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People like Billy Graham has caused so much confusion in today's Christianity.

Africa is the greatest victim.

Who is truly the king?

churchee:
It is either you are not educated, or you refused to learn.
James 1:27
This is what the father considers as true religion; to take care of orphans and widows in their sufferings and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.

Churchee.

Mr Educated man there is difference between RELIGION and being RELIGIOUS .

Oxford dictionary definitions

RELIGION : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group.
Example : the Christian religion, the Islamic religion.

RELIGIOUS : scrupulously and conscientiously faithful,fervent and zealous
Example : my religious beliefs forbids me to drink alcohol

FACT!!

there is no such thing like juju, witchcraft or blood money or powerful babalawo, or die by fire prayer

This very Pope is highly educated.
God bless him.

And may God purnish primitivity in religion that has ruled mankind over the years and has put them in perpetual boundage.

Xzellentgraphic:
As a man you need a good christian woman in your life to stand in gap for u in terms of prayer

does prayer make someone good?

We make short prayers together most times,very important,but not those elaborate and long prayers, then we focus on trying to do what is right.

Iceflox:
Hmm!
what does it mean to be religious?

it means regular church going and being a active member.

I'm a Christian, if my wife was religious person i wouldn't have married her.
I will prefer to marry an irreligious Muslim than to marry a religious Christian.
Imagin, when it is time to make love one person will be speaking in tongues what kinda thing is that?

Zombies are the ones wailing the most

Zombies are the ones wailing the most

Babalawo and ritualistic mfm, do you think your success in life depend on praying ritualistic prayers?

All these Yoruba olukoya people with their juju-like religion practicing Christianity sef

pfadom:
Over to you my peeps. This lady seems to making sense of what she had seen, heard or known of some members of the church.

the lady is not making sense at all.
Me, I cannot go to winners and my reasons are more genuine.
What the lady put up there are very ridiculous reasons.

CodeTemplar:
You inserted what I haven't said into my comment and still further changed its interpretation from its simple meaning before going on to reply to it. If you are serious, back up your own arguments with relevant scriptures and stop replying to figments of your own imagination.

NB: If you want to debate about the identity of the bible itself you can open another thread for it.

OK, I agree.
I inserted what you haven't said in your comment.
But can you please explain what you mean by

If I follow that ur interpretation then no part of the bible is for non-Jews.

Because, certainty, it means no part of tithing is for non-Jews as I have earlier said which is very true.

CodeTemplar:
If I follow that ur interpretation then no part of the bible(tithing) is for non-Jews.

because all parts of the bible is for tithing or what?
Please don't bring bible into it we were talking about tithing.

factual truth
Have you ever heard of the law of excluded middle?
Google it and see how it applies here.

Tithing has it own identity
The bible has it own identity totally excluded and different from the tithing.

Don't make that mistake to assume that tithing is the whole bible itself, it does not follow.

CodeTemplar:
I thought it good to hear the opinion of those who hitherto opposed prosperity of churches as entities and tithing.

Zechariah 1:17
Cry yet, saying, Thus said the LORD of hosts; My cities through prosperity shall yet be spread abroad; And the LORD shall yet comfort Zi'on, and shall yet chose Jerusalem.



As for tithe, Jesus Himself says in Mathew 23:23;


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Explanation.
We have three values or instructions or commandments. The scribes ignored them. They are judgement, mercy and faith but paid tithes and Jesus told them
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Tithing was for the Jews to pay, not Christians.
And Christ never discouraged them, infact he encouraged them to pay because it was already their tradition.

But that encouragement should not be mistaken that tithing is also for Christians

Ok, Ok, thank you ,we hear you.
Olofus dey inside your opinion for inside today for this rape matter o

As Much as it is the right of any church to conduct wedding for any couple that wish to do so , it is also the right for any couple to boy-cott wedding ceremonies and begin to live together as one the moment they find love if they wish to do so.
Therefore, bf and gf relationships should be taken seriously like marriage so long the people involved are 18+, any cheating by the bf or gf amount to adultery just like any unfaithfullness by the husband or wife amount to adultery.

