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Henry120:
Photo Exhibit 3, South-African troops looking, what I can only describe as been utterly confused in a combat zone.

- Photo evidence 1

South-African soldiers, No helmets, No webbing.

No evidence of any radio

No binoculars

No knives

No water

No nothing

- Photo 2,

SANDf troops sitting and standing confused in a combat zone.

- Poor training evident again, troops ordinarily should spread out, form a defensive perimeter. Non-existent.

- only a single soldier has a webbing, now, no evidence of him carrying water, knives or extra ammo in his webbing. His webbing is completely empty.

- None of the other soldiers sitting/standing confused has a webbing on.

- No helmets seen either.

- Infact, they aren't even carrying their rifles. If there was an ambush........ Well, it's good night vienna!



Photo 3,

-Again the soldiers poor training is evident. Instead of been vigilant, the poorly trained soldiers a seen discussing, while what could be a potential threat is approaching their position.

- No webbing

- No helmet

- No water

- No extra mags

- No knives

Nothing !!!

Photo 1:

- only 2 soldiers visible
- both have body armor

Again, context please

Photo 2

Since they arent carrying their weapons... i doubt they are in "combat zone"

So again, context, context, context

Photo 3:

- context please

You can nit pick all you want, it proves nothing. We have pictures of your mean HEADING TO THE FRONTLINE and we see how they look

agaugust:
If Zimbabwe assembles it's army weapons at an exhibition show it would look that good too.

Show us your SANDF troops with all those equipment in war zone

Scroll up the page numbnuts

agaugust:
The soldiers sitting outside the MRAP are NOT drivers, those are the ones I am referring to.

The MRAP behind has a soldier wears NO helmet on patrol duty in hostile Congo DRC.

The MRAP in front has a soldier on the lest hand side sitting outside an MRAP with face cap, no helmet and NO body armour !!

SANDF is worse than we imagined. You live in a glass house, yet you wanna throw stones.....see your sub-standard army in war zone !
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So the fact that they are sticking out of the drivers hatch has nothing to do with him being the driver? So the fact that you can clearly see his BPV has escaped you?

Please provide a time stamp and gps co-ords so we know the time and place the picture was taken

PATHETIC!!!

agaugust:
SANDF in war zone C.A.R....No helmet, no body armour, don't even mention equipment !

http://reliefweb.int/report/central-african-republic/south-africa-bolsters-its-troops-bangui
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lol

Are you being serious?

A stock photo of a soldier and you know the context?

bwahahahah... now you are truly clutching at straws!!

FighterPilot:
I have never seen a stupidd like you in my entire life. How can you tell all those items are absent just by looking at the picture? Stop your prophetic judgements because it won't work. Come on even water? Do you know that issuing of water bottle and steel helmet is standard in SANDF. You are not a soldier if you don't have helmet, dicksy, water bottle, bush knife but please not to cut the head of terrorists, poncho, etc. We as officers we conduct inspection to see to it that the soldier has all the required equipments nicely packed in his big bag.

Exactly!

Ta-da! INSPECTION

agaugust:
Again, we see you acting like the Nigerian troops in the VICE NEWS journalists photo at Konduga are our only deployment.

Happily forgetting the men in Mali and Sudan. We too have shown you photos of NA troops in combat zone.

SANDF troops have been caught on camera doing combat patrol in war zone Congo DRC with NO helmet and NO body armour !!!
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Congradulations on proving that our drivers dont wear body armor or helmets while they operate ARMORED VEHICALS

But you can see the gunner (who is not protected by the vehical) has his helmet and BPV on.

Not sure what you thought you were proving with that picture

Some people saying SANDF lacks equipment....

Here we go

Pic 1: Ex Young Lion (in South Africa)

Pic 2: Op Fikela (in South Africa)

Pic 3: UN FIB

All happening at the same time, all equipped exactly as doctrine dictates

i just want to take a second to point out that the SANDF has so much equipment we have two basic battle-harnesses

the PAT83 "battle jacket" (pic 3-4) standard multi-use webbing

The m83 Chest rig (pic1-2) for direct action deployments

Henry120:
Patrick,


- SANDF troops in a combat zone, Photo exhibit 3

SANDF troops, of the 4 men, 3 are wearing body armours, while 1 has no body armour and no helmet. The other has his bullet proof vest, and isn't wearing a helmet.

