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@KnowAll
How does a Nigerian youth move on when nothing is working We can't even generate electricity! We can't organize a reasonably fair election. We can't even have security in our homes. The youths can't even go to school and stay there. Meanwhile billions of dollars are exchanging hands yearly. People like me are driven by what I saw in the two and half years governorship of Chris Ngige in Anambra state. In those short years, I came to see that it is possibe for my corner of the world to be built to first world standards in under ten years! But guess what, I cannot even vote him in again because someone in Abuja is desperate to impose a candidate on us. We can't even choose our leaders! So, if that be the case, pray how can I "move on"? Those are the things that destroy Nigeria, not Biafran agitators.

KnowAll:
@ Afam
Goes to all the people that find it supremely difficult to make any logical contribution on this topic but would rather introduce diversions and irrelevant comments and lies just to make us take our eyes off the core issues.

Why do u like dig yourself into a big hole just opening your big gob anyhow, I thought I have dealt with u, that reply by your compatriot is the most illogical statement I have ever come across " that Biafra and Ojukwu " are not inter connected or inter-related can u please supply me with any Biafra thread that has not got that man's name enmeshed in it.

It is like seperating a tortoise or a snail from its shell. If Ojukwu has moved on, u depleted soldiers I urge u guys move on with your lives.

@KnowAll

Can you define "move on" please?
By moving on, do you mean participating in the roguery called democracy "Nigerian style"? Does it mean sweeping everything under the carpet? And you still wonder why Nigeria has only moved in cirlces since 1970? I really pity the inhabitants of the Nigerian space. In your own view, Biafra was about nothing, right? It was all about the ego of one man, right? If that is the case, why can't Nigeria organize even a party primary for a gubernatorial election today (40 years after the war)?
Ol'boy, don't worry about the Biafran agitators! They are only getting ready to pick up the pieces of their lives once Nigeria dies in the midst of its own contradictions. Like ezeagu said, Biafra was never really about Ojukwu, which is why you have young Igbo men carrying the flag today. Nigeria needs to sort herself out. Sweeping things under the carpet don't work!
Even key actors on the Nigerian side know what to do today and Nigeria's foundation would be solidified. The main question is, would they do those things? So, this is not about Biafra. This is about Nigeria.

@KnowAll

Point of correction, Nnewi never fell to any Nigerian troops until Biafra surrendered. No Nigerian soldier ever set foot on Nnewi during the war. The "Generalissimo" protected the town well.
You contradict yourself when you say that Ojukwu accepts Nigeria the way it is. What do you expect an old man like him to do now? When he was younger, he stood for something higher than himself, risking his fathers wealth to fight for the dignity of his people. For standing up to the cancer that would eventually arrest Nigeria for 42 years, a carefully orchestrated genocide was committed against our people. Ojukwu has paid his dues, it is time younger generation takes over the struggle and we have not disappointed so far. MASSOB under Uwazuruike is not doing badly! When our Generalissimo eventually joins his ancestors, he would know that 2 million Biafrans never died in vain.
My Generalissimo was always smiling to the bank from birth! He was born into wealth. His father was a millionaire in pound sterling in 1950s! Go figure.

You are right on one point: Nigeria needs to address the reasons for which Biafra fought the war. If not, we would still be arrested for another 42 years. Nigeria is not the only country to ever fight a civil war. Smarter countries always addressed the reasons behind their wars to the satisfaction of the separatist protagonists. Nigeria simply swept hers under the carpet!

ndu_chucks:
na for where i claim any tribe? i don tell you make you just ignore my post if you no like de tings wey i dey talk. e dey uncivilized to reign curses and abuses on people wey disagree with you. go start ya own biafra only website for extremists wey share every view wey you get. i no go stoop as low as you, to respond to you in kind.

