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asha 80:
@bronx dog

You have issues

Real issues!

Don't you find it interesting that always on Nairaland, unintelligent folks with very poor language are always the ones supporting mediocrity, while those with logical reasoning,well articulated and constructive arguments are the ones that support excellence.

Keyamo has failed to realize that in the court of public opinion, the emphasis on proof/evidence does not hold as much weight as that of reason. Keyamo is a Lawyer and has tried to defend himself legally.
We the public don't care nothing for specific evidence or documents.We are not the Judiciary. Afterall,documents can easily be forged.
We look at the presentations and decide for ourselves what we feel the facts are.
And in my opinion, Sowore has more facts and credibility than Keyamo.


[quote author=bronx_dog link=topic=217342.msg3326745#msg3326745 date=1231672561]Sowore, the man Sowore - he was my Student Union President in University of Lagos, 1994 - the man who has eyes and nose for controversies - hmmm- the man who in the pretest of going abroad for medical treatment, now, ten years after, now writes and says he is fighting for Nigeria- fighting for Nigeria my small moda foking butt hole - [b]these people are nothing, he studies Geography in school, he couldnt make anything out of Geography, he ran out of Nigeria [/b]and became one of those diasporians who runs the country down in the pretext of fighting for in justice, why not bring your butt hole down to Nigeria and fight, if you realy think you are fighting.[/quote]@bronx_dog
Don't you find it interesting that the man Sowore, who you refer to as a 'nothing man" who studied geography is respected enough to get a lengthy reply from "the reknowned lawyer" Keyamo. Try writing Keyamo a letter, lets see if you get a reply! By any count, you have no moral justification to speak on success where Sowore stands.
The man Sowore is a success by any count and he is making massive impact from his base in US.
Asides, I think most high profile corrupt officials would now think twice before embezzling for the fear of Sahara Reporters.

idupaul:
poster

SHUT UP

We Nigerians!!

I think the problem is more with Nigerians than it is with the Government or the Local or Multinational companies!
The two biggest culprits are the graduates themselves and the lecturers that tutored them.
If you were an employer, you would know that Nigeria's biggest problem is in it's very poor Human Capital.
An employer wants the best for his Organization, so he would naturally employ a Nigerian expatriate which by most parameters are much better than on the Job than Nigerian graduates.

Don't you know that loads of the graduates produced by Nigerian Universities don't have an inkling of what to do on the Job!
Many come on board, not half baked, but quite empty!

And the reasons are plenty.Many graduates cheated/bribed their way through university.
Those that didn't cheat/bribe, were taught without any form of practicality, just some nonsense old school theoreticals!

So I ask these few questions:
Whose fault is it that instead of going through the rigors of education, some students choose to cheat/bribe their way through?
Is it the Government, the companies or the students/lecturers?
The only way government failed in that regard is not prosecuting those involved!
Even if the multinationals sponsored such universities, the students would still bribe their way through.

Whose fault is it that everybody wanted to study cliche "proper" courses like Medicine, Law, Engineering,etc and when they couldn't, they had to manage cliche "second-rate" courses like Botany, Philosophy and Building Technology,etc?
What happens is that people that study these so called "second rate" courses end up never really paying attention, first because they think its useless and second because they assume they'll never make use of it. They end up empty!
I'll blame that on the Parents for their emphasis on the so called first rates and the Students for not giving their best.Not the Government or the Local companies.

Whose fault is it that many graduates cannot construct a full sentence? Is it the Government or the Companies

I think the problem is mainly a cultural one. Culturally, the stereotypical Nigerian is averse to excellence. Our culture promotes an easy way to everything.
We would rather find a short cut-no matter how wrong, than go through the process required to excel.

And this attitude always has consequences, one of which is the reason why  companies would always prefer Nigerian expatriates over local graduates.

I'm not in anyway trying to absolve government of complicity.

Woooooooooooowww!!!!!!

Nice and thoughtful article.
I also watched many of the stories about Nigeria. Infact I watched one on BBC yesterday about the Niger Delta. CNN's Inside Africa this week also focuses on the Niger Delta. Most of those news stories are very one sided, unreliable and and don't paint the true picture.
So in essence, they are not dependable sources for information on Nigeria. Infact, Nairaland gives a much, much fuller picture of Nigeria!

