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OyinO:
Rupture Keep daydreaming

NOETHNICITY:
Daddy freeze reveals on his Instagram page that one kenneth, who overpaid his tithe by 100, 000, reported that his pastor has rebuffed all his effort to refund his money.

When re sheeples going to be emancipated?

Fredrick4:
The Beast shall compell all races of people to have His mark placed in either their foreheads or in their right hands inorder to fit in His governance.
What is the Mark?
The Mark is none other than a physical Microchip that shall be placed in people's right hands or in foreheads to be fit for trade(Revealation13:16-17),such as E-TRADE MARK,DIGA E-IMPLANT which are all equal to 666 numerically when following the English Gematria Calculator where letter A=6,B=12,C=18 etc.
DemoDIGA E-IMPLANT)
D=24
I=54
G=42
A=6
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E=30
I=54
M=78
P=96
L=72
A=6
N=84
T=120
SUMMATION:24+54+42+6+30+54+78+96+72+6+84+120=666.Use the same method to compute E-TRADE MARK,you get the same results.
The chip shall be able to collect information from people having it including beliefs,financial statuses, and send it to the Anti-Christ/Beast (Cyborg) or half man half computer making Him all knowing like God.You are happy with computer technology,but wait for the Beast reign.You shall tremble with pain and fear and be put to death innocently.

Atlantia:
My thoughts exactly.

ogbiwa:
Foolish comment

alBHAGDADI:
Nigerian Christians never said they are going to those countries to develop their economy. They are simply going there to preach the gospel of salvation to them.

How would you know that we Christians in Nigeria don't love themselves?

Then you obviously didn't read the link I gave you

In that link, Freeze said Christians from Nigeria shouldn't go to the countries you just mentioned.

Then how come your beloved freeze

...as never spoken against Islam but has pampered them and even labelled them as true?

alBHAGDADI:
Eve was not primitive but perfect until sin got hold of her. Her sin led to our imperfection. You can't compare our nature of today to adam and eve's perfection, irrespective of the amount of education we have.

HigherEd:
Focusing on the message not the intention is what got Eve into trouble with the serpent. I tell you today that the intention is more important than the message.

preciousuweh:
So are you trying to tell me that the new testament actually started from Acts 15,

if that be the case, are you trying to tell me that all of JESUS doctrines are wrong and invalid to us Christians since they were commanded and charged before Acts 15 (which is your so called beginning of the Christianity or new testament)? are you also trying to tell me that the books of Matthew to Acts 14 and everything written in them are wrong and invalid and that Christians shouldn't obey and do what is written in them since they were instituted before Acts 15? are you also insinuating that Christians shouldn't listen and obey the doctrines of JESUS since they were charged before Acts 15 rather they should obey the laws of the apostles? are you also trying to say that the opinion and doctrines of JESUS doesn't matter and is of no importance since it was instituted before Acts 15? are you also trying to tell me that the doctrines and opinions of the apostles matters more than that of JESUS?

Where was the doctrines of JESUS given in? of course in the books of Matthew to john and all HIS (JESUS) laws were given

So why are trying to say that Christians should only obey what is written in Acts 15 only because according to you, that's where the new testament or christianity starts from which automatically means that all the laws and teachings of JESUS in Matthew to John are invalid and wrong and that Christians shouldn't obey them because they were actually instituted before Acts 15.....

Bro, let me tell you, Christianity didn't start form Acts 15, rather it started from the cross which was when JESUS instituted grace, salvation and redemption.

First of all what is CHRISTIANITY.
[b]CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION (WELL TECHNICALLY, IT IS)

...NEITHER IS IT ALSO A CHURCH OR A PEOPLE

RATHER CHRISTIANITY IS GRACE, SALVATION AND REDEMPTION WHICH JESUS GRANTED TO HUMANITY.

