between the Yoruba and Hausa is for control of the oilfields of the EAST. Smart minorities know that we (Ndigbo) are the only REAL barrier between you/Hausa and ethnic cleansing of oil bearing lands.
Jonathan is not a f00l for making an Igbo man the chief of army staff.

You don't give much credit to Ijaw people.

chyz:
Uche, remember when you said that your aunt told you that there were[b] Igbos in the north praising the death of Amadu Bello and boasting about it? you are sounding like one of them right now.[/b] You yourself said it was wrong. Not good.

You cannot equate both is any way. It is like comparing headache with brain tumor.

WE ARE NIGERIANS AND WILL DOMINATE ANY PART OF NIGERIA. I will not apologize about that.

Doing that is tantamount to apologizing for being a hardworking, disciplined and focused Nigerian.

And yes I will boast about it too. My boast will not be empty though. It will be based on facts.

chyz:
Uche,what you are talking about can never be achieved unless we fix our house. Plan, Plan, Plan and perfection is key but only to protect our people not to go out on conquest like thoughs naughty person northerners do.

Chyz if I didn't know better I would have thought you are Yoruba!  

You talk as if ruling other people is THE Igbo agenda. Since when did we start planning to rule other people?

Folks misunderstand Igbo hardwork and achievement for plans of domination.

That is why Nigeria is a [size=14pt]fat dud[/size] that cannot claim any field in world dominance; because Nigeria has been busy trying to contain and put down the rampaging Igbo spirit.

I took one look at the Super Falcons team and saw that it is dominated by Igbo girls.

That is WHY they are STRONG. Remove them, and see the team collapse again. That is part of what killed the super Eagles.

So, Nigeria needs to decide whether they want a winning country which dominate one field or the other (like the Swiss dominate watch making), or a country run by mediocres who lack the energy and ambition to achieve great things for Nigeria.

That is a 50 year old question.

Meanwhile, we roll! Be ourselves and if we dominate any field, well, tough luck to others! We can't live by their dictates and measure.  

T9ksy:
Hate ke? whatever gave you that notion? Am just trying to clarify the matter as per starvation for you as that's one of the major grouse the igbos have against Awo. Unfortunately, all you can deduce/smell was hate. Did you perchance peruse the link, i provided? I deal with facts and not opinions, bro.

Bro, its truism that Ojukwu used the plight and image  of starving innocent igbo kids to garner more military aid in pursuance of his hegemonic ambition. Ojukwu should never have gone to war at that time. Rather, the igbos should have bid their time but ojukwu was in a hurry. The war was ill-planned and wrongly implemented by him. neither the mid-west, west or Lagos wanted the war. he should have secured more concessions for his people while he continues to plan for a later date.  Imagine where the igbos would be now had they not lost so many of their brilliant young minds in that senseless war?

One thing is certain much as i admire the igbos i surely do not want them to marginalise me in my own fatherland. Let them go and build their great alaigbo nation but that nation will not include oduduwa land.

No, my friend, we are Nigerians and Lagos and Yorubaland is Nigeria. Ya ain't going nowhere dude! Gerrit?
So, we roll in Eko!

chyz:
Uche, I never changed my views about awolowo.he would have been in pieces if i got my hands on him;however, you can not blame the yoruba has a whole off of what a few like awolowo and adekunle did makes no sense.

What if "awolowoism" is a doctrine to which many Yoruba's subscribe?
What if they don't see anything wrong with starvation of children to win a war?

I see your point about not generalizing, but keep your focus on Awo's doctrine. You will miss the GIST if you don't.

EzeUche0:
I definitely have come to the conclusion that dirty Lagos is a prize to many Igbos. Many of my brethren covet that city. Yorubas should worry about my brethren who enjoy Lagos. Because they will rather die in Lagos then flee if something does happen.

Igbos are coming to Lagos in increasing numbers. And they are not becoming Yorubanized either.

We DEY for Lagos. IT IS OUR HOME now. lmao!

To my Igbo brothers and sensible Ijaw and other EASTERN minorities:

The strategy of your COMMON ENEMIES (jason12345 -a Yoruba, and alj harem -a Hausa/Fulani) is to divide us to WEAKEN us in case of the day of WAR. They did it before, and they will TRY do it again.

I would probably advise the Eastern minorities to face the Yoruba squarely while we Ndigbo face aboki. We can win them if we fight as ONE.
They are really weak, just good at lies and schemes.

When MEND attacked Atlas cove, the Yoruba took it as an attack on Yorubaland. Never mind that Atlas cove is a Federal Government facility. That should teach you all you need to know about Yoruba. Enuf said.

