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 European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 9:47pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Jodera:Bro as much as i agree with you on the highlighted,this is not actually the bone of contention! True a club will not let the player leave esp having signed an early contract....However,my line of thought or argument is that if a player is heading towards his middle or latter part of his contract,two options are presented,either he signs a new contract or he requests that he wants to leave....at that stage,no club can prevent him from doing so! This is why i stated in one of my postulations here that it was going to be hard(though not impossible) for any suitor to sign Nicolo Barella from inter having signed a new 4 year contract late last season! I admit that the club may have an upper hand if it pertains to a new transfer or after a new contractual deal with a player... The bottomline is that one way or the other,the player will most likely have a final say towards the later stages of his contract with the club! Jodera:I actually have one on this platform and there are several more where Arsene wenger and Suarez talked about what transpired over the botched deal! Suarez had prior to the upcoming season bit a chelsea player Branislav Ivanovic which landed him with an EPL ban and prevented him from starting the season and other few opening matches...his disciplinary records previously and recently meant there weren't many serious suitors except Arsenal! While Suarez was desperate for a move,his agent secretly told arsenal officials including arsene wenger about his client's release clause on his contract hoping such vital information will be enough to make arsenal generate a better bid....But Arsene wenger's frugal nature got the better of him and he told the Arsenal management to place a pound sterling ontop the already exposed release clause...This generated a lots of controversy which prompted a famous hilarious shade by the LFC owner Henry who inquired what they were actually smoking over there referring to the Arsenal management! During this controversy,Gerard advised and convinced Suarez that he was better off with Liverpool than Arsenal labelling Arsenal as a light-weight compared to other clubs...Suarez agreed and stayed! Had a near perfect season in 2013/2014 before Barca the following season made a better bid in excess of 65m pounds and the rest is history! Jodera:Firstly Harry Kane's last signed a 6 year contract extension in 2018 Thats means he currently had 3 more years on his contract as at last season when Mancity was bidding for him...Based on this info,his contract is not early and that would not have posed any threat! If Kane wanted to leave at that point,it would have been easier as long as the purchase club was willing to meet the demands of the parent/client club and the player was determined to leave!! However,there may be some factors that may have made him stay put ; 1. It was reported that Daniel Levy had a productive discussion with Kane that softened his stance 2.Part of the discussion that may have convinced Kane to stay might not be far from getting the right manager and buying the right playersto be competitive! 3.Kane knew a revolt would not be good for his image as a cult hero in spurs hence an attempt not to play would have elicited a negative reaction from the media and fans alike esp being an English man. 4.Getting relegated to the U-23 like you opined was nothing new to players who were plotting a move away from the club..Former Chelsea player Diego Costa did not even go close to Chelsea training pitch and decided to train at Brazil until his deal to Atletico Madrid was sanctioned! 5.Before or after deals fail to materialize,club officials plead with such disgruntled players to stay and most times use financial inducements or offer some sort of authority in the team as motivation to make a player to stay....an example is Mbape! At the end,if the clubs are smart enough to convince the players to stay,they will reconsider but anything other than that which includes cajoling will only enforce their bid to leave and no club can stop them no matter their stance! Jodera:Lewa has just has a year on his current contract and will likely push for a move away from Bayern! He has been quoted in interviews where he has said the following about Bayern Munich; 'Something died inside me' "My era there is over" 'I hope they don't stop me' Such utterances will likely ensure he downs tools just to soften their stance and make him leave! The breach you have stated is exactly what he wants...He wants the management to get frustrated and make the media pressure them to either accept what Barca has to offer or terminate his contract like Abu! Lastly,Harry Kane never apologised or asked for forgiveness from the club officials! This statement is false! You can make your inquires! Rather he stated that he and his agents had a productive and convincing discussion with Daniel Levy which made him stay put! If Daniel Levy had kept with his earlier stance and told Harry he was going no where like a military officer,this would have strengthened Kane's resolve to leave either in early January or after the conclusion of last season! At the end,the player hold most if not all the aces! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 10:18pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