Much of the points you raised, though very thoughtful, they are actually misrepresented- a result of the one sided western media!
In General, your observations and contributions are marvelous, however, Nigeria has a very complex political construction, which in itself has short circuited our ability to unleash this country's potenntial.
Let me pin point some areas you raised, maybe it would explain better the complexities of Nigeria and why the simple suggestions you offered might not cut it with Nigeria.

Eg

lipuka:
In the recent days, the international media has come up with some very interesting stories from Nigeria. Firts, there was a story about the expansion of Calabar by the Federal Government of Nigeria.

The expansion of Calabar is not by the Federal Government but by the Cross River State Government. Infact, for useless Geo-political reasons, the incumbent Federal Government refused to sign a Law that would grant a free trade zone status to Tinapa- the $400 million dollar investment that is supposed to serve as a catalyst to the expansion of Calabar. The project has been built and commisioned , but is laying wasted waiting for 2 years now for the Federal Government to approve!

lipuka:
. . . . .  With the oil revenue. Nigeria could start some petro-chemical industries. These would in themselves, start other industries. It is strange that Nigeria produces oil, but does not have an oil refinery. Kenya does not produce oil, but has an oil refinery that serves most East and Central African countries. Some of the refined oil is infact, from Nigeria! And with the oil revenue, Nigeria could improve the infrastructure.

Nigeria has two amongst the Largest petrochemical plants in Africa. . . Eleme and Warri Petrochemicals. However, its sad that for corruption and other political nuisances, by-product chemical industries have not evolved as a result of these plants.
Also, Nigeria has four massive Refineries with capacity of almost 400,000 barrels of refined crude daily. But these refineries are producing below capacity.
The reason is simple- it is very lucrative  for politicians to import refined fuel, very, very lucrative.

It would be too simplistic to assume that Nigeria hasn't progressed because of lack of know-how. Nigeria has more than enough professionals.
Bottomline is that the ruling class and their cronies thrive on the failures of the Nigerian system, so any attempt to better that system would be confrontational to those wielding power.This is the problem with Nigeria.

So, the three points I tried to get across are:
1)The international media has a very depressed way of looking at Nigeria-very flawed.So it is not a dependable source.
2)The problems of Nigeria are not simplistic, but very complex because of the political and tribal composition of the country.
3)Corruption is the key problem, not a lack of knowledge.

and finally, the Niger Delta is not as poor as it is made out to be, as it's citizens have amongst the highest per Ca pita GDP in Africa and it's Cities are amongst the richest.
It's problem is not GDP, but GWB or "Gross Well Being"- which I must admit is pretty low!

This is actually one of the most thoughtful articles I've read on Nairaland, considering especially that it is coming from a foreigner.

Hehe, auwal you are a clown!!

Frizy:
Our Imams condemns any form of terrorist harshness towards Muslims and Non-Muslims living in the Muslim territory. When Israel and America stops their military bully that is the time we can have peace. I don't get you guys, do you expect Hamas to fold their hands, smile at Israel, and exchange pleasantries when Israel's action within the region is only terrorism? No light in Gaza, Israel has started bombing hospitals, 530 people are killed in cold blood. But only 1 solider of Israel and 4 civilians have been killed by Hamas or resistance movement. Palestinians are throwing stones to the tanks that invaded their land 3 days ago. How do you justify this equality? How  

I also don't get you Frizy,do you expect Israel to fold their hands, smile at Hamas and exchange pleasantries when Hamas action within the region is only terrorism?

I hate to use numbers to quantify life, but compare 530 people killed in more than one week (of which majority are Hamas militants) to almost a thousand killed in Jos in just 2 days of senseless killings!
Now Mr Frizy, please show me one post of yours where you condemned the killing of your fellow Nigerians in Jos. Just one post!

I do not like that Isreal is bombarding Palestine, but I'll probably do the same if I'm surrounded by people who believe I should be driven into the Sea.

