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Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:54pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
Obviously you can't be dumb enough to not know that you are merely quoting a work of fiction ! Or perharps you are that dumb.
You believe a guy of our era was able to go back in time for around 1000 years and discover all this fairytale with no actual proof to back up the stories ? yoruba ! you guys will always lie.

i thought I was arguing with human being in the first place.

Get out!!!!!

grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:50pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
Now you want to put a mere story at the same level with an actual historical document ?
Man you are dumb. So dumb, you shouldn't be allowed to drive.

Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

you are one big idiot o!
grin

Keep deceiving yourself that you came from somewhere.

My friend this is benin republic not Nigeria.

When did benin city started speaking French?

Idiot, ewu.

grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:43pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
Stop talking around, just prove your claim.
Why are you constantly trying to boast about the credibility of your claims instead of actually proving them. You even go to the extent of saying this "Go to ring road and ask, that is exactly what the binis will tell you". I actually have familly members there and they will not say that at all.
You are just a joke. All you said is complete rubbish and is very similar to saying that enough people have been convinced of your lie therefor it no longer requires proof. How very yoruba of you. ife man stop trying to hide your ethnicity, nobody is bordered.

monkey!

Let me quickly quote out what your family members are running from. grin

SUCCESSION CRISIS AND THE FOUNDING OF THE PRESENT
EWEKA DYNASTY IN BENIN

it is now necessary to narrate the events that led to the
request for a king from Ile-Ife and the founding of the present
dynasty in Benin. The seeming complacence of Oliha and Edion Uzama
during Owodo's misrule seem to have worked against them after the
banishment of Owodo. None of them was called upon to rule over the
people. Rather the people of Ile chose one of their community
leaders Evian. He was appointed as an administrator about 1091.
Evian's rule was peaceful, but he had his own ambition to perpetuate
his family in office. In short, he wanted to establish his own
dynasty. When he became old, his administration started to weaken
and problems started to develop. The people then started agitating
for a new rule. During this period, too, the Oliha during Owodo's
misrule died and he was succeeded by his young son. Evian took
advantage of his situation to nominate his eldest son Ogiemwen and
proceeded to enthrone him. The people of Ile led by the young Oliha
did not accept this arrangement. Moreover, they were aware that
Ekaladerhan the rightful heir was still alive and ruling in Ile-Ife.
The Oliha and the other four members of the Edion Uzama decided to
go to Ekaladerhan Imadoduwa the Ooni of Ife to beg him to return to
Ile to assume his throne in 1153. The Ooni received them, but he was
not happy with them. After the preliminary quarrels, the Ooni told
them that he was not prepared to return to Ile for two reasons namely
that his new kingdom Ile-Ife was too big to be abandoned and that he
had become too old to embark on such a journey. In addition he was
still bitter and had not forgotten about the way the former Oliha had
neglected and abandoned him. But due to the persistent pleading of
the delegation, the Ooni agreed to help them on the condition , they
underwent some tests. They agreed. He gave them some lice to take
home and return with them back to Ile-Ife after three years. Three
years later about 1150, the Oliha and his team returned to Ile-Ife
with the lice. The Ooni was happy with them for having been able to
take care of insects as small as lice. He then concluded that since
they have been able to take care of lice, they would be able to take
care of his son. The Ooni called his eldest son Prince Aigbovo
(alias Omonoyan who had been appointed as successor to the Ooni) to
follow them to Ile to establish an administration. Prince Aigbovo
Omonoyan obeyed his father's instructions and left Ile-Ife with some
allies among whom was the Oloton who was made the sixth member of the
Edion Uzama about 1100 A.D. he stayed in a palace built for him at
Usama and became friendly with Erinmwinde the beautiful daughter of
the Enogie of Egor. She soon became pregnant. But he did not seem
to be receiving full cooperation from the people of Ile after two
years of staying in Usama. It was because of this that he started
calling the town Ile-Ibinu. He abdicated about 1163 A.D. and left
some of his allies to look after his son. He instructed the people
to enthrone his son as the next Oba, before he left for Ile-Ife.
From there Omonoyan proceeded to Oyo where he had another son Oranyan
who later became the Alafin of Oyo. Omonoyan returned to Ile-Ife
about 1167 and succeeded his father as the second Ooni of Ile-Ife.
The instructions he left behind that his child from Erinmwinde should
be enthroned as the king of Oba of Benin was adhered to. This child
was male and was crowned Oba Eweka I. He founded the present
dynasty. What happened was not really the founding of a new dynasty
as such. It was rather the reestablishment of the dynastic line
started by the Theban Prince Ogiso Igodo.