As for aboki, the only barrier between him and your land and oil, is the IGBOMAN.

It is self evident. Be wise.

T9ksy:
Quote from:Onlytruth Today at 12:59:10 AM
No shaking o, my igbo brother. However when the time comes you all shall realise that Yorubaland belongs to the yorubas. If you guys are landlocked, that's your wahala but if you think you can use the pretext of pseudo One nigeria to lay claim to another man's land, then be prepared for whatever fate befall you.

Just don't come back and start palying the victim, again.
You 've been warned.
Just like everyone warned Ojukwu then but he refused putting on his obduracy cap, he said "hell no, we must go to war".
when his arse got kicked, he stole away like a thief in the night to cote d-voire in search of what? PEACE!!!

Reminds me of this yoruba adage that says "the cheek that is destined to receive an almighty slap in kutunwengi, if the owner is asleep in ibadan, he/she will wake at the right time, travel to kutunwengi and will not stop until his/her receive his "destiny".

You are still living in 1967 when you hid behind the Hausa/Fulani to deliver that slap.

This time it will be YOU and Igbo. We shall see how strong you are then.

When MEND attacked altlas cove, y'all was raving and ranting but Okoroman knew you were really peeing your pants. Hahahahahahahaha!

In 1967, there was not up to 50, 000 Igbos in Yorubaland. Today, you have at least 5 million in Lagos alone.

Ol'boy, okoroman is already chilling in your home, and you can't do s%^&t about it. Lagos is NIGERIA, so we operate and DOMINATE there.

Oh, so you are now afraid of ONE NIGERIA?
Chineke eee!

lmao!

All we got from Awo was starvation and N20. That's all.

T9ksy:
Quote from: vicenzo on Today at 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: vicenzo on Today at 04:41:15 PM
And who told you guys that we yorubas want to form alliance with you? And what for?
I laugh in Yoruba.

You take care of your region and we will, ours. we don't need you guys for anything as we are quite capable of taking care of our own affairs. Just as we told your pseudo-nationalist Zik during the carpet-crossing saga when he tried to become governor of Yorubaland and also later told your hero, Ojukwu who was coming to "liberate" us with his purportedly seceedung troops, so we are saying now. we do not need you guys. we are quite capable of managing our affairs. We yorubas are here to stay and we 'll not choke on anything!!!

Thanks but no thanks!!!

My friend you are choking already!

By the way, you are NOT in control of at least Lagos , and we are only warming up.
I laugh when you babble without brains. We already OWN a HUGE CHUNK of Yoruba land, and we intend to keep it irrespective of your actions or OURS. Gerrit!

And yes we will still control the East.

We DON'T NEED your alliance 'cos it is WORTHLESS. Irrelevant.

Frankly I'd be surprised if PDP wins next year. In fact I believe PDP can only win through rigging.
That house is laden with too many rogue elements. If PDP wins fairly, it means other parties are even worse.

[size=16pt]2011: Presidency, PDP troubled over party’s chances in South-South [/size]

Written by Idowu Samuel, Abuja. Thursday, 04 November 2010

Buoyed by favourable reports trickling in from a ‘field committee’ working for the emergence of President Goodluck Jonathan as the presidential candidate of the ruling Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP), strategists in the presidency have already commenced a preview of ‘plausible strategies’ for next year’s presidential election.

But as they do this, there appears to be a major obstacle that needs to be cleared.

Nigerian Tribune can report authoritatively that both the presidency and the ruling party are worried about the chances of the PDP in the South-South zone, as each of the states in the zone is embroiled in one problem or the other ahead of the 2011 elections.

However, national chairman of the PDP, Dr Okwesilieze Nwodo, allayed the fears that the chances of the party were threatened in the south-south.

But according to the contents of a working document, a copy of which was exclusively obtained by the Nigerian Tribune from an impeccable source, an independent committee secretly working for Jonathan within the presidency had identified some areas of conflict in most states of the region, just as the document classified them as ‘slightly troubled’ and ‘very troubled.’

The committee equally reports directly to the president through one of his very close aides.

In the category of  the “very troubled” states are Bayelsa, Delta and Edo, while Rivers, Cross River and Akwa Ibom are branded as “slightly troubled” states.

For instance, the committee, in the case of both Bayelsa and Delta states, suggested an “all-embracing peace initiative” to avoid mass defection of members of the party to other political parties.

“In analysing the issues in each of the states in the region, it was discovered that the cause (s) of disaffection in each of the states were peculiar to one another; they are equally borne out of the desire of actors to have total control of the party.