It was blunder not to have spent anything on infrastructure, a big blunder. The problem is if money was released for infrastructure, they would have blundered the money as usual!
At the same time, it is very important to have lots of credit(reserves) to ensure that investors and business partners of Nigeria have some confidence!

Sad that Soludo would have to leave in May this year. I wonder who the next CBN Governor would be and what intelligence he would have to handle the coming crisis.
I hope we don't get to that point where government would be delaying salaries and imports would be hard to finance.
God help Nigeria!

The solution to our power problems might just be Clean Nuclear technology.
No, not the type of Large Nuclear plants available today. Not those plants that take 10+ years to build. Not those Uranium rich plants that are a danger to Humanity.

I'm talking about Clean Mini Nuclear plants that are so small they can be delivered via 20ft shipping containers. They have a very large capacity and are very durable, safe and clean.These small plants can power 20,000 homes

A company in the US has been licensed by the US government to commercialize the production of these plants and the first shipment would be ready in the next 4years. They have about 100 orders already.

Stats
Generating Capacity per plant= 25MW
Size= A car.
Cost= $25 Million
Number of Homes= About 20,000

Imagine a plant, the size of a generator, buried underground, powering 10-20,000 homes! Thats amazing!And your bills would be something like 150 dollars for the next 7 years!
Interestingly, you only have to refuel once in about seven years. [/b]This is really cheap.

Our average generation capacity in Nigeria is say about 2500MW give or take. That means that with one hundred of these plants we would have doubled our capacity. One hundred plants would cost only 2.5 billion dollars! Local Governments can easily afford $25 million dollars! and solve their power problems once and for all.

[b]The best part of it is that the company is targeting developing countries as some of it's potential clientele.
For those that think it's not safe, I bet you, the US government wouldn't license the technology and approve it to be sold to developing countries, if it isn't safe. It is very safe.

We should really look into this!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos

http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/

OutlukBabe:
Well, to me I feel by leaving the title as Renewable Energy, it will narrow the scope of the discussion. I will prefer it to be an open discussion about all the energy resources (Coal, Nuclear, Oil &Gas) and harnessing them.

You have made a wonderful observation, and your suggestion about expanding the electricity source to include wind and solar is interesting. The only problem is that wind energy, particularly for electricity will not be commercially feasible except in the highlands of Jos and Mambila, where wind speeds averaged morethan 10 m/s. For wind energy to be commerically viable, based on the current technologies, it requires at least 10 m/s of wind speed. However, the solar energy looks very promising. With the high intensity of sun, and average sun hours more than 10hrs throughout the year, solar power, either thermal or photovoltaic can play a significant role in meeting the energy needs. The government need to invest in production of solar photovoltaic. By doing that, millions of jobs will be created directly. In Jigawa and Yobe, which are sparsely populated with no trees, it will be usefull to utilized the land for electricty. Not only Jigawa, most of the far Northern states, like Sokoto, Zamfara, Katsina, Borno,  Northern- Bauchi state, and Kano will effectively generate their own electricity from solar. Fo instance, Germany, which happened to be in europe with relatively lower sun hours than Nigeria, generate morethan 900 MW electricy from solar PV. I believe by using the combine biomass and solar PV, the far northern states can be energy sufficient.

There are vast amount of energy resouces which if harnessed, Nigeria wont only be energy independent, but we will be industrial power house.

How about close to the ocean in the coastal states. I thought wind speed closer to the Oceans would be pretty fast. Educate me please.

tpia:
Was Nostradamus a Muslim?

am confused.

_{people just claim any tribe they want in this place sha.}

Funnily, Nostradamus was a Jew. A French Jew

@Charlesmud
Please never put Edo and Delta states amongst Yoruba states!
How far are you from the Nigerians reality?

bawomolo:
getting rich by taking advantage of people, riding a private jet while charging people exorbitant fees to enroll in your university is GODLY  

Lets look at this logically. A man runs an organisation with a membership of 5 million + people, 14000 offices worldwide in 110 countries and a private jet is supposed to be a big deal? Plssssssss!
Taking advantage of people, and yet those same people keep defending him? How come you are here fighting for their rights when:
1)[/b]They've never complained they are been taking advantage of and
[b]2) they'll so happily go next sunday and give more money!

