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Now, tell me that saint valentine is a saint in your own church, I am listening, how?

Mynd44 lalasticlala

The catholic church was seen as the universal church at the time saint Valentine lived. There was no Protestants at that time talkless of pentecostals, therefore saint valentine was saint of the universal church, which includes all churches, be it catholic, Protestants or pentecostals

petra1:
Wrong . Somethings may have natural causes or based on human error . But a lot of time evil spirit are reeolponsible too.

It's assumption to say evil spirits are responsible for people's woes sometimes, there are no scriptural proves towards that.

Especially sicknesse and deseases . If a Christian can fall sick, be rest assured he can have a demon

This your analogy do not follow at all.
Sickness and diseases are physical phenomena which require physical remedy, except God want to intervene. But demon infliction only require spiritual remedy because they are spiritual phenomena.

.It’s not even advisable to cast devils out of non Christians . Because it will come back

Why did the demons not come back when Jesus and early disciples cast out demons from non believers of Christ?

Are you aware that many dicknesss deceases are demonic ? Do Christians fall sick?

This is assumptions originated from fear of the unknown generally associated with African beliefs. White men are free from these kinda I'll assumptions that's why they are doing great exploit than Africans.

Anyone who heals the sick will know that demons manifest in many cases when ministering to a sick christian

Christians do fall sick, but that does not mean that they can be inflicted by demons. Deliverance ministers are not sincere enough to seperate the two. what have manifested each time they carry out deliverance to christians are not demon or anything spirit. Even demons inflicting non christians like the demon we read in the bible casted out by Jesus Christ, are not common this days again.

. Some demon will even talk “I AM SPIRIT OF DEATH “

The sound that they thought are demons talking are all psychotic physical experiences which dies down gradually and the individual becomes normal again. If you have ever encounter some psychiatric patients you will know what I'm talking about. They are all the same thing known as schizophrenia. It's a physical occurence associated to sick people just like hallucination

As I said earlier . Not every case is demonic .

That's true! But no christian possibly have demonic case. 1 John 4:3 implies that whoever believe have the spirit of God, not demon spirit,
cos Christ has made them a new creature.

rather, demon possession may be possible to non christians

But if a Christian experience a prolong circle of problem there’s a demon .

There is no scriptural basis for this assumption

The meeting, to include a special intercession, will have over 30 Christian denominations in attendance. In a notice circulated on Friday, the gathering will hold at the Old Arena, Redemption Camp, KM 46, Lagos-Ibadan Expressway, Ogun State

Adeboye will lead other top clerics including Bishop David Oyedepo of the Living Faith Ministries, Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo of the Kingsway International Christian Centre, KICC, in discussion and devotion.

The notice disclosed that the agenda is to pray about killings, cultism, corruption, ritualism, bloodshed, kidnapping and unemployment in the country. It added that the intercession will last three hours – 10 am to 1 pm.

Responding to those who have accused him of being silent on the situation, Daddy GO as fondly called said: “I am a Christian and I belong to the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) which has a President. Whatever the President says is what I say. “I am also a Pentecostal and I belong to the Pentecostal Association of Nigeria (PFN); whatever the President says is what I say. That is how to be under authority.

jamescross:
paul stated the importance of having interpretation.

if everyone could interprete he won't say either the speaker be able to interpret or an interpreter be around.

if he himself didn't understand the tongues would he encourage it to be used anyhow during meetings.
it's a wisdom prophets use to help human limitation, by judging and interpreting together.

Exactly

petra1:
From CHRISTIANS sir. It’s not even advisable tbcadt devils out of non Christians . CHRISTIANA do fall sick . Many sicknesses are demonic affliction

Ok, what you refer to as demonic is anything bad including sickness?
Every failure in life is demonic too abi?

PastorAIO:
I didn't say anything about Christians TRYING to be Christlike. I'm referencing the claim that Christian means Christlike and they were so called because Christians were like Christ

Ok

Are Christians really that different in character from the rest of humanity?

I don't think so

Luxuryconsult:
i know.. Even if messi sign for any team in england today and his team is not well, you all will say he is been carried by iniesta.

Bros, excuse o, abeg nor vex o

All those useless formation and combination mourinho been using all these while is not enough to ruin someones career.