Do you see now that the benin dynasty originated from ife?

Bush bini boy

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:36pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
I believe I said "PRECOLONIAL MAPS", a lying idiot like you won't know nor understand what that means.

bush pig!

read the last paragraph of this and tell me where your foolish pre-colonial maps falls

http://www.dawodu.net/origin.htm

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Freemasonry Is Better Than Any Religion by paxonel(m): 8:27pm On Aug 12, 2018

DeSepiero:
Religion is religion!!! Religion is what it is; a system of belief in and the worship of god(s). Stop watering it down to mean just belief in anything.
I believe you're not silly. Where's the religion there.

i did not dispute this definition now or what's your problem?
Are you dumb?

If what i said about religion mean just belief in anything to you, you had better read it from the beginning.
Because i remember saying religion is far beyond a system of belief.
Meaning, it is a system of belief which includes believing in anything.

Even till today, there are people who still carve objects like sticks in their backyards believing that the sticks can protect them.
What do call that ,is that not religion?

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 7:15pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
I think you lack the ability to think properly. first establish your claim as truth through the form of a proof before calling it such and telling me to accept it with a speech that can only be described as emotional nonesense.
Your ethnicity is irrelevant, it is all about your reasoning and your illogical assumptions which you want to pass as facts.
Unluckily for you, I am a thinker.

you can't be asking of prove over what is already known everywhere, may be you are the one not listening to your environment.

The official documentation of the national museum and monument have it already that binis originated from ife.

Go to ring road and ask, that is exactly what the binis will tell you.

But again, there are conflicting ideas from some quarters that the binis did not originate from ife, but there are no domentations of that position that is accepted nationally.

You are here talking grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 6:55pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
you yorubas are so desperate to have a history that you will forever keep trying to claim and still that of other people.
What a pity. I believe your history lays in brazil.

bush man!
Did i tell you I'm Yoruba?

Oh! It's all about tribal superiority that's why you people are denying the truth?

You people don't want to be seen as inferior to the yorubas?

Una mumu o grin

By the way, who tells you that accepting the truth will make you an inferior tribe?

Black man
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 6:44pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
"geographical distribution of cultures" verbiage only makes it harder to understand your dumb ideas.
"artefacts found among the binis which are common and peculiar to the ancient ifa and orunmila", now you are just fishing for something, anything I guess.
Whatever you claim, you should prove. Just stop throwing words here and there like a toddler throwing his food instead of eating it, prove your claims. Simple.
If you claim the Oba of Benin migrated from ife, then prove it !

Also keep in mind that the person you are talking to is not necessarilly the usual nigerian idiot.

And you think that throwing words like colonial maps are enough prove to assert errors?
you have proven to be one idiot already and there are no proofs for your ape type.
Whether you like it or not binis were lost tribes of the great ife, jump to the clouds everyone knows it and nothing can change that grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 3:46pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
No, please stop with your stupid "schools of thoughts". The places you are talking about are not kingdoms, they are dukedoms which are subterritory to an actual kingdom. My references are the precolonial maps which are available for all to see. i don't speculate like the fools do, I talk facts, and only facts.

so,whats the content of the precolonial maps you are talking?
How does the map dispute the facts that the binis are not far away from ile ife by geographical distribution of cultures?
How are the maps also anul certain artefacts found among the binis which are common and peculiar to the ancient ifa and orunmila?

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 2:37pm On Aug 12, 2018

JackBizzle:
Olu of Warri was of no importance to Delta history until military rule in Nigeria.

who is this one talking?