No fewer than One-Hundred and Twenty suspected cultists who were identified to be terrorizing the people of Ebonyi State have at the weekend denounced their membership.
It was gathered that the said cultists who hail from the 13 Local Government Areas of the State, were told to converged at the State headquarters of the Christ Embassy church located at old Abakaliki- Enugu road.
An eyewitness who spoke to newsmen and a prominent leader of the church said the suspected cultists willingly accepted to denounce their membership shortly after listening to the State Pastor of Christ Embassy church, Mrs. Eunice Oyeyemi.
He said: “Cult members denounced their membership and immediately got baptized in Christ Embassy. They confessed their willingness to renounce cult activities.

“They fully accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior and immediately, they were baptized and promised never to engage in such ugly activities.
” I sincerely wish to applaud the Governor for this great initiative of changing destinies and lives for Ebonyians. To me, this is the best gift ever.
“There’s a great joy when a sinner repent. Talk to that boy close to his early grave in your various villages and bring them to church for rehabilitation,” he stated.
Investigation revealed that the denouncing of membership by the said cultists was unconnected with the directive of the governor, Chief David Umahi, that anyone who will be appointed into his new cabinet must denounce cultism.
Recall that, some persons who denounced their membership in cultism last two months, got appointment from the state government.
DAILY POST gathered that next week Thursday, another set of suspected cultists will denounce their membership and will receive baptism at the same venue.

https://dailypost.ng/2019/08/10/120-cultists-denounce-membership-baptized-ebonyi-church/

I support the bishop, but don't be surprise that the curse may not work.
Curse or no curse, karma will surely visit everyone perpetrating evil. when that happens, it does not mean there was a curse.

beg na African magic jo

Op, you are very right

Christmasdon:
so arsenal can now win the league.

says who?
Top 4 is our goal for now

Yes

VITAL TRUTH CHRISTIANS OF TODAY NEED TO KNOW SO THAT THEY WILL BE FREE
2. You were created to remain on this earth
It's so ridiculous in a world where educated westerners are investing so much in education, science and technology improving lives, some primitive African folks are still canvassing for rapture.

Look, Africans need to wake up from their nightmare.
Christians need to put away every stupid doctrines or beliefs that is causing their set back and take the bull by the horn.
They should start taking responsibility.

For Gods sake Christians have everything to succeed.
They have the bible!
They have their brains!

Rapture is one of the beliefs Christian missionaries and colonial masters brought to Africa in the 18th century when there was no education. Primitive people wallowed in fear waiting all their life time for rapture to come and rescue them from their slave masters which seems to be their only hope of freedom.
Looking at the scriptures, there is similarity to this situation with the Jews waiting for Jesus Christ(their coming Messiah) to come and rescue them from the grip of slavery meted on them by the Roman empire in bible days, they thought the Messiah will come and end the world. So, the disciples asked Jesus

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Very primitive question, WHAT SHALL BE THE END OF THE WORLD?

VITAL TRUTH CHRISTIANS OF TODAY NEED TO KNOW SO THAT THEY WILL BE FREE
1. The least person in God's kingdom is greater than primitive people. Luke 7:8

Sometimes when I look at Africa i weep,
What the level of ignorance

Those of you that have android phones atleast, there are some bible applications that allows you to search, for instance, this common KJV screen shot below.

Please find out :
a. Why Jesus Christ consistently used the term God's kingdom in his parables?
b. what Jesus Christ actually meant by God's kingdom in his parables?

And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make free.
Religion is a very stupid thing!!

Yes, I'm back! what did you say about the church of God, say it again let me hear?

Oga, the church of God does not operate like the workshop of a man.

the church of God isn't any building or place where people operate, read your bible. There is no amount of operations or ordinances in church that will appease God.
The church of God are Christians worldwide which is the body of Christ. Therefore, there is no point being religious in Christianity,Just be yourself .

When God puts you in a position of authority over His flock, you are expected to uphold the highest standards of morality, and not to act in a way that would be bring the church into disrepute.

so far, fatoyinbo has not been proven not to have high standard of morality!
If you go to his church in Abuja, his members still holds him to high esteem inspite all the accusations, so why should an outsider like you and me kill ourselves thinking the man is not morally upright simply because he was accused of rape without any evidence?

Those watching such a man preaching in church, and continuing to hold moral authority over their lives despite such weighty accusations, will feel that it is morally right to keep on living as if nothing is wrong, despite being in the centre of such controversy. They will believe that you can get away with wrong doing.... and this sends a totally wrong signal about Christianity.

like you have said, you have your own opinion, a very faulty one
For your information, there was jubilation in the church when the man returned to the pulpit after the accusion.
Meaning, his church members are not bordered about the accusations pending on when there are evidences that he actually committed the crime.