Ok o

Did this same pogba not play good football at the start when he just came. I know you'd say he was carried by herrera also.[code][/code] But when you want a player to play good football,

Any how sha

you put a great player that will ease them of pressure and burden you combining matic, lingard with pogba in the midfield, how was he suppose to even play well, he can't leave matic alone in the back hence coming back more to help him.

Interesting

He can't concentrate in the CM he was supposed to play oga. Maybe you don't know anything about football sha ooo. As good as ronaldo is in tapping in goals when he didn't see anyone to give him ball to tap in he shut down.

i dey learn how to quote inbetween, I don know how to do am now, thanks for allowing me to use you learn it

petra1:
Casting out demons is one of our mandates

Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

That's true, but only from non christians, not from christians

petra1:
So what came out and they became whole

They only recovered from their delusion after a short while

That’s a demon of dual personality

Find out the meaning of schizophrenia, it's nothing spiritual at all.

They know me and fear me.

same to all christians.

Now I know where the problem is . Brother You don’t need to fear them

I don't need to be afraid of demons. All I'm saying is, Christ has done everything ,we don't have any demon battle to fight cos if we do, then we cannot stand it on our own.

jamescross:
paul said ALSO he didn't say ONLY. it means there are times he prays in the spirit and lacks understanding and other times he prays in the spirit with understanding. ok

If you want to know what Paul meant, read everything from the beginning.
He was simply saying that if anyone should speak in tongue in church then he must interprete what he is saying so that everyone will benefit and be edified or encouraged.

If what he meant includes him speaking in tongues in the spirit and lack understanding at times, how does that correlate with edifying or encouraging the church?
Are you saying that Paul spoke out of point?

Does Paul speaking in tongues to himself without understanding what he is saying in anyway edified the church?

Paul was much more intelligent than that.

shadeyinka:
You didn't answer the question.
Why did Jesus call Peter 'Satan'?
Was Peter the 'Satan' in disguise?

Ok,
He was the Satan in disguise at that moment, Does that makes him inflicted by demon?

jamescross:
1 Corinthians 14:14

Read verse 15 as well.

1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also...

That means you must understand what you are saying so that if someone ask you, what are you saying while praying? You should be able to explain to the person so that you will be seen as a mad man

cyrilamx:
As a vast student of theology, I never really believed in generational curse though I believe in demonic affliction (demonology), until I experienced all manner of set-back and failures at point of successes. The evidence was there. But I thought I wasn't doing things right. Whether in advance countries or third world countries people re victims of generational curse. In advance countries, victims either seek out Priests for exorcism or astrologers who call such curses NEGATIVE ENERGY.
IN NIGERIA, 3 things fight against success- laziness, governmental policies( corruption and lack of infrastructures), curses or evil manipulation. If u still continue to doubt generational curses as I used to, then read the book "The Kennedy Curse" by Edward Klein. Why America's first family has been haunted by tragedy for 150 years.

You are not telling to read bible, you are telling me to read Edward Klein.
Did he got his article from the bible or he wrote out of experience?
How am i sure it's not a psychotic episode?
These are questions you should ask yourself.
I tell you, human experiences are physical. They become deception when they are attributed to be spiritual experiences.
We only rely on God who is a better spirit to understand.

MuttleyLaff:
The present and prevalent view on "speaking in tongues" also known as tongue speaking or alternatively as speaking in languages which most are raised with and made or forced to believe, is incorrect because the indoctrination is based on faulty understanding and misinformation

Paul wasnt deceiving himself brother
unfortunately same cant be said of many misled into peddling a con

Do you know the great advantage about telling the truth?
Nobody ever believes it.

Truth is like the sun.
One can shut it out for a time, can run from it, can bury head in sand to hide from it
but it dont mean it is not still out there, it doesnt mean it's gone or will go away.
Truth like the sun, doesnt go away.
Truth haunts.

¹³So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.
¹⁴For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.
¹⁵Well then, what shall I do?
I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand.
I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand.
¹⁶For if you praise God only in the spirit, how can those who don’t understand you praise God along with you?
How can they join you in giving thanks when they don’t understand what you are saying?
¹⁷You will be giving thanks very well, but it won’t strengthen the people who hear you.
¹⁸I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you.
¹⁹But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others
than ten thousand words in an unknown language
- 1 Corinthians 14:14-19

I have helped with bringing out the context surrounding 1 Corinthians 14:14
So please share your understanding of 1 Corinthians 14:14

You are on point bro

And they could not cast out the demons from masquerade?
Lazarus people

petra1:
It’s not true that a Christian cannot be demonized .I have cast out devils from many Christians . Even pastors . How did the demons enter them ? . It’s not even advisable casting out demons from non christian . Except he is ready to accept christ . Because he can’t sustain it

Forget it,
It was not demons you casted out from them, scriptures cannot lie.
They are just being schizophrenic.

