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agaugust:
Did I say Hawaii is in Ghana? Good you confessed that is is mostly Asians who are crazy about South Africa.

Like the Dalai Lama for whom China commanded Jacob Zuma to deny an entry visa

China too commands South Africa, no wonder Tanzania is judged good enough to lead your 50 million people

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Petty insults with no substance

Classic augubgugugu

agaugust:

" The military transport helicopter was introduced into the world market in 2002. The helicopter is delivered through the Russian state-owned special exporter Rosoboron export.

The Mi-171Sh Terminator was specifically designed for operating in combat missions in local armed conflicts. The design incorporates a five-bladed main rotor, a tail rotor and non-retractable tricycle nose-wheel landing gear.

The glassed-in cockpit accommodates three crew and cabin houses up to 36 troops, or up to 12 casualties on stretchers. The helicopters are equipped with modern avionics and instrumental equipment, to operate in all weather conditions at any time of the day.

The armour protection provided over the crew cabin and vital units increases the combat survivability of the helicopter. The engine exhaust ducts are equipped with infrared suppression exhaust mixer boxes for a low infrared signature.

The helicopter has an IR-decoy dispensing system to counter an infrared homing surface-to-air missile or air-to-air missile. The fuel tank self-sealing covers and polyurethane foam protection avoid the possibility of fuel explosions and leakage in case of combat damage.

The Mi-171Sh is armed with a Shturm-V high-precision guided missile system. The missiles can destroy modern battle tanks protected by explosive reactive armour, fortified points and aerial targets ."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Let us see how your SAAF old school design Oryx helicopter from recycle factory can beat NAF Terminators.

Butt Hurt

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are you being serious?

Are you actually being serious?

The new model was released in 2002

It just a re-configured Mi-17 - same engines, same airframe

THATS WHY IT HAS Mi-17 IN ITS DESIGNATION

Its a design from the mid-70's

And the Oryx suits our needs and doctrine perfectly, thats why we use them

agaugust:
I think you are iinsane as usual.

Russia NOT Soviet Union, designed and introduced the Terminator in 2002, and it is NOT exactly the same as the old design and old engine Mi-17. Is a 1960 MiG-21 and a 2010 F-7 the same design because they look alike?

2 hardpoints ? You are truly iinsane, Terminator has 6 hard points.

Butt-hurt because SAAF does not have a Helicopter with a rear opening landing ramp

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Dude, the Mi-17 is a 1975 design, in terms of air-frame and function design. It has nothing to do with Russia and the Soviet Union.

And yes, the Mig-21 and F-7 are the same as they have the same air-frame meaning they will have similar flight dynamics. All that is different is electronics and presumably the engines.

That is the fact of the matter.

Oryx suits our needs and doctrine perfectly so no, not butt-hurt at all.

agaugust:
Terminator has more weapons stations than the Hind and carries more troops, so it is equally an assault helicopter by definition, so you can call it is a 'Giant Hind'.

Fool ! Butthurt because SAAF does not have Terminators

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Nope.

Only 2 hard-points, no pintle-mounted gun and less armour, plus inferior handling and performance

I would be depressed if the SAAF used Terminators, its a sign of 3rd world militarys

And its designed for soviet doctrine, which is an inferior doctrine

agaugust:
You can go redecorate your Oryx interior, it is still a 1987 air frame and function design, helicopters have advanced since 1987 era.

SAAF is many years behind NAF, or Mi-171s is a year 2002 design and is brand new, keep sulking with your ancient helos.

Better go replace them when you have money in year 2030, for now SANDF is broke, @Andrewza is at risk of retrenchment
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Then the Mi-17 is a 1975 design, in terms of air-frame and function design

Should I call an ambulance? that bullet in your foot will require medical assistance

agaugust:
Fool, both means the same thing. Combat-Transport Helicopter = Assault Helicopter. Fool

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No

combat transport helicopter = combat transport helicopter

If it was an assault helicopter, they would call it that

The Hind is an assault helicopter

The Hind has been called the world's only "assault helicopter," for its combination of firepower & troop-carrying

Henry120:
I differ. The argument was over Air-refueling for helicopters. The MI-171sh is a new helicopter, it's an assault helicopter.

