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Having read Charles Darwin's origin of species, it dawn to me that Darwin's ideas had nothing to with creationism. Afterall, the scriptures indicates that a thousand years is like one day before God, and one day is like a thousand years. Meaning, seven day creation idea of the bible could be any duration (not necessarily seven days).
This to my opinion do not negate science,
It do not negate Evolution or any Charles Darwin's principle.

So, what are the atheists source of confidence?
I want to know?

Johnnyessence:
Former president of the Pentecoastal Fellowship of Nigeria and founder of The Redeemed Evangelical Mission TREM church, Bishop Mike Okonkwo, recently admitted he had been wrongfully teaching his members on the very controversial topic, Tithing.

Thanks to Daddy freeze for making you accept the truth finally. God bless you for this turn around sir

In a video making the rounds on social media, Bishop Mike Okonkwo admitted he had in the time past preached frightening messages to his congregation just to get them to pay their tithes. He admitted that pastors conjur all kinds of things just to get their members to give tithe.

i wish oyedepo and adeboye will aggree to this fact too. god bless you sir

''If you don't tithe, things will be tight for you
''

is their fallacious conclusion which do not apply to reality

He went on to add that Christians are to give to God willingly and not be cajoled or forced to give

rhema

NEWS‘Go and fight snake that swallowed N36m’ – Ghanaians insult Buhari for promising to fight corruptionPublished on March 7, 2018 By Ameh Comrade Godwin

Ghanaian citizens, particularly social media users have descended on President Muhammadu Buhari over his promise to help Ghana in its fight against corruption.

Buhari had during his visit to Ghana on her 61st Independence Anniversary celebrations, which held at the Independence Square, promised to help the country in its fight against corruption.

His pledge, however, did not go down well with some of the citizens, who wondered why Buhari, whose country was ranked 148th most corrupt country in the world could help Ghana in fighting corruption with his own unending corruption load in Nigeria.

The angry citizens asked the Nigerian president to go and fight a snake that allegedly swallowed 36 million naira ($102,409, the cedis equivalent of over 470,000 cedis from the office of Nigeria’ Joint Admission and Matriculation Board (JAMB).

Emmysteve:
stop misinterpreting the scriptures.

Oya interprete Rev 11:15 rightly let's see

Emmysteve:
The Bible didn't make mention of the word Rapture but the event that would take place on that day is what is referred to as rapture.

There is no such event.
Rather this earth we are living is now the kingdom of God that has no end. Rev 11:15

Thanks to Christ

[Igbo accent] Op,, are you an Igbo man?
Don't worry , your market will not sell in this world, but in your dream.
Nobody will buy it here

Op, the word rapture is not found anywhere in the bible,

Scriptures you quoted thinking they are talking about rapture are all referring to something else.

Remain in this world and replenish it, that was what God created mankind (Adam) for, so we ain't go no where.

Focus on your work without fear of anything, I'm sure you should have something to do in your office this morning.

Lomprico2:
I have never paid tithes to any pastor and hardly experience all this brainwash crap you linked tithing to.

please tell them o

ediko5:
The president of living faith church worldwide, Bishop David Oyedope has spoken about tithing and giving to God.

According to Bishop Oyedepo, many believers are dead because they are keeping more than is required and so they start dying.

Watch Video Below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7DIkcZnI30

I use to say it, this man is not different from diabolical africanist

Myself2:
For him to be saved, he is just a christian by mouth.

Prove me wrong by posting a link of his salvation experience

You know how your demand is like?

It's like the Pharisees demanding Jesus to show them a sign from heaven before they can believe he is the coming Messiah.

And just like Jesus replied the Pharisees my reply to you is that there is no salvation experience to post, He is a christian.
Go and believe whatever you like who cares?
Rubbish

fof1:
THAT GUY IS NOT A CHRISTIAN BORN AGAIN. HE IS AN INSULENT SADDIST,AN APOSTATE IN NEED OF DELIVERANCE. HE IS A TRUE HERETIC AND ANTI KINGDOM CONVERT. SOME CALL THEM CHRISLAMIST, PEDDLING FALSE DOCTRINE ON D PLATTER OF MEDIA POPULARITY, WHICH WILL DAMN HIS SOUL IF HE DOES NOT CHANGE HIS COURSE...

