₦airaland Forum

Quality20:
yes we will not participate, you northerners and Yoruba always marginalise us. why can't you ppl zone and give us presidency the way northerners, yorubas and ijaw got it

You need to firstly join the contest for the presidency

OdumegwuOjukwu:
On the basis of his abduction and extra ordinary rendition, Kanu's trial is illegal.

Government should release him, pay compensation to him and his family, and let him go back to his base.

They can then follow due process in demanding extradition. Were I his lawyer, and PR team, this is the line I will tone.

Nigeria Government should not be allowed to benefit from illegality by making him go through trial, Kanu shouldn't have entered any plea except to say he was illegally brought to Nigeria.

Kanu was arrested by the Interpol.

989900:
I'll rather prefer Fashọla than anyone else in the country -- if Nigeria were a fortune 500 company, he'd probably be their number 1 candidate. I've written about this many times on Nairaland (probably, you're new here).

That said, for what it is, it should be the turn for someone from the southeast region of this country -- are we saying no one from the millions of educated folks from the southeast is fit to be president?

If you want another President from the Southwest, then the Northerners are right to insist on another 8 years.

But Tinubu is not stopping Fashola or someone from the S/East from contesting sir.


So start projecting Fashola or that 'someone from the SouthEast' and let Tinubu exercise his Constitutional and God given right to aspire to the highest post in his country

obynzo:
For this we are in agreement. The problem is the current crop of leaders even in Lagos are not keen on pushing aggressively for true federalism

About 80% of the problems in this country are actually economic problems and most problems indeed have economic solutions.


For instance, Boko Haram and the Killer Herdsmen crisis result from decades of poor economic decisions.

Most Boko Haram members are young men between 18-40years (age of productivity) who are channelling their youthful energies in the negative direction.

What do Boko Haramists really want? What do the Killer Herdsmen really want? ...They both want to make their lives better!

Make no mistakes about it, Boko Haramism is not really about getting close to God or avoiding sins.
Many of the Boko Haram fighters can't read the Qur'an and they watch blue films, use drugs, rape and commit all kinds of sins/crimes like the rest of the people.

They have been brainwashed to believe that the 'corrupt' political system is the reason for their POVERTY and that if they fight to replace it with Islamic Gov'ts, their lives will be rossy and if they die in the process, they will be rewarded with great things in heaven including 72 virgins.
IPOB also use similar system to convince their members, supporters and sympathizers that a new country devoid of certain 'negative' tribes we have in Nigeria will solve their present predicaments.


Nigeria, like other African countries is poor because we are unable to dominate our environment (use what are available around us to make our lives better).

berrystunn:
Tinubu can't win any state in S.S and SE.
NE. Even all part of the north.

His Vis will be a Christian.

Unfortunately, your personal opinion is NOT the same thing as INEC verdict.


Most enemies of Tinubu on this forum approach political issues from emotional points of views.

To defeat people like Tinubu, you need to coalesce into a movement that is physically campaigning for a strong opposition contender like Atiku, Tambuwa etc.
The major challenge with this however is that you will need to market these candidates and convince the electorates that they are better alternatives to Tinubu.



Abusing , insulting or cursing Tinubu will only appeal to small numbers of people who already hate him and aren't going to vote for him anyway.

However people that like him or stand to gain from APC victory or people that don't want his opponent will still vote.

NoFucksToGive:
Tinubu will never rule Nigeria

Even if he wins in Lagos his victory will end in southwest. He can never win my Edo state talkless of anywhere in Niger Delta. Off course we will wear his t-shirts and eat his money o

Please as a Niger Delta son or daughter if those Yoruba approach you to support the cocaine lover aka Tinubu say yes and collect his money o. Don't be foolish and say no. Let us give him the Goodluck Jonathan treatment. Eat his money and still leave the drug addict stranded on election Day

Infact post on everywhere pictures of him shout sai Tinubu or sai cocaine lover..or sai jagaban.

Wear his t-shirts and dance in all his roadshows... Eat his money well..let the fool think we will vote for his cocaine infested nose.

We in Niger Delta are not Yoruba or Ibo

We know our left from our right. We don't praise criminals and touts

People vote for a candidate in an election for many reasons.

