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bloodofthelamb:
Ok, tell me how? maybe, I might learn from you

to give your life to Jesus Christ simply requires that the individual should change his religion if he was not in the christian religion before(Muslims or adherents of any other religion other than christianity) and join christianity.

Now, the question I'm asking is, how many of you evangelists do preach to Muslims?
None of you.
But the moment you see Christians(people who have already given their lives to christ) you will start shouting, give your life to christ.

I'm not sure that you people are doing what christ is asking you to do

bloodofthelamb:
Greetings to you all.
I have figured out that lot of people don't really know what this means, even though they will claim to know. Through the leading of the Spirit of CHRIST, i will bring to light some eternal truth.

Our lives begins with our conciousness, thoughts and words. Man's thought rules his words, actions and life in general. You have not given your life to Christ the spring of live, if you have not made Him your conciousness and thoughts.

Believing in JESUS CHRIST is you enthroning him LORD of your thoughts always and in all things. Take the precious JESUS into your sub-consciousness, conscious and super-consciousness, then you leave there. It is what it truly means to believe and be saved.

JESUS wants to transform you and glorify you into HIS eternal resting place, but He cannot do that without your co-operation.
*I beseech you sons of men be reconciled unto thy God for HE has made a way through the blood of his Son.

mods move to front page for the sake of the willing souls.

op, you yourself don't know what it means, you are quality as ignorant as them

kuss:
Plain truth
Being born into a Christian family doesn't make you a Christian

you are supporting rubbish abi

chosen124:
Christianity is not a religion
Nobody was born a Christian

this belief is from Satan which has dominated churches over the years. Look at your dictionary and tell me who a christian is, or Google it and read it from Wikipedia

[s] You were born into a Christian home doesn't make you a Christian
The same way a man born in Saudi Arabian become a Christian is the same way a man born in Nigeria become a Christian
Anybody that is a Christian can tell you the year, the month and the day they become Christians some can even tell you the hour
If you can't tell when you become a Christian then you are not a Christian but a committed church goer
How do i know if am a Christian [/s]

error! error! error!

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
There is a knowing inside you
Paul calls it assurance of salvation

the spirit itself beareth witness that we are children of God how does this scripture make those who were born from christian homes less Christians ?
I don't get it?
When did being a christian become a birthright to people who at a time claim that they were never Christians from birth ?
Contrary to your primitive view there are scriptures to prove that we were saved at childbearing(being born from a christian family)
My advice to you is, run away from that Lazarus man and all Nigerian pastors, this is where they all failed to understand scriptures

SternProphet:
Saraki was never accused of armed robbery. He is being suspected of being an accessory because his name was mentioned. What is your IQ and what do you know about law that you think the NPF with the largest legal department in Nigeria would not have thought through before inviting a whole Senate President.

Your simple mindedness ignored the reality of the situation. Sending statement instead of reporting at the station is just face saving to respect the Senate. The case still continues.

so, did saraki report at the station?
You see how rubbish the invitation was?

Some foolish idiots mentioned his name you are asking him to report to the station without thinking.

This IGP man and buhari himself, very confused people

Buhari and the IGP are very confused people!
The question Nigerians are yet to answer is, what will saraki benefits from armed robbery and killing of innocent Nigerians?
When did dead and agonized Nigerians become political benefits?

ABIOLAXYZ:
He's not

then he should be one of the thieves disguising and working for the PA

fawaz22:
nigeria is a zoo although not everyone is an animal.someone just mention political thug like it a normal and legal thing.abeg thugs na peace keeper?...what if in d course of being their thug they have kill person nko..who even knw if that has already happend..politician are criminal let them be xpose nd brought to justice..oga dont prove dem innocent..we refuse to be prey for this canivorous animals in human flesh.

you are very right!
But the thing most politians are giving kudos for, is to employ militants in the name of giving them amnesty. This to some large extent have reduced militancy in the region

ABIOLAXYZ:
They ave meet before

that may be the personal assistant to gov. Ahmed who was arrested among them.