That's your own view about him, let others have their own view.
To me, he is a christian because he preaches Christ, simple.
He identify error doctrines in christianity and make attempts to correct them some of which he is wrong and most of which he is right.

We need people like this to keep criticizing to ensure absolute correction

Lilimax:
omg! Seems Freeze is your mentor. By the way who is he?

Mentor?
By coincidence, we find ourselves in this faulty Nigerian generation.

donnie:
Firstly, there is religion in Christianity, but Christianity is not a religion.

Define religion from English dictionary?

Secondly, that is the book of Romans, written to the church, not to the world.

Paul wrote it to the church so that the church will identity people who sneak into their midst pretending to be christians. And the only way christians could identify them is to note their doctrine, that they don't preach Christ. They should do away with such.

These sort of people have been in the church since the days of the apostles. Paul warned the church about such folks.

the sort of people you are referring to are christians misunderstanding scriptures which does not make them less christians.
How many Nigerian pastor even understand the bible they preach? I don't think there is any.
Yet there is no way you can deprive them of their faith, you are not God.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

grevious wolves were never christians, they came from outside the christian flock

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

your own selves are people among the christian flock pretending to be christians. They are not christians because they never preached Christ but were there to deceive christians to draw them away from believing in Christ

Ever heard of "wolves in sheep clothing"?

the same thing I'm talking about

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

false prophets here are not christians. They were false because they did not preach Christ .

The bottom-line is, Daddy freeze do not fall into the category of these people because he preaches Christ

Lilimax:
Why are my wasting my time since? I just discovered you're a Jehova witness ' Ndi uka akpa' if you know what I mean I hail una!

Witness my foot! Those bunch of confusionists?
God forbid!

All I'm saying is, only oyibo man understand bible,
You Africans read bible and interprete it to hate yourselves.
Daddy freeze is not born again... You have a scripture for it.
Daddy freeze is demon... You have another scripture for it.
Daddy freeze is Antichrist... Oh, there is another scripture

The same daddy freeze believes that Jesus is the Christ just like you all did .

So therefore, why are you quoting scriptures?

You know, when white men look how you hate yourselves this much, they call you black monkeys

They wish they did not bring christianity to Africa in the first place

shekauvsbuhari:
His tithe.

Nor go start full time yahoo first

donnie:
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Una get serious problem to understand o

Anyway, let me state this clearly, christianity is one religion.
All your efforts to divide God's children and seperate them from the flock by saying you are born again and he is not, simply because you perceive they are sinful will not work.
Because even you yourself you are sinful.

It never occur to you that this scripture you just quoted was directed to non christians(people of other religion) who came among the midst of believers pretending to be one of them, trying to convince deceive believers that, that Jesus that was crucified is not the coming Messiah, hence Paul wrote that scripture?

Is daddy freeze non christian, has he ever denied saying that Jesus is not the Christ ?

Use your brain and think, ask yourself simple questions and advice yourself before God visits you by himself o

MuttleyLaff:
¹¹I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.
¹²The hired hand is not the shepherd, and the sheep are not his own.
When he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away.
Then the wolf pounces on them and scatters the flock.
¹³The man runs away because he is a hired servant and is unconcerned for the sheep.…
- John 10:11-13

[s]Wrong
To continue in a moment, as I am having my lunch [/s]

Paxonel, my main mayne, please accept my profuse apologies & disregard my now scratched out earlier speak out
I thought you were refering and talking about John 10:11-13
as John 10:13, in particular, the part, where, in at sight of wolf, the man runs away, is talking of pasteurpreners

I dey chop o, my food don throw way finish for my mouth, some even pass nose come out

Lilimax:
Except you're born again you shall not enter into he kingdom of God.