The argument was never about Air-refueling of helicopters - WTF are you smoking

and no, the MI-171sh is defined as a "combat transport helicopter"
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mi-171sh-combat-transport-helicopter/

Henry120:
Still telling yourselves these lies, why am I not surprised, you're the boss of fairy tale
stories and fraudulent claims.

LIES all LIES, no source on the ground can confirm any of these fraudulent stories you keep posting.

Please post a report from news sources in the CAR.


In that case, the Unicorns are real, bigfoot is also real.

Written by a Janes Correspondent who cites numerous NGO's as his sources

Seleka confirmed the casualty claims - here is the news from CAR that you asked for.

“We fought very hard for one and a half days. They had very good weapons and very good fighters,” said corporal Mohamed Tahir of a battle in the capital Bangui that he took part in, which left 13 South African soldiers and apparently hundreds of rebels dead or wounded.

The fight put up by the SA troops was so ferocious he believed they were facing over 400 men – almost double the actual number.

“It was a very difficult battle. We lost more than half of the the men only in my unit of 500 men.” - Tahir

Captain Amin Nodjokama described it as “big, big battle – it was very hot! It took a long time and the fighting was very heavy with a lot of dead and wounded on both sides”.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

there you go, you have the names and ranks of seleka fighters who corroborate our story

NaijaPikinGidi:
My point exactly. SANDF personel are not soldiers. And I can see why you're all proud of SANDF's running away from CAR!!

SANDF will always LICK their wounds and walk run away after taking a good beating from a supposedly weaker COMBATANT.
That clip captures the very weak nature of your SANDF. I can't imagine a man being beaten to pulp and by no means managed to defend himself or neutralise the violent body bounding.



Bloody liar! You were there to rip-off CAR along side Bozize of precious mining resources. You forget that AndrewZA's version was that SANDF were there to train CAR soldiers. Which version is correct?



Very correct!! For once you have truthfully stated this well-recognised fact.



In deed ... SA is under the protection of Nigeria ... Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, Congo, Kenya!! Don't forget Nigeria's General head the AU military setup!

Now run-off before I unleash those two angry South African women to beat you to size! #stupid

First, men dont hit women. Rule 1 of being a man.

Second, SANDF has no men under AU command.

Third, Nigeria was unable to form a rapid response force like South Africa. Which means that you are under our protection.

agaugust:
Mi-17 Hip is NOT Mi-171s Terminator . Same way MiG-21 is NOT MiG-31.

Your Oryx does not carry any guided missile, same way your Rooivalk does not carry any guided bomb by specs.

Go kiss a frog with your ancient outdated 1987 Oryx helicopter that keeps rotating in a recycle factory
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Different models of the same helicopter, clown. Mi-171 Terminator is the export variant of the Mi-8AMTSh

Also, pic related "ancient outdated 1987 oryx"

NaijaPikinGidi:
Make a more coherent argument ... you have only just farted through your vocal cavity.

His argument is perfectly coherent.

Allow me to explain in simple terms:

We
make
more
power (electricity)
than
Nigeria
yet
we
have
1/3
the population

Henry240:
Like we care what a smelly insignificant pig from the netherlands has to say.

O look, Henry is being racist again

#NotSuprised

andrewza:
I like how you say M17 combat helcopter when it is just a transport chopper. Sure you can mount rockets on it. But you can fit rocket pods to any thing. Libya stuck rockets pods on to a freaking sedan car.

Just like we attached rockets to the Oryx

agaugust:
Simple, the order was shifted to Russia.

According to your own respected South African sources, Nigeria is buying 40 Russian Mi-35 Hind and Mi-171s Terminator combat helicopters

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The majority of which are Mi-171 transports, according to our own sources

agaugust:
South African army has NEVER deployed more than 4,000 soldiers in a war zone in the last 60 years so we don't know how well armed you will be when you deploy 20,000 men into one single war zone like Nigeria.

Sure you will look like Congolese rebels
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What kind of logic is this?

We have standardized everything, so every-company has the exact same gear.

Every soldier and every battalion will look the same.

Henry240:
UN humanitarian agencies =/= forces. Olodo

O, so the UN Hamitarian agencies were on the front-line with the South Africans?

Or were they sheltering with the civilians?

Henry240:
What photos of average nigerian soldiers have you seen? Has the DHQ released any photos?