Jodera:Will he still leave the club yes or no? Despite the stance of arsenal and spurs on Ozil and Modric respectively,did they still leave? If a player is determined to leave,the club cannot stop them...their initial move might be slowed down but it can never stop the inevitable! Jodera:This is pubic knowledge and you can make your findings! Forget about gists....No body played arsenal but themselves! If Arsenal had shown financial seriousness like Barca,Suarez would have been a gunner! Arsenal were also the only serious contender for him! Gerard only convinced suarez to stay because he felt arsenal was a light-weight or down graded club for him.....Had clubs like Barca or Real shown interest same time like arsenal he would have left despite the stance of Liverpool...True or false? Kane is different..he wanted to play because he wanted to win trophies! He actually refused playing initially but due largely to the reaction of fans and the feeling of trying to force a move,he later had had a change of mind after talking with the chairman which he said was productive hence he decided to stayed! The reason for this argument was because @Anfieldfan stood firm on the belief that the club always calls the shot when it comes to transfers and this is not always the case! If Kane wanted to leave like Modric or Bale,he would have done so and the club would have done nothing about it despite their initial stance! Jodera:It depends on the player's resolve to leave! If Lewa is determined to leave and the purchasing club is already with the funds to make such deal work,nothing can stop him from leaving! If he doesnt want to play for the club anymore he can decide not to play and run down his valuation which will soften the stance of the club to sell! At the end,the player has a say! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 9:36pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:Oga bring the proof here if you are sure of what you are saying! I dont listen to hearsays! AnfieldFan:Mane went for less because he was aging and his bargaining power was low! A younger mane would have been higher than that! AnfieldFan:You claimed the club wanted Hendo out and i said it was the coach! If you cannot accept such correction then let it slide instead of being evasive! AnfieldFan:I have already given you links about that! Nothing to add! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 9:25pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:We both heard a rumor about a Barella link to LFC which we all posited what might transpire if such deal were to go through or fall out! Based on the deal some what going cold,we both posited as to what may have transpired! I made my postulations about Barella clear which for some reasons known to you, was taken as out of context and seen as factual! Maybe next time i should place a sidenote to indicate that this is my opinion in order not to warrant such prolonged discus! AnfieldFan:Firstly before you make a stance and stand true to it ensure you are doing so with proof and not on speculation or hearsays! If you are sure of his market value show proof....If you have a link that proves he is valued at 70m,i have links to prove he is valued at 45m or more! What this means is that the market value being peddled around on the sports media might not really be the correct market value! However,i am willing to get your link if you are quite sure of your facts from a veritable source! Secondly,when a release clause is NOT REPORTED like you rightly pointed out which i actually confirmed earlier,it implied in clear terms that NOBODY knew if BARRELLA's RELEASE CLAUSE EXISTS OR NOT hence it would be fallacious to have posited that there was nothing of such abinitio! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 10:50am On Jul 01, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:Please read again... Nothing I wrote there is a lie! Inter see him as a very important player..this is why he was tied to a new Four year contract late last season on top his current contract! This is why I felt it might be hard to get him...however,is there a possibility of getting him this season? Probably! And I sighted some stumbling blocks which were more or less postulations! Nothing in that post either suggested he is not committed to inter Milan or cannot also leave if the price that may eventually be demanded by inter will be met by suitors! AnfieldFan:Your postulation might be true if the player truly intends to come to that club! In other words,he maybe convinced by the project happening at the club or through financial inducement! However,what if he has his sights set on another club that is different from the one making any inquiry about him? AnfieldFan:I have elaborated on this with veritable links! No need for back and forth! AnfieldFan:Once again I have showed links on why Suarez initial move to arsenal had nothing to do with the club having a final say like you alluded to but because arsenal were not serious about signing or were too stingy under arsene Wenger! AnfieldFan:Firstly,the 40 million was never his value but used to recoup the funds for his purchase from Southampton! Secondly, mane is in his 30s and in the final year of his contract hence,his bargaining power will definitely be low...in order words,the club doesn't have the luxury of getting more money from him due to age factor..However,we both know an experienced player like mane at 27 would have commanded more valuation and more funds! Note that This is my opinion and not factual! AnfieldFan:If he wanted to force a move he would have done so despite the club's stance! We all know why Kane did not leave and its contained in the link I posted! If Kane truly wanted to leave,he would have done what Ozil or Abu did! However,its would have had an inglorious reputation on his relationship with the spur fans! However,the question is does he have options despite the stand of the club or chairman? Absolutely! AnfieldFan:No sir the question is did the players that left have a final say on whether they can leave despite the stand of the club or chairman? Absolutely! Whether it was protracted is not the issue..If they can force a move,they have the final say! Its that simple! AnfieldFan: However,If the club keeps up with their stance,a player can decide not to play for the club and force the officials to reluctantly let the player leave! AnfieldFan:Or he can behave like Abu or Ozil to force a move away from Bayern! Once again the player has options despite the stance of the club! AnfieldFan:You said the club has a final say! I said the club does not! Neymar and coutinho got their move because they pushed for such! The club had no option but to sell to avoid the saga of ozil or modric! Hence the player has the final say...simple! AnfieldFan:Already answered that previously and here! No need for repetition! AnfieldFan:This is what