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So you can dash a whole ethnic group a new identity and zone them to another ethnic group?
Bukola Saraki and Emir Kolapo Gambari are Yoruba men of Fulani ancestry (Yoruba-fulani) just as PMB and Yar'Adua are Hausa men of Fulani ancestry.

igbodefender:
Yes, it does. They are Yorubas of the North, but full blooded Yorubas, just as Bukola Saraki and Emir Kolapo Sulu Gambari of Illorin are Fulani's despite choice of first name.

But I am not Igbo nau.

schoolboij:
unfortunately for you, he lambasted IBO's in the said article. he called your elders foolish who have been conquered and made to pay for your foolishness. he reiterated the IBO coup which you have always denied. he said a lot of bad things about IBO's but you'll rather focus on Yoruba.

Its a great naivity to expect a fixed outcome in political permutations...What if the S/south demand for their own Republic,independent of Biafra?

Noneroone:
read my post well. i never argued that SS minorities will just join SE in Biafra. my arguement is simple- SS Igbos may be comfortable in a seperate region as long as SE Igbos remain in Nigeria. They know the presence of SE gives them some kind of security and removes their fear, but when it comes to an issue as permanent as independence, SE exit will trigger some sort of chain reaction. eg Asaba pple who are hardcore Biafrans will be quite vocal in demanding to join BIAFRA and when they join, the IKA will join them for sake of Anioma unity. Again, Obigbo, etche and egbema areas in Rivers are more passionate about Biafra than the rest and of a fact, you dont mean to tell me the Ikwerres will stay behind when those who have been their neighbours throughout history are joining a whole new country. i cant really predict the non Igbo SS group that will join but when PH 'falls' to Biafra, many south south minority groups who see the place as their rallying point might opt to join.The urhobo and itshekiri are off my assumption therefore idont see them joining. therefore my assumption is that the reaction will follow this pattern--SE Igbos demand to exit-- SS Igbos join them-- SS minorities demand to join SS Igbos. i never said SS minorities will expressly join SE without SS Igbos joining. but the north's fear is that SS Igbos will certainly join SE b'cos of fear.

Sen Nurudeen OBATEMI and so-many Ebiras in Kogi State bear Yoruba names, does that make Ebira a subset of Yoruba ethnic group?
Ikwerre has many dialects, so for non-ikwerres to be insisting they must belong to a particular tribe is very funny.
Only Ikwerres can decide who they are but to be honest, I see them as an almagam of Igbo, Ijaw, Ogoni and some Edo groups.

modik:
Lol.

I guess you mean their inclusion into Biafra and not their ancestral Igbo heritage.

Except you are saying Amechi and Wike or Odili are no longer Igbo names.?

The discourse is Indigenous people and not Nigerian geographical delineation.

I can feel the extent divide and rule policy has affected our perception of our indigenous heritage. That is wickedness to say the least!

So what's the way forward and what should be done about this?

AkinEgba:
You said its fake? Okay here's the full story below


In sum, the Yoruba political leadership, as mentioned by Balarabe Musa, has shown itself over the years to be incapable of rising above narrow tribal interests and reciprocating goodwill from other sections of the country by treating other groups with respect. Practically every crisis in Nigeria since independence has its roots in this attitude.

The Yoruba elite and area-boy politics;
Igbo marginalisation and the responsible limits of retribution; and
The Yoruba Factor and "Area-boy" Politics.

My views on the Yoruba political leadership have been thoroughly articulated in some of my writings, prime among which was " Afenifere: Syllabus of Errors" published by This Day (The Sunday Newspaper) on Sept 27, 1998. There was also an earlier publication in the weekly Trust entitled " The Igbo, the Yoruba and History" (Aug. 21, 1998).

In sum, the Yoruba political leadership, as mentioned by Balarabe Musa, has shown itself over the years to be incapable of rising above narrow tribal interests and reciprocating goodwill from other sections of the country by treating other groups with respect. Practically every crisis in Nigeria since independence has its roots in this attitude.

The Yoruba elite were the first, in 1962, to attempt a violent overthrow of an elected government in this country. In 1966, it was the violence in the West which provided an avenue for the putsch of 15th January. After Chief Awolowo lost to Shagari in 1983 elections, it was the discontent and bad publicity in the South-West which led to the Buhari intervention.