Are you Igbo? If not (which you are not), then stop this your Igbo name masquerading idiocy. Else more curses and verbal imprecations are heading your way! I have never seen a civilized masquerade before. Finesse and polish starts with owning up your identity. If you are intimidated by your tribal origin, why abuse and insult one of the greatest tribes on the African continent?
I'm not abusing those who disagree with me. I'm only responding to abuses from morons. DROP YOUR IGBO MASK and MOVE ON!

ndu_chucks:
stop looking at everything through tribal lenses. if you no get any ting to add den keep quiet. no body force you to read any ting i post, if e dey bother you dat much, anytime you see my screen name, no read de post.

na de kind attitude wey you dey exhibit here dey kill una finish. why must everyone in de same tribe think alike? na only fools and tribalists go expect dat. i know say una no believe in democracy, unfortunately, no be you get dis site. you for don ban everyone wey no claim to be igbo from here. ewu can beer.

Anuofia!
Why are you claiming a tribe that is not yours? If you hate Igbo so much, why go by Igbo screen name?
Afo sagbukwaa nne gi! Since you claim to be Igbo, you would understand. Ike nsi!
You better get off our case, since you hate us so much!

ndu_chucks:
de above be typical whining of a sore loser. you go fight war, dem defeat you, den you dey cry.

your cry dey like person wey go battle field with pen knife; enemy go borrow cutlass from him friend,  enemy come take cutlass cut ya hand wey you take hold pen knife; and you come dey claim say, if to say ya enemy no use dat cutlass you for defeat am!!

what a ridiculously stupid statement! na only fools dey fight fair war! de time wey usa go invade iraq, dem carry british, italians, and several other nationals go there.  i guess from the warped logic above, iraq for defeat usa if to say help no come from other countries.

apologies to igbo people wey dey reasonable.  war na bad ting and we no need any battle cries for war again.


my question to reasonable igbo people be dis: una still wan secceed? una still wan create biafra, even after ojukwu and all of una leaders don espouse nigeria as their nation?

Why is this idiot "ndu_chucks " still going by Igbo name here Why can't you simply change your name to your real tribal name and be straight for once! Are you that ashamed of your tribe but you are obsessed with Igbo. Idiot!

Aloy~Emeka:
OKO-OBO- meji

Accurate nomenclature!

For me, Nairaland is unparalled. There is simply no basis for comparison. Nairaland makes real impact on our lives because we discuss real issues concerning us here. People are true to themselves here which helps us understand our country more. People are simply pretending on facebook.
If there is a way to drag every Nigerian official to this site I would do it. It is the best education resource on Nigerian issues. If you want to know Nigerians, simply visit here. Warts and all I prefer Nairaland!

pcicero:
It is rather pathetic that you guys are still sulking after more than 40 years. Didn't the Amercians fight a Civil War? You Igbo bigots, apology to the reasonable ones, would always look for someone to blame for your woes. And whose account are you relying on?
Ojukwu personal historian or what ? To be modest, I know a little about history and i can say that every one of us would give a different version of the same event that we witnessed. It might be deliberate distortion or erroneous misrepresentation of facts.
what would the Gowons, the Adebayos, the Katsinas have said about the same event?
Was your Azikwe not hobnobbing with Balewa while Awolowo was langushing in jail?
Stop ascribing perfection to your tribe and start looking for ways to fully integrate yourselves. I am tired of reading all these sanctimonious diatribes.

It is official, you are a certified slowpoke!
We survived your genocide (weapons of mass starvation). Americans never committed genocide against fellow Americans in the name of a civil war.
You want us to forget our 2 million dead (who had no reason to die), and you have the guts to ask us to forget after just 40 years. World war II war criminals are still being sought and brought to justice. Here's your badge!

SapeleGuy:
The amnesty to which i think you refer is baseless. Nobody has the power to grant an amnesty without a conviction. So we already know the deal is bogus. I fully expect it to be broken

It has no grounding or backing from the constitution.

The Second point is that MEND have not signed up to this amnesty because they fully expect it to be broken.

@SapeleGuy
Thanks for finally coming around to the same conclusion. However, the core issue behind my question remain unaddressed.
To get to that issue I would reframe the question this way : How can Nigeria solve the national question without war if peaceful methods such as agreements are not possible? Is rational and dialogue-based solution possible in an environment of military siege? By military siege I mean the "I have the bigger gun and you can't do anything" scenario.
The answer to these questions is critical.