- bunched up (great target for an mg)
- muzzle sweeping each other
- no support weapons
- all moving together


Not suprised, your country has a record of abysmal combined-arms training

NaijaPikinGidi:
Don't just come here and say the information is wrong! Provide rock-solid proof that the information is wrong! #Simple

Augusta A-109LUH is operated by 17 Squadron who are based in Pertoria (Centurion), not cape town
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_Squadron_SAAF

Concrete enough?

You guys remeber that formation we spent $400 million on during exercises?

You remember Heitman said that its deployments could increased threat of attacks at home? Remember how weird that sounded? Well, it all makes sense now.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/15/south-africa-troops-somalia

Henry120:
Yet, you were telling bare faced lies about SAcowardlyNDF bringing in supplies. Peeps who only had one thing on their minds (scampering).

- That series of running battles claimed 13 soldiers and 27 others were wounded, but the force retained its cohesion and was able to fall back from two separate engagement areas to its base and to hold it until their attackers gave up trying to overrun them and proposed a ceasefire and disengagement
-By then the rebels had suffered as many as 500 casualties, based on estimates by officers with considerable operational experience and estimated by a number of NGOs in the country.
- Their valour was underlined by the French force at Bangui airport when it held a formal parade to bid farewell to those who died.
- After a quiet night, the base was again attacked at about 6.30am, but after about 30 minutes the Seleka commander telephoned to ask for a meeting, saying he had 2 000 troops with which to attack the base but would prefer not to. He approached the base holding a white handkerchief to identify himself, and met with the force commander at the gate. He said he had no orders to fight the South Africans and was happy to break off the engagement if they would not fire on his troops.

and by the way, we only needed access to the airport

One of the Fomac companies then made an appearance, offering to provide trucks to move the wounded to the airport, from where they were evacuated. The force commander now also decided to move his force to the airport. By 9pm on Sunday the troops were at the airport resting and cleaning equipment, while in the city various rebel elements had begun shooting at each other.

and re-enforcements were sent

Another special forces team with six Hornets, that had just been flown into Bangui, went to support them.

all from http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841#.VDnfMPmSySq

Henry120:
Keep quiet, liar. They all reported on it, and the all say the same thing


"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324


You ran away.

Yet, you were telling bare faced lies about SAcowardlyNDF bringing in supplies. Peeps who only had one thing on their minds (scampering).

"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

They held the airport, we needed to use it.

How is that begging for help?

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324

That same report was written 1 hour after we pulled back to barracks on the 23rd of March, they obviously have an incomplete story.

It is also fulled with inconsistencies saying we deployed 400 men etc

Henry120:
Poverty rate in Nigeria

It said in its second edition of the Nigeria Economic Report (NER) which was launched in Abuja that going by the recent rebasing of the economy as well as analysis from the new General Household Surveys (GHS) conducted by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) with the support of the Bank, new poverty estimates in 2010/2011 and 2012/2013 should be within the range of 35.2 per cent and 33.1 per cent respectively.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/...-33-1-/184259/

"Interest in Nigeria by international organisations and multinationals has continued to grow despite rising insurgency in the country, U.S-based economic advisory firm, Frontiers Strategy Group"

"The report, issued by the Wall Street Journal, said that out of 11 African countries in a survey conducted by the firm, Nigeria ranked first as the most preferred economy for investment by the multinationals, which included European and American firms."

http://businessdayonline.com/2014/06/nigeria-is-top-investment-destination-in-africa


Black middle class in South-Africa is only 15%, yet the morons make up 90% of the entire population.

You are very racist patrick, you're comfortable with the fact only a minority 7% of the population own 80% of the land, 90% of the economy and 100% of the defence industry. A country were white households make 10 times more than blacks. The most un-equal society on planet earth.

You are inherently racist patrick.

HAhahah!!

So Nigeria is saying that poverty is only around 31%? Bwahahahahah!! Even with your new false numbers, it is still 10% worse than south africa! Biggest economy and yet more poverty? Clowns!

Second, why am I racist? You are the one who is obsessed with race, you constantly post about race, you constantly bring it up. How is it relevant within the confines of this debate?

Henry120:
The same issues, that have been confirmed by your defence minister

Mapisa-Nqakula said the Defence Review -- now before Parliament -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.

If You expect me to take your words over your defence minister, your're obviously hallucinating.



SANDF faces funding crisis


The SA National Defence Force (SANDF) is facing a "catastrophic" multi-billion-Rand financial crisis that could force mass retrenchments and the indefinite postponement of the acquisition of essential equipment.

