[s]In the Democratic Republic of Congo, the SANDF speciality is rape. Last year DA MP David Maynier disclosed that 93 cases of misconduct had been brought against SANDF members in the DRC. At least 23 involved rape, sexual exploitation, sexual abuse and assault of women. In a 2006 report about “SA’s sex-mad troops”, a member of the SANDF’s Operational Legal Support said many instances of sexual misconduct go unreported. So we can assume that the 93 cases mentioned last year do not reflect the full extent of our troops’ sexploitation. Nor is the DRC the only country where they carry on in this fashion. Burundian women have also been victimised, and there have been cases within the SANDF itself. That is, members assaulting, molesting and raping other members. Zuma may be proud of these bumbling sex predators, but many of us are ashamed. The SANDF is in fact a disgrace, brought to its knees by cadre deployment and a breakdown in discipline. Thabo Mbeki, in a typical over-reaction to the past, destroyed the commando system, which had been an important component of rural security. Very few would now expect the SANDF to be able to protect us against anything.[/s]
iterator24: for once, post pics of sandf in real war, not parades and studio pictures. that's how we know who's who.. I know for sure that Sandf rapes anything during peacekeeping..
1. Opinion peice = unrelaibe 2. Guess who ranks second in Africa for sexual abuses while peacekeeping? Nigeria!! You love cutting peoples heads off AND you love RAPE
agaugust: [s]South African universities are full of foreign students from other African countries, you use their bains to shine and claim rankings, you use their tuition payment in dollars to fund and beautify your well ranked universities.....how many Zulu dull brains are in your universities?
Your Xhosa dullards and other tribes cannot study medicine and surgery, so South Africa is importing foreign immigrant doctors from Nigerian universities to save your lives or your national health care system will collapse[/s] .
No citation = troll
South African Universities are not only the best in Africa, but amongst the best in the world
agaugust: You can post more, we deployed 30,000 troops in NE. You deployed only 300 troops in Bangui and a photo of 5 SANDF troops showed 3 had no helmet to wear.....LOL....rag tag standards.
2. The Vice News guy wore no helmet, his black hair and whole head is visible in your own photo you posted.
1. The SANDF unit was drilling a suspect and searching him for weapons in a war zone, 3 rag tag SANDF troops had NO HELMET
2. Citation needed as to what that unit was doing and where. Also note how ALL SANDF troops in your picture have: a. The SAME UNIFORM b. Body armor c. Multiple magazines for their weapons d. Proper webbing -- I wish I could say the same for your rag tag militia
Stop wasting my time with childish games, if you wish to accuse SANDF of lacking equipment, come with sources (like I do )
2. All Su-27/30/35 Flankers have RWR radar warning receiver as standard since 30 years ago
"The Su-27 equipped countermeasures system includes a pilot illumination radar warning receiver, chaff and infrared decoy dispensers, and an active multi-mode jammer located in the wingtip pods."
EVarn: patches..pettigrew . @agaugust was quite astute in his analysis that black magic may be involved in the war against BH,it has nothing to do with superstition or comedy.
agaugust: I proved with 3 sources that AIM-120D range is maximum 72 km, and as you also called it AMRAAM meaning a medium range air to air missile, it will not have long range of 180 km. I proved it's 72 km max, so say thank you to Nigerians, we are celebrating 55 years independence today and our brains prove it.
Next, almost every reasonable jet fighter has RWR you dummy ! LOL....even ancient MiG-21 has radar warning receiver RWR since year 1960s, it is old technology and you say Su-30 SM of year 2015 does not have RWR...LOL.....see the guy that wants to debate about air warfare.
This your comment has finally proved that you know NOTHING about air warfare and you have been deleted from air space even before the battle started....If I allow you Patches to fly a stealth jet, a MiG-21 pilot will s.h.oot y.ou down in one minute .
agaugust: As long as that VICE NEWS journalist is there with no helmet no body armour, NO COMBAT OR ASSAULT is going on, they are closer to home base than frontline. Dunce.
The SANDF troops, one had no helmet, two wear ordinary cloth face cap instead of protective helmet. Rag Tag SANDF
You said helmet wearing is standard for SANDF, yet I see open coconut heads of your troops ON PATROL DUTY in a war zone controlled by deadly Seleka rebels.
Bangui is the worst place to do patrol with no helmet for SANDF !
You want to crucify other people's troops and justify your own soldiers for doing the same thing ! Hypocrite.