That means, born again comes first before the kingdom, meaning, born again was a means to the kingdom and not the kingdom itself.
Being in the kingdom is far better than being born again.
Christianity is the kingdom.

I know you will never understand so forget it, it's beyond the understanding of Africans

Black monkeys

Omenkasi:
I heard it's the most controversial pastor that changed him

is it not pastor Kim? Pastor Kim is not controversial

Lilimax:
You can be Christian for years yet you're not born again

He does not need born again, being christian is enough for anyone who believe that Jesus is the Christ that's all

valentineuwakwe:
hi
please i need help on what to do as my conscience is telling on me that I have been cheating God. I am a Catholic and have not been going to church since two years a go not to talk of paying tithe. but the most startling thing is that God has been blessing me despite not coming out to worshop him....within this two years, I got SIP job, set up 5 top blogs hitting 5000 page views daily, earns dollar monthly with adsense, almost completed my own apartment in portharcourt, plays nairabet daily n win, even if its 3k...living well, etc...
but don't seem to find that joy or interest in going to church or my Sunday masses,I love God n want to start going to church again but don't knw how, what do you think is wrong with me?

You don't need help and can't possibly be cheating God, you are already self sufficient and complete in Christ the way you are like this.
Rather, it is church that need help from you .
Well, if you choose to start going to church and begin to render help to the church, always remember the poor and the down trodden. Otherwise, you will be cheating God.

I saw this headline somewhere earlier,
Its funny

Hmmm!
Freeze

donnie:
You have been fooled. He is one of those planted among the sheep steal, kill and destroy. But he has failed.

This your statement is very fallacious, when Jesus says the thief commeth not but to still, kill and destroy he was not referring to any human being as the thief. He was specifically referring to other religions that came before he (Jesus) came on earth to die.
I'm taking time to explain this to you so that you don't have excuse of ignorance, i did not know.

Stop quoting scritures wrongly for your evil agenda against your fellow christian.
You don't like him how does that change his faith?

You better go and enroll in school o

Pierohandsome:
Is remaining daddy freeze

You are just being childish, freeze is a christian already, what do you want again from him?

This is really good news, I'm so happy for Charlie, thanks to pastor ..whats his name again o
To God be the glory .

sonofspada:
Let me disagree.

It is allowed

When you keep feeding your spirit

what are you talking? spirit is not flesh that eat o, tell your pastor this truth next Sunday. Like the scripture says, spirit is spirit while flesh is flesh, there is nothing that relates the two. You can feed the flesh, but to say you are feeding your spirit, it does not apply to reality.

with vulgar and vane words, like Bleep, bitch, pussy etc.

yes, you can feed your flesh with this, but not your spirit. What's Gods business if you choose to be using vulvar words? Is it not your flesh that will suffer it?

Your subconscious takes note

this is it! Your subconscious is the flesh that takes note,not the spirit

and its like a tap that drips watter in and empty bucket over a particular time, and boom

tap, buckets are all material things not spirits, so they are best used for the description

before you know it.

this is where the differences comes! It is not everyone that will be so careless of their mind not to know when it is coming, no doubt few people can be that careless allowing what they hear in lyrics influences their actions, but most people already have their principles intact long before music lyrics comes such that they have no effect on their behavior.

your language because profane and if your heart is not guarded, you start looking to participate in those things you keep hearing.

this is why the bible says guide your heart with all diligence because, there is no way you can stop profane things flying pass your ears in this world. You have the option to guide your heart but you don't have the option control or filter everything that you hear. so it's far better to be real in this world.

Seriously I intentionally deleted so many songs i sincerely loved if there's the slightest fword

This action of yours will not do you any good, it will not benefit God in anyway,it will not make you a better christian, ofcourse your salvation is intact whether you delete them or not, neither will it help your church, rather you deleted what entertains you and makes you happy especially when you are bored. I guess you did it to fulfill all righteousness in your local congregation based on what they preach and belief?

. It hurt me buh i was like Bleep it, oops.

don't do anything that will displease yourself and please other people, it doesn't worth it.

