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Uteghe:
Does eternal life live in the soul or spirit?

it lives in both.
God is a spirit, he has eternal life.
We are souls, we have eternal life.

nelsonoba:
Bros, I was reading the bible this morning and I saw this and remembered the conversation we were having here some days ago. So I thought to also show you cos even me myself, I'm not sure I had noted this part of the bible before now;


Genesis 5:3-4 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite


So Adam had actually lived 130years old before he and Eve gave birth to Seth who happens to be one of only 3 of the direct children of Adam & Eve mentioned by name in the bible. And of course, Cain and Abel were already born before Seth. And verse 5 mentions that Adam also "begat" sons and DAUGHTERS.

So we don't know how many children in total that Adam and Eve had, but we can be sure that A man and woman who were 130years old and giving birth to their 3rd recorded son at that age must have given birth to many other children before that age......especially given the fact that there was no family planning available at that time

exactly!
I saw it too that very day we were discussing about, it never occurred to me that Adam and Eve had other children before Cain and Abel.

But again, there are possibilities that God must have created other races of humans at the same time God created Adam and Eve.
Infact, there are also indicators in the bible which point to existence of evolution.
For instance,

Psalm 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

This could possibly mean that the 130 years life span of Adam before he started having children could mean several millions of 130 days in Gods sight which could be enough period for evolution to occur as it is in the case of other human race including other creatures in various locations of the earth

Uteghe:
Eternal life at where? Heaven or hell?

eternal life is right inside every believer, it is God's nature in us.
That means, as God lives eternally and do not die, we believers do not die too.
We live forever.

Hell is the opposite of eternal life. It means eternal death.

Truthsbitter:
Not just between Jews and gentiles ..
Christ said; Those that knew him, but decide to willingly disobey would be punished more than those who knew him not but also did what was against his (christ) will. if we say it should be between Jews and gentiles it wouldn't be entirely correct because Christ is talking about after he should have paid the ultimate price for salvation and that would mean no difference between Jews and gentiles or slave and free humans, and it would mean a difference in judgement between the believer who had become enlightened by the spirit of Christ (whether jew or gentile) and the man (whether jew or gentile) who has not experience Christ through the brokenness that comes by and from the spirit of Christ that works in men to bring into reality the kingdom of God.

if you say so, no wahala!
The bottom-line is, the scripture lay emphasis on accepting Christ than being obedient to the law

how do you remain a part of the body of God with a conscious and a willfully "disobedience/pain"?

like I have said before, there are consequences of being disobedient irrespective of the fact that one is part of the body of Christ.

what then would be your service if not inflicting pain/disobedience which ye consist of on others?
isn't that the work of the devil and shouldn't such a person be part of the body of the devil?
or would you say the other part of the Christ is the devil?

it is possible for a Christian who is part of God's kingdom and is of Christ doing works of the devil, but that doesn't mean he belongs to the devil.

OkCornel:
Bro, I hope you read where I mentioned severally on this thread that the works which comes from Faith in Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with the works of the Law... No one is justified through the works of the Law.

But the fruits of the spirit and obedience to the words of Jesus...


A proper understanding of "works" is the issue here.

Claiming to have faith without works (in this context the fruits of the spirit and obedience to Jesus'teachings) is a dead faith.

James gave clear example of works using Rahab and Abraham. They expressed their works at a time they were never under the Law...

The works James used as an example for Abraham and Rahab had nothing to do with the Mosaic Law...

please works is works anytime.
The mosaic law comprises of the 10 commandments and other jewish traditional laws(Google the mosaic law), they are all classified as works.
The fruits of the spirits mentioned in Galatians 5: 22 and the works of the flesh mentioned in Galatians 5:19-21 are all classified as works where the fruits of the spirits are good works while the works of the flesh are bad works.
The works of Rahab and Abraham are also classified as good works which justifies them as mentioned by James.

For instance, the fruits of the spirit includes love, joy, peace, long suffering, goodness.... or whatever!
If you relate all that to the 10 commandments you will see the correlation.

Thou shall not steal, you can't get joy or peace when you still.
Thou shall not commit adultery, if you do so, that means you don't have long suffering or goodness.

Even to sacrifice Ram and bullocks to God in the old testament was good works

So, you see, they are all inter related that's why they are all classified as works irrespective of whether they are in the new covenant or old covenant.