SO CHRISTIANITY IS NOT ABOUT A RELIGION,

Even the apostle paul mentioned Tithing and he was even in support of it. Hebrew 7

preciousuweh:
So are you trying to tell me that the new testament actually started from Acts 15, if that be the case, are you trying to tell me that all of JESUS doctrines are wrong and invalid to us Christians since they were commanded and charged before Acts 15 (which is your so called beginning of the Christianity or new testament)? are you also trying to tell me that the books of Matthew to Acts 14 and everything written in them are wrong and invalid and that Christians shouldn't obey and do what is written in them since they were instituted before Acts 15? are you also insinuating that Christians shouldn't listen and obey the doctrines of JESUS since they were charged before Acts 15 rather they should obey the laws of the apostles? are you also trying to say that the opinion and doctrines of JESUS doesn't matter and is of no importance since it was instituted before Acts 15? are you also trying to tell me that the doctrines and opinions of the apostles matters more than that of JESUS?
WONDERFUL, WHAT AN IDEOLOGY.

Who gave the apostles the mandate? JESUS.

Which laws and doctrines were the apostles preaching, is it that of moses or that of JESUS? of course that of JESUS.

Where was the doctrines of JESUS given in? of course in the books of Matthew to john and all HIS (JESUS) laws were given before HE instituted grace by dying on the cross.

Who should Christians obey more, is it JESUS or the apostles? of course JESUS.

Whose doctrines should Christians obey, is it that of the apostles or that of JESUS? of course that of JESUS.

Who holds the greater authority, is it the apostles or JESUS? of course JESUS.

Who are the apostles subjected to? JESUS.

So why are trying to say that Christians should only obey what is written in Acts 15 only because according to you, that's where the new testament or christianity starts from which automatically means that all the laws and teachings of JESUS in Matthew to John are invalid and wrong and that Christians shouldn't obey them because they were actually instituted before Acts 15 which also means that all of JESUS doctrines and teachings are dumb, gibberish and that JESUS CHRIST himself was just wasting HIS time teaching HIS doctrines since they were done before Acts 15.
HEY. AHH. EHE. TELL ME SOMETHING. ABOMINATION. IYAMMI. REALLY!!!!!!!!!
THIS GUY HAS KILLED ME OH, SEE IDEOLOGY. OH GOD, PLEASE HAVE MERCY.

Bro, let me tell you, Christianity didn't start form Acts 15, rather it started from the cross which was when JESUS instituted grace, salvation and redemption.
First of all what is CHRISTIANITY.
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION (WELL TECHNICALLY, IT IS) NEITHER IS IT A MOVEMENT NEITHER IS IT ALSO A CHURCH OR A PEOPLE RATHER CHRISTIANITY IS GRACE, SALVATION AND REDEMPTION WHICH JESUS GRANTED TO HUMANITY.
SO CHRISTIANITY IS NOT ABOUT A RELIGION, MOVEMENT, PEOPLE OR CHURCH RATHER IT IS ABOUT GRACE, SALVATION AND REDEMPTION
And when did JESUS institute GRACE, SALVATION and REDEMPTION? on the cross. Did HE do it in Acts 15? of course not, rather HE did it before Acts 15. The commandment to even preach the gospel which is the gospel of Grace, Salvation and Redemption, was even commanded before Acts 15. If there was no establishment of GRACE, SALVATION and REDEMPTION which is CHRISTIANITY on the cross by JESUS there wouldn't have been any Acts 15. So where did Christianity actually start from, is it on the cross or in Acts 15? of course on the cross, and who established it? of JESUS, the apostles didn't establish it.


Bia, Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42, where is it, is it in the old testament or in the new testament?
Wait, let me guess, in the Bible you are trying to write or translate, maybe, the books of Matthew to Acts 14 are in the old testament while the new testament starts from Acts 15.
BRO, I'M THRILLED, KEEP IT UP. YOU KNOW WHAT, I WILL LIKE TO READ THAT YOUR BIBLE.


JESUS mentioned, preached, commanded, acknowledged and admonished TITHING in Matthew 23:23 and in Luke 11:42 which are in the new testament.

And I ask again, are you insinuating that Christians shouldn't obey and do the doctrines of JESUS himself which HE preached and taught from Matthew to John because they were commanded before Acts rather they should listen and obey the doctrines of the apostles? Are you also trying to insinuate that the doctrines of JESUS is of no importance but rather that of the apostles?