I'm very sure are chatting far away from jupiter grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 2:33pm On Aug 12, 2018

prolog2:
The Oba of Benin never migrated from "ile ife", I am tired of some fools endlessly repeating this lie.
It is not everything which is about migration. Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom which had Edo-state and delta-state as subterritory. Benin Kingdom had many cities and villages. Those cities and villages were administered by Edo nobles who took orders from the King (Omo n'Oba n'Edo). You guys are really dumb. Please go back to school.

the school of thought that says the oba of benin migrated from ile ife is one school of thought which has already been established from references that will never be accepted by the bini people i understand that.

Another school of thought from references known by the bini people which are not known by others says the benin kingdom never originated elsewhere, that is also another established one.

Therefore you do not have any right to call any idea of thought dumb, because even your own references are not known. Nobody is monopoly of knowledge.

In either case there was undisputed migration which lead to other kingdoms at uromi, ekpoma, sabo gida ora, Auchi, etc, including the warri kingdom and it environs.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Freemasonry Is Better Than Any Religion by paxonel(m): 11:34am On Aug 12, 2018

lawjjj:
if I argue with your opinion we will remained in an unending chit chat, i think if you take a deeper look at this your statement 'In christianity, the spice we add for people to see is speaking in tongues and fervent prayer and being religious. But the actual religion is the believe in Jesus Christ for our salvation' we may come to an understanding, that is where I spot the delusion

call it delusion, the truth still remains that Christians have their points for believing in that

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 11:26am On Aug 12, 2018

JackBizzle:
Get your facts right. The Oba of Benin had servants- he did not sell slaves for money.

I did not say the oba sold slaves. I'm saying that long before the slave trade era, some chiefs around the oba parted the Benin kingdom to form their own settlements outside the region and became obas in those regions, just like oba of benin once migrated from ile ife.
That all these migrations were as a result of the perceived injustice meted to them by the oba which may include some kind of slavery.

Warri Kingdom? Nigga, Warri was shite until the colonial people came. There was no Warri Kingdom. You clearly are not from Delta

really,
How did the olu of warri became oba in warri?

Do you realize that the olu warri in his palace have been doing business transactions(not slave trade)with colonial masters long before christianity was sold to the people by christian missionaries who later came?

Olu of warri migrated from the benin kingdom perhaps out of injustice and unfair treatment. The itsekiris have a lot of similarities with the bibis, especially the red beads they have as their traditional jewlries

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:40am On Aug 12, 2018

JackBizzle:
Were most tribes selling their brothers as slaves before white Christians came?

Ogbeni, focus on Christianity that is the problem.

slavery have been in existence in Africa long before they interact with white men!

I will cite instances where various kingdoms parted from ile ife and other prominent kingships to form their own settlements. These was as a results of injustice.

Today we have the benin kingdom, the oba of Lagos, the warri kingdom which parted from the binis, the aniocha, these are just few.

My brother, Slavery and injustice have been there. The hearts of men were corrupt it's not about whether it was christianity or not.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Freemasonry Is Better Than Any Religion by paxonel(m): 8:28am On Aug 12, 2018

lawjjj:
draw a distinct line between religion and spirituality, I don't believe in the former

Religion has been defined as the believe in a god or group of gods, but i have come to discover that religion is far beyond that definition.
Religion is simply believing in anything.

Now everyone have the tendency to believe in anything therefore no one is free from religion.

What you believe is right inside your mind and that alone makes a religion to you, but you may not be conscious that it is religion but in the real sense it is actually one.

The bottom-line is, if you believe that it is only the air that is sustaining your life the air therefore becomes your religion.
If you believe in love and nothing else, love therefore becomes your religion.

Spirituality is just that spice you add to your belief whether it is love or air or stone or water or whatever.

In christianity, the spice we add for people to see is speaking in tongues and fervent prayer and being religious. But the actual religion is the believe in Jesus Christ for our salvation

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:04am On Aug 12, 2018

JackBizzle:
You did not make any single point in your entire comment.