Why not look at this whole thing properly and ask educative questions like
How come so many people troop to his services to hear him yet nobody listens to our government? How come their model is so successful, yet the Nigerian model is such a failure? How come he is able to wield so much influence?How come members give all these monies voluntarily yet the Government cannot get Nigerians to pay taxes?

I love that phrase by Busybein- 'Taking panadol for other peoples headache"

Jakumo:
Papa Browne I am relieved and delighted to hear that you have appointed yourself as the final arbiter of intelligence assessment here in the Nairaland forum.  My miserable life would be entirely devoid of meaning and purpose if I did not have a Big Daddy like you or Pastor Eunuch to approve and direct my every heartbeat and inhalation of oxygen.   

Papa, I must also confess that I had been toying with the idea of taxing my vestigial grey-matter with an attempt at a few original thought processes, but now that you have identified yourself as my philosophical and intellectual mentor, may I hereby seek your permission and blessing to engage in this strenuous and risky activity unsupervised ?

Also, how much longer do you think I will be required to wear this white conical dunce cap and sit in the corner like this ?

You wrote this to impress on me the need to include you amongst the "NL intelligentia'.
Well I think you are brilliant and you possess some literary prowess! But intelligent? No Mr Jakumo, No!
Reason been, your posts lack the basic tenets of intelligence- Logical reasoning, Abstract thinking, Subterranean Comprehension and most importantly, open mindedness. However, I restate the fact that you are very brilliant. But Intelligent? No Mr Jakumo, No!


And, yes I permit you. However, b4 you proceed, ensure that those vestigial properties have undergone evolution to a state-of-being where logical reasoning and abstract thinking mix freely with open mindedness.

For crying out loud, Newsweek recognises  Adeboye as an influential  world figure alongside Obama, Clintons, Bill Gates,Oprah and the likes  and you are here telling me about Law of Thermodynamics!! Pleeease!

I've followed and read through this thread and I've noticed something striking!
The supporters of Adeboye are far more intelligent and objective in their analysis than those against the Pastor.

Since the supporters of Adeboye(Gettysburg, Kobojunkie, busybein) are much more intelligent than those against him(Dayokanu, Jakumo, B.O.S.S) (at least on Nairaland), then I can confidently infer that the Pastor has a very strong and positive influence on his followers.

They are intelligent enough to know whether or not they are been conned, and none of them have said they've been conned, but they keep loving him and defending him even more. That tells you they are gaining so much from his leadership.

@Jakumo
Your points are very illogical and narrow-minded. Newsweek has said it all!Take it or leave it, they are the most reputable magazine alongside Time.
And did you notice that Adeboye, Obama and Oprah are the only Blacks on the list? Thats something peeps!

I think Fashola, Uduaghan and Ohakim are definitely the best.
I haven't been to Imo state, but Delta and Lagos states are definitely experiencing major changes!

ode remo:
i can die for my country, but i always wonder what will change after my death, will obj , ibb, odili,alams,and ors come clean for the betterment of the poor ?

Please oh, don't die for ur country oh! Your country is a contraption put together by Lord Lugard and the guy so disliked this place that he called it Nigeria- latin word for "Dark Area"!

GettysBurg:
@ post,

are you not out to steal our ideas, and use for your own benefits?

Naaah, Gettysburg. You probably didn't visit their website.

@ Mitnexus

I am mega impressed at what you firm does. I am a big fan of social entrepreneurship and I believe that's the only way forward for Africa.
FlipAfrica is great and the other social programs you run are good. The fact that your programs are geared towards enhancing talent in Africa is beautiful, beautiful stuff.
Please never get discouraged, what you guys do is the future!Keep it up.

OBVIOUS:
L O L!!!


I'm actually trying to understand the purpose of the question.

He stated it was an argument.

I have had exactly the same argument with someone. Kwara State is about 80% muslim, so you'd naturally wonder how a Christian is the most powerful politician, especially with all the religious bickering in Nigeria.

prop1:
How can i paste the picture?No sensible agent will post a pic of a property. How can?D home is a place where 1 should hav privacy instead of putting it on d net 4 d whole world 2 c. Come and c d house and b amazed.

