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Maximus85:
Born from water is baptism by water which comes after confession of sin and accepting Jesus as one's personal lord and savior.

very wrong!
Being born of water refers to the ministry of John the Baptist

Born again was never christianity so it shouldn't be a thing for today Christians.

Christian baptism was different from baptism of John the Baptist.

Baptism of John the baptist was the actual born again jesus refers to in John3:5

but christian baptism was any baptism done to prospect believers after the death and resurrection of christ. act 19:3-5

Take note of the timing, they are different

Born again was the days of john the Baptist, remember John the Baptist was killed before the crucifixion of jesus.

If you have your brain think and understand from there, don't go and pass wrong info

Which world won end abi na Una won end am?

Abeg life continues forever jò

eventtinz:
Please your thoughts or explanations are distorted ,I cant understand your take.

you should have a clear understanding of your post before posting it

when i said 2000 years ago ,i am talking of the holy books presented by religion as a way to give meaning to existence and explain the universe as an act of god.

precisely the christian religion isn't it?
Or is there any other religion which was established 2000 years ago other than christianity?

Get your accurate information about christianity first or you cannot say anything categorically about it.

I mean, there are other religions which have their own explanation and are also ways to give meaning to existence and explain the universe including atheism.
must you always attempt to derail the christian religion with your little understanding about it before you put your argument straight?

We all want Nigeria to progress but we cannot achieve that by derailing other people's religion unless we are able to explain that there is something wrong in their holy book.

But first, before we can do that we have to fully understand the content of their holy book

OK o

troublemakea:
your only in control of your physical body not your spirit and spirit don't go about looking for mirror

receive sense

the point is, it will not even come into the mind of the individual to look for a mirror.

Whether physical or spiritual all I'm saying is our body will be changed

This is encouraging!
Iupac120, were you able to see your new body through a mirror to know your new appearance?

Next time you have that kind of experience(which may never happen again) look at yourself through a mirror you will be so marvelled of what you will see .

You were something totally different from what you left on the bed and could not be recognized just like christ could not be easy recognized after his resurrection.

Resurrection is real 1 cor 15:35
Only that our body will be changed, we will be given a new body 1 cor 15:38

Now,this is a mystery not even the devil himself can deny.

Therefore,comfort one another with this 1 these 4:18

Amen!

MuttleyLaff:
Iyam not understand

I mean, 50 million Nigerian youths are religious enough to attend a church programme.
That is alarming religious minded population a country can get.

As future leaders I'm just hoping that they should get morals from attending programmes like this, but that has not been the case over the years.

Instead,study have show that the more churches we have the more we have corrupt political leaders

MuttleyLaff:
Paxonel & damosky12, please answer this questions
1/ Who are those, in that context of Matthew 23:9,
did Jesus say, no one should call father on earth, or no one should address them as father on earth?

going by the fact that the Jewish religious leaders(the scribes and Pharisees) were exploiting the people calling them master and father(matt 23:4),jesus reminded the people that they reserve the right not to call the scribes and Pharisees father or master anymore going by what they have been doing.
It is not a question whether it was wrong or right to call the scribes and Pharisees father or master, christ was only speaking out of the errors he observed among the scribes and the Pharisees which the people put to high estime in those days.

So, the same thing applies, today pastors are put to high estime among the people. They also reserve the right not to do so anymore when they begin to see something wrong in the character of these pastors.
Not that it is right or wrong to estime them and call them daddy GO or father in the first place.

2/ Did Paul use the word father as a metaphor
or did Paul use the word father, as a designated religious father or Daddy G.O. title?

it does not really matter what word is used.
The bottom-line is, they are placed in high estime.

3/ Are the Pope, father, Daddy G.O. etcetera of this world, using the word metaphorically or as designated religious titles?

both metaphorically and religious titles.
Metaphorically in the sense that these titles father or daddy GO are not necessarily showing that they are the biological daddy's of the church members calling them daddy GO or father , But perhaps these church member s are enjoying some spiritual advice from these GO's or fathers which they are not even getting from their biological parents.

4/ Is it necessary to be addressed or expect to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

it's not necessary!
If the individual feels he is benefiting from him calling them the title, afterall we are all entitled to say whatever we want, it's a free world.

5/ Is it right to take exception, for not being addressed as and/or not to be called "father" or "Daddy G.O"?

it is not right in anyway even if the daddy GO or father is paying the school fees of the children of the church member .

Why will you take exception, are you God?

Another 50 million corrupt youths in the making who will eventually take over the helm of government in the future.

It is well

eventtinz:
If we love Nigeria and humanity, we will come out boldly to correct the ills and retrogressive mindset of our people,knowing fully well that we cannot progress with the wisdom and knowledge used over 2000 years ago.we do not need to disrespect or attack theists we just need to raise our argument and morality.We should make our presence known and let the international community know that we are over 1% of the population and our size is not infinitesimal.Your take please.

wrong idea!
Why is the target since 2000 years ago?
Were you there before 2000 years ago to see that there was good mindset and wisdom that bring progress among the people living in the region called Nigeria today?