@SapeleGuy

What if the FG shreds the agreement with MEND and go ahead to wipe out the delta for oil to flow? Who can force the FG to abide by the agreement? A nation that does not honor simple agreements is a dying nation.

SapeleGuy:
Negro_ntns Thank you for your answer.

Onlytruth - I don't think you are both saying the same thing, the aburi conference was a good idea but flawed due to poor execution. It was an unenforceable agreement and not worth the paper it was written on.

@SapeleGuy

I don't know what you read into my first post about the legal grounds of Aburi. I never said it was an international agreement. There was no Biafra then, remember? It was an Accord between the East and the rest of Nigeria. The only way to enforce it was for all to continue in the spirit it was signed -solving the national question = peace and unity. The Accord was not honored (an unpatriotic act as history has shown) and that led to Biafra and the war. Aburi according to you was "not worth the paper on which it was signed" (however you came to that conclusion). For me and other Easterners, a national problem was aggravated. 42 years down the line, we are still saddled with the same problem.

So, time for you to answer my own question: How can any rational person or group sign an agreement with the Federal government of Nigeria in the future, bearing this history in mind? Why should MEND for instance sign and believe in an agreement with the government if (according to your logic, they cannot enforce it)?

Negro_Ntns:
Good question and I admire your approach.

Let's begin with the intent and the contingencies. The international supervision was a default occurrence, made so by the location of the event. If the accord had taken place on Nigerian soil there would not have been an international supervision. So the supervision was not parceled into the objective and neither was it demanded but its consequential entry and intervention in the accord was more of a diplomatic obligation and not an initiated action for conflict resolution. The resolution was initiated, negotiated and concluded by the domestic parties involved. Hence this nullifies the need for a treaty, although a draft MoU could have assisted the cause.

Now having said that. . .if this conference had occurred post- a successful BIAFRAN secession, then this could not in anyway be classified as a domestic dispute and would have more than likely ended up as a treaty, with possibilities of legal action at the ICJ.

Thanks for the further clarification. We are really saying the same thing: It was an agreement signed by Nigerians for Nigerians though witnessed by a friend of Nigeria -Ghana. This was not an International agreement. That is why I said that the intended enforcer was the "patriotic will of Nigerians" who signed it. It was supposed to answer the national question raised by the preceding bloodbath and feelings of alienation or inequality in the Nigerian inter-regional relations. The war followed because Gowon failed to honor it and instead went ahead to create states in the East which was intended to cheat the East by creating disunity. Either way you look at it, Biafra was created to keep the East united in defense of Eastern interests. It is unfortunate that some Easterners didn't understand the stakes and decided to sabotage their own interests. I really believe that Biafra could have defended Eastern interests better because there was enough human resources (population and human ingenuity) to fight in defense of the East. People like Asari Dokubo has come to that realization lately.

SapeleGuy:
"O buru na agbaghi uzo owelle mgba, na o naghi echi."

I ask again, what was the status of this Aburi conference?

-A legally binding treaty

or

-A memorandum of understanding

@SapeleGuy, I hate quoting Wikipedia, but I would do so for now:


"In international relations, MoUs fall under the broad category of treaties and should be registered in the United Nations treaty database[1]. In practice and in spite of the United Nations' Legal Section insistence that registration be done to avoid 'secret diplomacy,' MOUs are sometimes kept confidential. As a matter of law, the title of MoU does not necessarily mean the document is binding or not binding under international law. To determine whether or not a particular MoU is meant to be a legally binding document (i.e. a treaty), one needs to examine the intent of the parties and well as the position of the signatories (e.g. Minister of Foreign Affairs vs Minister of Environment). A careful analysis of the wording will also clarify the exact nature of the document. The International Court of Justice has provided some insight into the determination of the legal status of a document in the landmark case of Qatar v. Bahrain, 1 July 1994."
-Source Wikipedia[b][/b]