you should said rather than assume there is none! AnfieldFan:Not true according to research! You confidence on this stance despite contrary evidence is really interesting! Suarez actually had a release clause! I had posted the link to prove otherwise! If you have a contrary link to prove he had none,post it here! AnfieldFan:Keita is much more than the average definition of an employee...Keita like every other player is a contract staff who is paid to carry out a task or function....he has a contractual agreement and an agent/soccer attorney who protects his interest in order not to be taken advantage of! Liverpool cannot make a deal without making it known to him and he can decide not to be involved in the deal with barrella and nothing will happen! If you have a contrary opinion,quote with evidence....not assumptions! AnfieldFan:Oga stop trying to be evasive! You said the club not the coach wanted him out of Liverpool! I corrected you! which you refused to acknowledge but kept prevaricating! Hence I brought proof and you are still wondering its essence! AnfieldFan:Better! Your initial statement was there was no release clause as though its a fact that he has none! But no probs! AnfieldFan:No matter how stiff necked club tries you cannot keep a player who doesn't want to stay! At the end the player has the final say no matter the defiance of the club! This what I have been saying! AnfieldFan:As usual you said nothing but attempt a low budget prevarication! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 12:37am On Jul 01, 2022*. Modified: 12:55am On Jul 01, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:This was my initial position Yeah i wish we could get Barella but he comes at a very high price in excess of 95m which may not seem feasible for the club and whether he is available or wants to play for LFC is another issue! The player hasn't signified an interest to leave serie-A or inter Milan for the EPL or LFC hence it will be madness to make such request!Nothing to add! AnfieldFan:Check the link again but this time slowly...Let me also add more! https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/612175060263043074 https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/transfer-news/liverpool-looking-hijack-manchester-uniteds-5915480 https://www.90min.com/posts/2279260-liverpool-eye-manchester-united-s-brazlian-target-roberto-firmino https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/584939/Liverpool-Roberto-Firmino-transfer-news No time dragging over this! AnfieldFan:I could keep up with the back and forth but the best way to end a doubt is through evidence and not speculation https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/luis-suarez-arsenal-transfer-news-16536539 https://www.squawka.com/en/arsenal-bid-luis-suarez-liverpool/ https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/arsenal-liverpool-luis-suarez-transfer-news-arsene-wenger-b1046695.html https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/interviews/luis-suarez-reveals-that-he-wanted-to-sign-for-arsenal Please be reminded about what you said about Suarez so that you dont prevaricate.... Suarez wanted to leave the season prior and even forced a move, we didn't let him, in the end, keeping a player who didn't want to stay was gonna be counter- productive so we let him go... AnfieldFan:Like i said....No time to argue.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10896385/Liverpool-reject-second-bid-Bayern-Munich-worth-30m-Sadio-Mane.html It is reported that Liverpool sporting director Julian Ward is using £42.5m as a benchmark figure for negotiations.https://www.eurosport.com/football/transfers/2022-2023/liverpool-reject-laughable-bayern-munich-transfer-bid-for-sadio-mane-with-ballon-d-or-add-ons-report_sto8982090/story.shtml https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4682273/liverpool-reject-second-bayern-munich-bid-for-sadio-mane-sources https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-transfer-news/2022/6/6/23156299/liverpool-fc-transfer-news-reject-25m-opening-bayern-munich-bid-sadio-mane AnfieldFan:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11675/12390231/harry-kane-announces-he-is-to-stay-at-tottenham-this-summer-after-failed-man-city-bids When it looked like Kane to City was all but a done deal, the striker received personal abuse from Spurs fans, who felt betrayed by his alleged actions taken to try to force an exit from his boyhood side. AnfieldFan:Did Modric or Bale finally leave? Yes Or No! If yes it simply shows the club or chairman do not have the final say which buttresses my point about the ability of a player leaving as long as the purchasing club is willing to pay the amount demanded by the club! Its normal for the club to be defiant in trying to let go a star player...However,if the purchasing club meets the demand of the parent club,nothing can stop the move from materializing! However,If the club keeps up with their stance,a player can decide not to play for the club and force the officials to reluctantly let the player leave! However such move by the player might have side effects as the fans may misinterpret the stance of such player! AnfieldFan:Its quite normal for the club to hold a stance atleast it will be on record that they did everything to make a player stay! Lewa is still under a contract but can decide to force a move that might terminate his contract and no player with such an illustrious career at Bayern would like to leave with such legacy when they exit the club! An amount in excess of 50m is what bayern expect from frontrunner barca...If barca cant get it another club will do so! Bayern at the end will eventually let him go rather than risk letting him go on a free transfer next season! The player at the end wins despite the hard ball of the club! AnfieldFan:I repeat...I never said Barella will reject LFC..... Anything could have happened for the rumour to go cold! These are my postulations which could either be true or false; It might be that LFC havent contacted the agent or club yet....OR LFC may have made contact but inter milan is not willing to sell(he just signed a new improved contract