Obviously, many of the militants who were given amnesty and some of them who were made political thugs and personal assistants of politians were actually armed robbers, but because they were dejected along the line by their principals they decided to revert back to their original position of armed robbery.
Such may be the case of the offa armed robbers in kwara state.
And the point still remain that Gov. Ahmed and Bukola Saraki may not have met any of these political thugs one on one but these thugs from day one had it at the back of their minds that they were indirectly working for them .
Now that they have been arrested certainly there are chances that they will mention those politicans they were previously and indirectly working for at the time they have not decided to go into armed robbery

So, the question is, though these people may be political thugs to Gov. Ahmed and Senator Saraki now that they have choosed to become armed robbers how is that they still remain their political thugs especially when they have never met these people one on one?

manosteel:
It is known fact that pastor W.F. Kumuyi had started preaching the gospel even before Pastor Adeboye became born again, even in age, Adeboye is the younger. But in Nigeria, many denominations and General Overseers see Pastor Enoch Adeboye as their spiritual father, these include people like Bishop David Oyedepo of Winners, Bishop Mike Okonkwo of TREM, Pastor Tunde Bakare, Pastor Matthew Ashimlowo of KICC, Pastor Oritsajafor to mention few. This is the role that was played by the Late Bishop Idahosa. So my question is why Adeboye, and why not Kumuyi? If Adeboye leave the scene today, do we have anyone who can step into this shoe?

because kumuyi started by abolishing television watching, introducing long skirts and no make up and hair making for the ladies, not dancing in church and many other rules which actually made church services very boring.
Adeboye saw these flaws of kumuyi and decided to go the way of idahosa a little bit that's why he is having more spiritual sons and daughters

But don't worry, kumuyi is having more spiritual sons and daughters than celestial and aladura because he has decided that his members should not walk bare footed on the road.
Part of the church evolution thing

What is there in that montrance that Catholics are using to encourage female marginalization self?
Are the females themselves not far more blessed than any object sacrament?

joe4christ:
The bolded is an evidence of the fact that whoever wrote that book was of the belief that the rapture would happen during his generation and explained why he said those who killed Jesus will equally behold him descending from the cloud. But here we are, more than 2000yrs after, when those who pierced him have long been dead and gone. Do you now see the flaws in this passage of the Scripture. It just doesn't add up

good observation!
I wish that Christians should develop fore sight when they read certain verses in their bible

OK, let me finish with this my break buhari fast, I'm coming

vaxx:
i am proud to tell you that I am good at mental gymnastic skills. But should we discard the truth when it is not hiding. That is dishonesty.

certainly, the truth remains the pillar. I must compliment you on your mental ingenuity very few people living in Africa are capable of this.

That being said, you are fending for Christianity just because you have been inculcate to do so.

likewise, you are defending IFA because you have been inculcated to do so.

It is like a Democrat supporter, he or she will never see reason to support Republican and same apply to Republican. Even if bitten thrice unless the fellow undergo Reformation

but i have been supporting some of your traditional views here?
You came up with some basic principles of your traditional fundamental believes and i said they were good. But you never in anytime complimented my christian believes rather you saw everything as being brainwashed

have you ever genuinely question your believe system?

this is the scrutiny i do everyday especially when I'm reading my bible and i must confess it has been difficult. Difficult in the sense that a lot of what we believe and do as Christians do not really correlate with the bible, we do them because they are the general beliefs and tenets of christianity not because they are necessarily right.
To this effect, i have deliberately ignore some of those believe systems and focus on the ones that are applicable to reality.
Now, every religions including IFA have some faulty believe systems or tenets too it's now left for the individual to do the scrutiny for him or herself.

