₦airaland Forum

FrostyButter:
1) it would be very ignorant to say the universities are built with poor peoples money. So members of living faith are poor and it's their 10 naira offering that built the church?

before nko?
Multiply 10 naira times the number of poor people in winners lets see how much it is

How would poor people give what they don't have? Is there sense in that? Or did you see where anyone was forced to give offering?

forced?
They all give willingly we all know that. But obviously they do it ignorantly because, these same poor people many of them did not go to school.
Now, can oyedepo extract a population from the uk or america to ask them to give money continually every sunday?
Its not possible, because most of the citizens in uk and america are learned people.

Infact, living faith is the first church I would visit that collect just one offering, you tithe and everything as one. And after offering time that's It.no one begs you to bring your money.

yes! Tithing.
Infact this is the biggest scam.

If church members were paying offering, that is understandable.

Now the church had the responsibility to educate church members about tithing but they are not, perhaps because they are benefiting from the faulty scheme.

2) there are so many very very very wealthy people in winners

you can say that again.
But are they intelligent people? These are the questions you should ask.
Because as far the international community is concern they are still the same nigerians

3) those that cannot afford the fees of CU, and are members are open to a lot of scholarship opportunities.

i know about this, winners chapel have been trying a lot on scholarships, they should keep it up, God bless oyedepo for this.

4) even those that are not member, as a student you are open to the David Oyedepo foundation scholarship. I know over 50 people personally that benefitted from it.

this is very good

5) would you rather have the rich people travel abroad to avoid the public school system or put the money back into the economy and industrialized areas like Ogun state that have benefitted greatly from having Covenant University close by.

the only industries i see in ogun state are church university and ota farms thats too bad
Ok, the bishop i believe have travelled elsewhere and saw the good idea of building a university, why cant he also import the good values of those foreign education and inculcate them to his students in africa so that there will be no need to travel abroad to get good values?
Must he rely on church teachings?

Because the church teachings have been infilterated by faulty african values and no matter the facility, he will keep breeding the same kind of nigerians with low mentality and corrupt thinking even though they may be financially successful.

7) finally, let me tell you what inspired CU initially. A student with drug problems from the US where he was schooling was brought to cananland for prayer and rehab. The bishop was very sad that about the lack of discipline in universities, the perversion as well as waste of huge amounts to send a child abroad when we can do it here. The bishop is already a teacher, and teaches in a Bible school as well as as an architect in his spare time. If it were you, wouldn't you go for that?

drug problems are everywhere, infact we still have graduates from the same CU who are still into drugs, and i think the fundermental issue still remain educating the church especially of scriptures(which includes parents) which our pastors are not doing, because the african society is lacking the family upbringing too, infact it is even worst in africa inspite our conservative tradition

It's sad the way we Nigerians antagonize people trying to make a difference. Also, most of the things you see the man enjoying are gifts. When you have wisdom and you solve problems, one way or another, the consequence is wealth. Shalom.

our society is very deceptive, they will only praise you and give you gifts when you preach what suit their tradition even when the tradition is faulty unknown to them, and if you are not careful you will think it is God that is blessing you

FrostyButter:
You spoke about the stadium and how sporting facilities affect a the intellectual development of the students and Nigeria.

i didnt say they affect the intellectual development of students negatively. Infact building facilities should be commended,but i am only saying these pastors have set up good universities yet the students are brain washed and not intelligent enough to see

How does it affect Nigeria?

currently, how do see the perception of the international community to nigeria inspite our universities?

Are you not sad that we have no good stadium to host sporting activities in Nigeria other than the one in Uyo.

one of the reason why i am speaking.
If our universities were doing as expected, intelligent leaders and politicians should come out from them and do the needful.

This opportunity from that structural edifice is endless.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2016/08/09/sports-and-university-academic-reputation/amp/

That's just a source to back information I have provided to you.

are these opportunities of national benefit or only rich nigerians who can afford sending their childen to covenant university will benefit from them?

You spoke about the webometic ranking and how sad you are about it. Yet you are sad about the significant achievement of the university to reach such heights. Are you not contradicting your self.

wrong!!
I am happy about it and i will be more happy if the school have been graduating intelligent nigerians over the years who can question the pranks of oyedepo

Now about the webometic ranking, CU had done exceedingly great when you look at how far they have come and how old they are.

check all the universities above covenant and other nigerian universities, there are no pastors in their country who distort money from ignorant poor citizens to build universities the poor could not afford.