How about other developed countries like the UK, Canada, USA, Germany, etc that have gradually acquired wisdom and progress since 2000 years ago, why didn't they stop progressing like Africa because there was 2000 years ago?

damosky12:
Calling someone Daddy G.O is not because they are of perfect morals... Just the same way biological parents can disappoint you, spiritual parents can as well...

The question however is: IS YOUR DADDY G.O YOUR SPIRITUAL FATHER? Did he, like Paul to the Corinth church, established you in the gospel?

If that is the man who made you to understand the gospel of Christ, if he is, no matter what happens, he remains your Spiritual father... He or she deserve their honour.


You don't necessarily have to follow them.or attend their church. However, if they are the one who brought you to the knowledge of Christ, they are your father.

very true!
You can regard them as father simply because they brought you into the faith, but you reserve your right not to allow them infect you with their I'll philosophy anymore by stop going to their churches. At that point, they can't be your GO anymore.

Or better, if you are capable of selecting from what they preach the right principles from the wrong ones, you can be going just to select and learn something new that may improve your scriptural understanding .
Just for you and not for them.

There is nothing wrong in calling your pastor Daddy GO, but when you eventually discover that your pastor have been exploiting you rather than educating you of scriptures, will you still call him Daddy GO?

I have been looking for a suitable name to call my pig.

Athiesm is best I have seen so far

All deliverance ministers are lairs.

There is no scripture in the bible which tells us that there was any christian who was delivered from demons or witches.

Rather, the scripture affirms that everyone you see in church have the holy spirit already

How you came to this conclusion surprises me oo. Why didn't God remove the tree when he found out? Why did he feel that telling Adam and Eve not to eat of it was the wise thing to do? And why did he make eve curious to do it?

you see,
Questioning God for what has happened in the past will not help you.

What will help you is to focus on the benefit those past events has brought to our modern day people which is eternal life.
If you choose to accept it, good for you.
If you choose to reject it, you just die and go away when death comes it's as simple as that

But i can assure you one thing.
You can't fight God and win, whether he was bad or good in the past

False. What about satan and his angels? They were obviously faulty because them rebelling was not part of god's plan. Besides fear would have prevented Satan from rebelling because he must have realized god is mightier than all heaven.

he never realize that God is also mightier on earth too until recently.
By the time even the humans God created on earth started defeating him that is when he started knowing how powerful God is.

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

You see, humans on earth are empowered to do and undo and that's God's glory over Satan.

False. God intervened in jabez life to improve his situation. Or how about when God intervened for the israelites when they were being enslaved by the egyptians. As history shows us, slave revolts were very common and liberating a people was not outside human ability.

What about the book of judges where he picked leaders to save israel? That wasn't beyond human ability. I can give you more examples.

c'mon, that was in the days of ignorance, old testament days.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

In this modern day every power has been given to us.
All we need to do is keep learning.

God cannot empower us and continue to interfer with our affairs except the problem is beyond our ability which i don't think there is any problem like that.

From day one he created man, his word was man should replenish and subdue this earth and that's what these white people have learnt to do in their world.
Only that Africans are lagging behind.

So relax, you can't win God whether he was bad or good.
What will be will surely be

hopefulLandlord:
The point I was making is the untestability and unfalsifiability prayer seems when you say it may happen and it may not. it doesn't look any different from making something just run its course. it isn't any different if there's no entity interfering in our affairs. that's why I said praying to god is not different from praying to a milk jug.

you are very right!

And true praying implies that the individual should just go about and do what is needed to be done.

But many at times it is ignorant of what to do that limits people's answers to their prayer

RuthlessLeader:
Inbreeding raises the chence of being born with a genetic defect, it doesn't ensure you are born with one.

true

Adam and Eve and their children inbred according to bible, besides all of humanity is descended from inbreeding.

that is correct too.

Why couldn't God just give them the intellect they needed? Why didn't he directly teach them, or at least send an angel?

even if he choosed to do all that humans will still have complains.
You can't satisfly humans. So let them teach themselves by experience, God was not in a hurry, he is ready to wait till forever, until humans get it right themselves.
Till today we are still in the learning process, white men have gone far ahead, Africans should learn from them this is not racism but common sense.

It is still the same thing. Why would God create that tree in the first place? Why did he make us curious? Why would an omniscient and omnipotent father allow the enemy anywhere near his creation?

he didn't create the tree or is there any scripture that said so?
He didn't create it, a rebellious Angel did.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

Matthew 13:25 made us to understand that But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Matthew 13:28 also said, He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.....