Those SANDF troops are far away from base, beside a dangerous bush, inside enemy controlled territory, interrogating and harassing a Bangui man who was forced to half remove his shirt as they search him for weapons if he was Seleka, and SANDF troops were with no helmet in that dangerous mission where Seleka can spring out from the bush behind them or use sniper bullet to scatter the coconut heads of three of your soldiers with no helmet
SANDF has poor kits and rag tag dressing inside a war zone, no wonder Seleka defeated your Elite Paratroops there
After considering the advice of a top ranking "military researcher" the Nigerian Army is desperately trying to contact Harry Potter and the Order of Pheonix in order to gain the upper hand in the ongoing war against black magic being employed by Boko Haram
agaugust: Your source is old and outdated 2013. Nissan has now opened a production factory in Nigeria 2015. We don't import Nissan cars anymore, we make them at home. Nigeria has robbed South Africa. Meanwhile, all Nissan companies are owned by Japan not South Africa, you glory thief !
The question here is, do you beleive magical powers had a role to play in this?
agaugust: [s]Liar, you know military law only on google. You said Geneva convention has nothing to do with UN, I proved you wrong....
Geneva convention is enforced by the UN you fake air force officer and dunce !
"The final international tribunal for all issues related to the Geneva Conventions and other treaties is the United Nations Security Council. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions
All issues relating to Geneva convention are judged by UN as proved by my source, so I have eaten you for dinner.
Thou fake wannabe air force law officer with zero knowledge of military law.[/s]
yeah
and you are a "military researcher" who believes in black magic
20fuckin15 and you beleive in BLACK MAGIC
MY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING SIDES ARE IN ORBIT!!!!!
Lezzlie: [s]Our desperate fact-falsifier and resident criminal e-fraudster, here you are.[/s]
When will you ever get the grace to and strength to back off when you're out-fact ? ACIRC is dead on arrival with only 13 African countries in support. ASF is set to take off and has the full support of AU unlike ACIRC. What else do you have to prove?
[s]ANC is built on racial foundation and has remain incompetent and backward, dismantling every thing your anglo-dutch master built and replacing it with Zulu standards
You're behind my boy and it will take divine intervention to get south Africa on her feet ever.[/s]
1. ACRIC is not a stand alone formation, its part of the ASF... its the vangaurd 2. ACRIC has MAJORITY AU support 3. ACRIC from its inception was planned to be incorperated into the ASF
So apart from proving you have literally no idea what you are talking about, what is it that you think you have achieved here?
agaugust: [s]Unfair fight, F-22 should be fighting T-50, stealth vs stealth.
Unfair fight for which Russia has prepared the Su-30 and Su-35 to win.
Unfair fight that will be won by the underestimated Su-30. Fool, the F-22 radar detects the Su-30 first but immediately the Su-30 radar warning receiver RWR locates the F-22 using the Raptor's radar that has exposed it, both jets technically are aware of each other's location almost immediately one detects the other.
Fool, you don't know about RWR.....you will always be my student on warfare, land , sea, and air.
lesson 1: Only the Su-30MKM has RWR... and its a South African RWR
Lesson 2: F22 raptors RWR has a range of 250+nmi...
F22 wins again
Lesson 3: AIM-120D AMRAAM has 180km range
F22 wins again... but we all know that, as no one (except you) is pathetic enough to try to argue that a 4+ Gen multirole (not 4++, not 4.5) is capable of defeating a 5th gen Air superiority fighter... lol, the Su30 is obsolete by 3 evolutionary steps!!
Next?
Lol, go back to posting about "juju" and black magic you slavaboo simpleton
agaugust: LOL....self defeat, your own photo is actually the one for POSING troops not in battle front, look at the VICE NEWS journalist beside them making photos That's why both the troops and the journalist removed their helmets, not on front line battle, they are in safe home zone.
#Suicide Comment
PHOTO : SANDF TROOPS IN COMBAT ZONE C.A.R. BANGUI WITH NO HELMET, THEIR ZULU COCONUT HEADS EXPOSED
1. They all are wearing the same uniform 2. They all have body armor 3. They all have multiple spare magazines for their weapons 4. They arent in combat
Vice clearly said that they were filming the ASSAULT - and that is how your men were dressed, some in brighly colored civilian clothing, most without proper webbing (let alone body armor) all wearing missmatched uniforms.... no heavy weapons visible, lacking magazine pouches etc
SANDF deployment to CAR was not a combat deployment, and men taking a break from patrol are entitled to remove head protection - but hey at least they all are wearing the same uniform
Pic related - Nigerian soldiers on the frontline Pic related - South African soldiers on the frontline
Face facts, your army is a poorly equipped militia... you have one or two MGLs and AGLs and you think you compare to the SANDF? We have had that stuff stanardized since the 1980's!