Acts doesn't have any record of Tithe but it has the record of giving to the church which tithing is a part of. Acts 4:34-35 but Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 which is in the new testament and is a doctrine and teaching of JESUS CHRIST, TITHING was mentioned, and it was not only mentioned rather it was supported, admonished, promoted and preached in favour of by JESUS himself who is the founder, instituter and establisher of GRACE, SALVATION and REDEMPTION, which is what Christianity is all about.

Whether you like it or not, no matter how you try to twist, tweak and dilute the scripture, certain things are sure, which are;

1.) The doctrines of JESUS is greater and of more importance than that of the apostles. JESUS is the head of the Church while the apostles and every other Christians are subject to HIM.
So now tell me whose doctrines should be obeyed, is it the doctrine of the head of the church HIMSELF or that of those under HIM.

2.) So far JESUS himself supported Tithing in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42. That law itself becomes valid for all Christians to obey whether the apostles in your so called Acts 15 mentioned it or not.
What JESUS himself has said and proclaim is what stands. And no one's opinion or doctrine matters or can overthrow it, not even that of you or the apostles in your so called Acts 15. JESUS is the head and still remains the head of the church, not only that, HE is also the author and finisher of our Faith, that same faith which was instituted on the cross of calvary, which is the same faith the apostles were upholding and preaching.
So whatever law JESUS supported and established, is established and whatever law HE kicks against or annuls, is annulled.
Whatever JESUS himself says is what stands and nothing can change that, not even the apostles or you or anyone or the DEVIL himself

VERY SOON, YOU WILL COME AND TELL ME THAT FORNICATION IS NOT A SIN BECAUSE IT WAS COMMANDED BEFORE REVELATION 22. I'M WAITING FOR THAT DAY SHA.

I have shown you were JESUS himself supported Tithing in the new testament. Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42.
Even the apostle paul mentioned Tithing and he was even in support of it. Hebrew 7.

Now, can you show me in the new testament where it is written that JESUS himself said Tithing is wrong and that Christians shouldn't Tithe.
And also can you show me where it is written in the new testament including that Acts 15 of yours, that the Apostles said Tithing is wrong and that Christians shouldn't practice it.
I'm waiting for your answer back up with new testament bible passages.
If you can't give it, then Forever remain quiet.


This is the dumbest of all dumbest counter points I have, is and will ever come across in my not up to 30 years on Earth (NO OFFENCE)

JESUS himself was a Judaist, HE was born into a Judaist family and nation, HE was raised with Judaist customs, laws and values. HE took part in Judaist festivals both religious and non religious, HE attended the synagogue and temple, HE studied the Torah which is the old testament law, HE even quoted them in HIS teachings. Most of HIS ministries where done within the border of Israel except in few cases where HE went out of the border of Israel into other countries.

All of JESUS teachings, doctrines and commandments were given before HIS death and during the time of Judaism except the below commandments that were given after HIS death, which are;

1.) The great commission: where HE charged HIS disciples and the Christians to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15.
2.) Where HE charged peter and HIS disciples (pastors) to feed HIS sheep (the Christians). John 21:15-17.
3.) Where HE charged HIS Disciples to wait at Jerusalem until they be endued with power from on high (The HOLY SPIRIT). Luke 24:49

Aside from the above three commandment, all other commandments, teachings and doctrines of JESUS were given before HIS death and during the time of Judaism.

So, if were are to go with the logic that tithing is invalid and wrong because it was commanded to the Jews, during the time of Judaism and before the death of JESUS CHRIST, that means logically, all of JESUS laws, doctrines, teachings and commandments are all invalid, wrong and not for the Christians because they were all commanded to the Jews, during the time of Judaism, and before HIS death.

Of course not, because those laws were the laws of grace (which includes tithing) that HE instituted before HE established Grace by HIS death.
Let's assume all the laws, doctrines, teachings and commandments of JESUS (which were the laws of grace) were commanded to the Jews, HE later commanded HIS disciples and the Christians in general to preach the message of salvation (which includes grace and its laws) to all the world. Matthew 28:19-20, Mark 16:15.