You have stated your reasons which will not be the same for millions of other voters.

However, you need to know that you can't really influence the outcome of the presidential election in this way.

PrinceOfLagos:
I pity you

We shall see how it plays out for Tinubu abi na Tinubu they now call him

Your obsession with Tinubu is sickening.


Tinubu may be a bad guy but he is just one out of numerous bad politicians in Nigeria.



It's better to start campaigning for your preferred candidate whose morality is at par with that of Angel Gabriel and let Tinubu be.

berrystunn:
Tinubu and Atiku.

Tinubu will only win in Lagos state and ogun state.

We have 36 state in Nigeria.

Atiku that won buhari , can win 25 state .

Without campaign self .

Even Atiku can never say these.

IKBARUTEN11:
Nigerians, do you know that there are more qualified presidential aspirants for the 2023 election than Tinubu

Change brought so many evils to Nigeria
Next level brought us this far in evil

Let our youths stand up against this oligarchy and reclaim this country

Yes they are better presidential aspirants like Prof Kingsley Moghalu but they are running on the plateform of very weak political parties that can't even win in one ward.

obynzo:
Bros saying most of them stay homeless is a lie and we know who the touts are. Again it is because of the high population concentration in Lagos that makes it an attractive market if 50 or 60% relocate that attractiveness would end and those multinationals would relocate to where the market is and same goes to hotels and petroleum marketing companies who by the way would relocate to where the oil is

In life, most things are really never black or white but there are often spectrum of grey in-between and everything comes with both positives and negatives.

If a sizeable portion of the population leave to other State, it will have both positives and negatives but the State will most likely be better off for it.

There are many ways that the State can generate revenues that hasn't been fully tapped. With adequate investment, Lagos can generate alot of money by investing in Water Transportation and chemical industries using raw materials from it's aquatic environment.

For instance, do you know that with good water transportation, Ondo and Delta States are 45mins and 1 hour away from Lagos?

Lagos, Ondo and Delta States can collaborate to build super modern Water Transport companies.




True Federalism will help Nigeria in so many ways.

If each State is taking care of itself without looking forward to the centre, many States will kick start economic activities that will attract and hold their population instead of every youth trooping to Lagos.
It will also help Lagos to control many of it's resources and opportunities.

obynzo:
If you are saying most people in Lagos don't contribute to the IGR of the state is a big fat lie or maybe you don't see how LIRS aggressively harass them in the markets. Also if Oil companies relocate their HQs back to oil producing areas that would also hit Lagos as well.

Read the first line of my post you are responding to.

Generation of revenue is dynamic and not static.
Let me break it down for you in local parlance ,may be you can understand it better; water will find it's levels.





Street traders with some of them sleeping in shops, homeless people, touts and a significant number of the people you see on the streets of Lagos aren't making real contributions to the IGR of Lagos.

I repeat these people are likely to be better off if they relocate to Kwara, Osun, Nasarawa, Edo, Kogi or Akwa-Ibom States and try to replicate what they have learnt in Lagos State.

Apart from personal income taxes which every employeed adult pays, Oil Companies pay their taxes to the FG. Taxes from the ports are also paid to the FG.

Multinational companies and Corporate Nigerians, Petroleum marketing companies, Hotels, ICT coys contribute the major share of the IGR.

Sheriman:
90% of hungry illiterates and not well exposed Nigerians will still vote for Tinubu after collecting 1 bag of semovita 1 bag of rice and 3K respectively. Since all these years of suffering, I don't just know whether suffering no tire dem at all. Infact, suffering na dia trade mark and official logo.

What is the right candidate that you are supporting sir?

Aganju849:
The spirits of all the young men, women and children he ordered their deaths at Lekki toll gate will never alow him near Aso Rock, by the Grace of Almighty God.

Amen.

So it's no longer the chief of Army Staff, Governor of Lagos State or even the President that give orders to the military but a private citizen?


Sentimental propaganda like this don't win elections.