last season)...OR Barella maybe targetting another club of his desire...OR The asking price from Inter Milan maybe too high for LFC to pay Or The recruitment team and Klopp do not feel they need a player like him AnfieldFan:Such release clause exists however its only made known to suitors by the agents when their client's club becomes defiant and refuses to sell! Suarez agent told arsenal about his release clause... AnfieldFan:See i have no problem with Keita moving to inter as a part of a deal to sign Barella...However,such move should be based on his consent and not the club directive like you opine! However i do believe the club will do the right thing if indeed such deal is a reality! AnfieldFan:https://www.givemesport.com/1316879-jordan-henderson-reveals-how-he-reacted-when-brendan-rodgers-tried-selling-him https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-news-coverage/2021/1/2/22210115/liverpool-fc-jordan-henderson-recalls-pivotal-moment-failed-transfer-fulham-brendan-rodgers-epl https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpools-jordan-henderson-rejects-loan-1458469 https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/572472/Jordan-Henderson-Fulham-Liverpool https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/liverpool-captain-jordan-henderson-reveals-14701661 AnfieldFan:This is unconfirmed! You can say you are not sure if Barella has a release clause but you make it sound for a fact that he has none! AnfieldFan:This is part of how a player shows he has the power to leave when the club remains defiant! Though such move comes at a cost if the player may have endeared himself to the supporters! Lewa could have done so but is skeptical about the reaction of Bayern fans! I am elated you included Ozil and Abu in your comment which i had avoided using in order not to be accused of being evasive or go off tangent like you had previously opined! AnfieldFan:A half-hearted attempt at Prevarication gone Stale! We Move!  |
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| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 8:49pm On Jun 30, 2022*. Modified: 9:14pm On Jun 30, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:At least you have finally agree that I never said so verbatim and that is where it should end! My earlier explanation is quite explicit and should have cleared any doubt...prolonging it by aprobating and reprobating at the same time will only prolong a needless argument! Both of us were making speculations without knowing the true nature of the situation at hand as it concerns barrella! You said the club is foot dragging which might be true or false...I said he may not want to come...that could also be true or false...The FSG price tag stuff is me sighting reasons why he may not come which may include transfer fees or maybe he is committed to the club and doesn't want a move! AnfieldFan:What is my palaver with whether you accept or reject the link? Its a free world! Discarding the link does not in any way change what transpired or make what was said untrue! If you don't believe the link then that's not my problem! We move! AnfieldFan:Like I said before,you can't force players to stay or leave as long as they have existing contracts with the club! If a player wants to leave a club,the suitor will have to pay the amount demanded by the selling club! What you said about Suarez is false because I followed the timeline! Suarez was about leaving before the 2013/2014 season and he actually wanted to force a move to any club...the only club serious about purchasing him then was arsenal....when they were made aware of his release clause being 40million,arsene Wenger added a pound making it 40million and one pound which was hilariously slammed and rejected by FSG....since no other club came for him,Brenda talked to Suarez and convinced him to stay.....during the would cup,after a concluded 2013/2014 season where LFC narrowly lost out of the EPL,a brouhaha ensued where he yanked an Italian player with his teeth and was dismissed.....The English media criticized the player and knowing the flurry of condemnation they will face,FSG made the player available for sale and that was how he left for barca! Suarez would have initially moved had arsenal tabled a better offer! Since there was no other offer due primarily to his disciplinary record, he stayed put! This is not me that said so....if you have a contrary view,you are free to give me a link not assumptions! AnfieldFan:  It would seem as though you were comparing the food market to the transfer market where lots of issues are esp when the commodity relates to humans! A player can decide to reject a new deal and run down their contract with a club just so that they can leave as free agents which will be profitable for the purchasing club and there are so many instances! For Mane,i have made it clear that the club would not have been stopped him from leaving as long as he had suitors who were willing to pay the amount demanded by his parent club...This has nothing to do with goodwill or respect from the club! Kane was about leaving for mancity despite the huge price tag and only changed his mind when Mancity softpeddled on his pursuit after getting Grealish for a humongous amount and spurs got Conte who galvanized them to 4th place finish...If mancity had tabled an improved offer,he would have been their Number 9 not Halaand! Lewandoski will still move if the club chasing him are willing to pay the price demanded by bayern munich...This is exactly the point i had initially made before that as long as a suitor has the funds demanded by a selling club,the player will leave! AnfieldFan:These were my comments about Barrella If you need a player and he is unavailable, you look for another alternative!My analogy was based on the fact that there was too much silence after the rumoured keita plus 30-40million deal hence it left room for speculation! These were my postulations.... Maybe he doesn't want to leave inter...or maybe he is happy with the club and may not want to leave for a league unknown to him or maybe Inter is not ready to entertain any sale of their top player or he may probably be desiring