“Based on our earlier submissions, a conclusion was easily reached that the issues in the cases of Akwa Ibom, Cross River and Rivers states are issues that are not totally out of hand as their governors appear to be in total control, not only of party apparatus, but they have equally enjoyed smooth relationship with major actors except in a few exceptional cases where some estranged personalities have different inclinations in ‘national politics,’ which, of course, are obvious to Your Excellency.

“The same may not be said of Bayelsa, Delta and Edo states, as the preponderance of too many bigwigs in the party is the collective cause of the unending conflicts in the states.

“But in the cases of Bayelsa and Delta states, an unpleasant trend may emerge from the conflicts. Unless urgent steps are taken to stop it, it is apparent that  many party big wigs are on the verge of leaving the PDP for other political parties in protest against their governors for reasons as contained in part three of the attached.

“It is, therefore, recommended that an all-embracing peace initiative is necessary in order to avoid the embarrassment of mass defection to other political parties at the point of governorship election in those states.”

But Nwodo, who spoke through his Special Assistant on Media Matters, Ike Abonyi, said there was nothing to fear as the elections drew nearer.

“I don’t think we need to worry ourselves because of the next general election; you are talking in terms of the real elections but we are only preparing for the party primaries.

“As far as we know, there is no candidate of the party until the primaries are conducted; as such, the question of PDP having sleepless nights because of pockets of avoidable clashes of interests in the South-South does not arise now.”

Meanwhile, the dwindling fortune of the PDP in the South-West zone has started sending jitters down the spines of the leadership of the party, President Goodluck Jonathan inclusive.

The PDP, in line with suggestions from President Jonathan has, however, started taking measures aimed at staving off the rampaging forays of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) into the zone.

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/13089-2011-presidency-pdp-troubled-over-partys-chances-in-south-south

Dawgpound:
*mchew* @ the fact that Biafra is always and only associated with the Igbo yet my father an Ogoni fought and paid the price for it. Have people forgotten about our own contributions? Anyway Nigeria was imposed on me as Ogoni while Biafra was a choice my family made to follow.

Biafra was not an Igbo thing. You may hear Igbos talking about it more because others have not stepped forward to claim their pride of place in that history. Most simply denied any role, while some claimed that Igbos forced them. We know the truth though and will never forget. No Biafran will ever forget those who fought in her defense. We ALWAYS CHERISH their bravery and tenacity in the face of almost insurmountable opposition. History has since vindicated us.
Your father is a hero.

ezeagu:
Okay, it's time for Biafra!

I'm laughing.

jason12345:
so what is the broader picture? that awolowo and the rest of the country (north and ijaws) killed biafran out of jealousy . pls explain to me the broader picture.

if it was about jealousy, don't you think the biafrans would have been wiped out what happened in rwanda was the definition of jealousy where a particular ethnic group was almost wiped out by the other.

i seriously doubt it was jealousy.  if it was, then the jealousy would still be practiced today and an igbo man would not be made a commissioner in Lagos. An igbo man would be discriminated against in SW and north and would not be allowed to have bussiness in sw and the north. infact, an igbo man would have not been in any position of power or authority!!!!!!!!

you cannot claim it was jealousy, you absolutely cannot claim that.

The bolded shows how NAIVE you are. The war ended on a no victor no vanquished basis. Above all, we are now Nigerians, but we are still testing out that Nigerianness. If for a second we think that we are not wanted in ANY part of Nigeria, guess what? Deja vous all over again.
So, it is not out of benevolence that we are in your land. You have NO CHOICE. It is Nigerian territory.

jason12345:
. you have serious issues!!!

it is talks that make me happy. atleast, you know you are nigerians .

and i am not a pretender, i am only stating the obvious

You used the word yourself.

Dude, I told you we don't care what you think about us. It is irrelevant. Our survival and ultimate vindication and victory over you is guaranteed. We are already doing it.   

Your statement shows you are really afraid of a Biafra more.

Don't worry, that MAY never happen again. It all depends.

jason12345:
you are the one that is not embracing peace.

i am not asking you to agree with my version of events instead appreciate how the yorubas see things as we yorubas have appreciated how the igbos see things.

you cannot expect the yorubas to see things in a different way. i was an invasion whether you were going for the "capital" or not.

you have to repect the occupants of a land no matter what you are doing.

about the peace thing, if the yorubas and hausas do not want peace then igbos will not be able to survive in SW and the north without discrimination

Dude are you serious?

You think Ndigbo are staying in SW and North because of the benevolence of Yoruba and Hausa people? Ol boy you must be smoking a very strong ganja!