Truthsbitter:
@bolded. I perfectly understand where you're coming but I would like to add that any of those personalities you've mentioned if truly comes to accepts Christ will begin to live a new life whether in their profession or not, their actions and works begins to bring beauty, peace, love ...(good fruits) to themselves and to others by the reason of the salvation brought unto them through Christ.

that is, if they deem it fit to change their mind and start bringing good fruits for themselves. But if they choose not to, they are still saved through grace nothing changes about their salvation. God will never change his mind on his free gift, He is not man.

otherwise they are headed towards a second death by crucifying Christ the second time.

This does not mean conciliation of salvation. what that simply means is that they are headed towards facing the consequences of not repenting from their ways.
You know there are consequences for being prostitute, the individual may end up contracting STD's, For ISIS he may be killed for being a fundamentist. There are consequences for every sin, this consequences has nothing to do with the salvation of the individual. Remember the thief that was crucified with Christ? He died for stealing, but that doesn't stop his salvation.

Romans 3:31 KJV
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

very true! You see now that the law still took it course inspite the fact that the thief had faith in Christ on the cross and was saved, he was killed by the law for stealing inspite his faith in Christ.
So let any Christian thinking that because he is saved therefore he goes about committing sin, he will surely go for it

Luke 12:42-48 KJV
And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? [43] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [44] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. [45] But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [46] The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him , and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [47] And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself , neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes . [48] But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes . For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Christ was only drawing analogy between the Jews and gentiles in this parable, not between a Christian who is bearing good fruit and another Christian who is not bearing good fruit.
Remember the Jews were like the servants of God by virtue of the covenant God had with their forefather Abraham, who were waiting for the coming of Christ their Messiah but the gentiles who never had any covenant with God were wallowing idolatry knowing nothing about God or Christ, these gentiles will be beaten with few stripes while the Jews will be beaten with more stripes because they were given the covenant and much was expected from them.

Bodydialect57:
Whether we repent or not? Luke 24:47 says "And that repentance and remission of sins be preached in His name among all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem..

put all scriptures into consideration to draw out the conclusion, not just depend on only Luke 24:47

It seems the whole logic behind this thing is difficult for a mere lay man to understand, but if you reason the whole scriptures properly the logic is true.

Put it this way, one entity is mutually exclusive to the other entity.
Repentance is a good message don't get me wrong, it should be preached in line with salvation.
As one is saved he also needs to repent of his sins, but at the back of our minds it is important to note that the repentance we want people to repent is mutually exclusive to salvation as put in John 3:6

John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Flesh is not equal to spirit, there is mutual exclusivity there , they are not mutually dependent on each other

Also,

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

There is mutual exclusivity between FAITH and THE LAW. They are not mutually dependent on each other.

FAITH is synonymous to SPIRIT in John 3:6 and they fall into the same category and going by their justification they give eternal life(the end that justifies the believe in Christ as Christ is the only way. See also John3:16)

And THE LAW is synonymous to FLESH in John 3:6, they are both things of this physical life therefore they falls in the same category(exclusively from the category of FAITH, SPIRIT AND ETERNAL LIFE)

keeping the law is simply repentance from sin and it saves the flesh from being judged here on this earth, that's why Christ desires that repentance should be preached with salvation in Luke 24:47.
But it does not mean it has anything to do with salvation

if you put all scriptures in consideration which most Nigerian pastors have failed to do.

When you get to Europe and other developed nations where people have a well developed brain capacity to understand, you will know what I'm talking about

OkCornel:
Lifestyletonite, Hebrews 10 v 26 invalidates your theory of having faith but still living a sinful life will take believers to heaven...

i put all scriptures into consideration to draw out the conclusion, not just only Hebrews 10:26.

It seems the whole logic behind this thing is difficult for a mere lay man to understand, but if you reason it properly the logic is true.