* None of the troops have a body armour with plate carriers.

-I don't see any of them with an LMG

- No MGL visible either

- No binoculars are visible

- No comms equipment are visible

- No evidence of HE Grenades or Smoke

- No water

- No knives are visible

Your troops are right in their vehicle, yet no evidence of the above are available.

Things, if you cannot equip only 400 men, how do you plan on equipping over 35,000 men in active combat duties?

1. At the time of this picture it was not a combat zone

2. No context for this picture... could very well be a supply run (likely considering you can see the Ghecko's loaded up with boxes)

Again, I see you are acting like CAR is our only deployment

Happily forgetting the men in DRC and Sudan - pic related, men deployed in combat zones

Henry120:
Patrick....... You retarrd,


The South-African National Defence Force is poorly equipped and poorly funded force! This is a statistical fact. Your men in the CAR lacked basic APCs and Medical kits. 400 men in the CAR had to share a single bag of medical kit.


If you cannot properly equip only 400 men, I simply cannot see the magic Pretoria can perform in deploying or equipping over 35,000 men like the Nigerian Army is currently doing.


- Photo Evidence 1,

SANDF troops in a combat zone, of the 5 men in an active combat zone,

-none of the men are wearing any body armour,

- none the men have a proper helmet

- the poorly trained soldier in front has it finger on the trigger. Shows poor trigger discipline, poor training. This is something you would never see with Nigerian Troops.

- Again, the poorly trained soldier has his pistol in the pouch meant to carry extra ammo.

- None of the troops bar 1, has any sort of webbing.


* Poor Training of the SANDF, photo evidence 2

- the poorly trained soldier yet again has his finger on the trigger, again, another confirmation of the general poor training SANDF troops receive ( To think this is a pre-planned organized event, and the soldier ought to be in his A game...... Is all the more shameful).

- Soldier has no helmet

- Soldier has no body armour.

Only 200 men were deployed in CAR, a deployment that size, on a training mission does not warrant the deployment of a feild hospital.

Deployment in CAR had a feild medical kit.... do you know what that kit contains? Enough supplies to perform surgery if needed. They didnt have APC's because Pretoria did not think they needed APC's..

I also like how you conveniently forgot the 1500 men in DRC or the ~1000 in Sudan who are equipped with exactly what they need (UN rules permitting)

Picture 1:

- men inside their base (OR DID YOU NOT SEE THEIR TENT IN THE BACKGROUND), well within their rights not to wear body armor.
- man on the front has his finger on the trigger guard, not the trigger
- normal place to keep a pistol. He has side pouches for magazines
- again, men inside base dont need to wear webbing.

This picture has no context, so no infrence can be drawn from it

Picture 2:

This is a picture of a soldier on INTERNAL DEPLOYMENT on border patrol (hence the lanyard on his rifle stock which is attached to his body to prevent his rifle being snatched away from him in a scuffle)

- finger on trigger guard.
- No helmet or body armor because he is on foot patrol on border duty, soldiers who do long range patrols in low intensity environments dont wear body armor or helmets as it is deemed to be too agrresive and too cumbersome for extended patrols. Soldiers deployed in Urban or in high intensity environments areas don their body armor

There are no sources that cite the SANDF having issues equipping soldiers, none whatsoever. There are however on the other hand literally hundreds (normally citing nigerian soldiers themselves) lacking basic equipment.

Posting these two pictures out of context is pathetic to say the least. Up your game

agaugust:
[s]Envy is your problem.

Nigerian army infantry is the best equipped with light infantry weapons in Africa. From OBJ 006 rifles, FN FAL rifles, Travor rifles, Beryl rifles, anti-material rifles, night vision equipment, GPMG, LMG, HMG, MGL, AGL, knee mortars, heavy mortars, recoilless rifles, hand glider mini drones, man portable Aeryon quad copter drones, all types of communication radios, field telescopic TV cameras, to high power motorbikes and ATVs.