In conclusion, you based your whole baseless argument on the stadium which in my view is a plus and shooting your self in the leg. But it would interest you to know that like Havard alumni and other great institutions around the world, CU has produced great achievers, the likes of :

is it not because these people went to havard that makes them to become achievers?
There are graduates of other nigerian universities who have gone to havard and achieve more, not only CU. so shield your sentiment.

Ayokunle Adeniran, a US-based Nigerian mechanical engineer, invented an iron that works without electricity

my friend, even africa have been using charcoal to iron starting from the pre-colonial period stop deceiving yourself that this is achievement

amazingspiderma:
If can't understand when you read please learn to ask people for explanations.

you should have started by telling me what i did not understand rather than saying i should ask question.
Ask question of what?

What the op clearly posted and celebrated which everyone have seen and commented?

Look, there is decedence in intellectual development of nigerian students and building infrastructures only cannot solve that problem.

Mumu africans, na stadium una they celebrate?

How does building stadium in a university translate to intellectual development of the university students and nigerians at large ?

Have you ever seen webometric ranking of covenant university and every other universities in nigeria?

You go cry instead of celebrating.

The only evídence to know whether oyedepo is doing great or not remains ,whether covenant students are intelligent learners or not.
Not only in sport and university facilities built.

So far every child going to covenant university and other nigerian universies have been subjected to religious brain wash by this bishop and other pastors over time, and these university students are not intelligent enough to detect.

Its a pity

jesusjnr:
I'm just weeks old on this platform, and i saw this as very useful means of spreading the word of the kingdom

you are welcome!

But study to show yourself approved first before you come out preaching thats what we are saying, otherwise you find yourself disgracing christianity and the jesus christ you are preaching, infact there are atheists here waiting for you this is not church everything a pastor spew out of his mouth bad or good the congregation will say ride on sir.

People not agreeing with your terms like your church will do does not mean they are demons

alBHAGDADI:
You are a big sick joke. You quoted a verse without even understanding that it speaks against your teaching.

The verse says no one cometh to the Father except through Jesus. Yet you believe that it also includes through not sinning as well. Is that written in the verse?

imagine the error.
He thinks no one can detect this

alBHAGDADI:
Don't mind him. That's how false teachers operate. They mix lies with unclear teachings.

it is only ignorant people who cannot perceive their devilish pranks they can deceive

jesusjnr:
There's a gospel being spread around the world, by people who claim to be followers of Jesus, that to believe in Jesus you do not need to obey his words, but this is what Jesus, who they claim to be their Lord, said: "And every one that
heareth these
sayings of mine, and
doeth them not, shall
be likened unto a
foolish man, which built his house upon
the sand: And the rain
descended, and the
floods came, and the
winds blew, and beat
upon that house; and
it fell: and great was the fall of it." Mt 7:26-27.(KJV). This is what Jesus himself said, therefore you must be wary of such people and such gospels which they preach, for their gospel is like the sand, and believing it is like building your house upon the sand, and only a foolish man would do that as Jesus himself said. Therefore be wise for it's Jesus alone who will determine who gets into eternal life and who doesn't and no one else, so that you don't build a house that ends up crashing into hell. They say, "A word is enough for the wise".

my friend go to school, stop preaching it does not fit you

Look at the way you are misquoting scriptures now.

Obeying which of the word?
Be specific you cannot .

What was the exact word christ told his disciples in matthew 7 you quoted?
You dont know

Yet you are quick to take the matthew 7 to quote for your hungry belle.

Very soon people like you will want to start church and continue deceiving people with this your fake doctrine and make money from their head.

Ihedinobi3:
I don't know of any biblical reason to believe that he did. I think that if he did at all (which is unlikely), it only served to show God's faithfulness and power to deliver those who trust in Him. But it is more likely that these things exist because God made them.

They are rarely problems in themselves. They may be obstacles to things we wish to achieve but when they are, we can lean on the Lord for help to handle them. Although, one need not be a believer to know about building bridges, it is not always wise to build bridges. This is something that believing in the Lord will teach the believer.

ok

Ihedinobi3:
I don't think sin or the devil is necessary at all for our brains to work. That is evident in the fact that before Adam sinned, he had a lot to keep him busy and entertained. He was the Ruler of the reclaimed paradise Earth, if you remember. And we are looking forward to eternity with the Trinity without any more sin or Satan. Life can't be dull for all eternity with nothing to do now that there are no more problems to solve. In fact, problems exist today just to show man and the angels God's Incredible Wisdom not to show anybody man's own great intelligence.

Another issue with the above is the idea that death came into existence because of man's sin. It did not. As I said earlier (although you are quite free to not believe it), God used the Universal Flood to kill all physical life in the universe before He created man. So death was already an extant phenomenon before Adam was created.

in otherwords, you are saying that the devil did not create problems like ditches,valleys and rivers needed to be solved by building bridges?

