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eph12:
Tithing is just 10%. The people of old sold their properties to give to the apostles and we are here shouting freeze.

Churches don't run themselves. Diesel cost the church millions of naira monthly. In big churches, permanent staff run into 100s, they collect salaries. The same Redeem freeze love to criticize has thousands of clinics for pregnant and kids especially. They are cheaper than the average clinic on the street. Look at the redeem camp and canaanland and try to imagine their staff strength. Churches do humanitarian services that you don't know about or refuse to acknowledge because it is against what you want to believe about the church.

Maser:
No he's not the devil's agent as you presume!

Freeze however you look at him, may not be in the package of a clergy, but is actually a Prophet sent to correct this generation in this area.

I know you all hate him because he's at variance with your Pastors. It will do you a world of good to forget the messenger and check out his message studily.

I have been actively studying the Bible for the past 26 years and found his stance on tithing accurate. Leave your Pastors for a moment daughter, do your own studies for a bit and objectively too. You may just get stunned by the truth. It's for your own good.

That all the Pastors out there are supporting it doesn't make it right. The gate to hell is wide and broad, many go into it.

Freeze's situation is like that of Jeremiah and Christ. When they came speaking truths quite different from deceptions Pastors of the day whom the people believed were teaching, the people hated them.

Don't look at him as a radio man. Like, who is he? You could just be abusing a messenger of God. Calling him a devil's agent, as did the Pharisees to Jesus.


Think about it! Good luck Daughter!

eph12:
People sold their properties and dropped the money at apostles feet but freeze didn't see that part in his Bible.
Those ones were under chain of apostles abi?

ProPastorChris:
Tithe is not a money principle but a honour principle
Honour God with your substance
- Bishop Clarence McClendon

ProPastorChris:
Tithe is not a money principle but a honour principle
Honour God with your substance
- Bishop Clarence McClendon

felixomor:
After lying, the guy usually goes low key or will claim his account was hacked

Originaligboman:
Even though he's wrong sometimes... The truth is he is right most times

desreek9:
Spiritually inclined christians will know that freeze is an agent of the devil, so he can only deceive the secular christians.

Hildalicious:
It shows that only Nigerian pastors among pastors from other African countries are greedy enough to accumulate so much wealth for themselves in the midst of poverty in Africa

SIMPLYkush:
Freeze is the most stupid guy i have seen recently... i may be known for my stupid comments here on nairaland but the truth here is that this guy is just the true definition of Anti Christ... anybody who believes tithe is what bought those jets, then he/she has the same madness of that OP who said davido's concert generated 500 billion dollars...

scaramenga:
if i hear say oledepo get money pass adebole

WotzupNG:
Did Melchizedek say so himself?

OkCornel:
My brother...the thing just tire me mehn...the way some people dey read their bible sef, too much knowledge with little understanding to back it up.

Reminds of me students cramming stuffs just to pass exams for passing sake and not to understand what they are reading...

soulpeppersoup:
What you are saying is that Christ death didn't bring the gentile into the blessings of Abraham? Selective word study is dangerous.

OkCornel:
Just to further buttress your position, I find it somewhat ridiculous that someone would state tithing which is a Jewish custom to be mandatory to Christianity.

I wonder if soulpeppersoup ever bothered to ask if Hebrews was addressed to Jewish Christians or to Gentile believers... I also wonder if Paul wrote that letter with the mindset that it would be for those existing 2000 years later in Africa after he wrote that epistle...

It would be nice if soulpeppersoup can bring out further points on tithing from any of the letters Paul addressed to the Gentile church.
Of course he can't because tithing never applied to Gentile Christians nor is it obligatory on the Jewish Christians in the first place!

Cheers.

OkCornel:
Just to further buttress your position, I find it somewhat ridiculous that someone would state tithing which is a Jewish custom to be mandatory to Christianity.

I wonder if soulpeppersoup ever bothered to ask if Hebrews was addressed to Jewish Christians or to Gentile believers... I also wonder if Paul wrote that letter with the mindset that it would be for those existing 2000 years later in Africa after he wrote that epistle...

It would be nice if soulpeppersoup can bring out further points on tithing from any of the letters Paul addressed to the Gentile church.
Of course he can't because tithing never applied to Gentile Christians nor is it obligatory on the Jewish Christians in the first place!

Cheers.

soulpeppersoup:
Now read from verse one.


For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Heb 7:1-8 (KJV)

Melchisedec whom Abram paid tithe was Christ, he was not a levi nor was Abram his brethren. Verse 7 says he liveth as who christ. Tithe is only paid to christ through levi or pastors. Church members are brethren of Christ. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:11-12 (KJV)

Tithe started with Abram before the law. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1:17 (KJV)


Why did Moses bring tithe into the law? The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever. Deut 29:29 (KJV)

soulpeppersoup:
Freeze is wrong about first fruit and tithe.

Tithe is not a law. Tithe existed before the law as was circumcision. Law came by Moses while tithe exited even before Abram became Abraham.

I haven't listen to his opinion about first fruit but I know he is wrong.

mabea:
I guess you people's confusion is that you think that tithes are paid to the pastor directly. Do you know that in most cases(some churches) the pastors dont have access to the funds but the presbytery or the board though he may be signatory to the account.

mabea:
Please sincerely answer this questions. Who gave the law to Abraham when he paid tithe to Mechizedek? Also was there anything like jews at the time? If tithe is a jewish tradional law, why then do you give offerings or is it also part of the 10 commandments? is it not the pastors who collect both?

chinonyinye:
abeg go and read it again, use many versions sef, I know what I'm saying. you sound like a mischievous person

gypsey:
Absolutely! there are no spirits any were, spirits does not exist, this is what the crooked pastors use to entrap the gullibles. we are our spirits, this is also why when a muderer kills some one in nigeria they try to blame it on some spirits, but when he buys a new car he takes the success credit.

Adeyeye09:
u knw d lot of pple abandoning itu pple will just type rubbish. The truth is dat the pple who were against it were never tithers in the first plc. i was still at a service recently where the pastor asked for pple who could give 200k to come out nd several pple came. Those who are blabbing rubbish ave never given a dime in the first place!!!

cescky:
Even the though you thought you were making sense...

The fact that you think this is an intellectual discussion not a spiritual one means one thing ing. Your either a baby spiritually or are dead

The things of the spirit are foolishness to them that are of the flesh

Take it or leave it freeze is just deceiving people...about vthings he knows nothing about...it's people whose heart were not with God on the onset that are led astray

My word to him is: it's better not to have been born or a stone hewn around an individual and he's thrown into the sea, than for those that lead people away from Christ

D1official:
Bro pls nothing in d scripture is compulsory,not even heaven or salvation.
They only hv deir rewards (blessings and curses).
HV u asked urself y freeze is not speaking abt heaven Nd holiness which is priority,BT rather abt material tinz.

chinonyinye:
Hebrews 7:5