₦airaland Forum

stillchris:
why don't you do yourself a favor and give us evidence that you have more than 9 pilots.

bloody mor0n

WE FVCKING HAVE

stillchris:
In November 1998, the South African Air Force ordered 28 Gripen multi-role aircraft (19 single-seat and nine dual-seat). Denel Aviation of South Africa will produce part of the centre fuselage. The first flight was in November 2005 and deliveries began in April 2008 and will conclude in 2012. Four aircraft were officially handed over to the SAAF in September 2008. The fifth aircraft was delivered in November 2008.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/

don't you have to train an air crew before recieving deliveries of fighters?

we don't take you seriously. you are a liar.

a dumb one at that

So we have had the gripen for 7 years.

Only pilots who would do the training were trained beforehand, and there are a limited number of them and they can only train so many people per year, considering we had 18 in 2013/14 that suggests we train around 3 per year

What you fail to realize is that we are intergrating a completely new weapon which is unlike anything we have ever operated in terms of sophistication, we started with a cadre of 4 pilots and slowly but surley we train more and more ourselves.

agaugust:
How can it not integrate with other platforms? The ATR-42 inbuilt data-link and radio comm sends messages to where? To itself?

You sure you work in the air force or you just clean toilet there?

What datalink do you have to use for such things?

Transmitting images =/= datalink

Henry120:
I understand you have challenges, so i'll make this as simple as possible for you.


When was the Gripen contract signed?

When was the first gripen delivered?

Henry120:
So why then is the SAAF stuck with 9 Pilots?

Who says we have 9 pilots?

Henry120:
Fighterpilot how many people did you have to pay to get a job at the SAAF? You are an utter embarrassment to the service.

With peeps like you in the SAAF, the world would have to wait a century before we see the full compliment of SAAF Gripen pilots for it's entire fleet.


You are not a fellow Nigerian retarrd, you are a half-baked soweto dullard.


South-Africa signed the Gripen contract in 1999......... guess what, 16 years later you are still stuck with 9 Pilots for 26 Fighter, Shame!! Countries like the Czech republic who got theirs already have an overflow of Gripen Pilots and have started a Saab certified Pilot training school for the Gripen.



Why don't you read your own link, then tell us the number of pilots specified for the Gripen in that article?

Who says 9 pilots?

You?

Henry120:
As at that time dummy, you only had 6 qualified Gripen pilots.

Yes, you only have 9 Gripen Pilots. We aren't bothered, it is SAAF which has to deal with a severe pilot shortage.

9 pilots according to what source?

Is this just another case of Henry-Because I Say So-120?

stillchris:
Dullard

where in that fantacised article does it say you have more than 9 pilots?

dumb he-goat

uhh... the picture of more than 9 pilots sitting for their pre-flight Briefing?

agaugust:
Nope, your source does NOT say ATR-42 uses Sea Spray Radar, quote where it says so you fraud !

#Triple-Trap
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Seaspray 7000E, at less than 80kg, is the mid range Seaspray radar system. It is the
direct successor to the many hundreds of previous generation technology Seaspray radar
systems that are in service world-wide, and is appropriate to medium naval helicopters and
Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) such as the AgustaWestland AW159 and Alenia Aeronautica
ATR 42 and 72, or other platforms. Seaspray 7000E is in service, in production and under
contract on a range of programmes for platforms including AW159 and SH-3D naval
helicopters and Beechcraft 200, King Air 350, CASA CN235, Fokker F27 and Alenia
Aermacchi ATR72 MPA

http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/24128094/body_pressback_aesa_family_radar_es.pdf

So, by the wording we see in the artical - a new sea-spray has been released, and it replaces the old seasprays in use with platforms such as the ATR42


So, either:

1. You are only semi-literate
2. You are a lair

Which is it?


Also, the ATOS system has the Seaspray as a fundimental part of it,
http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/18917854/body_mm07800_ATOS_LQ_.pdf

Now, 400km radar range citation please

agaugust:
[s]Thanks, the story says "South Africa wanted to show big power, your court judge ordered the Sudanese leader's arrest, he snubbed your law in your own face in your own country, he slapped J.acob Zum.a in the mouth and walked to Pretoria airport, boarded aircraft, flew out and 50 million South African people, your judiciary, police, president, parliament, and law enforcement agents could not effect a South African court order of arrest inside South African territory."[/s]

That is not what happened

Read the story
Understand what happened
Comment on the story

agaugust:
What is in ISTAR that ATR-42 cannot do ? Tell us
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It is a Maritime Patrol Aircraft

agaugust:
ATR-42 has it's own data-link inbuilt, that's a military grade tech.