Put it this way, one entity is mutually exclusive to the other entity.
Repentance is a good message don't get me wrong, it should be preached in line with salvation.
As one is saved he also needs to repent of his sins, but at the back of our minds it is important to note that the repentance we want people to repent is mutually exclusive to salvation as put in John 3:6

John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Flesh is not equal to spirit, there is mutual exclusivity there. They are not mutually dependent on each other

Also,

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

There is mutual exclusivity between FAITH and THE LAW. They are not mutually dependent on each other

FAITH is synonymous to SPIRIT in John 3:6 and they fall into the same category and going by their justification they give eternal life(the end that justifies the believe in Christ as Christ is the only way. See also John3:16)

And THE LAW is synonymous to FLESH in John 3:6, they are both things of this physical life therefore they falls in the same category(exclusively from the category of FAITH, SPIRIT AND ETERNAL LIFE)

keeping the law is simply repentance from sin and it saves the flesh from being judged here on this earth, that's why Christ desires that repentance should be preached with salvation in Luke 24:47.

But it does not mean it has anything to do with salvation if you put all scriptures in consideration which most Nigerian pastors have failed to do.

When you get to Europe and other developed nations where people have a well developed brain capacity to understand, you will know what I'm talking about

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nelsonoba:
Are you aware that this was a time when human beings were living to over 900years old?

true!

Do you know Adam and Eve had other children apart from Cain and Abel? Have you not read it in Genesis 4:25

very true!

Do you know that it is technically possible for one person to have given birth to over 100 children if they had a life span of 900 years? As a matter of fact, if I decided to be giving birth to children every 5years from the age of 50, by the time I am 550years old, I would have had 100 children (if I never had twins among them) and I would still have had another 400years ahead of me to live.

you are very correct

Do you also know that up until the time God brought the Israelites out of Egypt and gave them the law, people used to marry their brothers and sisters? As a matter of fact, do you know that father Abraham married his Niece? Yes! Sarah was Abraham's father's brother's daughter. So for you to think it's not possible for Cain to have married one of his sisters or relatives is totally mistaken.

you are absolutely right in all these, Cain must have picked a wife from among his sisters, but that still do not anul the possibility that God must have created humans at various locations on the earth surface other than the Garden of Eden at the time of creation, going by the distribution of human race world wide .

I mean humans could not possibly migrate through foot walking from the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve were created, up to places like Africa, Asia, Europe and the current America considering the distance apart.

Joagbaje:
Read genesis

where in Genesis?

Keep deceiving yourselves that Adam and Eve were the only humans God created.

On the contrary, Genesis 4:17 says Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch...

Have you ever asked yourself where did Cain saw his wife to marry her ?

Is the wife not having people?
Where do they came from?

There are no indication in the bible that Adam and Eve were the only humans God created at the time of creation

Koshae:
God please have mercy

have you ever asked yourself this question, is there any scripture in the bible indicating rapture?

Certainly, there is no scripture supporting that belief. That's why all your op post never come with one scripture.

See, we choose to believe the bible rather than believing man made doctrines.

I encourage you, go back to your bible, know the truth and be free.

smirn:
The case before the election court is not about accreditation, its about result.

if there is server for accreditation certainly, there is server for result.

Previous elections never used server for accreditation, contents of card readers were never transmitted through the internet until 2019.

adanny01:
This is deliberate dumbness.

What INEC transmitted was ACCREDITATION DATA not results. The have a server for ACCREDITATION DATA but not for ELECTION RESULTS.

At the heat of election planning, it was not known whether Buhari will sign an electoral amendment or not. INEC made arrangements, if he signs it, well, the manual and card reader has it and it will just be activated. If he doesn't, they will just ignore it and will not deploy facilities towards electronic transmission.

He didn't sign it so the app on the card reader was not activated and the server never used.

It baffles me how the story PDP has fabricated is making sense to some people.

then INEC should allow the tribunal inspect the accreditation data, it's simple.