Oga, the point here is that Christianity is a problem in Africa. That was what the op is saying.

You came to claim that the problem is African tradition. Which is a whole lot of nonsense.

Christianity is a problem. Don't defend the religion by blaming African tradition that we barely practice.

as if African traditions never had problems before christianity was brought to Africa?

My friend go sit down jo, you know nothing grin

You think all Africans are that sentimental?

I love tradition too, but only the good ones and not the bad ones.

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 8:02am On Aug 12, 2018

JackBizzle:
You did not make any single point in your entire comment.

Oga, the point here is that Christianity is a problem in Africa. That was what the op is saying.

You came to claim that the problem is African tradition. Which is a whole lot of nonsense.

Christianity is a problem. Don't defend the religion by blaming African tradition that we barely practice.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Freemasonry Is Better Than Any Religion by paxonel(m): 7:58am On Aug 12, 2018

lawjjj:
love and brotherhood

then love and brotherhood is your religion yes or no?

That's what you believe in.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture : Who Will Be Caught Up With Christ At His Coming? - Olamide Obire by paxonel(m): 7:54am On Aug 12, 2018

frosbel2:
The rapture is a concocted fable for the simple minded.

dont mind these deluded people.

They read figure of speeches in the bible and misinterpreted them thinking that they are talking about people being caught up in the air called rapture.

Thank God we were thought figure of speeches in secondary school literature, these people will never learn grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Freemasonry Is Better Than Any Religion by paxonel(m): 7:48am On Aug 12, 2018

Op, the fundamental belief of christianity is Jesus Christ the savior of mankind from sin and death.

What is the fundamental belief of freemasonry?

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 7:36am On Aug 12, 2018

JackBizzle:
Your inferiority knows no bounds.

you haven't landed your point yet you started by saying someone is inferior. It shows that your belief is actually what is inferior here and i will further prove it.

So you are now blaming the problems of christianity on African tradition? Is christianity not still problematic in Western Countries? The same christianity that has been abandoned by European countries because of its problems?

did i say that christianity was never problematic in Europe and elsewhere?

In a current study of the UK, 53% of people there say that they do not have any religion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html

so, how does this anul the fact that Europeans who brought christianity to Africa years back, have taken time to invest in education and advance industrialization and technology in their countries over the years inspite that many of them believe in the bible and Africans who also believe in the same bible could not do the same in their countries over the years?
Obviously, it was never the bible that was drawing Africa backward, it was their traditional value system that is doing that.
And these traditional value system are seen practiced in African churches today what else do you want to say?

Christianity was responsible for religious wars in Europe in the past. It was also responsible for
-the burning of innocent women accused of being witches
-the abuse of unnecessary power given to religious clergy (child abuse by priests)
-blasphemy laws
-anti-scientific dogmas eg hatred for evolution
-homophobia

etc

we already know these before

we all know that all these happened in the past. They have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Africans are lagging far behind Europeans and that's the truth,it does not mean that the Europeans did not encounter problems arising from christianity too.

I'm not being inferior by saying this truth.

Can you see now that it is your school of thought that is inferior?

Atheism did not teach you how to understand what others are saying, yet you are jumping to argue with them blindly saying that someone is inferior without landing your point first.
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Feminism? by paxonel(m): 6:05pm On Aug 11, 2018

There is nothing blessed in this present world

I can see that you have totally lost hope.

Let me leave you here, obviously i can't help you.
grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Harmful Effect Of Christianity To Our Beloved Society by paxonel(m): 11:30pm On Aug 10, 2018

Yes,
Christianity and other religions are harmful but only christianity in the midst of the harm brings eternal life to as many who believes in christ.

I wish Africans could understand christianity the way White men have understand it, then there will be no harm at all.

But if we continue to mix christianity with the rotten values of African tradition(as practiced by all churches including catholic, winners chapel, RCCG, deeperlife, mfm, etc) we go continue to see anyhow in Africa and God will not deliver us.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Feminism? by paxonel(m): 11:21pm On Aug 10, 2018

solite3:
it is not about what you think but what God's word says.
Satan is the ruler of this world.

that is not the word of God.
That is what you choose to see in the bible.