You have only knowledge of MTV and MNET movie transmission on cable TV.....that's all you ever know.

Mumu

SABC and Mnet do what your ATR does

Can the Nigerian military do what the SANDF does?

NO!

Case closed

agaugust:
LooooooooooL

OMG ! My sides ! My sides are spinning in orbit.....rib cracker laughter !

Patches posted ATR-72 radar and called it ATR-42 Surveyor

This guy knows NOTHING ! He cannot even use google to make searches that 12 year old kids can do.

Now go back again, first pray to God to open your blocked brain, find ATR-42 radar name and post the source to prove your claim that it uses Sea Spray Radar....we are all waiting

#Self-Trap

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Seaspray is used on both platforms
http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/24128094/body_pressback_aesa_family_radar_es.pdf

If you had read the link you would know this

Now, ATR 400km range please

agaugust:
Bwahahaaaha

Liar Lair Liar Liar !!!!!!!!

You did NOT chase away Bashir, you wanted to capture him and show the world some bravado...




South Africa wanted to show big power, your court judge ordered the Sudanese leader's arrest, he snubbed your law in your own face in your own country, he slapped J.acob Zum.a in the mouth and walked to Pretoria airport, boarded aircraft, flew out and 50 million South African people, your judiciary, police, president, parliament, and law enforcement agents could not effect a South African court order of arrest inside South African territory

.....YOUR BONE-LESS COUNTRY WILL NEVER LEAD AFRICA.....COWARDS, everybody slaps South Africa in the mouth
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Augustus

Learn about the story
Read the story
Comment on the story

agaugust:
Bros you know South Africa is suffering from ISTAR hunger, thirst, famine, and starvation.

50 million South Africans have NEVER seen a dedicated ISTAR aircraft in their country's history, so they will call ATR-72 an ATR-42.

Let's not blame them, it's due to total ISTAR backwardness in the whole nation of South Africa

ATR is not a dedicated ISTAR platform - it's an MPA

agaugust:
It operates ONLY on Valour frigates, Submarines, and Hawk jets. Not all other equipment that exist in SANDF.

Also NOTHING shows that SANDF has it for the army, only some navy vessels and air force aircraft.

The claim made here was that ALL equipment in South African military including artillery and vehicles have Link.ZA data-link, that is FALSE !

Nothing special anyway, NAF was doing real time data-link of Boko Haram combat situational awareness, command and control from Sambisa forest and other battle zones directly in real time video display 700 km away to Abuja military HQ command centre.

Also, your data-link has NEVER been tested in combat or war, the World Cup is a sporting event for football fans
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Stop changing the confines of the argument - you wanted operational info about linkza now you have it

GBADS iron an intergrated datalink, new datalink compliant radios are being rolled out and ground based radar systems are datalink compliant same goes for the Impi bluefor trackers, artillery using the link has been posted many times

All your ATRs are doing is streaming a video feed - SABC does that

You have been vanquished again!

The SELEX Galileo airborne tactical observation and surveillance (ATOS) mission system is installed with four interchangeable strategic operator stations to simplify the operations. It includes three sensors including an electro-optical turret FLIR system Star Safire HD, AESA SELEX Galileo Sea Spray 7000E search radar and an ESM (Electronic Support Measures) sensor from Elettronica.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/atr-72-mp-maritime-patrol-aircraft/

Now that we have shown that it uses sea-spray radar

Provide a link for 400km range of ATR42 radar.

Thank you.

agaugust:
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[s]"Sudanese dictator snubs South African court and leaves the country

Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir has left South Africa, a Sudan minister said on Monday, defying a Pretoria court order for him to remain in the country until it ruled on an application for his arrest.

Bashir, who was attending an African Union summit in South Africa, has been indicted by the International Criminal Court (ICC) over war crimes and crimes against humanity."

http://www.businessinsider.com/sudan-president-detained-may-be-charged-with-genocide-2015-6


Nobody in this world respects the spine-less South Africa

We all slap 50 million Southies in the face and walk away !
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JACOB ZUMA RUBS HIS MOUTH AFTER A SLAP FROM SUDANESE PRESIDENT [/s]
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/image24-890x395_c.jpg

And so?

We chased him out of our country.

We have shown the world that we do not accept warcriminals in our land.