frumentius: Now, now, no need to unsheath the claws. I merely ask because once you've defined the reason for a SF unit, then you answer all the other questions on size, equipment, training, tools etc. To me it seems you just bang on about vehicles regardless of mission. For example, you dismiss RDRVs off-hand, without offering alternatives for what suitable vehicle fulfills that mission. On the other hand, you correctly promote LAVs, but seem to think that's all that's needed. Both are needed, to fulfill different special operations. I guess what I'm saying is the mission defines the tools that SF will utilise. More important, SF is a strategic tool, not tactical.
Your 72 MSF, for example, is not what I'd call SF; special operations capable yes. Much like the US Rangers. They're a tactical direct action unit and any commander who misunderstands this risks blunting the unit. To illustrate doctrine and its application, let's play a war-game:
The town of Doro Gowon has been taken over by 2000 Boko Haram fvckers. You don't need me to tell you how strategic the place is as it sits athwart Lake Tchad on the border with Tchad, Cameroun and Niger up the coast. Their supply lines extend to all three countries, and the MNJTF is as dysfunctional as it is today. Without causing an international incident and adhering to international law, and using Nigerian assets as they are today, how would you take it back?
Step by step, if you please, and as realistic as possible.
Some questions:
1. Doro Gowon - if you look on google earth you can see that the town has been leveled. Are we still going to operate under the pretext that there are civilians there?
2. What do I have access to? everything in the nigerian army inventory?
3. The town of Shiwari is 10km away - do i hold this town? If I do - who has the initiate/momentum?
agaugust: [s]If the photo is not the real Nigerian army, then whose army is it, German army?
ENVY + SHOCK = DERANGEMENT
The Konduga photo you posted is NA troops heading out and still in safe zone not in danger, so some of them can remove their helmets and cool off in the desert heat. They all wear body armour, boots, webbings, etc. Complete and correct kit.
Nigeria has the best infantry kit in Africa today 2015, we have overtaken every other army including your SANDF, last time we saw you in training with some thousands of men, we saw lapses and missing stuff in your kit, it was plain ordinary like Zimbabwean army kits
You thought only SANDF has knee morter, anti-material rifle, automatic grenade launchers etc, LOL, we just showed you Nigerian stuff and more stuff than South African infantry can ever dream of.
Your freaking army infantry has no ATV and LAV like Nigeria, your army is under-equipped.[/s] .
those men were preparing to ATTACK
Yes, you may have some, but they are not standard like in the SANDF.
Stop posting POSED photo's and claiming they represent your army.
Your men are poorly equipped militia
Behold, Nigerian soldiers on the attack - on the frontline!!
agaugust: [s]So the fact that the F-22 radar is facing forward .means nothing?
So the fact that the Su-30 fires missiles first means nothing?
I guess the Su-30 will totally not approach from the sides or rear - undetected
Lol- keep failing my student, I will continue to lecture you about air warfare....you did not know Su-30 SM flankers 100 km missile and IRST until I gave you free education from Nigeria[/s] .
how can the su-30 fire missiles first if it cant detect first because it has inferior radar?
Brah - I broke you, F22 detects first, and chooses to fight at a time and place of its choosing, a time and place that negates the SU30's forward looking IR
You yourself said it would be an "unfair fight", even your fellow nigerians have agreed with me
Lezzlie: It is alright for you to switch topics and context when Nigerians empty your fact-reservoir, but when others do it , it becomes trolling and derailment.
Now that boko haram are being smoked out like animals you're playing the ethnicity card.
You mixed breed of drap primates and hungry sub-humanoids.
Bokoharam is facing the full wrath of the Nigerian army and they actually intesified their efforts during PMB administration despite him being from the north.
While the N.A is on the verge of defeating a 21st century insurgency with alignment to ISIL, you should be adjusting to life as a faded star with a borrowed time and dime-lit glory so shortlived it never even began.
When the SANDF have a clear unilateral victory militarily and your South Africa changes incompetent, tribalistic and racist ANC then we can listen to you. Leslie is eager to match your broken posterior fact for fact,should you tarry on this part
Lezz, you couldent even post a coherent argument regarding ACRIC and the ASF the matter was done and dusted, all you did was make a fool of yourself in your usual manner.