When Buhari jailed UPN governors like Ige and Onabanjo, the South-Western press castigated that good government and provided the right mood for IBB to take over power. As soon as IBB cleared UPN governors of charges against them in a politically motivated retrial, he became the darling of the South-West. When IBB annulled the primaries in which Adamu Ciroma and Shehu Yar Adua emerged as presidential candidates in the NRC and SDP, he was hailed by the South-West. When the same man annulled the June 12, 1993 elections in which Abiola was the front-runner, the South-West now became defenders of democracy.

When it seemed Sani Abacha was sympathetic to Abiola, the South-West supported his take-over. He was in fact invited by a prominent NADECO member to take over in a published letter shortly before the event. Even though Abiola had won the elections in the North, the North was blamed for its annulment. When Abdulsalam Abubakar started his transition, the Yoruba political leadership through NADECO presented a memorandum on a Government of National Unity that showed complete disrespect for the intelligence and liberties of other Nigerians.

Subsequently, they formed a tribal party which failed to meet minimum requirements for registration, but was registered all the same to avoid the violence that was bound to follow non-registration, given the area-boy mentality of South-West politicians. Having rejected an Obasanjo candidacy and challenged the election as a fraud in court, we now find a leading member of the AD in the government, a daughter of an Afenifere leader as Minister of State, and Awolowo´s daughter as Ambassador, all appointed by a man who won the election through fraud.

Meanwhile, nothing has been negotiated for the children of Abiola, the focus of Yoruba political activity. In return for these favours, the AD solidly voted for Evan Enwerem as Senate President. This is a man who participated in the two-million- man March for Abacha´s self-succession. He also is reputed to have hosted a meeting of governors during IBB´s transition, demanding that June 12 elections should never be de-annulled and threatening that the East would go to war if this was done. When Ibrahim Salisu Buhari was accused of swearing to a false affidavit, the Yoruba political elite correctly took up the gauntlet for his resignation.

When an AD governor, Bola Tinubu, swears to a false affidavit that he attended an Ivy League University which he did not attend, we hear excuses.

For so many years, the Yoruba have inundated this country with stories of being marginalised and of a civil service dominated by northerners through quota system. The Federal Character Commission has recently released a report which shows that the South-West accounts for 27.8% of civil servants in the range GL08 to GL14 and a full 29.5% of GL 15 and above. One zone out of six zones controls a full 30% of the civil service leaving the other five zones to share the remaining 70%. We find the same story in the economy, in academia, in parastatals.

Yet in spite of being so dominant, the Yoruba complained and complained of marginalization. Of recent, in recognition of the trauma which hit the South-West after June 12, the rest of the country forced everyone out of the race to ensure that a South-Westerner emerged, often against the best advice of political activists.

Instead of leading a path of reconciliation and strong appreciation, the Yoruba have embarked on short-sighted triumphalism, threatening other "nationalities" that they ( who after all lost the election) will protect Obasanjo ( who was forced on them). No less a person than Bola Ige has made such utterances.

To further show that they were in charge, they led a cult into the Hausa area of Sagamu, murdered a Hausa woman and nothing happened. In the violence that followed, they killed several Hausa residents, with Yoruba leaders like Segun Osoba, reminding Nigerians of the need to respect the culture of their host communities. This would have continued were it not for the people of Kano who showed that they could also create their own Oro who would only be appeased through the shedding of innocent Yoruba blood.
I say all this, to support Balarabe Musa´s statement, that the greatest problem to nation-building in Nigeria are the Yoruba Bourgeoisie. I say this also to underscore my point that until they change this attitude, no conference can solve the problems of Nigeria. We cannot move forward if the leadership of one of the largest ethnic groups continues to operate, not like statesmen, but like common area boys.
iii.The Igbo Factor and the Reasonable Limits of Retribution.