ANDREW91:
Lolz. Please name d states

The following States also engage Alphabeta consultant services;

Abia
Akwa-Ibom
Imo
Bayelsa
Sokoto
Kano
Plateau
Nasarawa

obynzo:
And what will happen to the IGR, when 50% of the people leave. The amazing income from Land use charge and others it will drop. Lagos is what it is today because of the skewed federal system. If things are balanced it will not be like that trust me. Even with the population and the current IGR Lagos should not be a high debt laden state.

The generation of IGR is dynamic and not static.

Lagos has many problems and over population is a major one.

Most of the population in Lagos don't contribute to the IGR but are burden on the State. They will do better if they can try their luck's in other States.


So many people wrongly assume that they must be in Lagos to make it or live good lives but this is not true. There are economic opportunities in every State which we need to develop.

A 30 year-old graduate earning #100K in Niger, Ekiti, Kebbi, Ebonyi or Edo States are better than many people living in Lagos.

JOemmy:
These are responsible and reasonable yoruba people who have refused to join the tinibu bandwagon. Any reasonable honest person knows tinibu will be more worse than buhari he doesn't have anything to offer.

To win presidential election is much more complex than this sir.

shiwex:
If by now you are still waiting for God to come and show you the that Tinubu is not the man for Nigeria , then you are economically shallow. What Nigeria needs are people that have been proven to be achievers. It is obvious that people like Tinubu have nothing to offer Nigeria. If you are still thinking Tinubu is the saviour, you need to get your head checked out, Vote Tinubu if you like, Nigerians like suffering anyway. Countries like Rwanda, Ghana are moving ahead of Nigeria you are still thinking of Voting Tinubu..The mere fact that Tinubu is associated with a failure like Buhari has even disqualified him...

Unfortunately the constition give every citizen the right to aspire to be president and not just 'the people's that have been proven to be achievers'

By the ways, what stop these people that have been proven to be achievers from running for the presidency?

SouthMustBeFree:
Sane people are speaking up, while the urchins are cheering him up. Unfortunately, many of this online nuiscance who are shouting Tinubu 2023 were little children back in 1999 when he reigned as governor of Lagos yet they shout Tinubu blindly simply because he is a Yoruba man not because he is capable. Forget all the manipulative and deceptive tendencies of Tinubu that he is a technocrat and can harvest young minds to do great job how many have done anything great?

Same Tinubu that vowed Fashola will not do 8 years because he felt the man wasn't towing his path of corruption. He abruptly ended the tenure of Ambode for same reason only God knows the fate of this one there now. Las las we are here to see how it will play out come 2023.

By now, you people demonizing Tinubu ought to have come up with your candidate whose morality is at par with that of Angel Gabriel and has the magic wand to solve all the problems in this country.


Campaigning against Tinubu will not necessarily leads to the emergence of a good leader. It's the campaign for the right leader that will

Superboss:
"The Agberos system of government in Lagos State will be the type of government Tinubu will operate if given the opportunity to lead the country. It will be a system where hoodlums will be empowered with arms to mob opposition members and critics as they always do during and even after elections.".............
He had said it all.
They never see anything. Under Tinubu, hyperinflation will be an understated word.
He who has ears, let him listen.

How many millions of Nigerian voters believe in what you just said?

iKingsley:
It beats my imagination how a reasonable person will even think of voting Tinubu as the next President of Nigeria after all that has happened.

Tinubu is not fit to be the next leader of Nigeria

Most people that hold this kinds of opinions apparently have good ideas of how Nigeria should be. However wishful thinking are different from realities.


Tinubu, like all other citizens have the right to aspire to be president and they are actively exercising this right BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTIVE IN THE POLITICS OF THEIR COUNTRIES.

Idealists and arm-chairs critics are often not members of any political parties, they don't attend meetings and/or rallies of these parties let alone Congress or primaries of any political parties but somehow still believe that they can dictate for those actively participate in party politics on who they should chose as their parties' flag bearers.

It's very difficult to effect changes from outside the corridors of powers by writing against a particular aspirant.

bigpicture001:
Guy, u are much informed that those who just prefer criticism and insult .. they no next to nothing on these matter.. just action with emotions...

Now u pointed out some good fact..

1. U made them know Lagos State revenue allocation was not seized. It's rather Lagos State local government revenue that was seized..