As an apologetic that you are

including you too because you were caught vehemently defending your IFA beliefs too

you are only at the defensive side and not why it ought to be so

I'm at the defensive side because it ought to be so, why because very humans have their minds and rights to accept or reject anything depending whether they are good or bad which is ought to be so.
Even if anything was forcefully imposed to anyone a time will come when the individual will grow up and understand enough to decide if he will still continue with what he was imposed on or not which is ought to be so
And since the vast majority of African Christians still continue with christianity after they were brainwashed( according to you) or christianity was imposed on them, then certainly, there is something they have seen in that christianity that their original African traditional religions could not offer, so they continue with their christian beliefs which is ought to be so
And if you have anything that you have seen in IFA that is upgraded enough beyond the benefits of christianity to africans that you can show to African Christians which will make them revert their decision and go back to IFA believes, very good.
It's a free world let everyone decide for themselves which is ought to be so

if I pressure you a bit hard on your belief now. You will end up with the usual fallacious statement.

no, not this time!
If you have been doing that some ignorant African Christians and they ended up making fallacious statements you have met a different christian entirely. Even though i graduated from a school here in Nigeria i will let you know that you can't take all Africans for granted, that some of us know exactly what we are doing practicing christianity

"I can not understand since I do not have the holy spirit"

when did the holy spirit has become the criteria for anyone to understand i don't get it

Stop treating IFA with the same sense of biblical teaching, IFA offer no promise to anyone

whaaaat
Aaaahhh
So, you are saying that there is no promising future for IFA adherents after they die?
Do you see why there was a mass conversion in the first place?

What IFA teaches is the ability to apply wisdom (orunmila) on your self. IFA is a self enlightenment, it want you to be like orunmila, the father of wisdom.....simple

christianity and other religions teaches this one too

In Denmark, an Igbo guy presented a liteature work of how their super electronic train transportation can be managed and it was implemented and successful.... Do you heard about him at home?

we do not hear about thousands of non Africans achieving similar inventions at home either so the probability of hearing about one African among them who has achieved is very low. We need more African achievers for us hear more about them and the best way to go about it is to establish high rated universities and colleges in Africa like we have elsewhere in the world and only Africans will do that.

My guess is no....because your imperialist boss do not see why you should know and that is the same reason they do not want their brethren to learn from you....enough said on that flaws.....

my brother, if we continue to blame imperialists for our misfortune we head nowhere

Your. Last statement just shows your ignorance... IFA tradition is not the same with abrahimic religion that is looking for adherents..that is why we do not do crusade..... It is a self enlightenment...... And if you want to know how ifa is making wave in diaspora.... Do a Google search.... I will not waste time talking on this .....brasil, Columbia, Mexico , USA all have adherents....

ofcourse it will always make wave in diaspora only that Africans do not appreciate what they have which is why I'm putting you to a high estime. Truly as an African i am proud that our cultural heritage is making wave elsewhere and i would have love to be part of trend. But like i said, anything religion is subjective to the individual.

You need to educate yourself so much, I saw this flaws in you...

whatever!
I will say this is my first interaction with an African traditionalist as educated as you are . It's a privilege.

vaxx:
Ability to make superior point does not equate truth, it is just a positive strength on mental performance. And likewise number of mass adherents does not make one religion superior over one another. Religion is not democracy.....

and you are using this to console yourself?

At least we all know how politician use this same mental gymnastics during.their campaign to win more votes to their sides.... It does not mean the party who won on massive vote will honour all his promises or outperform his competitor if given the chance. So your line of argument is a bit inept..

and you think the voters no matter how dull they are cannot be once beaten, twice shy?
How many times have you heard that Christians in Africa or world wide have shy away from their christian faith like how they did to African traditional beliefs inspite the gymnastics?
Let's assume that IFA truly honored all the promises it promises Africans, why then was there mass conversion?
5 to 6 centuries later there are still mass conversion and the people have never showed any sign of once beaten, twice shy till this moment?
Aahhh

The creation myth of Yoruba tradition is not widely accepted simply because it is not put in the books that was written by the imperialist.

largely because Africans were never good writers of their heritage and you don't expect the Europeans to do the writting for them.

How many Nigerians book do you see making impact in the west. I live in europe and I can tell you I have not study any academic book from africa as a reference guide in the university.....

is there any institution in Africa that is rated high as close to the university you attended in Europe? (Check the latest webometric ranking ).
Then why are you expecting Nigerian books to make impact in Europe as much as European books are making impacts here in Africa?