Even Fatoyinbo's friends and mentors advised him to step down from the pulpit. Don't you think they know something that you do not know?

then they should come out with whatever they know, we want to hear. Nigerians want to hear!
It's not enough giving advice.
Advice without evidence or proves is foolishness.

So because of fear of damaging her reputation, you believe she should continue to keep quiet about all he did to her? She should sweep all the pain she suffered at his hands all those years ago, under the carpet? So her pain is not justified? Or it does not deserve redress?

who really cares whether she make noise or not?
The only thing to redress are evidences not noise making and emotional outbursts.
Take it to any court of law they will tell her the same thing I'm saying to you now.

Anyway, you are free to hold on to your opinions just like I am free to hold on to mine. End of story....

good bye!!

Yyeske:
You don't respond to every post here, Tinubu only called for commonsense revolution and how the people can use their votes to vote out PDP and not coming into the street unlike Sowore.
Some of them would just see a topic and instead of making more research, they rush in so as to be the FTC exactly as you quoted from Soyinka

so, how is peaceful street protest against bad governance not a common sense revolution like people using their votes?
Don't you think a peaceful protest against bad governance is aimed at revolutionising ill government policies to a better one and not necessarily unseating the government of the day?

laudate:
You Nigerians are very funny. The minute anyone takes a stand opposed to your own, you claim the person is "judging." Have I accused you of "judging"Busola

did i accused you of judging the pastor what are you talking?
Let there be evidence before anyone(including judges in a court of law) can judge the pastor of rape, not you
Must you lack understanding and show it?

Oga, the church of God does not operate like the workshop of a man.

I will respond to this issue about the church of God later, I'm on duty now

A call by National Leader of the All Progressive Congress (APC), Asiwaju Bola Tinubu, has resurfaced in the heat of the debate on the semantics of the use #RevolutionNow for the organisation of series of protests against bad governance in Nigeria.
Tinubu made the call five years ago on September 29, 2014, in a statement titled, 'A Return to Decency'.
Omoyele Sowore, human rights activist and pro-democracy campaigner was abducted Gestapo-style and taken to Abuja by the Department of State Services (DSS) on August 3, 2019, for using the phrase #RevolutionNow to plan peaceful demonstrations.
Tinubu's comments which were reported in national newspapers such as The Punch, DailyPost, PM News, The Nation as well as other news platforms.
When SaharaReporters conducted research on Wednesday, however, The Punch, The Nation, and DailyPost had deleted the online version of the story.
But Punch made the error of leaving behind a 2014 tweet which it posted after publishing the story on Twitter.
The story was tweeted on the verified Punch Newspaper Twitter page, @MobilePunch, at exactly 12:36 pm on September 30, 2014.
The 2014 call by the leader of the APC did not attract operatives of the DSS and was not regarded by the Goodluck Jonathan administration as a treasonable felony.
In the report, Tinubu described the 16 years of PDP rule at the federal level as a period of steady decline into disaster.
He said, “The longer they rule, the less benefit the people derive."
The Punch report quoted Tinubu as saying, "Nigeria now needs a ‘common sense revolution', a revolution that calls forth a return to decency, probity, transparency of process and fairness in outcome.“
"This is done not by subterfuge, divide and rule and turning Nigeria in a field of discord or a street of broken institutions.
"It is accomplished by honouring the principles of democratic good governance and economic justice.
"It is done by persuading the people they are better off as one instead of better off tearing at one another’s throats.“Nigerians should be prepared for change.
"We must rescue Nigeria from those set to cause it irreparable harm. The change I talk about is the only route to our deliverance from 16 years of the PDP locusts."