No African country from Cape Town to Cairo comes close to Nigeria's level of infantry light weapons and surveillance equipment capability on the African continent.[/s]

Small ammounts of each and in no way standardized

You have yet to equip your infantry as well as we equipped ours... in the 1980's... when we had a 550 000 man conscript army

Lezzlie:
Multicoloured text won't substitute for facts, Patrick.

Here are the facts from your own journalists :
There are serious challenges.

Reaction from the continent’s other powerhouse, Nigeria, whose support is indispensable, has been lukewarm despite deputy foreign minister Nuruddeen Mohammed’s assurance that Nigeria was by no means “allergic” to military intervention in resolving crises.

[s]In the AU submit in June 2015 in S. A ACIRC was almost scrapped but heads of government decided to spare the host S.A the humiliation[/s]


‘It would be tricky to dismantle ACIRC, which is spearheaded by South Africa [the country hosting the summit]. If there are changes then they could be in name or integrating ACIRC in the [ASF]. It will be humiliating for the host if ACIRC is dismantled,’ said Norman Sempijja, a post-doctoral researcher at the University of the Witwatersrand and co-author of an upcoming policy brief on ACIRC’s effectiveness. ‘We also need to remember that [ACIRC] was a temporary measure. So I think they may find a way of integrating it in the overall ASF.’


Now, Patrick dummy, ACIRC being integrated into the ASF is merely speculative #FACT.

Intergration of ACRIC is a fact - confirmed by the SANDF

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

Lezzlie:
Both have a very different structure. ACIRC is a VOLUNTARY OUTFIT FOR WILLING COUNTRIES. ASF is not. It is fully incorporated inside AU and only the AU can deploy it with regional approval.

No, ACRIC is capabilities are being provided by South Africa alone, and again, it will become part of the ASF.

ACRIC was created to full the capacity gap - and was done so with the full support of the AU

Lezzlie:
Now the entire budget of AU is carried on the shoulders of only 5 African countries , namely the big 5. Nigeria, Egypt,Algeria, South Africa and Libya. The other AU expenses come from international donors.



Now since the ACIRC is a VOLUNTARY outfit that won't be financially supported by AU or how can the rest of Africa adopt it.

They arent supposed to adopt it - because they will be adopting the ASF

ACRIC was adopted to full the capacity gap while ASF was being operationalized

Lezzlie:
Beside ASF kicks off this very year. All the regional armies are to meet in Lesotho but crisis in that country had the exercise shifted to south Africa.

We know, and when it is ACRIC will be absorbed into it

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

So, it seems what has happened it that you dont actually know what ACRIC and you seem to be of the opinion that ACRIC is being offered as some alternative to the ASF - which it is not, ACRIC IS THE FVCKING ASF

Well done on showing us that you have literally no idea what you are talking about

A world class clown, a self proclaimed troll who cant even troll properly.

Pathetic

Lezzlie:
[s]Oh desperate Patrick, why do you still question facts in the face of undeniable evidence?

You know not the meaning of shame or grace. You're without the slightest bit of honour. You view your arguments from the tattered rags of your bruised self-esteem.

Shake it off, Patrick. Humbly call me your tutor.


ACIRC IS DEAD ON ARRIVAL. AS THE ASF IS MEANT TO KICK OF IN 2015.

ACIRC without Nigeria's nod will be epileptic and stillborn. Also South Africa don't have the manpower and financial muscle to pull it off. It is all a dream of a desperate president mired in the mud of corruption and the desperate leadership ambition of South Africa which always chew more than it can swallow. Your forces are stretched to limit already.

You have no airlift in capabilities.
Zuma went to Russia behind closed does to secretly beg for Russia's spare and suplus airlifting aircraft but Russia declined.

Before turning to Angola which has a better airlifting capabilities more than South Africa.

Here are the sources by which I have had you murdered. I don't do Sahara. It's anti-Nigeria.

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/Africa%20Watch.mht

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/What%20to%20Expect%20from%20the%20African%20Union%20Summit%20%C2%AB%20Africa%20in%20Transit.mht

file:///storage/emulated/0/UCDownloads/Rapid%20Response%20is%20an%20Illusive%20Political%20Issue%20%20African%20Defense.mht


Do you want more?[/s]

1. ACRIC was founded as a interim solution to the FAILURE of African states to mobilize the ASF. ACRIC will be incorperated into the ASF when the ASF is operationalised.