The frigates will use their Thales Navale MRR 3D E/F-band search radars to assist the South African Air Force build up a comprehensive air picture over each stadium and its environs. The SAAF is tasked with maintaining a 50km “no-fly” zone around each stadium on match days. The ships can transmit their radar-pictures real-time to the Air Force Command Post in Pretoria or to Gripen fighters tasked with intercepting aircraft intruding into these areas using Link ZA *2.
http://www.armsdeal-vpo.co.za/articles15/world_cup.html

The locally developed Impi tactical modem is fast gaining acceptance within the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) as a cost-effective blue-force tracker, already in use by members of the Special Forces and the South African Air Force (SAAF).

Impi has been integrated into the Chaka tactical C2 (Command & Control) support software which, according to Cobus Valentine, the Command & Control specialist at Saab Grintek Defence, is the only tool currently used by the SANDF to provide ‘jointness.’

“A Parachute Action Group was flown from Waterkloof onboard a SAAF C-130. The aircraft was tracked as well as the Special Forces members aboard the aircraft. They then jumped over the submarine and while they jumped, the parachutists were tracked. Only when they went under the water did we lose the track, but as soon as they popped up from the water, the track was transmitting again,” Valentine recalled.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?Itemid=105&catid=50:Land&id=36095:saabs-impi-effectively-tracking-blue-forces-&option=com_content&view=article


One practical application of Link ZA is as catalyst for the SA Air Force’s BAE Systems Mk 120 Hawk LIFT radar-simulation system (RSS), which uses a radio-frequency network established among as many as eight aircraft engaged in an exercise. Each aircraft constantly transmits its position via a Link ZA datalink, and each aircraft's mission computer calculates the positions of the other aircraft relative to itself. That picture is displayed as a real-time radar image on one of each pilot’s three multifunction displays (MFD).
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184

Do you want more about linkZA in operational use?

agaugust:
LOL.....you that thinks satellite does not move off a target's longitude, you think satellite freezes on on spot for hours

Your BSc should be withdrawn
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Satellite is just one platform in the vast stable of SANDF ISTAR platforms

agaugust:
[s]Good job, also arrest South African government officials who bribed FIFA to give RSA 2010 world cup hosting which you did NOT deserve[/s]
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No proof it was a bribe.

In the end of the day, we had a world cup, and we pulled it off flawlessly.

With regards to the war criminal, he forgot he is coming to a free country

agaugust:
[s]Make counter-arguments and stop crossing out or striking through other people's comments at random like a M0R0N.

No wonder you got banned yesterday for trolling.[/s]

Read his post
Understand what he is saying
Respond accordingly

agaugust:
After you southies post citation that ATR-42 uses SeaSpray radar. Then I will immediately post my own range proof....407 km
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Thats not how it works.

Post your citation to back up your claim.

agaugust:
[s]Most of SANDF budget is spent on soldiers salaries and HIV anti-retroviral drugs for 30 battalions of living-dead zombie soldiers of RSA.[/s]

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Not even worth responding to

agaugust:
You mean the ugly side of it's incapacity.

Consoles process data, so data-link has no console to analyse data......becomes half useless, the target is NON-IDENTIFIED, your Hawk jet just attacks anything that moves in that target location even if it is a friend....

The data is transmitted (via data-link) to ground stations and other platforms for assement

BLUEFOR trackers and IFF tech is in wide service with the SANDF

Henry120:
You are delusional! The T-90A2 and T-72B3 are more than a match.


The SU-30MKI is the best fighter jet in it's class. Why should the Indians settle for less, when they can get the best?


Evidence of cheetahs shooting down SU-30MKIs.

"because i say so"

agaugust:
Proof that ALL have Link-ZA, post a proof that the job was completed on ALL SANDF equipment
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We have, on multiple occasions.

Henry120:
We would shoot down their tiny Gripens.

With 3 pilots flying obsolete planes that are armed with obsolete missiles?

Top kek

agaugust:
[s]You have to use ISTAR to search and collect the data first, that is first.

No data gathered, means nothing to transmit on data-link.

ATR-42 has data-link + ISTAR = NAF is complete[/s]
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Name your datalink

Henry120:
Fighterpilot's comments are always disgraceful! For a person who claims to work for the SAAF, i don't need to look further to see why they only have 9 Gripen Pilots after 16 years.

16 as of 2013/14

Henry120:
Why don't you prove us wrong, cite one operational use of LinkZA in Combat or proper exercise use?

We have on multiple occasions.

agaugust:
All I see is Boko Haram in the grave or in captivity, we humiliate them on the streets.

SANDF cannot stop humiliation by Rhino thieves on daily basis inside your homeland.

See your Boko friend being dragged on the street after being disarmed in battle....you envy our war history
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Boko Haram are alive and kicking and you could only taste victory when you called in South Africans to help you.

Rhino poaching is not the concerne of the SANDF