another club! Why i drew a correlation between Tchouameni and Barrella was me theorizing the reason why Barrella wasnt really warming up to LFC was maybe because he had his heart set on another club like Tchouameni (that is assuming if LFC had already made contact with him) AnfieldFan:How convenient for you to blame me for speculating when you are also doing the same thing! These were your own assumptions with no proof.... Don't fall for FSG's shenanigansLooks specious to me! We are free to assume or postulate but it would be sanctimonious to sound indifferent for the same thing you are already doing! AnfieldFan:Once again you are speculating! How did you know he has no release clause? How do you even know his market value is 70 million.....There are several soccer links speculating his market value to be 70m..some say 65m..and others say 45m However,its the club that will determine how much a player is worth to them and if they state a figure,only some hard negotiation can reduce the amount! Keita can only be involved in that deal if only he agrees! AnfieldFan:Wrong....you said it was the club that wanted him to go on loan and i corrected you! The coach not the club wanted him to go on loan! The club would never have forced him to go on loan or leave without losing money at the end...that will imply terminating a 5-6 year contract! AnfieldFan:Players are allowed to leave as long as the purchasing club can meet the financial demands of the parent clubs This is contrary to your own views that the club holds the power to impede a player from leaving or staying! AnfieldFan:Your response I said as much in my earlier post, the only block to such a move would be Inter or the purchasing club's ability to match his wages, if the purchasing club can match the wages, the Player would be sold if the selling club wants toMy Response What you have said is part of the process but not until the player has been notified of an interest with the purchasing club through his agent!If you see no connection,then try and go back to your initial comments to avoid being evasive! AnfieldFan:Nothing of such! On the contrary,its best you make a research on the running of a football club business to know because it obvious there are lots of postulations in your comments that are not true! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 3:21pm On Jun 30, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:Oga this is where your confusion started from! I never said barrella doesn't want to come! If you were able to peruse and not rush to comment, you would have noticed where I used 'MAY' which is used mostly to signify an uncertainty or probability! I was even the first to bring up the news about barrella here! What I opined was that we don't know yet if barrella wants to come to LFC.... Everything about him is mainly based on speculation and we can't rely on that to either assume if a player wants to be here or if the club wants to get him! AnfieldFan:Liverpool made an 11th hour attempt to hijack a Manchester United move for Firmino, and agreed a deal with the player’s German club Hoffenheim. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-seal-28m-transfer-roberto-5937874.amp I no like to argue too much please read the link and get informed! AnfieldFan:This is not true! If that were the case coutinho would never have left LFC Xavi Alonso would have still played for LFC under the directive of the club Suarez would have been playing for LFC since the club had a final say according to you Mane would have been forced to accept any contract extension salary since the club deems it fit according to your analogy! Totally untrue! When it comes to players,Clubs do not have a say....they only try to pacify the player with financial inducement like PSG did for Mbape! AnfieldFan:Chai Na wa! lol I sighted an instance....I said and I quote...'what if the player is not really interested in a move to a club but decides to go to where his heart desire is' I drew the correlation between Tchoumeni and barrella to opine a situation where barrella MAY NOT want a move to LFC but to another club of his desire! Tchou had his heart set on a move to Madrid and nothing stopped him not even a call from klopp...Rudiger had a call from barca coach and president to barca but he said his heart was set on Madrid! Desire plays a part in d mind of players! AnfieldFan:Agreement can take place even before contact with the club! You keep insisting that Liverpool have not made contact....this is purely based on speculation! If LFC has made contact we may not know! We do not know yet and the transfer market is not yet closed! We can be free to assume if Barella is not bought in this transfer window! AnfieldFan:If a club publicly announces a value for a player,the purchasing club will be met with a higher amount! 95 million is just a speculated amount from me not an actual! However going by your own speculation of 70 m(if true) will mean inter will definitely take it above 70 and we might have in excess of 80 or 90m to purchase barella! Overall most of our speculation may not be true until we find out from the club! AnfieldFan:No sir check again...the coach Brenda Rogers not club wanted hendo to go on loan after he purchased the 'welsh Xavi' Joe Allen from Swansea.... Even then,the club could not throw him out because he was still under a long term contract after signing last season and any attempt to force him out will financially affect the club! In addition,its the coach not club that decides which player needs to go on loan esp if the player doesn't figure in his plans! AnfieldFan:I have given you several players that left despite the defiance of stance of the club! If you need more let me know...Players hold the key to their move! Clubs do not have the powers to determine if a player will stay or leave except for a player having disciplinary problems! Players are allowed to leave as long as the purchasing club can meet the financial demands of the parent clubs! Its that simple! AnfieldFan:What you have said is part of the process but not until the player has been notified of an interest with the purchasing club through his agent! No selling club does business with a purchasing club without the consent of the player and agent in question! Iike i told you abinitio,a player is informed by his agent about a suitor's interest,if the player agrees,the purchase club starts negotiation on personal terms with the player through the agent even before meeting the selling club.....the selling club shows the purchase club the value of the player and negotiation for a transfer fee proceeds....If the purchase club and selling club are unable to come to a compromise,the deal is off! AnfieldFan:Oga there is nothing like that! i dont deal with assumptions! If you are in need of how the footy business works,make your findings on google instead of resorting to half baked gists! Such gists are reasons why an OP came up with a beer parlour yarn about mane leaving because of a 100k salary he was receiving while he was at LFC until Mane's agent denied such recently! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 1:43pm On Jun 30, 2022 |
CAPdan21:You and Anfieldfan are getting thins mixed up! Contrary to what you feel,the agent doesn't need to advertise a player sale! If you perused my earlier comments, I simply said in clear English that Liverpool may have made contact with the player through the agent without notifying the public! This is done so that if the player isn't interested,the buying club can simply deny such move for the player! However everything is still based on speculation! No doubt barrella is a good player and will fit nicely to the LFC style of play but since there is no news from that end,it can either imply that the player may not interested in a move or the selling club which in this case is inter milan is holding out an outrageous transfer fee just to scare away suitors! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 12:31pm On Jun 30, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:Baba but this was the same thing I said nah... A player through the agent signifies suitors if such player is available or the selling club may do so due to financial crisis! The players you mentioned made their desires known....whether it was before or after serves no relevance! However,its easier for the club,current players and fans when a player expresses a willingness to come cos it most times make the player welcome! And can also tell you with good authority based on links that those players wanted to come to LFC...the only player who was hesitant to come was actually coutinho when he was at inter Milan but finally left when his then coach Rafael benitez told coutinho he is not part of his plans! Its a two way pattern and I highlighted it in my previous comments! You just buttressed it and I see no reason for repetition! AnfieldFan:Oga read my comments again....firmino got to LFC because of Brenda rogers style of play and Liverpool wanted him! I never said Brenda wanted him! Just like you said Brenda wanted benteke but he was later convinced by LFC recruitment officers that Firmino would be a star player and he did which surprised Brenda! AnfieldFan:Obviously you rushed to comment without understanding my reason for making such statement! I inserted it as a side note not as a shade but to better understand how a transfer actually works in real life because every operation is inserted there about transfers of players! AnfieldFan:Its hilarious going over this again but I will try for others not to be uninformed! A club makes an inquiry but not in open about a player through his agent! His agent meets with the player about a club's desire to sign him...if he agrees he tells the agent if he is interested or not! Once an interest is expressed,the purchasing club goes to the players club to make it public....the club decides if the player is one they can cash in or hold onto depending on his value to the team! We cannot tell if LFC have made an inquiry and we may never know until another club shows interest or he decides to make an interview that he is flattered by being admired by LFC but he is committed to inter Milan! Now let me ask....even if LFC makes such inquiry,does Barrella want to come to LFC? Is LFC where he expresses his desire to play for? Aurélien Tchouaméni was not only courted by LFC but got a phone call from klopp,yet he still went to Real Madrid! Serbian player Dušan Vlahović was courted by several clubs in Italy and england yet he expressed his desire to play for the old lady juventus and he was purchased from fiorentina for less than what top clubs like man city was pricing him! The players consent and choice of club is also important for a move to be possible! AnfieldFan:When a player is valued at that amount the club will also increase the fee! If inter value him at 1 billon,the purchasing club will have to start negotiations from there! You don't negotiate below or at that value as a selling club! This was the reason why former manager arsene wenger after hearing Suarez value of 40 million added an extra one pound to purchase the player from LFC which was deemed as hilarious to FSG! This is obtainable every where on transfers! AnfieldFan: Chai this is obviously not true! Such assumptions are mostly made up and feeling with so much emotions! First, The club decides its business based on the players consent! For example,Henderson was about to be loaned to Fulham after Brenda rogers became manager of LFC but he refused and insisted he wanted to fight for a place at LFC....the club or brenda never forced him to agree because that was Henderson decision to make! Before such deal is made the club speaks to keita and his agents about such deal and if keita is okay with the move,he will start negotiating terms with inter based on salary but if he refuses,the club cannot force him on making such deals! Saying whatever plans keita has is mute is not the truth! If he doesn't want to go to inter,he will say so through his lawyers! No club runs such master-slave policy esp not in EPL where there are so many unions protecting their interest! