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Also, to me, the talk of going to the ICC is only a tiny part of the remedy. In fact it is almost an infinitismal part. The bigger part is the question of shared values. I know that the Igbos and other easterners do not kill settlers and guests for instance. On the contrary, we protect them first in times of war or conflict because it is considered a very bad omen to target your guest. Your guest actually relies on you for security, So, to target them -women(some pregnant), children, old men and helpless fleeing folks is morally reprehensible, and Igbo culture abhor those. But, it was open season on the easterners in the north and some parts of the west. So, the big issue is whether Nigeria is not the biggest joke ever created by man.

And by objective view, I meant something as simple as admitting that the act of killing about 50,000 Igbos and other easterners even before the first shot was fired in the war, was an act of genocide. I don't care what triggered it. Something also triggered the Hutu massacre of the Tutsis in 1994. You keep justifying genocide.

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Sorry dude, but I haven't seen even a single Yoruba who took an objective view on the Biafran war issue. I have found Igbos who did so, but never a Yoruba. Show me one here on Nairaland.

olafolarin:
I read and watched the war documentary,did some courses(though introductory) on nigerian politics as a 9ja undergraduate(over a decade ago) and read some other war write-ups from different people.(Both on Biafra side and Fed Govt side)
From the little i know,the war would have been averted if Ojukwu believed in Nigeria's unity as a single whole country.
The price paid by the Nigerian nation for the war far outweighs the justifications for the war.

@olafolarin

Why did you feel compelled to respond to this post, especially when you admitted a lack of knowledge of the key things that led to the war? Ojukwu never wanted Nigeria to be divided. Some of the things he demanded was intended to stabilize Nigeria, and some of the same people who sabotaged his position then are now champions of the same things. This further confirms my belief that the Yoruba is not interested in the truth, because if they are, you wouldn't just post things without researching them first.

Thanks to:

Richyblack
Eziachi
Beaf
Pro anti
Dede1

Thanks for keeping the truth alive. Revisionists would do or say anything to exonerate the genociders. They come in many shapes and forms: fake sex, fake age or fake race or tribe. Don't be fooled one bit. The hermaphrodite going by the name SEAFAG is not a young person at all. He may even be one of the key players in the genocide or a paid agent. As these conversations continue, the genocide players/participants and their cheer leaders are getting more and more restless. So, have this fact at the back of your minds. We need to keep this conversion going. Our people need to know the truth about the country they claim. The beauty of these discussions is that the real young people can actually learn about Nigeria. They need to learn the truth about the country's latent murderous proclivity.
You can all see that the SEAFAG idiot is desperately trying to derail this thread. Don't let it.

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No, I don't know. Can you please tell me.

So, for me, the bottomline remains that the foundations of the Nigerian nation is seriously flawed and baseless.

I don't want to forget my dead brothers and sisters, ever, because they fought for things higher than the fake things (rebranding for instance) which current leaders are peddling. They took a position, even in the face of HUGE ODDS, they decided to stand for something true, something real, something I can relate with, stuff great nations are made of.
No amount of revisionism can change that, and I will continue to invite young Igbo and other easterners to join this conversation. They hold powerful lessons!

@ revomind
You've only posted 9 times and from the nairaland conventional wisdom, you are just one of those genocide deniers with a new username. No amount of changing your username can change that, and I'm not concerned about that.
I, and many Easterners are learning priceless lessons from these conversations. It is the type of dialogue that should have preceded the formation of the Nigerian federation. I don't blame the youngsters here (including the fake ones), I blame the irresponsibility of our people, which made possible the creation of a nation of strange bedfellows. For surely I, as Igbo, share nothing with you fundamentally. Other than skin color, we share nothing!

Like I said in another thread, Nigeria is not the first nation to fight a civil war and will not be the last. If all the other nations committed the same level of genocide against their people in the name of unity, and turned around to sweep that history under the carpet, none could have progressed an inch. And Nigeria has not progressed and will not progress until this type of dialogue is concluded.

Why should I, or any Igbo fight to protect anything Nigerian today? I almost never existed, talk less of being Nigerian! This is a question that should have been answered before the Nigerian nation was formed. The question even assumes more serious relevance  today in light of the lack of qualms among the progenitors of the most heinous crimes against humanity. If, because I want to go my separate way, my so-called compatriots plan to wipe me out, how does that make me feel toward such a nation? Moreso, if I feel that I am a prisoner in my fathers land, isn't it my bounden duty to tier down the walls of that prison?

I laughed when you said that Biafrans could have committed the same crimes if able. This shows your level of ignorance of the cultures of the peoples of Biafra. There has never been genocidal wars anywhere in the East that I know of. The Fulani Jihadists never made it to the Eastern heartlands in their days, and the Yoruba Oyo empire never passed Benin. In the brief occupation of midwest by Biafran forces, how many tens of thousands did they kill?