MuttleyLaff:
The teacher is correct, Satan will in due time get his commeupanuce



For the teacher to react by practically telling her off and ending the class, saying he/she is not in the mood of answering questions any longer is likely because he/she was caught out of depth

Dont judge God's decision(s) and/or choice(s), if you dont understand the reason(s) is an advice I would have given the 13 year old girl.
Would also chip in that one just has to trust God's judgement and God's manner of handling things.
God has everything in control.
There is a method in what is seen as madness.

At the end, so much would have been learned to make everyone and the world a better place to live in

Would have learned:
1/ How much to love,
2/ How carefully to live, and
3/ How important it is, to let go of things not meant for you

Now going back to the original question:
"Why Didnt God Kill Satan From The Onset?"

There is an ambiguity in the question and the ambiguity is with "Onset"

Which "Onset" is this?
"Onset" from where, when or what?

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You see Adam (i.e. as in, Man or human beings) is a product of, necessity is the mother of invention
Also note that, a need and/or problem(s) encourages creative effort(s) to meet the need and/or solve the problem(s)

There were two problem situations
and the necessity being the mother of invention, is the start of the solution, to solving the problem situations

It's strongly evident, that there were "situation problems"

The two problem situations were and/or are sin and vacuum created by renegades

This encouraged the Godhead to propose creative efforts to solve the "situation problems"

Man, is the start of the solution, not just only to solving the "situation problems" but is, also, to meet a need

Man (i.e. human beings) is NOT an accidental happening, rather is the product of a well-thought-out plan
hence the earlier reference or earlier use of, necessity is the mother of invention

God IS NOT experimenting with humans
Man or human beings are part of the solution package
Two for the price of one (i.e. man or human beings used to bring about sin eradication and fill vacuum created by renegades)

Necessity is the mother of invention
So we have human beings and if sin were to be found in Man too, then have sin eradication.

Difficult problem(s) & situation(s) (e.g. sin) inspires ingenious solution(s) (e.g. Man or human beings)

Man or human beings are NOT happenstance, hence the earlier and kept repeating, "necessity is the mother of invention".

I believe strongly that God is solving a problem
and the necessity being the mother of invention, is the start of the solution, to solving the problem situations
paxonel DoctorAlien Ihedinobi3

you are very on point.

I have imagined what would have become of the brain which was meant for solutions to problems if there were no natural and artificial problems doctored by the devil himself

Will all the investment of the brain and inventive capacity of humans become a big waste if there were no devil creating problems?

Necesssity is the mother of invention.

But then again i asked, Are all problems caused by the devil?

If there are rivers to cross somewhere that is a situation problem like you said, which requires building of bridges, is the problem caused by the devil?

If these kind of problems existed before the devil started alluring adam and eve to commit sin, was it sinful or not that these problems existed in the first place?

We all know that christ have solved the problem of sin which is death, created by the fall of Adam

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

but that did not stop situation problems like these which keep persisting till this day.

jesusjnr:
But did you seriously go through what you just wrote? You think it's just about just copying scriptures without first having a clear message but a confused one.

so far what you have written bellow did not bring a clear message of the scripture i quoted are you not confused by making this statement like that in the first place?
I had expected that since i did not not have a clear message then you should have come with a superior message better than mine but you didnt.
Therefore you failed worefully.

First you said believers have flesh and that Satan was a spirit and doesn't have flesh.

i was absolutely correct saying this, dont try to go againt it except you are very confused

And then what is spirit is spirit and what is flesh

And then displayed your ignorance of the truth

you have not landed with any truth yet, which truth are you talking about?

by quoting the words of Jesus to try and justify your initial comments:

may be if you had provided any truth, that alone may have rendered my initial comment unjustifiable(since you think you are better than Jesus), but you failed worefully

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

And then in your own words said, "and to crown it all",

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh(who is not an unbeliever of christ), but after the Spirit.(believing in christ).

tell me that disbelieving in christ is not the same thing as walking after the flesh and believing in christ is not the same thing as walking after the spirit. Use scriptures to back it lets see.
This is the only way you will be proven not to fail worefully

In other words you that started with believers having flesh and not being like Satan who is a spirit, is crowning it up with the message that the believers who you say are flesh are trying to be spirit

it seems you dont know the difference between simile and metaphor.
Did i tell you that christians were trying to be spirit?
At what point in my statement did i say so?