Funny how we pride in our backwardness! C'mon man, with all the technology available these days, Nigerian agents still don't get it.
You'll close deals faster if you have pictures. Period!! It's done everywhere else in the world.
I noticed the reason most agents don't like posting pictures is because they are either 3rd or 4th party agents, probably never even seen the house and are just looking 2 milk some handsome commissions.

Wish you a good sale and a merry christmas!

earTHMama:

“Our demand is for the Federal Government to set up as a matter of urgency, a tripartite committee to negotiate and agree on this, so that the National Minimum Wage Act 2000 will be amended to reflect the new amount. [b]The National Minimum Wage Law should apply to any establishment employing 20 or more workers instead of the 50 workers currently stipulated by law.”

This NLC people sef, them no go school?

Can't they tell that an increase in minimum wage at this magnitude or even lower would crumble the already crippled manufacturing and services industry, then all the workers they were trying to fight for would lose their jobs?

To all those that support this nonsense without understanding the impact, let me explain in layman terms.

Lets take for example a small company- A Bakery. Production level= 4000 loaves/day. Turnover per day= N400,000, which is = 12,000,000 per month.
Let's assume they employ 60 workers with an average wage bill of N12,000/month  each, given the minimum wage of N7500.
This would amount to a total monthly wage bill of 60 workers X  N12,000 = N720,000.

With a turnover of N12 million/month, lets give them a healthy profit of 20%.This would mean a N2.4 million profit per month.

Fast forward to NLC increase of N52,000 Minimum.

Since N52,000 is the minimum, lets safely assume that N70,000 is the new average wage in the Bakery.
That sounds beautiful. All the workers would be so happy. N70,000 for a guy that was averaging 12,000 per month! Thats marvellous. The country would be better! Poor people now have a decent income! Nonsense, Nonsense, Nonsense.

Lets see what happens to the Bakery.
The bakery will now have a new monthly wage bill of N70,000 X 60 workers = 4.2 million Naira.
That is more than the profits the bakery usually makes. Thats a loss of about 1.1 million Naira in just the first month after applying the new minimum wage.

The bakery has just two choices. It will either close up shop or increase the price of it's bread exponentially to cover up for the new losses.

Now this will happen across all bakeries, hotels, bottled water factories,media houses and every other company that employs over 20 workers.

Prices of Goods would become unbearable, companies would have to shut down, and there would be no taxes for the government to pay workers salaries, pensions, contracts, etc. The economy would crumble.

NLC is deceiving gullible Nigerians. And sadly, that's more than 90 percent of the population.


P.S
I had to make this long and layman-like explanation to help those "gullible" folks to get at least an understanding!
The things NLC should demand for is the creation and implementation of a reliable infrastructural development policy.
The things NLC should demand for is creation of credible environment for companies to invest from whence good paying jobs would emerge.

Nice Idea Igwe. Great thinking.
You are a great mind. Peace be unto you!!

[quote author=Tha_dude link=topic=199997.msg3146907#msg3146907 date=1227792882]Malta and Newzealand, no other country can beat their friendliness.[/quote]Malta really does come to mind! They are the only country I know where they actually love Nigerians.

Hmmmm, this thread is tough!!

There is something called "private governance".
My people, make we start our own government.
Because Public Governance in Nigeria has finally been hanged with this list of ministers.
All of a sudden I sooooo miss OBJ!

landis:
this is useless effort. when the HEAD is rotten, everything else will rot.

where were they when FRAUDULENT yaradua was imposed on Nigerians?

and now they expect the same 'fraud president' to listen?? They must be jokers.

May be they want to line they own pocket with EGO.

Pessimism!!!!!!!!!

Seriously I hope this works. . . . its time those guys get the message that things seem to be getting bad!!

Firefox is the best.
And for the first time Google disappointed me with Chrome.
Looks like I'm gonna try Safari as many folks here seem 2 be recommending it.
As 4 explorer, that's a very wrong browser!

Frying pan to fire!!!!!!!!!!!