Prophecy is an abrahumic statement, IFA is a complete template or call it a database that contain Yoruba philosophical thought , culture and moral guiding principle of life.... Many people of different faith and historical background made different prophecy (if prophecy can be synonymous to future event) and all came to pass. Even science has made his own prophesy.... Does that make any different to you..


Mind you IFA is much more older than Judaism and Christianity. If the creation story seems parrelel . does it occur to you one may likely plagiarised the former....... This is just an hypothesis from me o

true! It is much more older, like obasanjo is older than barrack Obama!

But can you be talking about this IFA thing in Europe and people will be listening to you?
How will you start it?

MuttleyLaff:
After all, the west has this colloiquial, that says:
"ti ogun eni ba daniloju, a ma nfi gba ori"
which loosely means:
"When you have confidence in your charm, you can wear or smack it on forehead safely and without having any problem"

that is the point bro

The similitudes are glaringly there to see

exactly!

We know the bible as a reference point or place
Except it's clarified, I suppose we can safely assume "sacred forest and ifa foundation" web page is vaxx's reference

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vaxx:
oh I see it is now about dick measuring and not about truth seeking. When I say you are an apologetic, I am very right


You wanted to compare the both mythology and seek for which make more sense to you lol.

there is nothing wrong defending your religious beliefs. You defend yours i defend mine.
The religious belief with the most superior and reasonable argument will attract more adherents than the other.
This has been the case resulting to the mass conversion of Africans to foreign religions over the years against your believe that they were brainwashed.

I have already created a thread on it earlier, so I will not be repeating myself..... Go thru this link and get me your feedback on this thread

...https://www.nairaland.com/4014537/yoruba-story-creation-fact-fiction


Muttleylaff , I hope I cover your interest.

there is no difference between the idea of creation in the link with what christianity holds, only that the characters and objects involved like obalata, olodumare, oduduwa, calabash, Clay, ash, etc are all indigenous which is another reason why the idea not widely acceptable because how will you explain that all these things happened over millions of years without the rest of the world knowing about it until the 15th century?

Another thing is a question i will ask, are there realities like prophecies of IFA teachings which have already been fulfilled this modern day that portray our current day experiences?

There are prophecies like that in the bible which have already been fulfilled and we are experiencing them today which is another reason Africans are abandoning their traditional religions

annyplenty:
I really wish I could reply all comments but I will rather choose few to address. I will the the part painted red in your comment with the scriptures below.


Luke 10:38-42
Luke 38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.

39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus’ feet, and heard his word.

40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

In the scripture above, the Lord, Jesus Christ, paid Martha and her sister, Mary, a visit. Each of them had a choice between going to kitchen to prepare food for Jesus or sitting down at His feet to hear the Word of God. Martha chose to go to kitchen to cook for Jesus, thinking that Jesus will be delighted in her option, while Mary sat down at His feet to listen to the Word of God.

Eventually, Mary was overwhelmed by the kitchen work and came to complain that Jesus had allowed her to sit down and hear the Word of God rather than allowing her to come and help her to cook the food that Jesus would eat. She was however surprised that little or no premium was placed on Martha's cooking while all importance was placed on mary's hearing the Word of God.

If the Master, Himself, could place all emphasis on the one who sat at His feet to listen to the Word of God as against the one who was cooking the food for Him to eat, how much more somebody who now choose the time for bible study or sunday service to watch football match?

Think about this.

are you suggesting that Mary and Martha should keep sitting at Jesus feet listening to the word of God from Jesus forever?
If that was the case what time would Jesus had to go to cross and be crucified?
Will he spend all his life preaching to Mary and Martha without going to the cross for crucifixion and actualise what he has been preaching to them?

Try to understand what I'm saying, there is time for everything.
There was time when Jesus was preaching, there had to be time when he will stop preaching and surrender himself for crucifixion.
At the time of preaching it was expected that Mary and Martha should understand.
At the time of crucifixion it was expected that they should use what they have understood to develop their faith.
The same thing applies here, we don't go to church to keep practicing religion or keep wasting our time listening to semons .
We go to church to learn from the sermons. After learning we use what we learn to live our lives outside the church most importantly.