He described Jonathan’s transformation agenda as an avenue to siphon funds through a dubious blueprint.
Tinubu stated, “They do not have a national blueprint or vision. They do have a blueprint and vision for excessive self-enrichment.
"Their equation is simple: You work, they feast. You toil, they grow fat. You seek a decent wage; they pilfer the collective treasury to enjoy a king’s ransom.”
Other popular Nigerians in the past had also called for a revolution.
On November 30, 2018, Kingsley Moghalu, presidential candidate of the Young Progressives Party in 2019 in an interview with The Guardian called for young people to "rise up for a revolution in 2019".
Popular Nigerian televangelist, Tunde Bakare, and running mate to President Muhammadu Buhari in the 2011 presidential election on April 3, 2016, called for a revolution to correct the current "leakages in government".
In a story reported by The Punch, Bakare had said: “While appreciating the positive developments in our democratic experience, especially the attempts by past and current governments to eliminate systemic leakages, I shall seek to prove that, by a fair preponderance of the credible evidence, the state of the nation calls for a revolution.
“This is a revolution that transcends politics or policies; a revolution that means far more than any change of government; a revolution that means a radical reformation of values as they impact upon the social, economic and political landscapes of our nation."
On May 15, 2019, the Nigerian senate debated a "poverty-triggered revolution in the country" following a motion by Senator Chukwuka Utazi.
In a report by PremiumTimes, Utazi had affirmed: “The Senate recognises that what we are witnessing today is a culmination of long years

http://saharareporters.com/2019/08/07/tinubus-call-revolution-2014-resurfaces-fg-detains-sowore-same-act

laudate:
Time will tell?

exactly!
Let that time come before anyone can judge

But Time has already told it's own tale, going by the revelation, of different women that have come out to say he has sexually assaulted or manipulated them, in one way or the other.

I don't know what Nigerian Christians have against this man, is it because he was a cultist turn pastor?

Is he the only young handsome pastor in Nigeria? So there are no other young handsome pastors, in the country,? How come sexual controversy does not follow them like flies?

how many young pastors in Nigeria are liberal enough to have young beautiful girls hanging around their church without the fear of being accused of harrassing or assaulting them?
You see, Nigerians will always talk when they see something different from the usual.

I never asked DSS or anyone to convict Fatoyinbo of rape. In fact, if you go through all my posts on NL, I have always maintained that it is unlikely evidence of his acts, would still be found after 20 years, but that does not mean he didn't do what she accused him of doing.

I'm not saying you said the DSS should convict him.
All I'm saying is, if this man is found guilty of rape based on evidences and not just accusations, then the DSS should convict him. And since he has not been convicted all these while, then there are no evidence and case close!
Let the man go back to his pulpit pending on when evidences will surface.

I have always insisted that the case should go to court, so that all the facts can be laid bare. In court, it is amazing what people would confess to, under cross examination.

infact, that should be a better step rather than coming out on social media making accusations when there are no evidence

Didn't Bill Cosby also deny raping all those women years back? What happened at the end of the day? He implicated himself in court and was found guilty.

this is exactly the point I'm making, every Nigerian, we all want to see this happening to fatoyinbo

Finally, Busola Dakolo knows that rape is a serious matter. That is why she has cried out publicly. She has far more to lose, than Fatoyinbo does. But by naming and shaming him, she can at least draw attention to his deceitful actions, even if she is unable to get him convicted for what he did to her.....

she will end up damaging her reputation before the public trying to be emotional rather than being realistic

laudate:
And how do you know she was not sexually assaulted by Pastor PB?

look, there is no sense starting accusations where there are no evidence

Why do you expect people to believe a man that has been accused by different women over the past few years?

so, because he was merely accused therefore the DSS should convict him of rape?
It is done!
I don't know when you Nigerians will stop to think like Nigerians and be reasonable for once. Rape is a very serious issue that should not be taken to childs play Bukola Dakolo is taking it now, she need to summon enough momentum of evidence if she really want this man to be convicted.

Is he the only pastor in Nigeria? Why does sexual controversy follow him around like flies? A few years back, it was Ese Walters. Yesterday, it was another church member. Today it is Busola Dakolo. Tomorrow it will be who again?

what do you expect when a young handsome pastor like fatoyinbo having church that is trooped in and out by different classes of young female models and beauty queens?
Ofcourse there will be competition for his attention among these young girls.
But whether the man is discipline enough to handle it or not only evidence of misconduct by him will tell, not just flimsy accusations.
Why is it that any man in the church is not coming out to say he caught the pastor red handed harassing a girl atleast, not to talk of rape?
Why is it that it is only girls that are coming out to say pastor raped me.
Another one pastor raped me?

Look, everyone know that this man had bad record as a cultist in the past and there is tendency that some females will take advantage of that to try blackmail him in order score cheap popularity now that he is a popular pastor, don't you think it's possible?