2. U made them understand that Tinubu didn't initially create the LCDA instead it was LGA..

3. But u still disagree on whom the money was disburse to

Obasanjo (he and Murtalar organized the 1976 Local Gov'ts Reform which recommended a single type of Local Gov'ts for the whole country and that this should be put into the constition) pointed out that if States are allowed to create LGAs, each State will want to create as many as they can because Local Gov'ts are now used to distribute revenues and sharing of the national cake.

In true Federalism, Local Gov'ts are agents of the State Gov't to bring development close to their people.

Kano and Jigawa States were one State in 1979-1983 and Lagos State was also one State.

Today, Lagos still remain one State with 20 LGAs while Kano (after Jigawa was carved out of it in 1991) now have 44 LGAs.

Each State shout create as many LGAs as they want but should be responsible for funding them. LGAs should be removed from the constition and not be used as basis for sharing revenues.

bigpicture001:
Bros.. use ur laptop is not for film alone... There is a big difference between a state government which tinubu heads and a local government which someone else heads during tinubu time in office...

Tinubu is not meant to use the local government allocation, it's not his. He is sent his own separate state allocation.. which was never seized... But he swop on gullible people like u who are fanatics to cry foul that he didn't do any infrastructure because FG seized his allocation.

By the way.. do u know tinubu Fought the FG bribing judges that sat in Lagos courts and made them rule that local government election must be conducted by state government electoral body which he also fight to get...

20year down the lane..has it improved anything politically aside allowing governor bully local government chiarman and stealing all their money...

Tinubu is an orchestrator of corrupt practices... He is so good at it that you guyz mistake it for heroim...

Your third shows that you have a superficial understanding of the subject matter.

The courts, up to the Supreme Court simply validated the stand of Lagos State that the CONSTITUTION vest the creation and control of Local Gov'ts, including the conduct of elections into the Local Gov'ts in the States.

It's a constitutional matter and not just the schemes of Tinubu.


In the Independence constitution and through out the First Republic , Local Gov'ts were never written in the constition and were not basis for sharing centrally collected revenues. Back then, each Region created the numbers of Local Gov'ts they deemed fit , conducted elections into them and funded them. In some Local Gov'ts, certain Traditional Rulers were made the Chairman of the councils were some had elected chairmen e.g Agege Local Council, Lagos Town Council

In 1976, the Murtalar Muhammed /Obasanjo Military Regime centralized local Gov'ts in Nigeria and incorporated them into the constition and also make them the third tier of Governments to be used as basis for sharing revenues, awarding constituencies etc.

NairaMaster1:
My brother, we are not ready to change this country for better. One fire is burning us and we are preparing the one that will consume us.

We are ready to change only on social media.

You see, nobody gives you power or leave the corridors of power for the opponents.


Majority of the people that are opposed to Tinubu and people like him need to leave the social media and join political parties with all seriousness.

It's very difficult to effect meaning changes from outside the system.

obynzo:
What defines a progressive? You guys don't know what progressive means in the true sense of the word. Lagos should have been competing with the likes of Johannesburg, Casablanca and Caira but alas and sadly it cannot even compete with Monrovia that just came out from War or even Accra or Lome in terms of Infrastructure and liveable city indices. All because of one man's stranglehold on the state's treasury. And here you are echoing progressive............... SMH that is why we will forever remain under the bondage of these leaders, see how you are openly marketing a thief.

You may not like Tinubu but the assumption that he is the reason why Lagos is not able to compete with all the cities you mentioned are nothing but a fallacy.

Anyone who understands the structural and economic architecture of Lagos in particular and Nigeria in general will know that Lagos can't develop more than certain levels if the rest of Nigeria aren't also developing.

If 50% of the people in Lagos leave to other States, Lagos will amazingly look far better than what it is.


Most of the greatest opponents of Tinubu are only active online and they like to approach political matters from emotional points of views.


To defeat Tinubu and other people like him, more educated and enlightened youths need to join political parties (I am not talking of forming a youth party that is only active on social media).

Recently I tried to join politics but I was surprised by my findings...over 80% of the members of the APC, PDP and other parties are made up of employed and barely educated youths, market women, artisans, thugs, Okada riders and people who don't buy or read newspapers or listen to News on Channels, AIT, Arise or TVCs.

bigpicture001:
You are just pained by the truth... Anyways, your life, your decision

To be sincere, the guy is correct.