If you see demon you fit stand?
Make God not let us see bad thing o.

PastorAIO:
So no one is a christian.

The moment you were born into a christian home you are already a christian like that.
or you were converted into christianity from another religion either by people preaching to you or you just decided to join christianity, in either case you are a christian the moment you believe in Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9
We are not christians because we are trying to be christ-like.
Yes, it is good to emulate Christ teachings, but doing that do not make us christians

shadeyinka:
No Sir!

I learnt that everything we are and would ever amount to are products of Gods grace.

Let's look at you!
You speak good English
You are intelligent
Most likely Born Again
Your Parents are most likely Educated
Your Parents were self sufficent

Now these meant that
1. If you were Born to a Begger from Sokoto, everything we know about you now will be different.

You will probably at best end up as an Islamic Mallam or a Bokoharam member or a beggar.

You speak good English today simply because your Parent sent you to the best school they could afford. It was out of your control.

Of course, you are meant to maximise the grace available to you through dedication and hard work.

Now, just like DJ Cuppy has inherited wealth so some people inherit poverty, war, demonic oppression, incapacitation and limitation.

Excuse is when a Christian refuse to:
Think
Work
Pray
and Fight for what has been given to him/her by Christ within the confines of Grace available to him.

Exactly,
You are very correct

shadeyinka:
Could it be a misunderstanding of the meaning of the Scriptures!?

Jesus turned water into wine
Jesus walked upon the sea
Jesus died and rose again on the third day

Now, Jesus is also our Example isn't it?
Coupled with Jesus saying greater works than these shall we His disciples do..

Can we as Christians say that all Christians should begin to walk on water, turn water to wine etc.

The Logos kill, it is the Rhema through the Holy Spirit that gives life.

A medical doctor who has never conducted a surgery can never claim to be an authority in Surgery (just because he has read some books).

It takes a little experience in the application of Christ command (Preaching, Healing and Deliverance) to claim any authority.

Any Christian who has been in the field know that some Christians can be afflicted by demons.

Let me ask you a direct question:
Why did Jesus call Peter 'Satan' just after he alone was given the mystery of Christ as the " Christ, Son of the Living God"?

It was not that Peter was inflicted by demons, he was just simply ignorant of how Jesus was going to achieve his aim of saving mankind, he never thought Jesus was going to die .

The same thing applies, Christians today can be ignorant of how to make wealth and be relevant, but that does not mean they are inflicted by demons or being pursued spiritually by forces from their village as they are made to believe by their pastors .

Therefore, the only solution to their problem is education, not any deliverance.

Diesel1:
She lived a wayward life.. her lyrics was very uncensored.

That is not enough offence to warrant death. there are several musicians writing similar lyrics, why is her case different?
why are those pastors not prophesy death to others too?

I think this whole thing is just coincidence and nothing more

JesusSonOfGod:
It's funny. Take time and read all your post, you will find out you have not been making sense. Do you even understand yourself. I am just trying to avoid chatting with you, because you might be one of those agents on this forum. You sound so confused. Just read your posts again. Your arrogance and contradictory statements makes you more suspicious, but you have failed if you are one of those enemies of the Church.

It's well with you bro. If you are truly a Christian, then someday you will understand, but don't forget to come back here to admit and testify how you received knowledge from God because you will surely do if you ask Him for it. That's if you are not one of those people sent to fight against the church. Please, don't bother replying me, just save yourself your too much intelligence and arrogance.

You can say whatever you like
I'm sure you also read in the bible that Jesus was not understood too, he was even called belzebub by the pharisees and was seen kicking against evil among holy people in the temple and they saw him as arrogant too, not making sense to people.
But thank God few individuals in his generation understood and followed him till he was crucified.

Have you wondered why some few people are klicking LIKE to those my comments you called senseless? It's because there are still few individuals who still use their brain to think and understand, who are not unreasonably religious like the vast majority of Nigerian Christians where you belong.