It wasn't even adding anything to me

that's what they made you to believe,but seriously you were entertained, you were happy and God want you be happy. Now,think about your father seeing you dancing to a music tone in the sitting room at your home and he becomes happy and feels like dancing too irrespective of the music genre, will you now say God who is even more caring than your father will frown on you for dancing any music?
God is not that babarric.
The way religion has portray God to us, they make us think that God is that big guy up there who brings out is big whips on us when we mess up.
Its not so

theres over a billion songs out thers that are waiting for you to hear them.

i change my songs on weekly count down of MTV base or Trace urban, by this I'm updated with the latest hip hop songs

Botom line: choose what you listen to wisely so as not to get ur subconscious mind corrupted

this is true, but mind corruption is subjective, and it depend on the individual

Happy Sunday.

Giving to church or individuals is good, but tithing is not giving, it is fraudulent distortion

mrpeter010:
Good day brothers, am really addicted to hiphop songs , the likes of the game, bun B , ludacris, post Malone , etc. please how do they affect my spiritual life ?

It's not affecting your spiritual life in any way.
Music is things of the flesh,
Your spiritual life is spirit.
What is spirit is spirit and what is flesh is flesh, there is no connection between the two.
Please enjoy your hip hop musics, don't allow religious emotions to kill your joy

alBHAGDADI:
Na wah for you o

@Bold I don't think I need to continue arguing with you cos you've exhibited tendencies of some who knows nothing about the Bible, about Christianity and about God.

you want to beg the question and run away abi?

How can you ask if spirits reason? It shows you know nothing.

This is not necessary, answer my question, do spirits reason?

The Bible passages below explains that for you. First passage tells us that God is Spirit, ...

you are diverting from the main issue and going to God. I did not ask you "do God reason ?", I asked "do spirits reason?" in relation to Jacob not God since we have been talking about Jacob. Jacob was human not God. All I'm saying is, we humans don't use spirit to reason, we use our brain to reason.
The brain is flesh and not spirit, Jesus says that which is born of the spirit is spirit, and that which is born of the flesh is flesh, john 3:6. This is simple identity law, ok.
Your next comments that arises from this misconception, they are all not necessary too

You expect all the livestock and servants to remain when the whole land was suffering from a famine that lasted 7 years? Which grass will the livestock eat? Is 7 years not more than enough for Jacob, his wives, many sons and daughters, and his servants to squander the livestock which must have been growing thin and ready to die of starvation? Or don't you know what famine is?

thank God you have started using your brain to analyse this thing correctly,

I'm even surprised that you doubt if they actually had livestock.

where is this one coming from, did i say i doubted anything? I told you i was very certain they had nothing left again, that's why they went to Egypt in search of food

Genesis 37:2
2 These are the generations of Jacob. [b]Joseph, being seventeen years old, was feeding the flock with .....

You are bring back this past glory thing again o, what's your benefit?

You've once again shown that you lack discernment. Who's talking about going to the Egypt we know today? I was being spiritual here

sorry, freeze was not being spiritual when he was talking, he uses clear languages understood by men so channel your spirituality to somewhere else if you think it's by spiritual discernment you understand your love ones communicating with you in simple languages at home

Is it the duty of Churches to build industries or the duty of the government?

who is saying the church should build industries? If the church cannot play it role of educating people the need for education and industrialization in the society why are they now converting industries to their car park?

Those nations in the west who are highly industrialized today, do you know that it was all due to the foundation of Christianity i.e the IVY league universities they built which propelled learning?

then let christianity in Nigeria lay the foundation that's what God want, that is what we want too. A situation where pastors are taking advantage of ignorant Nigerians to enrich themselves without proper education of scriptures, is that how to lay a good foundation for education?
They can inspire christians to go into politics with the mind of not being corrupt or having it at the back of their mind that if they don't educate christians, some of these christians may end up becoming politicians tomorrow. But when they are educated right from church semons,they grow to have better mindset becoming politicians who will change policies, channeling the huge percentage of security votes meant to be consumed by senators alone into revamping our education system and industries, but guess what pastors are doing? They are busy giving church members hopes of financial breakthrough only when they give to church, is that how to lay good foundation?