After several weeks of accusation, counter accusation, as well as denial, a recently leaked memo of the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) has revealed that the commission transmitted voter accreditation data during the 2019 presidential elections from Smart Card Readers (SCR) to a central server, as claimed by the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP).
The leaked memo, dated March 25, 2019, was signed by the Secretary to the Commission, Mrs. Rose Oriaran-Anthony, and posted on Twitter on Wednesday by a former aide to former President Goodluck Jonathan, Reno Omokri.
The electoral body had on February 27, 2019 declared President Muhammadu Buhari of the All Progressives Congress (APC) as the winner of the presidential election.
Despite the claim by the commission that Buhari mustered a total of 15,191,847 votes to defeat the presidential candidate of the PDP, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar, who scored 11,262,978 votes, the opposition party and his candidate headed to court to challenge his victory.
The former vice president and the PDP told the Presidential Election Tribunal sitting in Abuja that he rejected the results citing irregularities, while also claiming that data from the server of INEC revealed that his votes were reduced in 31 states and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT).
Atiku also claimed that he defeated Buhari with 1,615,302 votes. He said data from INEC server showed that he actually polled a total of 18,356,732 votes to defeat President Muhammadu Buhari, who had 16,741,430 votes.
To give more credence to his claim, the former vice president also gave the “unique MAC address and Microsoft product ID of the INEC server,” from where he claimed the results were obtained.
According to him, “The servers from which the said figures were derived belongs to the first respondent (INEC). The figures and votes were transmitted to the first respondent’s Presidential Result’s Server 1 and thereafter aggregated in INEC_PRES_RSLT_SRV2019, whose Physical Address or unique Mac Address is 94-57-A5-DC-64-B9 with Microsoft Product ID 00252-7000000000-AA535. The above descriptions are unique to the 1st respondent’s server.”
However, the electoral body argued at the tribunal that it did not transmit results through electronic channels, but used manual collation as stipulated by law.
INEC according to it excerpts filings before the tribunal said, “It does not share information with such an unclassified entity and any information purportedly derived therefrom which does not accord with the result as declared by INEC is not authentic but rather was invented for the purpose. INEC specifically denies the existence of electronic transmission of results and it is unknown to the Electoral Act 2010 (as amended).”
But the INEC manual used for the training of ad-hoc staff prior to the elections proved otherwise, because it states in ‘Step 6’ under closing of polls that the Presiding Officer shall “send the number of voters verified from Smart Card Reader to INEC back end server.”
Meanwhile, the recently leaked memo, Oriaran-Anthony directed INEC resident electoral commissioners to provide feedback on challenges experiences during the elections, including failure to transmit voter accreditation data to a server.
She also instructed the Residents Electoral Commission (RECs) to direct their respective heads of department (ICT) to download the list of the polling units without accreditation data for their states from a provided web link.
Oriaran-Anthony stated: “The commission has observed, with deep concerns, the number of smart card readers that do not have data of accredited voters in the just concluded presidential/NASS elections nationwide.
“The total number of SCRs without accreditation data is 4,786 nationwide, which stands at about 4 per cent of the total SCRs deployed for that election. Attached is the chart, showing the PUs not uploaded to the SCR accreditation backend, for each of the states.” “You are please requested to liaise with your Head of Department (HOD) election operations and the electoral officers to provide comments beside each PU, stating why there are no accreditation data.
“The comments should reflect what happened to the SCR or the results of the PU: covering cases where election did not hold, cancellation of PU result, stolen or destroyed SCRs, etc. This should be submitted in both soft and hard copies, latest by Thursday, 28th May, 2019.”
For instance, the chart showed that in Abia state, the total number of Poll Units (Pus) is 2,675; the number of PUs with SCR data is 2,590, number of PU without SCR data is 85, while compliance with SCR usage was 96.8 per cent.
In Ekiti, total number of Poll units is 2,195, the number of PUs with SCR data is 2,194, number of PU without SCR data is 1, while compliance with SCR usage was 100 per cent