If the church was doing well in Nigeria no one will critize it.
When people are critizing the church for their wrong and you are being sentimental enough to attack it critics saying they are agents of the devil simply because you are a christian, then you are not helping the church and God will never be on your side.

This is my advice to you and it's simple, go and learn first before picking the mandate to preach or you keep disseminating wrong information to people thereby putting them in boundage.
The world is becoming technically advance in knowledge and understanding far beyond these your african fictions of people inflicted with generational courses.

Let the church be realistic for once and let's see who will critize it

jamescross:
so Paul was deceiving himself

By saying what?

PastorAIO:
So if you can't be like christ then why do you call yourself christ-like?

No one is christ-like.
Rather we all share from the death and resurrection of Christ through our faith which is grace

No human being is actually a perfect being, whether they are hypocrites or armed robber or whatever. But being a christian entails that you were born into a christian home and groomed to be a christian by a christian parent or you were converted from another religion into christianity.
Not being trying hard to live like Christ because you simply cannot be like Christ or fully follow the teachings of Christ.
It's not possible

JesusSonOfGod:
Brother, with due respect, please just believe what you want, let's stop the conversation here, but let's remember each other in prayer. Thanks and God bless you.

And don't preach again until you are fully grounded to avoid misleading innocent ignorant Nigerians like pastors are doing now .
If i was ignorant too i would have also clapped for you just like billions of Nigerian christians clapping for current day pastors

shadeyinka:
Just give thanks for yourself haven been born free of demonic cages.

Some Christians were born with limitation, poverty, sicknesses etc no fault of theirs.

Dangotes great grand children can never be poor. That is part of their generational blessings. It has nothing to do with their salvation or worldliness.

So also, some Christians are poor just because their parents were so poor they couldn't send them to school

So, the fact that some christians are poor just because their parents were poor and could not send them to school, is that what you call demonic cage?

I call that excuse, not demonic cage.
Satan is not responsible for people's failures

shadeyinka:
Of course Christians can be affiliated by demons.

And I speak from my own personal experience...until I fought my own battle and broke their hold on my assets and wellbeing.

I have also been used to help serious Christians break free from bondages.

Now look at this scripture

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.....

Meaning, every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God which categorically mean that christians can never be inflicted by demons spirit, rather their spirit is of God.

What i mean is, no christian among the early disciples saw their fellow christians as inflicted by demons talkless of conducting deliverance. We see all these things this modern day in today churches and it's contradictory.

And you know that everyone who go to church (except people of other religions like Muslims who never believe and confess Christ) including those you conduct deliverance of being inflicted by demons, they have all believe in Christ and confessed and agreed that Jesus has come in flesh, what they were thought from childhood by their parents and they grow up with that believe as christians, that Jesus is the Christ.

Going by that scripture 1 John 4:3, will you say that your experience is more reliable than what the bible assure, as it assures that every spirit that confessed that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God and can never be of the demons?

Will you depend on your experience as a deliverance minister and ignore scriptures?

Tongue speaking is absolute deception when the speaker have no interpretation

shadeyinka:
I was actually too hard on the OP.
But the point is that experience usually is the best teacherneven in things of the Spirit. Anyone who has conducted deliverance before would understand. But one who hasn't will talk theory.

I used to be like that before through experience ni saw that Christians can be afflicted by demonic entities.

Do you still have the believe that christians can be afflicted by demons?

JesusSonOfGod:
I did not state that God created anyone cursed, but those who have not become born again are still under the nature of sin. People were born in that nature, because of the Sin of Adam. They are still connected to the lineage of Adam, this is why you must be born again to receive Christ and have Him in you...

So, what you are saying is, generational course is Sin nature from Adam and not financial set backs depending on whether the person was coursed or not?

If that is the case, no one is coursed then.
Only that some people have eternal life through Christ while some do not have. In either case the rain and sunlight reaches everyone equally irrespective of what we believe

JesusSonOfGod:
I also agree with this. Generational curses do not exist for those who are in Christ. As a born again, you are free from all curses. I mean all curses. If you read my post, you will understand this is what it explains. Calm down bro, we are not quarrelling, just calm.

We are not quarreling,
I'm asking, do you believe that there are people who go to church that need deliverance from generational course?

I'm seeing two different pastors(one prophet Ajei fredua and this one again called prophet Nigel) claiming to be the one who prophesied her death.

They are now fighting among thems to claim who actually did the prophecy abi?

Fake people!!

If she was lesbian what's their own inside?