@SEA gay

And while you are getting ready for the days of hunger ahead, may you and your mother, sisters and daughters be raped my 10,000 lepers.
IDIOT!

SEFAGO:
What is gender but a biological classification? what does it mean to be of a certain tribe? I am aware that people are different, but i dont see those differences as irreconcilable.

You mean there is no difference between a NAZI and a Jew, right?

man a bunch of dumb cows. You are talking of the UN charter of the right to self-determination issued after WW1. THis is not the same as the right to secede.   It only becomes the right to secede when fundamental basic human rights are no longer guaranteed i.e when it is definitely a genocide. SInce the biafran war was never proven to be a genocide in which the western governments and the north governments intentionally targeted and made attempts to exterminate people then it is not a genocide. just because u read something online for 5 minutes does not in anyways mean you have knowledge mate. Go back, sit down, think, and maybe wait a few year b4 u confront me.
NIgeria has failed right  , so what is your alternative- biafra  . I swear if this idiot is in lagos typing on a computer i hop sango strikes you 

IDIOT! You can't even make a coherent argument! Self determination minus secession  You think oyibo people are fools like your fathers?
Your worst nightmare is happening already. By 2015 you will have to stay on your own! I dey Lagos and even your fake gods will face my judgement
on that day. A man who claims a female profile is a female by self recognition! Nne Ewu!

Whenever someone cannot own up to something as simple as self identity: sex, age, race/tribe, or national origin he/she usually has something to hide.

SEAFROG here yaps like a young boy but claim to be a girl/lady in his user profile. No woman ( even the mother of all harlots) would rationalize or justify a mass rape, or the starving of innocent children. So, by his logic of "all is fair in war" (which makes a complete nonsense of the Geneva Conventions of War -1949), he demonstrated a profound foolery. Like someone said earlier, the war has not ended at all. Not by a long shot! 

He also wondered whether Biafra could have fared better. Well, Nigeria has clearly failed, even the birds know. He also didn't even know that the right to secede is a UN recognized right and is in line with international law.

I am not his teacher though. He should wait to be educated the right way, when the war gets to his house. Igbos have since moved on and surpassed the genociders in all sectors of human development (except perhaps in looting the Nigerian treasury!). So, any Igbo still dreaming of a united Nigeria should think of people like SEAFROG. While thinking about our dead brothers and sisters, we should be well advised that the killers are still on the loose!

Afam:
Ojukwu clearly demonstrated that the problem can be tackled by the people of Anambra and not the typical buck passing that some of our brothers do where they will put every single blame on foreigners instead of addressing the core issues and holding the people responsible for the problems accountable for their actions.

Afam, I'm taking it easy with you because you are my brother and I can only assume that you see things differently, which is fine. We are Igbos and freedom of opinion is our gift to the world.
But, I wonder how you can't seem to find the nexus between Uba's rogue activities in Anambra state and outside influence. I hope you realize that your prescription can actually be a snare for leading figures in Anambra state ( and I suspect Igboland). If Ojukwu had tackled Uba directly, can you envisage the outcome? It would then be interpreted as another Anambra internal political affair. With heavy Federal support, do you think Uba will back down? So, Ojukwu, as our beloved leader and sage confronted the source of the problem directly and everyone is celebrating today.

Anyi nwere ebu, nwe nfu - (we have both sides of the peace spectrum). We have God and we have Satan as well. Unfortunately, in this world, people don't fear God, they fear Satan!

The evil day averted. The Ikemba saves Igboland again from wolves!

Ngwuta maintained that Uba’s argument that he was governor in waiting since no tribunal or court nullified his election, does not hold water since, according to him, the court or tribunal cannot nullify what does not exist. He wondered where Uba got the governor-in-waiting appellation.

“The April 14 2007 election is a nullity ab-initio, it is an indisputable fact that the election was conducted outside the law. The election is nullity, there is no need for court to set it aside, it does not exist in law. A court does not act in vein, so there is no need setting aside what does not exist.

“The seat of power in Anambra State is not a hereditary stool, it is only through due process as prescribed by the electoral act and the constitution can somebody be elected to occupy that seat. The election that brought Uba was an illegal act and nobody demands right or relief on illegal act. Accordingly reliefs 1 to 4 are hereby dismissed and consequently the application is dismissed. Each party should bear its cost,” he ruled.

There's only one view relevant in these types of situations. Only one voice is necessary and it has been heard. It is the voice of the great Ikemba!

Again, why the judges chickened out:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-347989.0.html

Here is the source:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/11/13/breaking-news-appeal-court-throws-out-andy-ubas-suit-to-rule-after-obi/

Can anyone remind readers how many mobile police men accompany Chris Uba these days. Please brings facts. I would gracefully withdraw my accusation if it turns out that he has no police escort. Did the FG withdraw his escort? And don't give me that bullcrap about him being a political figure needing escort. Let him go without FG security, and let's see whether he won't be kidnapped.
Two or three kidnappings along the line and Chris Uba will become history. Let him hustle for his security like the rest of us. Let's see how he finds the freedom or space to play god.

babapupa:
Utter Juvenile talk,


I'll pass,

Pass on ol' papa.