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 10:27am On Jun 30, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:All the players you mentioned expressed a desire to play for Liverpool! Nunez openly told his agent he wanted to come to LFC because it suited his style of play! Diaz had already signified interest to play for Liverpool hence preparations were made for next season...however,LFC had to move quickly when his agent secretly informed LFC that spurs were trying to make inroads to get Diaz in January! Mane wanted to come to LFC even before klopp called....mane made it clear LFC was his number one choice! These are all on the internet! A google search is all u need! AnfieldFan:Baba....Na wa! These are moves that were borne out of a desire to play for Liverpool! Bobby had two options which were manutd and Liverpool but choose LFC because the playing style of former lfc coach Brenda rogers suited his game! Fabinho showed up as soon as LFC expressed interest! AnfieldFan:You thoughts in the transfer market is not how it works in reality! Barella can only come to a club when the agent signals an availability or possibility! Or you think LFC haven't already made contact with barella's agent? If the player is happy at the club,there is nothing a purchasing club can do about it as long as the club is not a selling club or is not going through a financial crisis! Salah was available and was ready to play in the EPL after his awful time at Chelsea and when he heard from his agent that LFC and klopp wanted him,he instantly agreed! As a side note,try and play PS4 PES games and get acquainted with how the transfer market works! AnfieldFan:If the player is valued at 70 million, it simply means he is worth more than that to inter Milan! This corroborates to what I said about him being valued above the 95 million! This is also where you get that part wrong! You cannot just offer keita as part of the deal if he or his agents are not interested! There was actually a rumour that such was in their plans but so far is keita interested in such move? Is inter Milan willing to make such deal? Most importantly,does barella want a move to LFC? |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 9:16am On Jun 30, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:Inter values him more than that and he doesn't intend leaving inter Milan! The player hasn't signified an interest to leave serie-A or inter Milan for the EPL or LFC hence it will be madness to make such request! LFC must go for players with the desire to play for LFC not because they were forced to accept a fee and play in the EPL for money like De Jong! So far FSG has proven to be quite instrumental in their purchases and have avoided the temptation to be as exorbitant like the manutd owners! If you need a player and he is unavailable, you look for another alternative! I love Barrella and I would love him to play for LFC but he loves Milan and may not leave until his early 30s to a less serie-A club or to the american major soccer league....they are not really good travellers around europe like EPL players! |
| Family › Re: Marrying A Feminist by openmine(m): 8:21am On Jun 30, 2022 |
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| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Liverpool FC Fan Zone: 20 Times Champions of England! by openmine(m): 7:43pm On Jun 29, 2022 |
AnfieldFan:Yeah i wish we could get Barella but he comes at a very high price in excess of 95m which may not seem feasible for the club and whether he is available or wants to play for LFC is another issue! Another player we could go for is Tielemans which i feel is a decent midfielder! However,transfer window closes by the end of August...so lets wait and see! Another |
| Politics › Re: Tinubu Rejects Lawan, Yahaya Bello As Running Mates by openmine(m): 11:30am On Jun 29, 2022 |
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| Politics › Re: Terrorists Kidnap DPO On His Way To Resume Duty In Birnin Gwari, Kaduna by openmine(m): 8:28am On Jun 28, 2022 |
Waaaoooh what a country...a DPO that was posted to secure the state was kidnapped by the same terrorists that he was sent to apprehend on his way to his duty post! Na wa ohh! |
| Travel › Re: How God Saved Me From Untimely Death by openmine(m): 10:44pm On Jun 27, 2022 |
One of the most common and basic rules is never get distracted while driving Thank God for your life! Please learn from this and drive carefully next time! |
| Politics › Re: Everything You Need To Know About Tinubu’s Certificate Controversy by openmine(m): 10:29pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
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| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: 'mane Did Not Leave Liverpool Due To Low Wages' Agent Bacary Cisse Slams Rumours by openmine(op): 3:39pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
I do hope the 'Mane Low wage' BS some ignorant folks here carry around will now be laid to rest! |
| European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › 'mane Did Not Leave Liverpool Due To Low Wages' Agent Bacary Cisse Slams Rumours by openmine(op): 3:37pm On Jun 26, 2022 |
Sadio Mane's PR agent, Bacary Cisse, has slammed rumours the Senegal star left Liverpool because his wages were 'too low'. Some reports recently claimed that the winger left for Bayern Munich because of his contract, but that has now been dismissed. With much of the talk last season surrounding the situation with Mohamed Salah and his contract at Liverpool entering the final year, Mane's own situation was put on the back burner until just before the Champions League final against Real Madrid. With a move now completed to Bayern Munich in a deal that could be worth up to £35million, Mane's six year stay at Liverpool is over and a Ballon d'Or win come the end of the year could be well within reach. When talking to TV5Monde, Cisse said when asked about the rumours surrounding Mane's Liverpool wage being 'too low': "Those are false rumours. We didn't want to talk about that. A player of Sadio's caliber can't be earning the salary that people are speaking about. The numbers circulating are completely wrong. "Sadio was already earning more than that when he joined Liverpool from Southampton. He extended his contract in 2018 and his salary was much higher than the numbers circulating in the media." After being a huge part of the Liverpool side that brought home the FA Cup and League Cup while reaching the final of the Champions League and finished one point behind Premier League winners Manchester City, Mane is in with a shout of winning the Ballon d'Or. Especially given Senegal lifted the Africa Cup of Nations. "Sadio does not want to talk too much about that. It's an individual award that players want to win. If it comes, so be it, but if it doesn't, Sadio will continue to play his football and go his way." |