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb


2. ACRIC has the full support of the AU - unless somehow only 13 countries can impose their will on the entire AU!!!

Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl


3. ACRIC does not need Nigeria's support because ACRIC is a SOUTH AFRICAN formation that ALLREADY EXISTS - it has come into existance despite Nigeria's lack of support... which just goes to show what a lame duck Nigeria is.

4. With 5 C-130's operational and 2 on dedicated permanent standby for ACRIC, as well as multiple charter aircraft held on retainer, we have more than enough airlfit

5. " South Africa don't have the manpower and financial muscle to pull it off"

Lol - we spent $400 million on ACRIC allready
https://www.enca.com/media/video/sandf-ready-take-continent%E2%80%99s-troublemakers

and have 1500 men, complete with armor/artillery/airdefecnce, 2 Gripen, 2 Oryx, 1 A109 and 2 C130's permanently deployed under the ACRIC formation.

We quite obviously have the finance and manpower for it.

Lezz, you pathetic boy - it is quite obvious that you have no idea what ACRIC is or how it works.

It is abundantly clear that you are deeply hurt by the fact that South Africa is leading the way for the formation of the ASF and that we have completely outshone "mighty" Nigeria by not only meeting our commitments to the ASF... but exceeding them

overhypedsteve:
the MI17 fits better into the role. It is rugged and could and has a bigger space that could be used as a make shift ambulance. For up to four people at a go. What do they want to do with Bell429 fly VIPs around? Naija self.

mI17 is quite big and cumbersome... if you are trying to get into a position to winch someone off something (like a crevass in a mountain or building in a built up area) or land in small spots (air-ambulance) you want something smaller and more nimble.


MI17 is a fantastic troop transport and is much better suited to that role.

overhypedsteve:
your opinion. We all know about your bias.

You are looking at the same picture I am?

Sure they have body armor and helmets... yes, they are well equipped by Nigerian standards.

But I dont see any squad LMG's, or MGL's, or any comms equipment, or any recioless weapons etc I also dont see any webbing (battle-harnesses) meaning that they are likely missing personal equipment such as feild rations, water, medical supplies, grenades/smoke/flare as well as maps/compasses etc

Sure, you could say "but they are dismounted infantry, their vehicals are carrying the equipment"... which is also BS because what will you do when your vehical is knocked out and suddenly you have 8-9 guys without food/water/medical supplies and spare ammunition.

Hence why I said, poorly equipped.

Indeed, most 3rd world nations are not equipped as well as the SANDF when it comes to personal equipment

agaugust:
[s]You did not even notice that your brother @Fighter Pilot is cleverly avoiding supporting your dummy dundeee thinking and commenting that a whole $ 60 million year 2015 made 4+ Generation jet fighter has no radar warning receiver that became world standard since year 1960s.

You know NOTHING about air warfare, mumu !

South African born Cape Colony fool, EVERY Su- Flanker in this world carries a radar warning receiver RWR as a standard....fool

" Electronic Warfare :

Defensive systems in legacy and production Flankers include a Radar Warning Receiver, mostly variants of the SPO-32 / L150 Pastel digital receiver carried. The latest subtypes like the Su-35BM/Su-35-1 carry the KNIRTI L175M Khibiny M Radio Frequency Surveillance (RFS = ESM/RHAW) system" . http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker.html

Patches, you are my prisoner-slave, I will rub mud in your face regularly until your Southie friends start begging me to free you[/s]
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ok, so after waiting 3 days you have finally found the citation to back your claims.

Now we can move on to the next step

What is the range of their RWR?

The only prisoner here is you - being held captive by your own stupidi,ty. But hey, I should expect this kind of thing from someone who still believes in magic.

agaugust:
1. USA new camo is more green, not foolish brownie like SANDF.

2. Citation ? See SANDF one camo in a green bush, I can sniper shooot off your troops coconut skulls from 2 km away, clearly visible. FAILURE

1. Who cares what color it is? US military uses ONLY ONE CAMMO, just like the SANDF

2. When you take photos of people you make sure you can see them.... post a citation that SANDF cammo failes in jungle

agaugust:

.....Nigerian army kit looks like this when we are in real fire smoking combat zone....