So, someone who has already learnt and thinks he will reserve his church periods to watch football matches, i think he is good.
Nothing is wrong with him

MuttleyLaff:
paxonel, unless you want put off, please dont attach sniggers.

Not just believe
but know how man was created by God Almighty

Also know how God Almighty came to earth

like, to know the technicality behind creation and God's arrival?
You know it will not do us any good to that extent

vaxx:
do not become a troll on your own thread. You prefer us to be jumping from one discussion to another without settle the initial discussion.


Do you comprehend my initial point.

you claim that there are no indication that shows flawless evidence that biblical passage or verses are more Superior to IFA traditional teaching, and that it is just an affirmation that is accepted on brainwashing.

Now I'm giving you reasons why most Africans over the years abandoned their IFA traditional worships and go after foreign religions inspite that they were brainwashed, that the mass conversions of Africans were as a result of the flaws of IFA traditional beliefs .

Then, to buttress my point I ask you, give a brief account of how humans came into existence from the IFA teachings let us do the comparison and see which is more sensible or are you scared of saying something about your basic fundamentals?

vaxx:
what is civilization?A civilization is generally defined as an advanced state of human society containing highly developed forms of government, culture, industry, and common social norms.from (An online dictionary). Civilization is not measure by formal education which university take a part.

Civilization is an advance form of society norm. This is very much visible in what is called Nigeria before the arrival of the Europeans. We have a standardized and well organized form of governance.

Formal education in which you talk about was a late cormer. People have been learning and acquiring skills in different profession before the white came.for example, there are Goldsmiths, clothing production, wood carving etc... Formal education was just a compliment. Just like how the first form of formal hospital start in Egypt before it was later adopt by the west. as said earlier, I can argue that we are more civilized than them in some vital sector before they arrived. But I will hold on that argument for now.

There is no indication that shows flawless evidence that biblical passage or verses are more Superior to IFA traditional teaching, it is just an affirmation that is accepted on brainwashing. Have you study the traditional faith without any form of bias. I will obliged you to learn before you come into conclusion.


And furthermore, being a Christian doesn’t mean you are on a journey to discover the truth about the world and that your search for truth has led you to accept Christian doctrine as the best, most coherent and most logical explanation. Instead, it usually means that you have chosen to accept the Christian dogma unreservedly for one reason or another (it may be due to your family and cultural upbringing, you may have had some sort of “spiritual” experience, etc.) and you are now compelled to defend that dogma against any evidence that contradicts it. You are just an apologetic and a fundamentalist friend.

ok,
Give a brief account of how mankind came into existence and why, from the IFA teachings let's see?

But for Christians we believe that man was created by God almighty

vaxx:
You should not have go thru this section, it exposes the essence. Of Christianity..... No,they were brainwashed and manipulate..the Portuguese were the first Europeans to arrive the shores of Nigeria via the Atlantic. According to history. The Portuguese brought Christianity with them but were unable to successfully plant Christianity because of their involvement in slave trade. The actual intent behind their voyage was more in the interest of slave business, than it was for missionary goals and objectives.

ok

Most of the Portuguese slave traders took Nigerian slaves to be resold in the Americas and parts of Europe. Hence, they were not committed to missionary work. So it s this enlave Nigeria that were brought back to us after slavery was abolished in the west that aid the envagelism.You see the likes of ajayi crowther that was educated in Sierra lone and the rest

ok

The land called Nigeria now was never backward as the west may made you think. I can even argue we are more civilized than our colonial master in many ways but that will be another day.discussion.

civilized by what education or schools?
Do you realize that the Europeans were already having standard universities long before the 15th century at the time of their first interaction with Nigerians?

This former slave missionaries were sent all over Africa to preach Christianity while giving feedback to their white boss . To this very day many African minds still view Jesus as a white blue eyed , blonde haired handsome looking. If you go many houses in Africa you will see this picture on the walls of their houses. You see the brainwashing now as it is still common in Nigeria.