My understanding of the Aburi document is that is a product of a "quasi-legislative" body (in this case the Supreme Military Council of Nigeria). The wierd nature of the Accord however is evident by the fact that it was signed under an international supervision. For me, the power of enforcement should have been rendered unnecessary by the fact that lack of its enforcement  could and indeed did threaten the corporate existence of Nigeria. Patriotism was in fact the de facto enforcer of this Accord. So, when it was reneged, Igbos and Easterners felt there was no shared values or intrerests. A truly patriotic Nigerian leader would have honored that Accord. If Ojukwu could accept Gowon as leader in the interest of peace, why didn't Gowon reciprocate Ojukwu's jesture by honoring an Accord that would have saved Nigeria

@JProspero

Again his real intention is to derail the thread from Aburi minutes to Igbo territory(or to whatever his devious intents are), but don't fall for that! He is one of the thread derailers. Let's stay on Aburi and what it meant for the nations within Nigeria.

@JProspero
Ok bros, here comes your first lesson on politics 101 Nairaland style. Read the quote below and tell me whether the author is Igbo, Hausa or Yoruba:

ndu_chucks:
oh boy, you mention igboland for ya comment there. I hope say de igboland wey dey ya mind no be de same eastern region of old. additionally, i hope say you no dey include niger delta inside dat ya igboland. you sabi say una no help these people fight: isaac boro, wiwa, mend, and others wey dey fight for niger delta.

abeg tell us, niger delta dey included in dis ya igboland at all? no try run from my question, na very important one. people like me and Sapeleguy go like to hear ya answer.

I know you guessed something like -he is a "detribalised Igbo"- but WRONG! He is infact Hausa! He admitted much himself in an earlier exchange.He claimed he reserved the right to go by any username! He didn't see anything wrong with being Hausa but going by Igbo name here on political forum of NL. Pray did Carnegie think of folks like that? An Average American would tell you his real racial or ethnic background and still make his point. A Nigerian feels he must always cheat to gain the upper hand, it doesn't matter that his "upper hand" could ruin the nation. It happened at Aburi where Nigerians signed an internationally supervised agreement when in fact some signatories had no intention of honoring it.
I wouldn't discuss Igbo territories with a fellow Igbo would you? He should know, right? Since he is Hausa, why should I discuss my territory with him

SapeleGuy:
Drop the persecution complex, it makes you come across as vulnerable. I have always maintained that greed and ambition were the reasons for the massive and regrettable loss of life. 
Read between the lines, if i am asking you to restrategise, it is so you should come back stronger. Let me ask you a question from Achebe's Things Fall Apart - Should Okonkwo have killed Ikemefuna? What have you actually learned from these experiences?

Forget these scraps of papers for a second. The failure to cultivate and maintain allies was a key reason the effort failed. That my dear friend is the height of idiocy. Boro started a struggle before biafra why didn't you back it and make him an ally?

The Mid West fought politically to establish a region in 1963, would the Eastern region have allowed Rivers and Calabar to follow suit?

Every struggle needs allies, who were yours then and who are they now?

Look, I am really only interested in what happened in times of Nigeria's sanity than what happened in times of madness. The times of sanity were times like Aburi. I am interested in them more because I hope that the solution to our problems would come through dialogue (I could be wrong). Some have lied that Nigeria cannot organize a peaceful conference where all would be tabled. History teaches us that we can (albeit on foreign soil). We did it before! So, all I have to do now is to understand every geopolitical interests and decide how best to secure mine. The mistake of my ancestors was to love Nigeria more than Igboland and I'm determined not to repeat that. Nigeria is not yet a country because of lack of shared values. How can I cultivate allies when they are either jealous or suspicious of me even when the real enemy wrecks the would-be allies? How can I ally with someone with feelings that lack rational groundings? So, I am my own ally. All my allies in the past betrayed me!

JProspero:
I am an Igbo man. Some great points have been made here but I hate it when people use insulting words on others, no matter the provocation. Obama countered every lie peddled against him swiftly and firmly without insulting the racists and bigots that peddled them, even the most vicious lie. That was what made him different from those racists and haters and made him appealing and respected. You can never win a person over with words like “slowpoke, stupid, idiot, etc.” Ask Dale Carnegie (author of How to Win Friends and Influence People.)

