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Henry120:
And our PL-9C missiles have a longer range than theirs.

No they dont

Henry120:
You have no operational data link. LinkZA only exists on paper.

Multiple instances of its use have been posted.

If you wish to ignore them, then that is your problem and not mine.

Its operational existence is indisputable

agaugust:
[s]ATR-42 Long range TV cameras with magnification of images you dummy

I forgot that you have English comprehension problems....do you know the meaning of image magnification lens ? No, you don't.

Even American and British ISTAR aircraft will be escorted by jet fighters if their is enemy air to air threat.

ATR-42 has anti-missle defense countermeasures.

NAF F-7 jets will face your Gripen jets and trust NAF has an edge with ATR-42 mini AWACS role, the 407 km radar has air to air mode and the Gripen will be detected before the Gripen detects the ATR-42.

We act before you, the ATR-42 monitors the entire battle space and we see your Gripens before they see our ISTAR and interceptors

LOL, I thought you were an air force man, or are you a toilet cleaner in SAAF ? You can't even figure out a battle scenario[/s]
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Citations needed for all of this

Henry120:
- No evidence.

- you cannot read and understand properly. Seems to be a severe structural flaw you South-Africans have in your educational system. I said, they are more than a match for any western system, and the T-14 is simply in a whole new class above anything anyone has.

- the Problem is from India, not the Russians. Thousands of fighter planes fly with Russian engines. Chinese 5th Generation fighters are powered by Russian engines. The Chinese fly over a hundred SU-30s, Same as Russia, Indonesia etc etc.

Western Fighter jets in the last decade have a worse reliability record. Hungary lost 2 Gripen Jets in one month(may). F-16 and F-15's have been falling of the sky like they got hit by a high frequency EMP burst.


The SU-30's are very capable fighters hence they need proper maintenance.

T-14 cant even complete a parade without breaking down and is hardly a match for things like the K2 or Type 10. Its not even that advanced, its systems can be found on multiple tanks and unmanned turrets are old news

Also, it still uses an ammunition carousel - which means one hit and it will pop its cork in the manner made so famous by the T-72

stillchris:
and they still won't see anything wrong with this fact because it's WESTERN.

these south africans and their western as5licking is just too obvious.

that's why their government wants to covertly arrest bashir so their western lords will praise them.

We want to arrest Bashir because he is a fvcking war-criminal

Western tech is superior to russian tech as has been shown in a plethora of wars - from Isreal buttfvcking the whole arab world (three times), to the Americans turning Iraq into a massive pile of stones and bones and to the Indians turning pakistani's into pink mist.

agaugust:
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[s]ATR-42 Surveyor radar range is 407 km....any Southie ready to prove otherwise ?

It's been a bad ISTAR week for them Sowetans[/s]
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Citation needed

agaugust:
[s]Data link CANNOT communicate information that has NOT been first detected by ISTAR you fool !

You ever seen a computer doing data processing before data gathering ? Mumu, Southie universities cannot teach you basics of data processing.[/s]

Read his post
Understand his post
Comment accordingly

agaugust:
[s]Fool, ATR-42 is a long range ISTAR platform, it does NOT fly into battlefield if their is capable threat. Yet ATR-42 Surveyor has anti-missile self defences, chaff/flare counter measures, and anti-jamming devices.

NAF ATR-42 does not use only radar you M0R0N, it has long range TV camera with magnification lens to video watch the battlefield from a safe distance beyond reach of enemy air defences, and if need be it can be escorted by jet fighters to stop enemy jets in the air.

No country in the world flies ISTAR aircraft into battle theatre of air to air threats without escort by fighter jets. You are a domingo block head.

SANDF/SAAF does not have any ISTAR aircraft with long range TV camera for visuals of battlefield from same distance, you will never understand ISTAR until 50 million South Afrivans raise funds via bank loan to buy one of Nigeria's type of aircraft [/s]
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Load of nonsense that contradicts what you said about the Gripen and its recce pods.

ATR-42 is designed for maritime patrol, it is incapable of operating in a contested airspace.

agaugust:
ATR-42 Surveyor radar range is 407 km.....that's confirmed now.

Live with it.....oh ! You are afraid of the African king of radars ? Cool.

Trust me, I don't make claims without evidence. It's 407 km radar on NAF ATR-42 just confirmed.

We enjoy the fear and terror Nigerian ISTAR gives 50 million South Africans
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Citation needed for ATR radar range

agaugust:
Means you are too dull to understand basic terminology.

All F-7 jets are built for multi-role, interceptor and strike roles combined....including NAF F-7NI jets.

"The J-7 has been designed to perform ground attack missions in all weather conditions."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/j7f7fighteraircraft/

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052

Now think before you talk next time....Odenson

Strike-fighter/interceptor =/= multi-role.

Henry120:
You are obviously senile!


The T-72B3, T-80U and T-90A2 are more than a match for any western MBT. The T-14 is on a whole new level. It is pound for pound the best MBT in the world.


Indian MKI's are the best in their class. The Problem with the incidences with Indian MKI's are primarily down to indian maintenance/ mechanical faults. HAL bears primary responsibility for for their action or inaction with india's SU fleet.

Western, Primarily US made fighter jets have been involved in more crashes than those from Russia in the last half a decade.

The T-72 is literally the worst tank in the world. Its only amazing capabilities is its world renowned crew killing technology

And no, those platforms do not stand a chance against the latest gen of Western MBTs - hency why russia felt compelled to build a new tank

agaugust:
F-7 jet of PAF and BAF carry air to surface guided weapons for ground attack, and recce pod for surveillance.