Christians walking after the spirit or being spiritually minded by simply believing in christ does not necessarily imply that they are spirit themselves or trying to be spirits

Spirits keep the word of God even the evil spirits like Satan, and he will not want you to know this. The only difference is that while to those in heaven it is the rule, To Satan and his companions it is the exception that is they only do it when they have to, that why they are in hell.

i dont know whether what you are saying here is true or not, but learn not to say things about spirits without any scriptural backing it makes you sound unsincere.

So to not join them there in hell you have to not just keep it, but keep it more than they do there in hell, and make it the rule in your life as it is in heaven.

That's why Jesus said: "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." For the will of God is the word of his Kingdom.

He that hath ear, let him hear.

hmmmm!

jesusjnr:
[s]Yeah right! believe in him without keeping his words.

Even the devils can do can do better than that! For they believed he was the son of God and obeyed his words when he commanded them to come out. [/s]

very wrong analogy, you dont know what you are saying.

Believers are humans who have flesh, the devil you are talking about is spirit and does not have flesh.

What is spirit is spirit and what is flesh is flesh.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

And to crown it all,

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh(who is not an unbeliever of christ), but after the Spirit.(believing in christ).

You are quick to say keeping his words.
Keeping his words is never the same thing as keeping the law.

Keeping the law though is very good, but as good as the law is, it is walking after the flesh without christ.
But the moment anyone believes in christ whether he can keep the law or not,automatically he has kept his words and he is walking after the spirit and he is justified like that .

The word of God is not trying on your own to be good, your righteosness is like fithy rag before him.

The word of God is just believe in christ and be saved thats all and nothing else.


bush preacher, you should be ashamed of yourself and go hide your face

jnrbayano:
Claim to have faith in Jesus from thy kingdom come and fail to obey the word of God, you will never be saved

one big devil called ignorance is right inside you making this statement, thank God you didnt succeed deceiving many christians but only few like your type .

Who are you to say someone is not saved without any scripture backing your statement, are you God who recommend the bible?

May be you are making references from some kind of babalawo or juju but certainly, not from the bible .

Whosoever believes in christ is saved, just believe thats all.
Period!!

There is nothing you can do to change that if you like jump let head touch the clouds it change nothing.

CAPSLOCKED:
SHE'S ONLY 13, AND ALREADY A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM ATHEISM.

exactly!
I pray she end up not becoming one by someone providing reasonable answers to her questions

Ihedinobi3:
Hello.

I have given an answer to a similar question somewhere else and will edit this response later to provide the link to that discussion.

The short answer is "because of man's free will".

God created the angels and men with free will so that each individual angel and man can choose whether they want to remain part of God's Eternal Family or rebel against Him.

That meant that each individual angel and man would be tested somehow so that each one will have an opportunity to choose what they want.

The angels made their own choices before Man was created. Satan was the first one among them to decide to rebel against God and he campaigned among the angels to persuade them to join him. A third of them did and God destroyed the universe of that time with water because of their rebellion.

Then Man was created and Satan was let loose to also test man and give him an opportunity to make his own choice.

Man had 7000 years to make his choice, generation after generation. We have almost finished 6000 of those years. At the end of human history, all human beings who were ever going to be born will have made their choices.

Now, because this is a test, each person will have to prove by various experiences - in suffering and in abundance - that they are serious about what they have chosen and have no intention to change their mind.

This is why suffering and pain exists. It is a test of the true heart of every man.

At the end of human history, those who have endured in their choice of God in Jesus Christ will spend eternity with God and His Whole Family of Angels and Men with blessings that our minds right now cannot even begin to conceive. At that time too, those who rejected God in Jesus Christ will spend eternity in anguish without equal because of their rebellion against God.

That is the biblical answer.

this is a better answer to the question.
Thanks

A 13 years old girl asked this question in church during bible study yesterday and the teacher could not give a satisfactory reason.
He told her that God is preserving satan for judgment day but the little girl reminded him that all the sorrows in this world would have been avoided only if satan who was the cause, and who is still causing more sorrows was killed from the beginning, then there will be no need for judgement.
The preacher could not say anything and when the girl wanted to ask another question, the teacher practically told her off and end the class, saying he is not in the mood of answering questions any longer .

Can anyone help us answer the question?

Nigerians are so dumb.
They will forget so soon that this same man made this same declaration in 2013 and nothing has ended boko haram

Atiku has been the man,
Buhari was a mess since 1984

So,what has this sai banga been doing all the while we was claiming to fight corruption?