Welcome to Nairaland! I see you've only posted a few times. Thanks for your attempts at sanitising the discourse, though I would warn you to brace up! We all started out here with civility. I would advise you to stick around and engage in deep conversations with other members on core issues bedevilling Nigeria. You would soon realize that Nigeria is not America -by a long shot!. Personally, I always try to be civil because doing otherwise derails my point and I hate it. There are professional thread derailers here and their job is to insult, lie, accuse, offend, deviate the point, and completely degrade fellow debaters, all to sow or sustain a lie. I can assure you that even an Obama can't withstand some characters here. Carnegie was not talking about Nigerians!
Americans are open to logic and common sense which is why they have a functioning system of government. Nigerians aren't like that. They care about other things more.
So welcome again, and be fully engaged. Don't be a touch-and-go poster.  Let's see how long you retain your civility!

I thought MEND surrendered the other day. I took the pictures myself

SapeleGuy:
The sacking of the 1st republic was a triumph for greed and the naked ambition of a few soldiers. It is most unfortunate that you have decided to turn a blind eye to this and blame ethnicity which was a symptom and not the cause of the problem. 

Your tactics are akin to constantly banging your head against a brick wall in the hope that you will become resilient to the pain. Try something new or you will knock yourself out for good.

Review your tactics and strategy. To hang on to a document that never saw the light of day is sad indictment of your generation. Ask yourself honestly what you can  do differently and then take action. 

I don't know of any rational human that would plan for the future without thinking about the past. That would be pure lunacy irrationality. So, you want us to simply forget about the past and focus on the future and simply throw or wish away the past 
How can I review my strategy without exhaustively researching and unearthing everything that went wrong with the last strategy? To you it might seem like "banging heads on the wall". To me it is called poking around and testing my hypothesis. When I take a position after that, it would be based on solid grounded set of facts. I suspect Ojukwu did the same in 1967, which is why we are still saddled with the 1967 issues today.
So don't expect me to take your advise anytime soon. Not if I really want to succeed in my next strategy!

SapeleGuy:
The sacking of the 1st republic was a triumph for greed and the naked ambition of a few soldiers. It is most unfortunate that you have decided to turn a blind eye to this and blame ethnicity which was a symptom and not the cause of the problem.  

Your tactics are akin to constantly banging your head against a brick wall in the hope that you will become resilient to the pain. Try something new or you will knock yourself out for good.

Review your tactics and strategy. To hang on to a document that never saw the light of day is sad indictment of your generation. Ask yourself honestly what you can  do differently and then take action.

@Sapeleguy
You know, I'm enjoying this conversation with you because Igbos need to know what's up and align accordingly in case of future events. Believe me when I tell you that there is no way we lose in the future because of the abudant lessons of the past (Aburi for instance). So, keep trying to deflect our focus from that past, it won't work. There was a time when a certain Major Gideon Orkar, Umukoro, Chief Great Ogboru and other midwesterners plotted to excise (expel) the northern part of Nigeria from the country. Babangida was lucky to escape, (his house at Dodan barracks was levelled and his ADC killed) but others weren't so lucky. If not for a certain Brigadier Ike Nwachukwu who was the G.O.C of the 1st Mechanised division Kaduna, who knows how many northerners would have died in the ensuing bloodbath. Nobody went on a killing spree of Edo or Delta people because of the failed coup. Ogboru, Mukoro and the rest acted out what they felt was ideal. Ogboru is alive today and even contested for governor in Delta state! Before their coup, they never consulted mid-westerners, but we all understood.
For you and your type to come here trying to blackmail Igbos for what they never plotted, and even helped foil is the height of hate. My message is not for your type. It is for Igbos who are still living in Neverland. Today your people are up in arms fighting for the same thing they were offered free. Out of hate and idiocy, they connived to kill it. You better go and advise your MEND to forget about your resource control. It is too late in the day!