I will rather advice you to just simply keep quiet if you have nothing good to say.

alBHAGDADI:
If this was how Freeze put it, then it is even more harmful to spiritual reasoning.

firstly, this where you people are getting this whole thing wrong. Do spirits reason?
We are talking about physical things here, not spiritual things. Not every stories in the bible were spiritual stories, Jacob ended up in egypt was nothing spiritual, it was just normal coincidence.

Who told you Jacob didn't work? If you read Genesis Chapter 32, you will see that he had several livestock and even servants.

So where were the livestock and servants during the seven years famine? If they actually had livestock and servants remaining after he worked for them why then will Jacob send his sons into egypt in search for food?
Why didn't he send his servants instead of his sons?

How did a man you and Freeze claim didn't work possess all of those? Even in his old age, he still had flocks which his children helped him to tender.

this was past glory, don't dwell on past glory that's what we are saying. Things were better in Nigeria in the past does not mean that it is the same now. Whatever situation we find ourselves in this country today we have to work and solve the problems rather than being spiritual, that's what freeze is saying.

Mind you, Egypt also had blessing from God despite the fact that they were a pagan nation with rebellion against God.

This is true! Infact Joseph was the greater blessing to Egypt at that time because Joseph worked. Nigerians are not working, they are praying, they are waiting for Gods blessings, in this modern day that there is knowledge and understanding worldwide? Una go pray tire o

Nigeria has had its own time of abundance

past glory

but it was all squandered on the wrong things.

by who??

But it is never too late; just as Jacob reconnected with his blessing in Egypt, we too can reconnect with ours. This will open ours to know what to do with what's left.

it's like you do not understand what freeze meant by Egypt.
Egypt are foreign countries Nigerians run to, in search for greener pastures. mind you, there is nothing spiritual here, Egypt just a figurative language that means foreign countries in the context of his sermon. Nigerians cannot possibly connect their blessings in Egypt this modern day, it's not possible. Rather, every Nigerian who travel to Egypt in search for fortune are ended up being discriminated but they come back and smile as if nothing is happening. That to my opinion is not blessing, look at Donald trump emigration policies, do they favour foreigners? It's part of the thing freeze is talking.

It is that blessing Freeze doesn't want us to connect with.

Oya, you travel your own, go and connect let's see
When you would have remain in Nigeria and think of solutions to problems?

Can you compare the level of immorality to what's obtainable in western countries who openly endorse and celebrate such people to the point of elevating them as stars? What do you think will happen to Nigeria if we had such lifestyle to our problems?

immorality is everywhere, infact it is worst in Nigeria don't be received by our number of churches and traditional beliefs. But every country that have improved education and power supply rather than improved churches and mosques will end up becoming industrialized.
Freeze says some micro industries at lekki were converted to car park for a big cathedral is that not a big setback?

Don't be sentimental about your love for Freeze. Study this whole thing spiritually to see the truth.

Once again, i don't need any spirit to study anything. We all went to school and graduated, by the grace of God no spirit helped us to write any of those numerous exams we wrote and came out well. We all did it by ourselves, so nigerians should learn to solve their problems themselves and stop being excessive spiritualizing.
I do not buy every idea of daddy freeze, when he is wrong i always know, but this very Sahara interview about Nigeria, he is very right.

profolaolu:
Empty ur cup and go and read the story again with open mindedness

You would have made sense by bringing your own version of the story to complete your position that i lied

Anyway, before you further spur your sheepled sentiments go and read this again

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2013/07/02/deeper-life-suspends-kumuyis-son-wife/

Muafrika2:
They chose a very strange aspect of African culture to promote. There is a part of African culture - the spiritual part (juju, divination, witchcraft) - that is demonic.

It's because you are seeing them as demonic. They don't think like that, they think these parts of African culture are fictions and nothing more.
So, they took it and blended it with their science fiction and make a movie out of it and make so much money.
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