I agree with you on this, but it still do not dispute the fact that the bible have superior concept about life in general than what traditional religions of Africa and the world have presented. Even till today, pastors do misinterprete bible to brainwash church members but that do not disqualify the scriptures

Our fore parents were told that they were born in sin and they had to repent. Land was stolen in that way. Masses were convinced that that real happiness is in heaven and life on earth was a toil. This make them owing acres of land.


If you want to know how Christianity enter Europe thru the Romans. Go and leari the historical war Saxon wars? It will open your mind.

I'm aware of all these, but they still do not disqualify the bible

vaxx:
There is no much difference between the colonists and Christian marketer's (missionary) the whole idea of propagating Christianity is to make it universal religion And the most relevant
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Missionaries (marketer) came with the attitude that all things European were superior to all things African. Most missionaries believed that once Africans were colonized by European countries they would be more likely to seek after Western Education and Christianity which the missionaries controlled. It was their mission to do anything necessary to convert Africans who were viewed as uncivilized and barbaric.

And in doing so, they indirectly help to further the cause of their colonial friend which is explotation. You can only exploit a brainwashed mind. Not by gun but by engaging his mind.

and you also agree that the first christian mission in Nigeria predates colonialism or imperialism (15th century). At that point in time will you say that the people were brainwashed to accept christianity?

However you are looking at it, christianity never originated from countries like Italy, Germany, England and other European countries practicing the religion before the era of imperialism. These countries were never primitive before they started accepting christianity.
That means, they were never brainwashed to accept the religion. They saw something better than their pagan religion in christianity that's why there was a mass conversion which i think it was not spontaneous but a gradual process that took many years.
Well, i will say that because Africans were primitive during the pre-colonial period does not necessarily mean that they were brainwashed to accept Christianity even though at a time conversion was done by conquest, but people later agreed by comparison that, christianity was far more better

MuttleyLaff:
I think your mobile phone predictive text feature mistakenly let you type "explore" instead of "exploit" there

you are absolutely correct, it's keyboard suggestion error.
Thanks

vaxx:
the same way white paganism was attack.and replaced with Christianity.

hmm!
Is that why you think imperialism is a christianity thing?

How about colonial masters, do you realize their agenda in Africa was not to propagate christianity but to exploit Africans?

vaxx:
The Yoruba spiritual system is not a “revealed” religion made up by a clergy of prophets as seen in Constantine’s Christianity or Muhammad’s Islam less than 1,700 years ago.

The Yoruba spiritual system, like all indigenous African systems, was developed over hundreds of thousands of years from the village culture. This was mastered at a time when no Homosapien lived outside of Africa. When the the Black African was not only the first but only practitioner of civilization. Therefore IFA is not to be found in book but in society.

The nature of ifa system is about how to achieve harmony in the village. As the village developed into a town and then a city and then a kingdom, the system became more complex in order to deal with larger issues.

However, IFA: was never imperialistic like Islam or Christianity which was designed for control over vast territories. This is why the Yoruba system, which is profound in its original form,can be easily adjustedde for it to address the communal needs of its intercontinental community. A great challenge, for we have seen all other religions fail. Expecially those with fundamentist mimd.in IFA, the same principle that was the pillar of the village is also the pillar of the global society. This principle odudu iwa “Balanced Character.” that got modify ,adjusted as the need for the needs for the society development increase.