Johannesburg daily The Times reported defence secretary Sam Gulube as saying a R1.1 billion budget shortfall could compel the SANDF into large-scale retrenchments and compulsory early retirement in order to survive and pay salaries.

The budget shortfall also meant the SANDF would have to cut operations and acquisitions.

Gulube was speaking after briefing Parliament's defence portfolio committee.



Before you comment further,

"South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air".

Please, go and by aviation fuel, this is really embarrassing for your airforce.

Those are two seperate quotes.

The one is future tense, and the situation has been resolved with new budgeting - where do you think the $400 million for training the new intervention unit came from?

the second is from a different source and you are obviously trying to mislead us.

Again, post fact not opinion

Henry120:
Na we don't claim.

We wanted to get AH-1w's from israel, the americans blocked it, we instead went for 12 additional up-graded MI-35 helicopters from belarus. No sweat.

And dummy, the CH-46 are for the Navy, not the Airforce.

You should be more concerned about purchasing aviation fuel for your Airforce.

"Weapons acquired during the 1999 arms deal are not being used and are becoming derelict, the Seriti Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday [October 7].

[b] “With regards to the 30 Augusta helicopters purchased from Italy, I am informed that many of them are in storage and unused or rotting at Ysterplaat Air Force Base in Cape Town,”

You should be more concerned with posting factual information. And not information that has already been thoroughly discredited.

ChukwuCantDie:
Shut up Patrick, the Zimbabweans now own THEIR OWN LAND, South Africans DO NOT.

Zimbabweans now also live in destitute poverty - 72% of their population

Zimbabweans now also have 80% unemployment - 94% in 2008

Zimbabweans now flee by their millions in search of work and food in South Africa (2muchIrony4me)

Zimbabweans enjoyed hyper inflation of 200 000 000%

Zimbabweans now no longer have their own currency

Zimbabwe is now rife with Cholera and other diseases

Zimbabwe is now an international Pariah and even the Chinese (their only allys) try to keep a distance (superficially)

Yeah, worked out great didnt it!! We should all totally do it!! We can all starve and die of disease on our tiny patches of land!!

AugustineAgain:
No need, Nigeria has ALL infantry weapon class that SANDF has, from Rifle to AGL.

Well for us, evry bullet counts, one enemy one bullet, SANDF wastes their own

See how we nailed this Boko driver through his windsheild.....one naija bullet works like 10 saffer bullets
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First, no you dont - not in wide use.

Second, suppressing fire is the foundation of all modern squad tactics

While your boys are playing sniper-sniper, we will lay down a wall of lead and HE, suppress you, flank you and wipe you the fvck out with enfilade fire.

The fact that you are even saying "one bullet one kill" proves you are an infant.

And btw, the pic you show me shows terrible groupings which suggests the complete opposit of what you are saying.

AugustineAgain:


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And yet the stats say that Nigeria is more unfair than South Africa

Again, posting someones opinion does not mean that it is fact

MikeZA:
13 000 DEAD!!!!!

The war is continuing,BH has captured territory.

Wining what?

The same pigs who openly embarrass your military? Even emulating IS by beheading a high ranking officer?

Running away from the facts I stated?

#BringBackOurAlphaJet

AugustineAgain:
Tell all the lies you want, Nigeria is winning her own war. South Africa lost her battles

PHOTO : CAPTURED BOKOS
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Captured civilians who will be beaten and tortured into signing false confessions.

The world knows of your tactics

Henry120:
You answer this question, when you were all about telling lies about the mokopa.

That is not the answer to the question. Thats not even a question.

You didnt do so good at school did you?

Henry120:
You might not care about the report, but the 85% of your black countrymen living in poverty actually do care.

It is them, i'm most concerned about.

So, are you really just going to say the same thing over and over even though it has been completely disproven?

What is wrong with you? Seriously dude, this is embarrassing.

Henry120:
Keep telling yourself these lies. The report is accurate and as new as the 9th of October when it was released.

It's the most up to date report on your pathetic military.

Now, go and buy some aviation fuel.

And you didnt see the report of the cross examination? Where his statements have been torn apart one by one?

And you do know that he is not part of or even an expert on our military?

Again, I seem to have to remind you:

Opinion =/= Fact