In plateau, the total number of PUs is 2,631, the number of PUs with SCR data is 2,506, the number of PUs without SCR data is 125, while compliance with SCR usage was 95.2 per cent
Also, in Kano, the total number of PUs is 8,074, Number of PUs with SCR data is 7,765 number of PU without SCR data is 309, while compliance with SCR usage was 96.2 per cent
In Rivers State, the total number of PUs is 4,442, the number of PUs with SCR data is 3,344, number of PU without SCR data is 1,098, while compliance with SCR usage was 76.3 per cent, making it the least state to have complied to the SCR usage
Besides, a corps member who served in Ibadan, Oyo state and simply identified herself as Adenike told THISDAY that all the results of the 2019 elections were transmitted to the central server. She added that as Assistant Presiding Officer (APO) during the election, her job was to transmit the result electronically.
According to her, “All the results were transmitted. It is the work of APO to transmit results.”
To further prove his case before the tribunal, Atiku had through his counsel said he would present 400 witnesses before the tribunal, with the parties agreeing to workable modalities in the management of time to ensure the petition was dispensed within the 180 days allowed by the Electoral Act.
Based on the agreement, ten days was allotted to the petitioners to open and close their argument, which commenced on July 4 and would expire on July 17.
The witnesses presented by Atiku so far, told the tribunal how thugs of the APC in connivance with security agents chased agents of the petitioners away for INEC to carry out the alleged manipulation of the results. They said in some instances where results submitted from the polling units and wards did not tally, the returning officer had to ask them to go back and correct it, leading to a lot of mutilation and cancellation in most of the results sheets.
Some of the witnesses said that while the security officials had ignored the complaints about the anomalies surrounding the conduct of the election, INEC officials told them to take their complaints and whatever grievances they have to the election tribunal.
Based on the above, a witness from Kaduna State, Major Yahaya Sikko, earlier in his evidence, had told the tribunal that wrong figures were accredited to Buhari and APC making him to refuse to sign the result sheet as required by law.
He told the tribunal that the abnormalities affected the results released by the electoral umpire. The witness said in his presence results were doctored by APC agents with the full backing of security personnel.
Another witness from Kaduna, AbdulRaman Usman, who corroborated the claims of over voting and allocation of results to parties in Kaduna State, said he could not sign Form EC8A because the form was not made available to the agents of the petitioners as required by law.
In his evidence, the Borno State Collation Officer, Nicholas Msheila, said he rejected most results in the 27 local government areas in the state because they were fraudulent.
Though the witness said the results declared by INEC exceeded the number of accredited voters, he could not give the figure of the accredited voters.
Msheila told the five-member tribunal that in all the results tendered in the state, there was evidence of mistake.
“The state collation officer would ask them to go back and reconcile results before returning,” he added.
Also testifying, Adams Ali Sanni admitted that he did not sign results sheets as agents of the petitioners because results were altered in his presence while votes cast for Atiku and PDP were reduced also in his presence.
He alleged that apart from unlawful cancellation of results, PDP agents were chased away by thugs of the APC to allow free falsification of results in favour of Buhari.
A witness from Bauchi State, Yau Yusuf, in attesting to claim of rigging, harassment and intimidation of voters, said election results were torn by a particular agent of the APC in the presence of INEC officials at INEC headquarters in Dass Local Government Area, yet nothing was done.
He added that the results announced by INEC were a reproduced copy while the police took the torn copy with a promise to prosecute the perpetrator.
All the witnesses from Borno stated that the results declared by INEC in Borno State could not have been true because of the issue of insurgency and bomb blast that prevented many people from casting their votes.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/07/14/how-leaked-memo-unravel-the-mystery-behind-inecs-mysterious-server/

Keep living in delusion waiting for rapture that will never come.

Don't go and take your present very life seriously first

You think God is interested in fiction?

Wetin that bucket of water dey do outside, abi the man dey commind rain to fall ?

How Yaya Bello go take compete with this kinda person win?

very funny senator

Righteousness89:
My Brother, First of all, I salute your Knowledge of GOD'S WORD ( THE BIBLE)

My Argument was on the Message of the pastor posted here Which bothered on the Relevance of the Old Testament of the Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is a Complete Guide for The Human Race..

The Corrections that we are meant to make is in Right in the Bible.. There is no Correction Outside the Bible...

The Bible like I said is GOD'S WORD... There is no part that is not for our Edification today

very true my bro

Righteousness89:
I Have Told u Bro.. The Bible is GOD'S to All Humanity

no one is disputing this one. But does this mean that the old testament is also bible in reality?
I don't think so.

So stop picking old testament laws that are not relevant to Christianity saying it is bible. That is what the pastor is saying.

Today you have learn something new.

You don't pick one part of the Bible and give interpretations.

constructively analyse one of my statement that point that i pick one part of the bible let's see.

You just have to be discrete and accurate this modern day that there is education otherwise you will face serious criticism like the church is currently facing today by both believers and non-believers due to inherent dogmatism of todays church.

GOD is a Spirit and HIS things are not done with the Carnal Mind of Knowledge

done by who?
By God himself who is a spirit or by humans?