I have explained to you that bible writers saw it in their days that it was Satan ruling their world going by the high level of atrocities(men enslaving men which is not common these days) committed by men in those days. They even killed Jesus christ.

Wake up, you can't continue to live in the days of the bible saying it is the word of God.
Today's world is blessed with so much knowledge and technological advancement such that life is a very simple and enjoyable one for those who take advantage of the current trend and this is how God want us to live our lives as Christians.

Which devil?

Na only Africans devil dey rule over this days, not in the real world.
Simply because Africans has choosen to be ignorant people and they are the one even carrying church and bible for head pass white men who brought christianity to Africa.
Yet to even understand the bible how it applies to real life they cannot.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Atheism? by paxonel(m): 2:05am On Aug 10, 2018

Seun:
Have you noticed that religious apologists always pretend that they don't understand what atheism means? No matter how many times you tell them that atheism is simply the absence of belief in God, they will continue to define it as the position of being 100% certain that no God exists.

so atheists were never truly 100% sure of their position as christians are 100% of their own?

That's quite interesting

Christianity Etc › Re: ‘your Vision Must Be High’ — Adeboye Stresses Need For Spiritual Excellence by paxonel(m): 1:54am On Aug 10, 2018

So having a high vision to achieve excellence or success is now equated to spiritual growth?

Are you implying that dangote had spiritual growth before he became highly visioned and successful ?

Nigeria which way? grin

This mens of God sef

Christianity Etc › Re: Churches Have Defrauded People By ‘forcing’ Them To Pay Tithe — Rev. Dr Dan by paxonel(m): 6:39am On Aug 08, 2018

True talk my bro,

To compel people to pay a monthly regular 10% is fraudulent.

Why not encourage them to give cheerfully as they want to give?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Ordination Of Remi Tinubu As Pastor - Is RCCG Compromised? by paxonel(m): 6:30am On Aug 08, 2018

Amitez:
You missed the message in the post. Go and read it again! I am not aware that a Pastor is a spouse to unbelieving husband. I am still learning though, but The RCCG that I know, where I worked as a marriage counsellor would not wed a Christian and muslim couple. So, why ordain a wife of a muslim as a Pastor?

you be moi moi counsellor o!
So if her husband na Muslim how that one take concern God and the woman christian life?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience On Tithe Issue: Don't Be Deceived by paxonel(m): 11:49am On Aug 07, 2018

malvisguy212:
are you an atheist ? there is nothing wrong in paying tithe, and not paying tithe is not a sin either.

there is nothing wrong in giving to the church,
But paying a compulsory 10% on regular basis in the name of tithing is fraudulent to the new covenant.

It was a old covenant thing

Sports › Frank Ribery by paxonel(op): 7:33am On Aug 06, 2018

This guy called Frank ribery should be having grand children what is he doing?

Zinedine Zidane was his team mate,they won 1998 world cup together

Ahhh!
1998?

Bayern which way huh

Manchester fans, what should we do to this man?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Experience On Tithe Issue: Don't Be Deceived by paxonel(m): 7:01am On Aug 06, 2018

Tithe is thief thief in churches by pastors don't be deceived .

Op, your story na monkey story without scriptural basis who you dey warn?

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Does The Bible Say About Feminism? by paxonel(m): 4:30pm On Aug 05, 2018

solite3:
do you know that what you read in previous reply are the words of God. God 's word is for all generation.
This generation is very foolish, thinking they are wiser than their creator.
Do you know that the pharisees of Jesus days saw themselves as better than their forefathers who killed the prophets but ended killing the Son of God Jesus christ.
friend God's word does not change men are as sinful as before.
Satan is the ruler of this world don't be deceived by his tricks

if you are seeing Satan as a ruler me i don't see him that way.
I see him as a failure,
Therefore i take charge and responsibility of my affairs whether I'm succeeding or failing.

If i fail it's my fault not satan
If I succeed it's my effort not satan

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