With regards to the overly simplistic power mechanisms in Nigeria... well its plain for us to see
The irony that you call us "tribalistic" when your own country has a tribal power sharing scheme where the presendency is rotated between the Hausa dominated north and the lesser Southern tribes is fairly hilarious.
Troll away little man, no one cares what you have to say.
frumentius: The town of Doro Gowon has been taken over by 2000 Boko Haram fvckers. You don't need me to tell you how strategic the place is as it sits athwart Lake Tchad on the border with Tchad, Cameroun and Niger up the coast. Their supply lines extend to all three countries, and the MNJTF is as dysfunctional as it is today. Without causing an international incident and adhering to international law, and using Nigerian assets as they are today, how would you take it back?
Step by step, if you please, and as realistic as possible.
OK, I will bite.
Spent some time this evening making maps, will post my little ms paint battle plan tomorrow night
iblawi: I really don't know if you just want to make a case out of this simple thing, Henry already gave you the best reply. Argentina consider there meko 360 a destroyer while we consider ours a Frigate. Is that political as well?
Secondly, you don't even know what a strategic lift is and what a tactical lift is. There role, size, range, speed and payload is completely different and a C-130 cannot be referred to as a strategic lift. It is plainly a tactical lift.
The point that I was trying to make, diplomatically, is that yes... most often than not it is political, ships especially but also other things such as Argentina's TAM which they call an "MBT" but is actually just a Marder IFV with a turret and 105mm gun technically an MBT... but everyone knows it isnt anywhere near an MBT. And yes, to answer your question the Argentinians considering their Frigate a destroyer is 100% political.
And no, the definition of tactical and strategic airlift refers to the manner in which planes are employed and not role/size/payload. Tactical airlift is for deployments INSIDE the AO while strategic refers to deployments OUTSIDE the AO... so, the SADF paradrop at Cassinga was tactical airlift while the SANDF deployment of troops to staging posts in Entebbe for deployment into CAR would have been strategic airlift.
Hence why I said that if henry was trying to say they considered them a strategic and not tactical then I wouldnt make much of an argument... even though that would be a stretch as well.
However, Heavy and Medium airlift is pretty cut and dry and has nothing to do with doctrine and everything to do with capability.
iblawi: I really don't know if you just want to make a case out of this simple thing, Henry already gave you the best reply. Argentina consider there meko 360 a destroyer while we consider ours a Frigate. Is that political as well? Secondly, you don't even know what a strategic lift is and what a tactical lift is. There role, size, range, speed and payload is completely different and a C-130 cannot be referred to as a strategic lift. It is plainly a tactical lift.
Has anyone ever stopped to think that Boko Haram has less to do with Jihad and more to do with the Hausa-Fulani Faction loosing power to the Ijaw before they felt their term was through (3 years instead of and that the decline of Boko Haram has more to do with the fact that a Hausa-Fulani faction leader is in power than anything else?
Especially since you consider that Goodluck was only in office because of militant action.
Explains why religiously moderate Officers in the Army (who are mainly Hausa-Fulani) supporting Boko in the early days?
Henry120: Again vehicles are classified based on each country's individual doctrine. There actually isn't a clear universal classification of vehicles. This is the same thing we see with MPVs, IPV and SDBs.
Stretched variants have more tonnage than normal sized. Variants.
First off, the stretched variants - according to the reading I have done dont have more tonnage only a bigger internal volume. Afterall, they have the same engines and a heavyer fuselage.
I question the logic of a doctrine that names something a heavy lift when it quite frankly is not.
The only time countries "miss-name" something is for political considerations, such as Japans new "destroyer" (actually a flat-top which is banned) or Korea's "destroyer" (actually a cruiser, which under US Defence policy would mean no AEGIS allowed), or Russias "cruiser" (actually a carrier - called a "cruiser" because the Turks wont allow carriers through the bosphorus) or Germanys new "frigate" (actually a Destroyer - but Destroyers are too "aggressive" etc etc etc
If you were trying to say that they were classed as strategic lift v tactical lift then yes, that is a question of doctrine. But heavy v medium is a question largely of fact or other non-military considerations.
Anyway, I am tired of arguing on this thread... its not why i am here... lets just agree to disagree?
It all depends on the size of C-130s each country operates. The Stretch variants the Nigerian Air Force operate are classified as heavy lift, while the normal sized C-130 and G-222 are classified as medium lift.
Exact same manner some navies classify their MPVs and IPVs interchangeably.
stretched variants have only got more space, not more lift tonnage
C-17 with 77,519 kg of payload is "heavy", the C130 with only 20,400 kg of payload is not.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:41pm On Oct 02, 2015
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