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Still poorly equipped

agaugust:
Is South Africa a slave colony of USA so that if they do any wrong thing you must copy them like a slave with no brain of your own?

US Army has changed camo pattern several times in a fruitless search for one single camo for all terrain.

Anyway, the new USA camo is not brown like SANDF camo you dunce, the new US camo is much more of green .

SANDF brown camo is a failure in green jungle. The new USA camo is totally different from yours !

1. Thanks for reminding us that the greatest military on earth uses only one camo scheme

2. Citation needed for SANDF cammo failure

agaugust:
Show me an African country with better kits than Nigeria.....
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South Africa... who's average rifleman has been wearing that kit since the 1970's

But... in reality... we know what the average kit of a nigerian soldier looks like

agaugust:
1. USA and Europe have not all fully changed to one single camo, we proved that here last year, so don't drag us back. The NATO countries have no plans of going into any African green jungle to fight war, they don't care. Plus the new single camo is still under experiment and field testing, the soldiers are already complaining about poor blending with environment. Also, the new USA single camo is far superior to the tailors roadside textile material used for SANDF brownie uniforms, the USA camo is made to be far more green than brown.

2. South African brown camo is a failure inside African green terrain, it only works in your homeland brown environment. That uniform will get SANDF troops killed in large numbers by snipers in a green vegetation battle theater.

3. See your failed single brown homeland camo and compare Nigerian green jungle camo that we use in jungle terrain.

#ONE CAMO = FAILURE TO BLEND.....your army can only fight at home where land is brown

1. USA and Europe are either using ONE CAMMO or moving towards ONE CAMMO. Yes, we proved this last year.

2. Citation needed for SANDF cammo being a failure.

ONE CAMO = What modern professional militaries use

agaugust:
Nope, Patches started it out of envy of Nigerian army super new kit that's the best in Africa, this photo choked him with envy.

Super-kit?

In South Africa we call that standard kit

Lezzlie:
[s]What is the state of continental rapid reaction forces to preemptively stem violence?

In 2003, the AU finalized plans for a rapid reaction unit, the African Standby Force (ASF), that could be deployed around the continent in the event of “grave circumstances.” Yet today, only three of five African regions – Western, Southern, and Eastern Africa – have their brigades ready to deploy. Because of the failure of the ASF to act in the face of state collapse in Mali in 2012 and the Central African Republic in 2013, South Africa proposed a new, slimmer rapid-reaction force, the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC), in July 2013. The ACIRC has been critiqued by some as being remarkably similar to the ASF and thus needlessly duplicative. As such, the AU summit will inevitably discuss the status of these forces: regarding the ASF, there will likely be pressure on countries in North and Central Africa to accelerate their progress, whereas discussions on ACIRC will center on the question of duplication and the current state of contributions.

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For its part, Nigeria has been steadfast in its assertions that it can address the insurgency alone. Whether the question of external intervention in Nigeria will arise at the AU summit is unclear. While the Boko Haram insurgency is indeed one of the continent’s most pressing security challenges, Nigeria, which is one of the AU’s most powerful members, has historically been quick to foreclose discussions of its domestic problems within the Africa Union. It might veto discussions again.[/size]



The idea of a rapid response tool under the AU Commission – as opposed to a region-based ASF – can be an innovative tool, as most conflicts do not neatly fall into regional categorisations. De facto the ACIRC is intended to address gaps and flaws in the existing security architecture.

However, in practice it is confronted with significant challenges that endanger the whole project. At the forefront is political disunity. Although the ACIRC was adopted by the AU assembly it rests only on the support of a minority of African countries.

So far 13 countries have committed to the project. With the opposition camp being filled with political heavyweights such as Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya or Nigeria (all four are major troop contributors to peacekeeping missions) it is doubtful if the ACIRC can gather enough political momentum and military capability to get off the ground quickly. Additionally South Africa’s spear-heading of the initiative and its leadership ambitions are not well received everywhere.


The second major challenge is the open question of how to harmonise the ACIRC with existing peacekeeping structures such as the ASF: while the ACIRC is supposed to be only a stop-gap instrument until the full operationalisation of the ASF, which from the beginning was supposed to have a rapid response capability, de facto it is much more.