The Igbo people of Nigeria have made a mark in the history of this nation. They led the first successful military coup which eliminated the Military and Political leaders of other regions while letting off Igbo leaders. Nwafor Orizu, then Senate President, in consultation with President Azikiwe, subverted the constitution and handed over power to Aguiyi-Ironsi. Subsequent developments, including attempts at humiliating other peoples, led to the counter-coup and later the civil war. The Igbos themselves must acknowledge that they have a large part of the blame for shattering the unity of this country.
Having said that, this nation must realise that Igbos have more than paid for their foolishness. They have been defeated in war, rendered paupers by monetary policy fiat, their properties declared abandoned and confiscated, kept out of strategic public sector appointments and deprived of public services. The rest of the country forced them to remain in Nigeria and has continued to deny them equity.
The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have conspired to keep the Igbo out of the scheme of things. In the recent transition when the Igbo solidly supported the PDP in the hope of an Ekwueme presidency, the North and South-West treated this as a Biafra agenda. Every rule set for the primaries, every gentleman´s agreement was set aside to ensure that Obasanjo, not Ekwueme emerged as the candidate. Things went as far as getting the Federal Government to hurriedly gazette a pardon. Now, with this government, the marginalistion of the Igbo is more complete than ever before. The Igbos have taken all these quietly because, they reason, they brought it upon themselves. But the nation is sitting on a time-bomb.
After the First World War, the victors treated Germany with the same contempt Nigeria is treating Igbos. Two decades later, there was a Second World War, far costlier than the first. Germany was again defeated, but this time, they won a more honourable peace. Our present political leaders have no sense of History. There is a new Igbo man, who was not born in 1966 and neither knows nor cares about Nzeogwu and Ojukwu. There are Igbo men on the street who were never Biafrans. They were born Nigerians, are Nigerians, but suffer because of actions of earlier generations. They will soon decide that it is better to fight their own war, and may be find an honourable peace, than to remain in this contemptible state in perpetuity.

The Northern Bourgeoisie and the Yoruba Bourgeoisie have exacted their pound of flesh from the Igbos. For one Sardauna, one Tafawa Balewa, one Akintola and one Okotie-Eboh, hundreds of thousands have died and suffered.

If this issue is not addressed immediately, no conference will solve Nigeria´s problems. By Sanusi Lamido Sanusi.

Being Excerpts from A Paper Presented At The “National Conference On The 1999 Constitution” Jointly Organised By The Network For Justice And The Vision Trust Foundation, At The Arewa House, Kaduna From 11th –12th September, 1999.http://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/yorubas-are-the-problem-with-nigeria-by-sanusi-lamido-sanusi-elombah-com.111348/


https://www.nairaland.com/2297511/yorubas-problem-nigeria-sanusi-lamido

Although, I am in support of the electoral defeat of the APC in the Osun bye-election but the conduct of Alh Fatai Diekola is very similar to the Late Lamidi Adedibu in Ibadan and no sane person and Government should tolerate this.

Alh Fatai Diekola Oyedele ,a grassroot mobilizer no doubt ,has a propensity to destabilize the peaceful atmosphere of Oshogbo by sponsoring political thugs like De-Law (Lawrence Dada) and others .
He has since being invited by the police long before the July 08 bye-election.

dodelight:
Only you, stateboys and outsiders will buy this lie. We people of osun state know he was arrested for mocking Aregbe's defeat. Yes, it was antiparty, but in sensible climes suspension or alienation was the deserving punishment, and not using the state apparatus to intimidate.

What if I declare that I support Biafra and that WE will declare Ebira Republic 3 months after Biafra, that mean, Ebira and Biafra have agreed to secede from Nigeria together?

IPOB is a PDP special unit.

Babacele:
Op I'm surprised that you are surprised. Ipobs are PDP renegades and many of them actually work for the 'Hausa-fulani' leaders they want you to believe forcefully that they hate. ....ipobs are shameless hypocrites.

So have elevated yourselves to the status of God?

SharkTank:
See this one. Without us you guys are nothing. Go and take a good look at the other sw states that doesn't have the ibo presence that Lagos has and you'll see backwardness personified

My igbo ex-GF, use to call me that too and I used to answer (even though I knew it was a derogatory term), we will then laugh over it...sometimes love can be blind

Ralphlauren:
I agree.

Do you know that for a very long time I never knew "ofemmannu" was an insult and very derogatory?

I had so called Ibo "friends" years back that actually called me that and I would sheepishly smile back? Chai.

Your guess is as good as mine on what I did/said to these so called "friends" when I found out what that word meant.

God bless you a million times!

raumdeuter:
WHo is united because of any SOuth to start with

Ibos have always betrayed the South since 1960 when they chose Balewa over Awolowo, 1979 they chose Shagari over Awolowo, in 1993 they chose Tofa over Abiola. They now have the guts to shout over some useless unity

God punish una

There was no zoning in the APC presidential primary as Gov Rochas Okorocha contested in the primary and came 4th.

laplace12:
Take that slavery message to your kinsmen.