God created humans in canal body in his imagine and likeness in. Everything we do as humans we do in our canal body.
The brain we ought to apply in other to comprehend scriptures and other written materials is canal and not spiritual. Whether we understand or not will depend on how the individual uses his brain and not God who is spirit.

Simply Obey His words..

You don't need a Pastor or Bishop or whatever to Misdirect u

again, do you imitate old order of doing things in the old testament this modern day as a Christian saying you are oheying God's word?

1.Do you put on white garment and walk barefooted on streets saying you are obeying God's word simply because priests of old testament put on white garments and Moses was barefooted in the burning bush?

2.Do you pay tithe saying you are obeying God's word simply because the Jews paid tithe?

3. Do you sacrifice animals for atonement of your sins saying you are obeying God's word?

4. Do you slaughter fellow human beings in battle and destroy all their goods saying you are obeying God's words because God instructed some people to do that in the old testament?

If you choose to keep all these because you want to obey God's word, then do all of them. because.

James 2: 10 says For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

No part of the Bible is Useless

very true! But you should know that some part were written for us to learn and know how life used to be in the old, therefore no part is useless like you said. But the way we use it matters to us today.
They were written in order for us to make correction and amendment where necessary and not to repeat their lifestyle and mistakes by making doctrines out of them.
They were written so that by the time we know, we can make amendment towards living our lives today better than people of the old who never saw God's kingdom. Matthew 11:11

Righteousness89:
The Bible says HE is the Same , Yesterday, Today and Forever..

on what condition that he is the same, yesterday, today and forever?
Do you think this scripture applies to all condition?
If that is what you think you are being deceived.

For you to have a clear understanding of the scripture you quoted read verses 11 and 12 with the scripture

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp

Verse 11 here is talking about the Israelites sacrificing beast(animals) in their sanctuary for the atonement of their sins. This was the first condition of appease God, it had nothing to do with Jesus Christ .

But here is verse 12 talking about the second condition which requires Jesus being crucified for the atonement of sins WHICH REMAINS THE SAME, TODAY AND FOREVER (not the first condition of the old covenant)

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

So, you can see that when Hebrews was saying Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, it has nothing to do with old testament or the old covenant.

Old covenant was of Abraham, new covenant was of Christ. Jesus can never be the same as Abraham saying he is the same, yesterday, today and forever

Righteousness89:
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Totally False..
Are you Moses?
Did GOD Command You to strike?

If HE did, then obey..

you already know that God cannot command anyone to strike a rock this modern day.
It has never happened since the inception of the new covenant through Christ since approximately 2000 years ago that a pastor striked rock to bring water, what for?

This modern day that through science one can sink borehole and purify drinking water for a whole community and you are still talking about how a pastor miraculously bring water from a rock like Moses?

You must be having a very ridiculous primitive mindset and for sure, that is not Christianity you are practicing like that
Or do you have any example of a pastor who is still doing any such primitive things today? I don't think so

it will never happen now.

So be realistic like what the pastor has said and give up your deception it will not work.

Righteousness89:
Very False......

Stylishly desecrating the Bible....

Symptoms of False Prophets...

Matthew 24:34
Heaven and Earth shall Pass away, but my Words shall not pass away

No part of the Bible is obsolete....
Every Part has their importance...

You Have the Promises of GOD littered everywhere in the Bible.. Which when applied, you get the same Result as of Old..

Whatever your Eyes can cover , you can Receive

The GOD OF Abramham, Issac and Jacob is the Same GOD OF Today..



Beware of Man in whatever Title or disguise ... so you don't be deceived...

We are in the Very Last days... Anytime, Just Anytime, JESUS WILL APPEAR...

The devil is doing all he can to take the Believers off...

GOD GIVE US UNDERSTANDING

big lie!!!!

The pastor is right, God made his word specific to very generation. Some for the old era, and they are not to be applied for us this modern day.

When God commanded Moses to strike the rock in order to get water, we should not ignorantly go about striking rocks looking for water today simply because it was written in the old testament, we will never get the same result.

Same with tithing and all those old laws

The pastor is right!
Some laws in the old testament don't work for anyone this days. They are all archaic

Yes!