IYA NGBALI:
CLEAN TOTOS ARE NOW VERY EXPENSIVE


What more do you still want me to tell you?abeg me i want to check out of the country,so pls advice me which country is the best place for me to go and spend the rest of life?{no thanks to our so called leaders}

Chei 

I now see your biggest concern! I go die o!

SapeleGuy:
Suggest the way forward? That one go hard, you mean you want people to look forward and not back? or
provide solutions instead of pointing the finger of blame at others. Please lead the way.

@Sapeleguy
Sarcasm would not help your case, so please make your point!  I make bold to state that only Igbos and their Eastern neighbors have ever really questioned Nigeria's unjust and unsustainable set up. Anytime someone comes here to say people are just pointing fingers, it exposes their mischief. People whom you accuse of pointing fingers lost 2 million innocents in an" unjust war" (according to Awolowo). They took a position in 1967 that could have saved the nation from a 42 years in the wilderness. Heck after all these years we are still saying what we said in 1967 and yet people like you are not listening! Anyone who claims Igbos are simply pointing fingers at others is just deliberately provoking Igbos. So, I hope you realize what you are doing. You won't let us leave Nigeria; you (Nigeria) won't accomodate our views (including those that historically would have saved your people from unjust exploitation); you (Nigeria) won't even allow us to choose our leaders and keep disrupting MASSOB and other peaceful Biafran agitators. You want to continue business as usual but we are tired. We've been tired since 1967!
We are NOT POINTING FINGERS! We want progress or we want out! We can't keep lying to our children that the future is bright when Nigeria can't even generate 2000 megawatts of electricity or refine petroleum. The day we get Biafra is the day we (Igbos and Biafrans) will all de-activate our accounts in Nairaland and leave you alone. For now you have to live with us and our "whinning".

The more I look at this Aburi conference the more I become convinced that it is the single most important development in the post independent Nigerian history. It was a watershed because that was when the Nigerian nation was really negotiated. I would even go as far as saying that this conference was more credible than the pre-independence conferences because there were no colonialists in attendance. It was an all Nigerian affair. It tested the character of the Nigerian nation to determine whether there was any real basis for oneness. When free signatories reneged on it because they felt they had military support, they killed the Nigerian nation and gave birth to Biafra and the war. To this date, a lot of Easterners still feel that they only lost a war, and that their nation of Biafra is well and alive. It takes more than winning a war to kill a nation. A nation is one founded on shared beliefs and ideals. It is obvious that Easterners (particularly Igbos) would never accept a warped method of leadership selection(never mind the PDP games in Anambra State!). Igbos believe in merit -short and simple! Rogues and renegedes hijacked Nigeria's leadership in 1966. That is why we don't have electricity today.

Duduknight:
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I schooled in the east and I have many igbo friends and Nzeogwu was my military hero as a young man. The coup might have succeeded if Ifeajuna executed his part of the plan like Nzeogwu. As much as I loved Nzeogwu, him and the other coupists must be held responsible for starting it all because they drew the first blood.

I have said this before, whenever someone starts off by saying they are friends of the Igbo people before making their points, I become suspicious immediately. Why can't you discuss Aburi without drawing Nzeogwu -"a Nigeria can be redeemed through revolution dreamer" -into it. Like Afam pointed out, the Eastern leader at the conference, as well as the dead Ironsi helped foil Nzeogwu's coup. Couldn't that mean anything? Couldn't it mean anything that Awolowo was not killed in the Eastern jail? Why wasn't he killed?
I would concede one point to you: the Igbo are very good at making friends with people who would sell them and stab them in the back. We are unrivalled in that department. That is why Awolowo was spared and released in the East only for him to advocate mass starvation of innocent women and children. Just like you now, a "I schooled in the east" type.