Since after the war, Ndigbo have migrated out of Igbo land to escape economic strangulation imposed by Awolowo and Gowon. I don't know how much you understand the mindset of war survivors. They are TOUGH. So Igbo are in south west because IGBO want to be there, not because Yoruba welcomed them. The same with the north which occasionally attack us, and which we have learned to repel. Today if you try anything against us, we will fight you right there in your land and wage a looooooooong war IN YOUR LAND. The same with north. So, I want you to understand that part clearly.
You come here pretending to want to mend fences when in fact you are the same TYPICAL south westerner.

Like I told you before, Ndigbo are not interested in your schemes. We don't need it. We have ALREADY recovered from the war and are already dominating some sectors of the Nigerian economy -your worst fear. Learn to live with it.

Like Ojukwu told Igbo men in Kano, we are now Nigerians, entitled to live in and DOMINATE ANY part of Nigeria -your worst fear again.

If anyone dares attack us, we will show him that 2010 is 40 years away from 1970.

You fought to bring us back into Nigeria. WE ARE BACK!

By the way if I were that your Igbo friend, I'd watch my back.

jason12345:
no, i do not understand.

how can you say he brought the war to the "capital" of the country then , despite several warning from the "western regional leader".

lagos is like the "heart" of yoruba land and any war bought to that area would be deemed as a treat to the yoruba nation.

my brother, its like saying mend should bomb kano or kaduna and expect the northerners not to react or opc should bomb enugu and expect the igbos not to react.its not possible.

if ojukwu had conquered lagos, definitely, the whole southern nigeria would have been under his control and the yorubas would have been marginalised . you have to see that coming and you have to admit thats is what would have happened.

it might have not been the yoruba army but it was lead by yoruba generals (obj and adekule).

My friend, you see why I told you that you need to step aside and allow the issue of Igbo/Yoruba to be. 

We (Yoruba and Igbo) have an irreconcilable difference over it. Biafran forces were marching to seize the capital and end the war (yes win the war!). If the war happened today, they would march to ABUJA not Lagos.

What annoys Ndigbo most, is when Yorubas say that we declared war on them. We DID NOT. If we did, the war would have turned out differently. You do not invade your "enemy" territory by putting the same "invading force" under the command of a son of the territory you plan to subdue and dominate. That is why none of the commanders of the Nigerian divisions invading Biafra was Igbo.

Banjo was commanding the Biafran expeditionary force (BEF). If we wanted to invade Yoruba land, we would have put that force under an Igbo or Ijaw or Ibibio son.

The more you guys make this argument, the more convinced we become  that you are not sincere in your hope for peace.

jason12345:
MY PARENTS WOULD NEVER LIE . and i am not a kid. i know my parents. they would not lie to me for what reasons? so i can hate the igbos . never. they even have igbo friends themselves and the igbo friends have confirmed the story. even my "core" igbo friend confirm the story. he even told me," he regrets the day ojukwu invade the mid-west since they were neutrals.

my friend is even going to teach me igbo, they speak igbo in his house well. he wouldn't lie to me.

If they told you that Biafrans invaded LAGOS and KILLED YORUBAS, then, they ARE LYING.

jason12345:
apart from books, my parents told me that that is what happened. they were alive during the war and lived in lagos

justice CAN only be done with a united south. if not, its impossible to get justice in nigeria

You mean your parents told you that Igbos attacked Lagos? 
What type of parents would lie so brazenly to innocent kids?

Igbo parents never lie to their kids about the war. They tell us the truth because we need to know to survive in Nigeria. Moreover, some of Igbo commentators here bear the scar of the pogrom and civil war proper. My father was one of those survivors and a Biafran soldier. He never lies to me about what happened in Biafra. There is NO NEED to lie about it.

alj harem:

i rest my case
but onlytruth, am i lying abut igbos trying to degrade and belittle the south-south ppl in the politices
u know i am not lying
i love igbo, but i believe in freedom and respect for any ethnic group be it ijaw, itsekiri etc and i won't allow igbos to just swallow them up

You mean like the Hausa/Fulani/Kanuri is swallowing up groups like the Berom?

I pointed out to you that THROUGHOUT history, there has NEVER been tribal clashes between Ndigbo and our minority neighbors. That is partly why we (south east and south south) are mainly Christians (about 90%).
Whatever "swallowing up fears" you are peddling was first created by Gowon in creating the 12 states and ceding oil bearing Igbo lands to our neighbors just to manufacture that rift. It didn't happen. He instituted abandoned property to fuel that possible feud. It still didn't happen! It has never happened and will NEVER happen because we are not like YOU.
The East is really one. The oneness of the north is about to be tested a little in the coming elections.