You stand against ethnicity in politics but you see nothing wrong in APC zoning their presidential candidacy to the north.

Leaving competent men like fashola and Amechi behind to pick a senile old man to deliver a world class change in this 21st century.

Settlers, not indigenous.
Strictly speaking,the Fulanis aren't indigenous to Nigeria.

YorubaMuslims:
There are Fulani indigene in Kwara

Why are Edo, Nupe, Ebira, Tiv, Jukun and Bariba tribes not included in Biafra?

agaba77:
op, Biafra is based on an ideology of JUSTICE/Fairness and equality not on tribe or race. Biafrans believe in competition and progress which is not case in nigeria and has never been the case. Biafra is a mindset not a geographical expression.

Dr Ndagi Abdullahi is NOT a Yoruba man and he is most likely a Nupe man.

You people always shout Afonja whenever anyone disagrees with you as if all non-igbos on Nairaland must be Yoruba people.

sean1000x:
Afonja....disturbed that Igbos have Jewish ancestry.

Davido has already left HKN
Label for him and others while he (Davido) has set up his new label but they still sing together (collabo) since they are first cousins.

BarakOkenny:
Watch the dude severe himself off the HKN label servitude real soon, and proceed to set and start up his own, record label, with our collective national cake, he'd receive from his dad.

This is Enugu, the address of the shop give it out!
Some IPOB tribal bigots like to claim that there is no brown roofs in Igbo land.

diadem10:
Osu incinerator

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/718/21842978189_84089bf4da_b.jpg

Very dirty people! Spits!

Why are there no Emirates in Saudi Arabia?
If you are truly a Muslim, you ought to know that there is a difference between Muslims living under a secular state e.g Morocco and Muslims living under an Islamic theocracy (emirate) e.g Afghanistan under the Taliban rule

ejanla077:
so why no emirate all over yoruba land.

note I'm a yoruba muslim

OK, we have heard you... Now clap for yourself

evilyoruba:
I have officially named afonjas SNAKE CHAMERS because they don't know what they want out of one Nigeria... They are neither here nor there...they are confused lots

Abeg who is this Demola Ajayi self?
Is he the man with tribal marks?
Anti-yorubas on Nairaland has really made his face popular.




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Igboesika:
I wish Demola Ajayi was a nairalandrer. D man don suffer no b small.
Indeed, he's real representative of afonjass not Tinubu .

Which States has Peter Obi or Ike Ekweremadu visited to commiserate with the families of those killed? Why didn't you complain about their non-visit?

DieBuhari:
The fool actually visited Enugu.
All for political purposes
https://www.nairaland.com/3662046/kwankwaso-enugu-over-northern-cattle

Why are some people annoyed with Sen Kwankwaso's visit?
He has gone to commiserate with the families of the deceased killed by Cameroonian gendarmen and some people are complaining.
Why didn't you people tell San David Mark to go and commiserate with the families of Benue indigenes killed by Fulani herdsmen?

Bashiru, yesi l'omi bawi?
ijesha nii meere,mera f'owo is jiwe ile baba mi (in our Ijesha dialect)

bashydemy:
Hahhaa keep impersonating boy.

Nnamdi KANU forgot to add Lagos State since Igbos own 70% of the economy and 50% of the population of Lagos State.

Osun peoples no longer like Aregbe, he mismanaged the good will

No, you got it wrong. I am an omoluabi Osun.

bashydemy:
Are you voting from your cave in your mud erosion?

Osun is truly an APC State but in this Osun west bye-election, we are supporting Adeleke (protest votes) to send a strong message to Aregbesola

You don't know what you are saying sir.
Ademola Adeleke will win, so that we can send a strong message to Aregbesola and APC.
Osun peoples should not be taken for a ride, we want better governance because Aregbe has derailed since he won second term.

Basic123:
Abi ooo.he has no selling point apart fom that.People say Aregbe killed his brother.But me I believe the man actually killed his brother so as to replace him.

Fantasy have its own merit

Some funny people will still blame Tinubu for this.

Which part of all these are you doing?

Benoxvals:
Work on uninterrupted electricity in the country..
Import production machines/devices..
Set up factories and employ people...
Put our raw materials to good use...
Export finished products instead...
How difficult is this(?)

There are too many kids on this forum...its almost becoming impossible to have intellectual discussion/debate on this forum without them polluting it with childish inter-tribal contest ,often laced with insults,gutter languages and unintelligent caricatures