That's multi-role. F-7 jet is an interceptor and strike fighter http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052
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Strike-fighter/interceptor =/= multi-role

agaugust:
ATR-42 radar range is 407 km. On this forum, I am known to be honest
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You are known as the single most deceitfull person on this forum

Now, citation please

agaugust:
SANDF data-link has not helped them against Rhino poachers dribbling their entire air force and 21 battalion + special forces combined

Link.ZA exists only on paper
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Multiple instances of the use of LinkZa to perform capabilities Nigeria could only dream of have been posted on multiple occasions.

Rhino poaching is not a military concern or duty

Henry120:
All of them are swing role fighters retarrd!!

Also my classification was primarily based on capabilities.

No, they are multi-role, strike fighters and air-superiority fighters.

Different classes with completely different capabilities.

The irony that you call me a "retarrd" when you think an F-16 is in the same category of aircraft as a Rafael or Eurofighter

My sides

agaugust:
Radar will do detection as done by radars. Simple.

ATR-42 radar range is 407 km NOT 330 km.....point of correction....407 km for NAF radar.

Get it right !

Prove it

Henry120:
Your LinkZA is only operational on paper.

Multiple instances of its operational use have been posted many times.

Not my problem if you ignore the citations we provide.

agaugust:
[s]#ignorance.

We have educated you many times about Nigerian procurement list and secret proceedures.

Procurement takes time, but NAF has named it`s platforms to be purchased and we have evaluated them.

Tucano was dropped and NAF chose Su-25 Frogfoot Scorpion Variant for COIN, even Janes Defence says so :

http://www.janes.com/article/48842/nigeria-looking-for-more-attack-aircraft

Su-30, JF-17 have been evaluated. Choices will be made, one or both jets.

Nigerian military procurement is covered up in secrecy.

We even see secret new combat helicopters inside NAF base, Eurocopters arrived from France secretly now, it was NEVER announced...[/s]
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Su-25 Frogfoot, Tucano, Su-30, JF-17, T80 Oplot, AirLand Scorpion, ATAK helicopter...

The list of imaginary new toys grows by the day

agaugust:
You keep sying Nigeria wasted money on ISTAR like ATR-42, yet South African air force chief of staff was crying and begging ANC government for money to buy ordinary Beechcraft ISTAR that NAF has been using for years, yet Pretoria government keeps saying no money.

I am sure SAAF is ready to buy NAF aircraft second-hand on credit if we allow your cash-broke SANDF to tender for sale on credit
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You really want to compare who has more money?

SANDF budget is allmost double yours, and soon it will be quadruple yours

agaugust:
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[s]ATR-42 Surveyor of NAF has 407 km radar range ! Fact !

Multi-mission capable for air to land and air to sea ISTAR.

It also does partial AWACS for secondary air to air ISTAR missions.

It`s radar is jamming proof and anti-ECM.

Facts ! All Factual Facts !

This ISTAR weekend has been a very bad season for ALL South Africans on this forum[/s]
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Citations needed for all of the above

agaugust:
[s]It does not need to fly above the battlefield, ATR-42 Surveys the battle from 407 km away you dunce[/s]
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Citation needed

agaugust:
Okay then, show us the ISTAR console inside your Lynx and tell us it`s flight endurance hours, plus altitude that will not let ZSU-23 eat it up
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The beauty of a datalink is that it does not need to have a console inside of it

agaugust:
Citation needed !
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Citation unnecessary

agaugust:
Hawk jet CANNOT work alone, needs Gripen jet to be airborne, you need multiple aircraft flying at the same time to do simple recce...LOL.

One single NAF Beechcraft ISTAR is = the whole SAAF aircraft fleet
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Weird that you would say that

Since your Beechraft is not ISTAR

Unless you mean I-STARE because that is all the crew of a VIP transport can do - stare out the window

agaugust:
....simply because SANDF-SAAF have ZERO airborne ISTAR
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Simply because that is fact

agaugust:
Citation needed
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Intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance

All things that the Kondor-E can do

agaugust:
The Southie `pilot fighter` is posting man-portable shoulder carried 10 km range radar, foot walking soldiers have become ISTAR aeroplane in South Africa o !
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You know the range of the thales squire radar

So, why are you telling lies again? Your deceit shines through as usual!

agaugust:
Dude, seriously ? You are posting SANDF army vehicle ISTAR as your air power airborne ISTAR ?

Does your army vehicles fly like aeroplanes? Are you so bastardized by ATR-42 that you cannot even think again?
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You are posting hand carried 10 km range radars on this forum....u dey maaaad ?
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Are you saying that the Thales radar has a 10km range?

agaugust:
Dude, seriously ? You are posting SANDF army vehicle ISTAR as your air power airborne ISTAR ?

Does your army vehicles fly like aeroplanes? Are you so bastardized by ATR-42 that you cannot even think again?
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You are so bastardized that you dont realize that the majority of ISTAR units are ground based?

agaugust:
South Africans know data-link only on paper, they have no idea about it`s operation in real combat.....Nigeria will educate them
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How can you educate us on that which you do not have?

agaugust:
SAAF helicopters have NO recce radar to gather intelligence.

Gripen with recce pod = F-7 jet with recce pod.

Cessna is a toy plane with ZERO radar.

One single NAF Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft outclasses and out-performs ALL the South African air force recce and surveillance aircraft combined.

SAAF = ZERO ISTAR in 21st century
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Gripen Recce Pod > F-7 Recce Pod

Lynx has just such a radar

Cessna has the capabilities to comply with the definition of ISTAR

Your Beechcraft are not ISTAR platforms - they are VIP transport