The idea of a rapid response instrument under the direct administration of the AU runs against the design of the ASF which is based on regional support.


There are serious challenges.

Reaction from the continent’s other powerhouse, Nigeria, whose support is indispensable, has been lukewarm despite deputy foreign minister Nuruddeen Mohammed’s assurance that Nigeria was by no means “allergic” to military intervention in resolving crises.

Critics are also concerned that the ACIRC may draw attention away and undermine the investment that has been put into launching the ASF. If the AU has been unable to agree on a standby force for more than a decade it remains doubtful it would be possible to organise a more complex and costly rapid reaction force since the fundamentals are not very different for both of these forces.




Two things are clear: ACIRC is nor meant to morph into the ASF as you claim.

Also the countries supporting ACIRC are so few. All my sources are from YOUR OWN PRESS.


So there we have it, little minded,quivering Patrick. You will always lose.

No matter how hard you try to twist reports and facts, I'll always smoke you out.

South Africa is struggling desperately for relevance my dear boy.

And enjoy this monent; you're living in the midnight hours of the last vestiges of the glory of your masters Botta and De Klerk.

Everything is falling aways fast and south Africa is falling with it.

But you always claim it was a jump not a fall.

It's a long way down to nothing for you[/s]

My citations were clear and consice

All you have is one misguided article writted by the Daily Mavrick... you may as well be quoting Sahara Reporters.

According to Zuma and the SANDF, ACRIC is part of the ASF, it achived majority support from the AU and when the ASF comes online ACRIC will be absorbed by the ASF

Why are you still maintaining this ludicrous line of argument?

agaugust:
Bwahahaaha

Nigerians will ALWAYS defeat you South Africans in any debate on earth.

You first said Su-30 has no radar warning receiver RWR. I proved you wrong.

You changed story and said only Malaysian Su-30 has RWR. We proved you wrong again.

I told you EVERY reasonable jet fighter on earth has a RWR, and every Su-30 Flanker has it, you should have accepted defeat once instead of getting Nigerians to humiliate y.ou 3 times in 3 days.

According to Sukhoi company the manufacturer, Su-30 series are standard built with RWR

" 6.0 Electronic countermeasure equipment
6.1. Radar warning receiver with an expansion block
6.2. Chaff and heat flare dispenser
6.3. Radio jamming transmitter in pod ."

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/military/su30mk/lth/

You now see why Nigerian brains are 100 times better than the Southie dullards in your top ranked South African universities, we b.eat you ALL THE TIME
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Su30MK is the export version

Again, we are talking about the Russian airforce... why are you talking about Su30's operated by India and other export partners?

Do your research and stop wasting my time with childish games

agaugust:
1. The vice guy wore body armour and many most of our men wore same, we gave him.

2. SANDF wears same uniform because that is the only single camo army has, you have none for jungle terrain like we have. That Konduga battalion was reported by vice news as a mix of different army regiments from different terrain parts of Nigeria, jungle platoons mixed with dessert platoons, yes uniforms must differ.

You post no sources, you just post random photos.

Rag tag SANDF goes to war with soldiers wearing no helmet and some wearing Cricket players team face caps that I see in the stadium
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The immediate past Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Alex Badeh (retd.), has said the Army he headed was one with no equipment.
http://www.punchng.com/news/i-headed-an-army-with-no-equipment-badeh/

Stories of Nigerian soldiers running away from Boko Haram militants have been widely reported - but low on ammunition and allocated vehicles that don't work, a former soldier says they are being outgunned and overpowered.

"Imagine me and you are fighting," the soldier tells me. "We both have guns but while you are wearing a bullet proof vest, I'm carrying an umbrella."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30930767

Even Boko Haram, a rag tag insurgent force, is better equipped than the pathetic disorganzied mob you call an army

agaugust:
So Nigerian soldiers too are justified for temporarily removing helmets in semi-desert hot climate. Tell Patches.

Your men are not wearing any equipment at all.

agaugust:
Every Nigerian soldier is issued with helmet too, we have more than enough helmets. So why was Patches posting rubbish?

No - Nigerian army is renowend for not issuing men with equipment

Your army is a rag tag militia... men in mismatched cammo, civilian clothing, only an AK47 and one magazine for it

Pathetic

agaugust:
No proof that many militaries around the world are now on one single camo, you sampled all the 150 countries armies around the world?