| Sports › Re: Taiwo Awoniyi Joins Nottingham Forest For Club Record Fee by openmine(m): 6:49pm On Jun 25, 2022 |
| Family › Re: Marrying A Feminist by openmine(m): 9:59am On Jun 25, 2022 |
Pweetiedude:What? |
| Politics › Re: Atiku Can Never Win 25% Votes In Rivers - APC by openmine(m): 11:05pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
Nigerians will shock all their hilarious permutations unless they are not tired of being labelled 'suffering and smiling'. You accuse Rivers state government of not doing well or performing poorly yet at the national stage,your glorified baba has failed woefully in all ramifications! Sounds hypocritical! Please can any APC member tell me what their party and their flagbearer will be using to campaign come 2023? |
| Politics › Re: Ahmed Lawan Stranded As INEC Certifies Bashir Machina Winner Of Yobe North by openmine(m): 8:58pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
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| Politics › Re: South-South APC Leaders Pledge Support For Tinubu by openmine(m): 8:07pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
garfield1:Unless you decided to either read my previous comments airily or unfortunately assumed my disdain for the ruling party is automatically a support for the main opposition! Once again you have evaded my question...i ask again...what will APC or the flagbearer use as their campaign promises 2023? |
| Politics › Re: South-South APC Leaders Pledge Support For Tinubu by openmine(m): 4:27pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
garfield1:History has proven that statistical data count for nothing during such election in a volatile country like Nigeria esp for a president or party that has performed miserably despite offering to salvage the nation from their then opposition PDP in 2014! If APC under Buhari had performed to a pass mark,no one will be seeking an alternative! However,due to the profound incompetence and mismanagement of a president,recommended by the now flagbearer Tinubu,which actually occurred in 2015-2022 and not 2015-2019 as you mischievously opine will persuade more Nigerians mostly in the SS region to seek alternates other than the conventional and failed parties like PDP and esp APC no matter which region the flagbearer emanates from! Since you have been an APC member for 8 plus years,let me make this urgent inquiry... what will your flagbearer or APC use in campaigning come 2023? While answering without delving into unnecessary sentiments and partisan inclination,ensure you engage your advise by making use of your own number 6 okay? |
| Politics › Re: South-South APC Leaders Pledge Support For Tinubu by openmine(m): 3:42pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
garfield1:That acclaimed 32% or what ever meager percentage that was supposedly gotten in 2019 by APC in SS will take a huge slide due to the incompetence and mismanagement of the present administration nationwide! Your hilarious and concocted 40% is simply a mirage! Una too dey give una self fake hope despite failing woefully! |
| Politics › Re: South-South APC Leaders Pledge Support For Tinubu by openmine(m): 2:15pm On Jun 24, 2022*. Modified: 3:03pm On Jun 24, 2022 |
Well i guess its just the APC south south members that will vote for Tinubu which may not be up to 20% of the entire SS region! Even during the nationwide clamour for a change in 2014,SS has never delivered for APC! How will the SS now deliver at this crucial time when its apparent that the current administration that was supported and sponsored twice by BAT as the best thing since sliced bread has failed woefully in all their campaign promises that was made in 2014? My simple question is what will APC use in campaigning come 2023? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Family › Re: I Am Worried Over Her High Sexual Drive.please Advise by openmine(m): 3:56pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
Learn to input pre-intimacy so that insertion will come last when she is about to release! It helps to stimulate her clit while enabling her to attain earth shaking orgasm quickly...Trust me she will thank you later  Not everything is about insertion of JT! No go kill yourself onto say you wan impress your babe! |
| Travel › Re: Three Burnt To Death In Bayelsa Auto Crash (Graphic) by openmine(m): 3:08pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
Eye-witness account attributed the accident to over speeding and loss of control which resulted in an head-on collision.Once again people will never listen or learn from other person's mistake only to add to the death toll no thanks to the recklessness on the part of drivers! Always thinking they have a spare body somewhere! My people over speeding kills...drive carefully or if you are a passenger,plead with the driver to be carefully on the road to avoid being part of a statistic! Life has no duplicate ohh! |
| Politics › Re: We Will Decentralise National Grid, Invest $550m To Boost Power Supply – Buhari by openmine(m): 11:23am On Jun 22, 2022 |
9icetoo:You obviously did not peruse my comments before replying! Gas is not the only source of electricity....There is solar,water,windmill.coal etc The states who do not have the resources can remain in the national grid or tap from nearby states until they can seek an alternative to provide power to their citizens but the national grid scam must be knocked off because its not feasible and economical! Lets states with the resources or natural resource be allowed to produce their own electricity! |
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