Pastor Enoch Adeboye, General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, RCCG, has warned of an impending plague in Nigeria if the shedding of innocent blood in the country continues.
Adeboye said this during the Church’s July Holy Ghost Service held Friday night at the Redemption Camp and broadcast in the church’s parishes in Nigeria and 197 other countries.
During his sermon with the theme: “Swimming in Glory” and subtitled “Born to be great,” the pastor, while speaking on national issues, said too much shedding of innocent blood in a country is likely to lead to a plague

The Cleric further urged the church to continue praying for bloodshed and killings to stop.
“Blood is powerful, blood has a voice and it speaks. When the ground is saturated with the blood of innocent people, the ground speaks.
“Nigerians should pray for the killings to stop before the blood-soaked ground responds.
“When innocent blood is shed it goes into the ground and too much of it makes the ground respond in the form of plagues,” he said.

Exodora:
So since the said pastor is innocent what stops him from voicing out since by saying yes or no
Why saying God ask him to be quiet . The same God whose name is been rubbish here .
I guess when someone accused you of something , the best way to clear the air should be by public saying I did it or I didn't , why keeping mute for so long.
Even at the extend of stepping down what does it show.
If he is innocent and Busola had no evidence to back up her claim why not sue her for damages but no because as a man of God he knows the consequence of that.
If am been accused wrongly what do I do is not to file the case , why did he step down if he so innocent? Why haven't Nigerians heard anything from him since then .
And lastly for your information the pastor didn't wed Timi and Busola watch Timi's video .
Pastor is guilty whether you like it or not as a man of God he should let pride go and confess to God he will walk home as a free man.

the man has already denied that he committed the crime from day one he was accused(check the date of the screenshot article below), so why are you people forcing guilt to him when you don't have evidence?

reuben79:
yes.....but is can never possible to be a number1 without a full student of dat school

the report didn't say he was number 1, it says he was a chief priest.

PrecisionFx:
U have chosen not to understand the reason she came to social media, i leave u to ur foolery.

she has the right to go to social media, but again, it would have been far better if she had also say in the interview that she has gone to court as well, that will be assured to people she is not making false accusation

The story isn't degrading her in anyway, only rapists n pastor supporters can entertain such silly excuse

no, it is degrading her. It is showing her level of intelligence because she did not say anything about how she was going to seek redress.

You are saying someone raped you and the person is saying i did not do it, then you leave the matter to die that way. Next time another lady come up with the same complain people will not take her seriously.

She has already gone to court.

that is very good! So let's see the outcome and hope the accused is indicted

Angelfrost:
My good sir, I sense you didn't quite the essence and import of the entire write up. There was no bias nor prejudice... He simply used the entire drama as a teachable opportunity to point out basic things every believer should be well aware of...

ok

He didn't castigate or vilify the accused (a fellow labourer in God's vineyard), neither did he try to defend or make light of the grievous accusations. That's called balance.

I just noticed that

You strongly feel or sense indirect judgement from the scriptural exhortations... That's because, no matter how we all try to neutrally broach this issue, we can't ignore the not too hidden implication of several pointers to sexual infidelity... If it were a lone or isolated case of alleged infidelity, I doubt there would have been even the slightest uproar. While the accused here might be innocent of rape, the negative history of sexcapades or sexual misconducts can't be easily swept under...

This whole issue remains a huge lesson to all in sensitive ministerial positions within and without the church... It's a call to decency, discipline, and proprietary.

The man of God has delivered a Divine counsel... Wise people have taken heed. If you insist on poking holes, and calling him names, that's your right and opinion.

alright! I understand now, thanks!

PrecisionFx:
Because of rustication

exactly !

And some students were never students from day one, yet you see them hanging around as if they are one, afterall nobody knows who is who

PrecisionFx:
Sorry to burst ur bubble, rape cases aren't treated in that way in court. The rape victim brother knew about and and confronted the pastor with a knife and he apologise.

The church leaders also knew about it and begged the victim back then to forgive and forget to save the church.

These people will be cross examined under oath in court, they will establish a fact we already all know.


Nigerian courts also rarely accept electronic evidence because if can be doctored and the courts don't have the knowledge n skill to detect which is which.














Keep waiting for rape video evidence.

in that case, let the brother and her go ahead and litigate the pastor straight ahead since they already know about it, it will be far better than her coming out on social media, and if she must come out, then she should brief people the court precidings.

All these noise making of rape without substances are degrading her rather than the pastor who is accused