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Let's theorize a little. Imagine a scenario where the federal government decides to send the security agents after Chris Uba. How long do you think this mess will continue? Frankly speaking. However, I assure you that it will never happen because the FG needs him for bigger things in the east. I don't need to convince you though. How can a lion ever exculpate an antelope? Never happens!

lol!

@babapupa
I expected nothing less from you. Same mindless accusations. Hear yourself,

"What's PDP got to do with anything?
This is just an excuse. You fight for your own soul and destiny regardless of political affiliation and differences. Lagos did it and refused to buckle under pressure and financial starvation for 8 horrible years and the PDP blinked first."

So, you think Anambra state is at liberty to fight like Lagos without someone scheming another genocide?

My friend let me tell you, Anambra state has only one problem -THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF NIGERIA. Achebe pretty much said so.
The weapon of choice against the state? CHRIS UBA and his gang.
For once I agree with Becomrich. We need state police now! Let's see how a Chris Uba can survive in an environment where the State Governor is actually maintaining law and order as the Chief Security Officer.

The other solution is to remove Chris Uba and the PDP into Benin Republic!

naijaking1:
I was just going to say the same. Not just Yorubas, but the Tivs, and Angas like Gowon on whose back the war was fought, only to be reduced to second class citizens in their own home states of Plateau/Nassarawa/and Benue. Let them dare try displaying their christian religion outside "designated areas" of the north and see what happens to them. In the east, people like Ken Saro Wiwa would rest in peace, because he made amends of his foolishness just before "they" took him out.

You are right about that. I however think that a Yoruba floodgate may precipitate others including from the northern minorities. It may also happen the other way round, who knows? But it will surely happen.

mekusxxx:
Lt-Gen. Akinrinade said the post-civil war Nigeria was not a country of his dream.
The former Minister of Agriculture warned that the country risked imminent disintegration "unless true federalism is practised."

was witnessed by former Governor Bisi Akande of Osun State, Dr Amos Akingba, Hon. Wale Oshun, Mrs. Jumoke Anifowose, Mr. Tokunbo Ajasin, Mr. Bisi Adegbuyi, Pa Adedapo Adeniran, Mr. Sam Ayedogbon, Mr. George Eke, Shettima Yerima and Mr. Yinka Odumakin.

Lt-Gen Akinrinade and other speakers rejected the 1999 Constitution, saying it was foisted on the country by the military.

Paraphrased: This country of my nightmare must disintegrate unless it is restructured to reflect reality.

This confession is only a trickle, I expect a floodgate from other Yoruba civil war players soon. Truth is indomitable and immutable! Hate is not enough reasons to go to war, because you could be fighting against your own interest. A word is enough for the wise.

The truth is that most of the enthusiastic anti-Biafran elements on the Nigerian side of the war never really understood what they were fighting for. Most were driven by anti-Igbo sentiments. Others were simply decieved. The unfortunate thing is that some of the deceived ones are still blinded by that deceit (some N.deltans for example).  If not for the "education" I have received from nairaland, I still wouldn't have been able to understand why the Yoruba, for instance, fought Biafra. We were supposed to be all "southerners", right? At least I did my NYSC at the heart of Yorubaland, and while at it, I never knew what I know now. Bottomline is that the truth will continue to hound all who fought Biafra until they expiate.
I salute the man's courage though. It takes courage to stare truth in the face. Most Nigerians are cowards.

Ikengawo:
2. Igbos believe in merit. We believe every man is born equal until, later in life, they MAKE themselves superior. We, because we believe everyone starts at the same finish line have an heroic optimism about life. Every igbo child believes he can be president. Why not? If an igbo child is falling behind expectation his seniors will often say "your mates are doing _______ while you're here doing ____________". We don't believe one person is born better then another and nothing is out of our reach. Therefore if we see a billionaire we will aim to be a trillionaire.

3. Igbos believe in freedom. We, in our culture have no overlord like institutions like a monarch or a nation. We therefore don't 'do' nationalism. All attempts to incorporate us in a nation in everyone else's definition of what a nation is often fails. We were to most rebellious, by far, during colonialism. Slave narratives show that traders didn't want igbo male slaves cause they had the highest chance of jumping ship, rioting, suicide, or mutiny. We don't like the concept of being ruled or controlled. At the same time we dont aim to rule or control others. [size=14pt]We believe that every man is born free and must die that way, that there is man and God and no power in between.[/size] It's because of this that igbos are democratic. We believe when an issue arises that everyone should have a say.

Onye kwe, chi ya ekwe (We dictate to our gods, not the other way round)! Classic.