I am not a fundamentalist , as my faith did not allow that.....

so, where was these ifa and odudu when white people came to Africa to conquer it ??

vaxx:
they are labelled holy, since human are anthropocentric in nature. We always want to put reference/relevance on a particular object over another. Just like the way we honour and value gold more than every other stones. Let me enlightened on how the world hold holy was inscribed into the bible

In a tradition settings of the bible, it is an expanded form of the name held over from its original Greek title, τὰ βιβλία τὰ ἅγια, which literally means "the holy scrolls." In the original Greek, τό βιβλίον (τὰ βιβλία is the plural form) is a generic, therefore not a proper noun, so the adjective τὰγια was necessary to specify which scrolls were being talked about: the holy scrolls, not just any old scrolls. In Latin, this expression was partially translated and partially borrowed as biblia sacra (Latin at the time did not use definite articles). Greek words were borrowed into Latin all the time, so even in Latin it might have needed clarification.it is about identify which manuscript should be scriptural. Have you ever hear the Muslim referring to Quran as holy Quran or the Hindu referring the Vedas as holy. Or the jews referring tanakh as holy?

that's the point!
Being anthropocentric is a characteristic of the human nature. Whether we call the books holy or not the fact still remains that they serves as guidelines to the human conscience over the years till this moment cos everyone have their flaws.

To your question, I am not an atheist, and i am surprised you labelled me as one.

because you sounded as one who never had a reference book to fall back on, when you need some principles guiding your morals like most atheists do.

I am a traditionalist who tolerate every idea that add value to humanity. And it cut across every religion

good religion, keep it up!

while using IFA teaching as my watchwords.

then IFA is your holy book

In essence i fall back to myself within. I am the keeper of my own conscience
My Biggest victory is not to be found outside , it is to win myself.

adherents of other religions do this too. Christians, Muslims, atheists, Buddhists or whatever

A self realised person is like bright illuminating light. Hope that answer your question.

yes! It answers my question

So tell me why you are a fundamentalist?

in the real sense everyone is a fundamentalist. Atleast you just gave me a few shot of your traditional fundamental beliefs which is very good

vaxx:
you earlier labelled them holy not me.and I complement it. Your assumptions had once been practiced and it was not successful. Read how France separate church from state. The reasons behind it.

oh!
I will rather have them seperated too in Nigeria.
And do you know why those books are still referred to as holy in France and elsewhere till this moment?
It is simply because seperating the church from the state did not stop people from reading the bible.

Now, let me ask you, what reference book do you fall back to as an atheist?
Whatever it is, that is your holy book

vaxx:
You just make a bogus claim ......these book you called holy are written by human and human by nature are bound to err. And if you claim this book are so holy that every principle , moral guide and rituals in them are perfect, therefore no need for further modification or correction. You just become primitive and it will be right for me to call you fundamentalist who refuse to evolved....


This indeed is a very dangerous concept to the development of African society.....

whether they are truly holy or not that's not the issue.
The issue I am saying is that, if any of these books serves as references to moral codes for Nigerians using them, then they should abide by the moral codes and ignore external traditional influences that will make them do otherwise

vaxx:
good , you are still repeating African tradition believe that has been ingrained to main Christianity which should be discarded. I quite agree with you. Since it does not add value to African society.


But my question is What are the core tradition teaching of Christianity that is not really good for african society and needs immediate abrogation? If African want to move forward.

non!
Except those African beliefs i mentioned.

Christianity or Islam if allowed the way their holy books presented their ideas will never constitute any problem to any nation rather they admonish adherenents to obey God's laws which will improve the way they live

vaxx:
for your article to become a valid conclusion.. Present to us the negative effect of Christianity teachings in African society . i agree not all its teaching are bad . so you can compliment it. With the already said about African tradition. It is not intelligent enough to be bias. What is it that is not good in biblical teaching. I await your unbiased response.

i mentioned superstitious beliefs in churches .
Just because there is existence of the supernatural,it does not imply that witches and wizards are the ones responsible for the predicaments of Nigerian christians.
When you go to churches, the order of the day is always prayer against device of the demons which is not bad anyway.
But by the time the idea presented by the prayer leader or the pastor is that someones misfortune in life comes from one old woman or mother in the village(always woman) or some fellow human who they think is a witch, guess what the effect will be?
The fellow will end up hating the woman or mother or the person.

The fellow will never know exactly where his problem is coming from, in order for him to find a lasting solution himself.

The fellow will become perpetually confused and loose his self esteem and confidence depending on pastors and prayers

The fellow will never grow to become truly intelligent