If you understand this parable to the end you will see that it is not God who is the owner of the field(this earth) that created the tree.
Everything was good when he created them from the beginning. (Genesis 1:10)

Yeah. God still created it by putting that tree there and not explicitly showing adam and eve the consequences. He wad also the serpent's accomplice because he knw satan's intention.

that is not true!
As a matter of fact he warned them of the consequence.(genesis 2:17)

Why didn't god just forgive the ancestors?

whether he forgive or not the damage has already been done and forgiveness or unforgiveness is of no use. Infact, he had contempled to destroy everything he created as suggested by his angels but he turned the idea down which was the reason christ came (Matthew 13:28-29)

why did he have to come and die?

in that circumstance a wise God will lay down his life to reclaim what he would have lost if the need arises.

It doesn't apply at all. My grandfather's wealth is his and he can decide who he wants to give. Me or charity.

he cannot possibly decide to give his wealth to charity when you are badly in need of them except you are not a worthy grandchild.

Even when a man is rewarded with a title of chief or hero, his children are not called chiefs or heroes as well.

but they are entitled to the reward of the children of chiefs and heros?

Inherited Punishment and reward is a stupid idea.

that's how you are seeing it.
If what is inherited is not punishment then it's a good idea. I wish in reality that's the case but it's not.
I had a friend who never graduated from school due to financial issues, not because his father wasn't wealthy. But because all his father's wealth was shared among the siblings from several other women apart from his mummy, who came to claim that his late Daddy impregnated them . The little he could get from the inheritance wasn't enough to see him through school.
Now, is that God's fault or his father's fault?

Some cancers are inheritable like breast cancer, leukamia etc. Heart diseases are also inheritable. Trauma is not a terminal illness.

if you say so, you are correct.

Because the god of the bible is an interventionist god and christians see him as such.

he only intervenes on issues which are beyond human ability to solve. Example is when humans needed eternal life he intervenes by sending Jesus.
Outside that, any other problems that has to do with illment, poverty, taking care of this whole earth, etc. They are all for humans to solve.

Pataricatering:
a good number of people have sensible requests which are still not answered !

example?

NdiaraIGBO:
Why won't you be jobless when you can't spell correctly.

I hear sir, thank you for the correction

NdiaraIGBO:
Show us your ID anti Buhari proponent......

Like say no be one room your wawa family dey lIve for Lagos since they arrived from Onitcha.

I for even prefer that one room sef.
Incase you see one for your area abeg let me know, I don tire for this buhari.

No wahalla for agreement and commission , I nor mind the distance

hopefulLandlord:
interesting, so how do you differentiate praying to God and praying to a milk jug? or not even praying at all?
I mean, if you think about it there are only three possibilities the milk jug sometimes answers your prayer the way you want to, sometimes not and sometimes the answer is delayed and its its prerogative to answer or not

sorry I didn't see this.

milk jugs are not living things but God is alive.

But if anyone believes that a mere milk jug can answer his prayer like the idolatrers whether milk jugs have right at all talkless or prerogative i don't know about that

NdiaraIGBO:
Tell us the job you had before Buhari administration.......

oh! Here comes buhari proponent

Come to politics section and ask me this question I will post my ID and let you know i have been working long before this buhari regime.

Who buhari help?

Martinez19:
You are a confused, biased and insincere human being.

guy you funny o
Can't you say your opinion without attacking?

RuthlessLeader:
Yes. It is the wise thing to do. These children disn't ask to be born into those situations. And terminal illnesses are genetic in nature, just as being black or white is genetics as well.

not all terminal diseases are genetic in nature, infact most of them are acquired.
Even the genetic problems mostly arises from inbreeds of closely related individuals such as brothers and sisters or cousins mating and producing these inbreeds. Remember, in the history of mankind even in the bible these were always the case which have produced a significant population of people or children currently suffering from genetic terminal diseases till this day. The problem is not from God it's from the ignorance of human ancestors, and the only solution remains education and outbreeding of the affected population, not prayers.
Imagine brothers and sisters mating, that is rubbish this modern day now.

How do you know this? The bible even says that God creates good and evil Isaiah 45:7. So he is the origin.

Isaiah must have made the statement to ascertain the magnificence of God, not necessarily that God created evil from the beginning.
Infact this was the origin of evil according to Genesis 3:6

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

So this was the origin or genesis of evil.
Disobedience!

Why must we suffer for the sins of a grandfather that we don't know anything about? This is just like me deciding to punish buhari's great grandchildren because he was a bad president.

no, it's not like that! It's a system created by the evil of our ancestors from the beginning whether we like it or not we all must follow until there is a deliberate effort by the progeny to put a stop to the evil which is outbreeding the closely related population and that will take the education our forefathers didn't get, not prayer.
The same thing applies, when your grand father lay down resources or assets for you to inherit and enjoy, at that point you will not ask the question why must you enjoy what you didn't suffer to acquire, will you?