Most of the avid opponents of Tinubu are only active online and they can't influence the outcomes of elections in their streets even without rigging.


If most of you guys can register with and regularly attend meetings of a political party, then come together as a mass movement , you can effect the desired changes you want by supporting a vibrant youth for the presidency.

Most of the well educated and enlightened youths of this country don't participate in the political processess of recruiting leaders for their communities, States and country at large.

tnerro1:
The north go hear am when south comes to power in 2023. I can see a joint effort of southern politicians in both APC and PDP to make sure power comes to the south. The first thing the southern president will do is to appoint a southerner as police IG and ARMY chief and also AGF will go to the south. After that state police and restructuring will start. The north go hear word by force .

A southern president and a southern AGF will support the collection of VATs by States and implement the anti open grazing law of southern states.

The north go hear word by force in 2023

I hope you know that all these policies will also favour the North?

PrinceOfLagos:
Everybody dey cash out from Tinubu

I pity the man , Dem go chop him money finish clean mouth and vote for another candidate

What is the name of that other candidate sir?

kettykin:
Some other people have paid bigger prices than Tinubu and ought to be recognized. Tinubu has Lagos treasury for sponsorship of NADECO

These other people are recognized but I doubt if they are in the race for the 2023 presidency.

kettykin:
That someone financed NADECO is no reason to hand over the Nigerian presidency to such a fellow
While Tinubu was on a self imposed exile there were group 34 eminent politicians who did not brun away but stoood their ground to request Abacha to hand over to a democratic government. Non of them got rewarded with even a governorship position.

Tinubu has already been rewarded with Lagos state governorship post for 8 years and Lagos state treasury for his life time, is this not enough reward already

Nobody is being rewarded or will be rewarded for anything.

The election will be keenly contested.

I will also like to contest for the same election, if I have enough money and the youth of this country can support me.

bigpicture001:
Why did tinubu rescind on his affirmative stands of creating more local government in Lagos just four months to exit office..

He was there after paid more than 160billion naira meant for local government and he concerned it all...

He also still sued the FG to force FG to release the may allocation of his last month in office to him instead of fashola...

See, it's not about politics, it's about the man himself.. he is too corrupt and dubious

This wasn't what happened.

1) Around 2002, Lagos, Ogun, Oyo, Yobe and some other States created Local Gov'ts as specified in constitution.

2) The last part of the constitutional lay down process require the State to forward the newly created LGAs to the National Assembly so that the NA can add them to the list of the LGAs in the fifth schedule of the Constitution.
Lagos State compiled by submitting the names for listening to the N.A but the N.A refused to act on it.

3) Meanwhile, Obasanjo and the PDP were strongly opposed to the creation of more LGAs. Obasanjo ,who regarded himself far superior to other political actors at the time (and truly he was) didn't like to be questioned on matters of Gov't policies, so he mounted pressure on the States to scrapped their newly created LGAs stating that the matter can causes unnecessary rivalries among States and will heat up the polity. Other States succumbed to Obasanjo's pressure except Lagos.

4) Then Obasanjo directed that the Local Gov't Fund for Lagos be stopped. The LASG under Tinubu took the matter to court which dragged on for years.
5) Around early 2007, the Supreme Court ruled that

a) the LGAs created by Lagos weren't actually illegal but the process of creating them were in complete ,so they can exist while awaiting their listing by the N.A
b) that Obasanjo had no power to seize council funds meant for Lagos and the accumulated fund should be released to the State.

6) Obasanjo said he accepted the court ruling but he still refused to release the fund, giving the excuse that the original councils have been dissolved and he didn't know who to release the fund to.

7) Eminent Legal scholars led by Prince Bola Ajibola intervened by proposing a compromise in which the newly created councils will become Local Council Development Areas (LCDAs) under the old councils which should revert back to their Identities.

President Yar'Adua came to power on May, 29, 2007 and promised to accept and implement the court ruling, so he directed that the money be released (in tranches) to Lagos and this was done between July,2007-2008 long after Tinubu has left office.