There is NO WAY one camo can work for an army in green jungle terrain, brown bush terrain, white snow terrain, mixed urban city terrain, yellow sand desert .

Look at your useless SANDF brown camo in a green vegetation terrain, your CLEARLY VISIBLE army will never blend with the environment, snipers will be knocking off your troops coconut heads from 2 km away
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1. We have talked about this, the US military/English/French etc are all only using one cammo type

2. Yes, cammo can work on jungle/desert/Savannah.

3. Yes, generally when you take a close-up picture of a person... you can see the person in the picture.

Stop wasting our time with your childish arguments

agaugust:
Message for @Patches
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You must have something in order to leave it behind. \


Jackass

agaugust:
[s]"The Su-30 MKI fleet of India is fitted with a tarang radar warning receiver RWR indigenously developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/su-30mki-multirole-fighter-aircraft-india/

India is NOT Malaysia, all Su-30 flankers have radar warning receiver RWR you goat brain

Patches gets demolished 7 times in 7 days air warfare[/s]
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Do russian Su30's have RWR?

Citations please

Lol, the only one who is being demolished here is you... we are talking about Russia v USAF and you are posting about Indian SU30's? Clown!?!

agaugust:
1. The vice guy wore body armour and many most of our men wore same, we gave him.

2. SANDF wears same uniform because that is the only single camo army has, you have none for jungle terrain like we have. That Konduga battalion was reported by vice news as a mix of different army regiments from different terrain parts of Nigeria, jungle platoons mixed with dessert platoons, yes uniforms must differ.

You post no sources, you just post random photos.

Rag tag SANDF goes to war with soldiers wearing no helmet and some wearing Cricket players team face caps that I see in the stadium
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1. No, allmost none of your men have body armor

2. SANDF cammo is designed to be used in multiple terrain types. This is a fact. No, uniforms in professional armies generally do not get mixed - only in rag tag militia

Post one citation that the SANDF is lacking standard equipment such as ammo/body armor etc

I have many about nigeria

Lezzlie:
No words can do justice in describing your buffoonery -cum- below par deductive reasoning. I should also add sophistry to your list of vices.

ACRIC has nothing to do with ASF. It is Zuma's desperate attempt to leave a legacy other than corruption and ineptitude.

Only 13 countries supports ACIRC so far

South Africa is dying for relevance and are desperate to be seen as what they are not. S.A can't even pull ACIRC off. No money, no troops and no airlifting capabilities.

ACIRC was almost scrapped at the AU meeting held in South Africa but to save the host's face it was shelved.

Read below another excerpt: The idea of a rapid response tool under the AU Commission – as opposed to a region-based ASF – can be an innovative tool, as most conflicts do not neatly fall into regional categorisations. De facto the ACIRC is intended to address gaps and flaws in the existing security architecture.

However, in practice it is confronted with significant challenges that endanger the whole project. At the forefront is political disunity. Although the ACIRC was adopted by the AU assembly it rests only on the support of a minority of African countries.

1. "ACRIC has nothing to do with ASF"

The ACIRC will serve as an interim measure ahead of the establishment of a permanent African Standby Force, which was originally expected to be operational by 2015. Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Bah told delegates the African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) would become part of the ASF. This means ACIRC, which SA Army Chief Lieutenant General Vusi Masondo said would be operational this month, effectively has a shelf life of six months if the December 2015 deadline for operationalisation is adhered to.

-DefenceWeb

2. "Only 13 countries support ACRIC"

Zuma proposed the concept of the ACIRC at last year's African Union (AU) summit in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where the proposal was endorsed.
http://www.southafrica.info/news/international/au-270614.htm#.VgqjuHqqqko#ixzz3n8g95ofl

Weird how all it takes is 13 countries to get something endorsed by the AU...

3. "S.A can't even pull ACIRC off. No money, no troops and no airlifting capabilities"

You want me to post the deployment again? Cuz guess what... we have all of the above.


So, apart from not actually knowing what ACRIC is... you seem to have a problem with ACRIC because South Africa is (as usual) leading the way and Nigeria has yet again been overshadowed.