I dont get it

TATIME:
90% of the world's population today are atheists in disguise! So don't think anyone can bully atheism, we're no more in ancient Israel where the Mosaic laws says "kill those who speak against pure worship!".
For your information, Satan is speedily recruiting soldiers against TRUE Christianity and atheism is the faculty that he is using for the recruitment.
Sooner from now you will realize that most of the people claiming Christians and Muslims are atheists in disguise, it's just the present condition that's still keeping them behind one another. They'll soon turn to full-time atheism after discovering that their so called Pastors and Imams are just taking advantage of their stupidity. Then it will remain the one and ONLY organization of TRUE Christians that are well known for their obedience to divine instructions,simplicity and often vilified by all other people!
By that time, all these people claiming Christians and Muslims will form alliance against these TRUE Christians to wipe them out because they are ashamed that all what this one and only group has been saying has come to pass. So they'll all team up to annihilate them, that's when Jesus will show His face out of rage and exterminate billions of people except His TRUE followers practicing all that His organization is teaching globally!
This is the comprehensive interpretation of the Bible book of Revelations. God bless you!

we all know that anyone who believes in christ irrespective of whether he is practicing religious activities or not is a christian and anyone saying that God do not exist talkless of christ is an atheist yes or no?

BurningBlade:
who made religion, God or man?

God

Atheist attack god because religious adherents often say god gave them religion, not man.

thats not enough reason to attack God.
God never gave them religion only for them to be foolish, he gave them religion as the only link between the spirit and the physical as God is a spirit who deserved worship by his physical creatures.
Therefore the essense of religion is to worship God and not be foolish people .

But they have ended up make themselves foolish people because they lack the understanding

BurningBlade:
to show the foolishness of religion.

many atheists attack God who was never the source of the foolishness and ignore men who actually made religion foolish by their foolish activities yes or no?

LordReed:
There are atheists who rather more vocal publicly in other countries but that's because their societies are a lot more liberal already.

thats very true!

Even in advanced nations atheists dont come out to defend their position because they know they are never100% sure.
But christians are 100% sure thats why they come out anytime, anyday to defend christ.

Righteousness89:
Listen and listen for your Good.. Except you are not Introduced in the doing your marriage GOD'S WAY.

Once you are Married, You are Married..

The only thing that separates u from your spouse Biblically is Death..

If for any Reason of infidelity of your spouse, you get separated or divorced, you are not permitted Biblically to Marry another woman...
Except your Orginal wife passes on....

As long as the woman you married is your 1st wife and u her first Husband.... she is your wife...

Any other thing is a Scam..

that is biblically according to todays traditional definition but out of reality.

Go back to scriptures and define what laws should be applicable to the jews and not the gentiles.
Do you think that every laws you read in the bible that was meant for the jews in those days should be then enforced to the gentiles of these days simply because they are christians?
That is the biggest scam ever existed in the history of mankind.

Christ even said it, the least person in his kingdom is greater than all the prophets of the old and their laws so what are we saying?
A reasonable educated christian will not listen to you with those primitive laws.

Biblical my foot

This pastor Emmanuel does not know anything about soul winning yet daddy adeboye is crying listening to a faulty message .

This young generation is in soup lacking intelligence.

Soul winning entails that a christian should convert a muslim into christianity and not christians disturbing fellow christians in church saying it is alter call.

Righteousness89:
Let me ask you... When two people are getting married, do u listen to the words they Proclaim?

did the bible says they should proclaim it like that?

Why should they proclaim what they are not sure they can keep, is that not self boundage?
Nevertheless, it is never too late for anyone finding himself or herself in such boundage to divorce and break free.

Marriage is a Life Time Institution, that's why u need to Ensure you get Involved with GOD'S will for you . Marriage is a Life Time Commitment!!

very true!
But when one party is not committed enough and the other part sees it fit to go, no one should bring the issue of for better for worst, it is very wrong.

Christ will never support any form of boundage

GoodMuyis:
you enter and sit down, no one will send you back, even on normal service day

interesting!

In that case, i will have to go back to deeper life. Better things are now happening

Righteousness89:
WHO FORCED U TO MARRY?

so because someone has made the mistake to marry wrongly then he should continue to suffer when there are better options?

You do well.

Righteousness89:
YOu are A Joker! Be Decieving yourself.....

do you here yourself talking?

When two people who made mistake to marry themselves but later realizes that they were not compartible to each other in the first place, are you saying that they should continue to live with each other and continue suffering simply because you think some scriptures says they should maintain their marriage?

It is you that is deceiving yourself and the bigger joker.

Go and live with a woman who you are not compartible with if you are a man and bear the suffering yourself and stop giving people the rubbish advice

asuustrike1:
Who was punished for criticizing Jesus?

the same question i have been asking myself