Already wrong. Terminal illnesses are genetic

not all!
Cancer, heart diseases and trauma are acquired.

and and starvation can be caused by famine, war and poverty which the children have no control over.

but the warring parties and the government had control of them and would have done something to prevent them?
Why then are you bringing God into them?

Why does God like punishing the descendants because of their forefather's crime?

relax!
We have the option of thinking out solutions to problems and not putting blame on God which will never bring solutions.

Through the holy spirit abi?

I don't think white men who are solving their problems needed The holy spirit to do so.
Many of them don't even believe in God, they are atheists yet they are contributing immensely.
Look at their health system, education and power supply, can you compare the rubbish we are doing here in Africa to what is obtainable in their country?
I know the rubbish is better than nothing

Terminal illness is a death sentence for whoever has it. If you have a terminal illness, you are dying and there is no cure. That is why a lot of parents resort to praying and mercy killing.

they are not really dead sentence like you put it, some cases are not that acute and they can be managed

With what money? From where?

then why will a parent think of bringing a child to this world when he doesn't have money

We Africans, we have the culture of marrying plenty wives and give birth to plenty children, yet no money to cater for them.
Is that not foolishness?

hopefulLandlord:
I think prayers are wishes but wishes aren't necessarily prayers just like flat screen is a television but televisions aren't necessarily flatscreens

you seem to be saying we should look for physical solutions and stop praying. I agree with that if that's your point but doesn't that make prayer useless? shouldn't prayer used when certain things that are supposed to work aren't working? like there should be some things put in place to feed the starving children in wartorn countries but there's war which is a failure of something and this child needs food or she'll die, did her praying and not getting the food mean she asked foolishly?

that is under a circumstance that is impossible of human solution?
I get your point!

Yes! It is never foolishness to pray at this point, who knows, God may answer.

But it is still under God's prerogative right to answer or not.
That simply means if he chooses not to answer he has his reasons therefore no one can blame him.

hopefulLandlord:
are you for or against the efficacy of prayers? your post appears to be the latter

I know it's a very confusing topic that's why i came into it.

I'm for the efficacy of prayer, but the prayer must be originated from right thinking or wishes. Otherwise, no matter how long the person prays it is inefficient.

And a right thinker or wisher who doesn't pray at all get his answers from God immediately.

Therefore wishes are not different from prayer

jFrankNorfleet:
But we all have wishful thoughts, do you mean you're actually praying every time you have them?

that is exactly the point.
And God will answer anyone who thinks rightly and do so, than the person who prays

hopefulLandlord:
Foolish according to who? the starving kids in wartorn countries that pray for food are asking for foolish things? the mother who's child is dying of terminal illness but she's praying for cure is asking a foolish request?

is it then wise to ignore the causes of the kids starving and the terminal illness and request for their solutions where these problems were never originated?
Now, you judge for yourself.

God is never the origin of these problems, infact he created everything to be good until man(Adam) misbehaves according to the scriptures.

Similarly, terminal diseases and starvation are human negligence to do what they were supposed to do, and you know what?
God has already empowered humans to administer to these problems without his interference.

If a child is suffering from terminal disease the parent should sick medical remedy and not mere wishes called prayer.
If a child is hungry then food should be provided for him or her

hopefulLandlord:
prayer is a wish directed to imaginary friends

if the friend chooses not to answer some of our foolish requests does not necessarily implies that he is imaginary

hakeem4:
Let me start with my definition of prayer. Which is a means of communicating with an omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent god up there in the sky.
While Wish is a feeling or a strong desire or hope for something that cannot or probably will not happen.

What is the difference between prayer and wish

these are the kind of questions many christians and religious people have failed to ask.

There is absolutely no difference between prayer and wish .

Going by your definition of a wish, we also pray with a strong desire or hope for something that probably will not happen too.

For instance, many of us respond a strong AMEN! in church to prayers and prophesies of pastors saying that this year, we will buy car, we will build houses, we will hit a mega contract .
Meanwhile, many of us are jobless people in the society created by buhari government.

Is that kind of prayer not mere wishes?

Didcot:
Kid yourself with your pack of bullshit!

are you sure you are ok like this? You had the option of passing without spilling your rubbish .
Others who saw it and did not comment were not stupid.

This is good news to all Christians.

It means that, you don't need to be religious anymore or pledge absolute loyalty to any church or pastor any more cos you were made Priest like them.
You are totally free now!

Mark 11:10 Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh....

So the kingdom of God has already come
It is right now here with us.

This fact is what makes christianity the best.

Atheism and very other religion are child's play.

1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

So we were all saved because we were born into a christian home (except Christians who were saved by being converted to christian from other religions).

That simply means if you were born into family of other religion you will die! Gbam!! (I mean, not physical death)
Except you come to christianity .
Cos, Jesus is the way.