Now for those beating war drums, a few facts:
1. In the months leading to the war, Yoruba officers kept quiet and acted like peacemakers. They were also outnumbered in the military in those days by Igbo and Northern officers.
2. Both Ojukwu and his opponents (Murtala, Danjuma) were all mouthing off about finishing each other on the battlefield. It was all mount because without Adekunle and Obasanjo, they would have fought forever. It is on record that the division under Murtala did not gain any ground into the east during the war. The war was worn with Adekunle's Marine commando.
3. The only Biafran success in the war, was the defeat of Federal forces in the Mid-west and the advance to Lagos which was halted at Ore. The commander of that unit was Ayo Banjo.
4. [b]The east lost the war[/b]5. Ojukwu fled for all his intelligence and oratory. Effiong surrendered to Obasanjo.

You are more interested in the fact that Igbos lost the war and paid in blood and humiliation, than in what led to the war. That tells me that I cannot trust you to be truthful on this topic.

War or secession is not the answer. The answer lies within us all.
Please only intelligent and factual replies.

An uninitiated reader would believe that you are honest in seeking a way forward here but you are not. Summary of all you've said goes more like this:
I was wrong but I was more armed than you. Live with it 'cos you don't have a choice; might is right!

With that line of reasoning my friend, be assured that we don't have a nation in that space. If there is a nation at all, her name is Biafra in the East of Nigeria.

@Duduknight

Believe me I am an addict to the truth! I don't care if I'm found to be wrong - far from it! I seek truth fearlessly, and in today's Nigeria, I advise all to stop the nonsense of trying to sell lies, 'cos it simply won't work!
Well, at least you acknowledge that Ogundipe had some soldiers under his direct command who could have stood by him if he stood his ground. The final truth is that he didn't! Some of those who were challenging the incongrous and ludicrous change in command probably had less troops under their command, yet they stood for the maintenance of the chain, knowing that any aberration would derail the espirit de corp and introduce mediocrity and indiscipline.

You know, I'm interested in this discussion only to the extend that we find out where we derailed in leadership development as a nation and fix it!
I can never belong to the same country with people who believe that because some oaf is more armed than I, he should lead me and decide the fate of my generations unborn. I (and I suspect most Igbo) would never belong to such country. So, let's get that part straight!

I see all attempts to inject Nzeogwu into this discourse as attempts to derail the thread, because we are discussing what happened at Aburi, remember? The Accord signed and trashed!
I see the same pattern here from KnowAll to you, whereby you both switch freely from blaming Igbo for the coup of Jan 1966 to saying that "Mid-Westerners" should say their views here-as if they are part victims of the coup. Nzeogwu conveniently becomes Igbo whenever you justify the mass murder of innocent civilians and the war, but you conveniently forget that he was a Mid-Westerner!

RichyBlacK:
Oh, so you've read it and you still demand a proof of the negative?

Does logic really mean anything to you, or is it just some fancy tool used by people who like to speak too much big big grammar?

@RichyBlacK
Thanks again for providing us with more detailed analysis of the 66 -67 events. Don't worry about Mr KnowAll. He sounds so much like Mr Michael Aondoakaa!(SAN?) I wouldn't be shocked if they are one and the same person! 

KnowAll:
Nzeogwu remains the 1st miliatary officer who in the name of some fantacist revolutionary movement went out and bluegeoned innocent civilians to death.

You sound like a broken record now. 
You are cornered! Ideas don finish! It is time for revisionism ! Hopeless people.

This discussion should point out the problems Igbos have with the Nigerian setup. Current Nigeria is a system founded on things that can never create a great nation. So, next time you hear an Igbo agitate for Biafra, you would do well to give him/her a break.

For those who think they can continue to keep us in that doomed system by force, they would soon find out that it is no longer possible!

KnowAll:
If according to u Ogundipe has fled, it simply means Ojukwu want to be Commander in cheif obviously there is no where in the minute where it was suggested that he offered the top job to any of the other participants. If that is not mutiny then what is mutiny 

Let's just say that you and I have irreconcilable differences. You: believe in mutinies where whoever controls the armoury controls power. I, on the other hand believe in maintenance of seniority, discipline and merit in allocation of leadership responsibility. History has proven me right and you wrong. If that is not the case, then tell me why we wasted 42 years, dashed out Bakassi to Cameroun, still have Igbos demanding Biafra, and Niger delta militants on the prowl (I hope you don't think the issues have been resolved).