So, That Line Of Argument Is Just Plain Invalid And Meaningless.

alBHAGDADI:
The Gospel was not designed to improve the economy of any country

Or can you atleast mention one country whose economy got developed by the Gospel?

When Jesus gave the commission to preach the gospel, did he include economic development?

Now, what do you think Freeze and his secret cult are trying to achieve here?

They want those people in those countries to remain in spiritual darkness

by trying to prevent Christians from doing the assignment given to them by Jesus.

That is an antichrist spirit at work

All I see here is an attempt by disgruntle elements to place the blame meant for the government on the Church. Pls, blame your african leaders who embezzle money for the development of the continent, not Churches who instill morals in people.

alBHAGDADI:
He should not only delete his post, but also apologize. Without apologizing, it will show that he's simply on a smear campaign against anything thing Christianity.

How can you prove that God is using him? Has God ever sent a messenger to the point that the messenger didn't know when to stop? The fact that he's yet to stop shows he wasn't sent by God. Messengers deliver the message and move on, not wait for you to open the envelope to the extent of even wanting to see its content.

Freeze couldn't have been sent by God cos we have heard him make Antichrist statements that can never come from the mouth of someone sent by God. READ the below link to see how false he is.

https://www.nairaland.com/4276744/4-antichrist-statements-made-daddy


A message with a fowl intention is not worth focusing on. Most times, what he accuses the Pastors of doing are exactly what he does, most times worse.

If the Bible in Malachi 3:8-10 (which is supported in Matthew 23:23, luke11:42)

no pastor said that rather it is what is written in the Bible that they preach. That statement was made by GOD himself through the prophet malachi.

That is why JESUS CHRIST himself admonished Christians to tithe in Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42 because HE knew if they don't do it they are robbing GOD.

Assuming Tithing was only for the Jews, JESUS himself would have annulled it just like every other laws he annulled (I gave you examples in the article) but HE didn't rather HE supported and acknowledged it.

preciousuweh:
Yes no one should be forced to give. I talked about that down the article which I don't think you actually read because if you did you won't be saying such.
Giving means releasing something to something or somebody or for the course of something whether coercively or willingly, so far you released something that is giving.
People can be coerced to give although I'm not in support of that.
Whether Coercively or willingly, so far someone releases something, it automatically becomes giving. Releasing that thing which could be anything whether (positive or negative but I'm talking about positive here) makes it giving whether it was done coercively or willingly. Okay


No one should be forced to give which includes tithing, even the bible said so in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7, rather they should do it willingly and wholeheartedly.
If the Bible in Malachi 3:8-10 (which is supported in Matthew 23:23, luke11:42) says non tithers are robbing GOD, then certainly they are robbing GOD, no pastor said that rather it is what is written in the Bible that they preach. That statement was made by GOD himself through the prophet malachi. That is why JESUS CHRIST himself admonished Christians to tithe in Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42 because HE knew if they don't do it they are robbing GOD.
Assuming Tithing was only for the Jews, JESUS himself would have annulled it just like every other laws he annulled (I gave you examples in the article) but HE didn't rather HE supported and acknowledged it. Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42.
And please have you ever seen anyone been forced to tithe before or have you ever seen a scenario where people where been threatened or coerced at gun point to tihhe? of course not. No one forces anyone to tithe. The pastors only preach it and the tithers out of the convictions in their heart choose without coercion to tithe willingly and wholeheartedly.


Really, tell me how.
Have you ever seen anyone been forced to tithe before or have you ever seen a scenario where people where been threatened or coerced at gun point to tihhe? of course not. No one forces anyone to tithe. The pastors only preach it and the tithers out of the convictions in their heart choose without coercion to tithe willingly and wholeheartedly.
So tell me how where they coerced.



Tell me what makes tithing different from other forms of giving. Is it because it is been giving to the church that makes it different?
Please bro, don't confuse yourself. so far something is been released, it is GIVING, it doesn't matter where or who it is been released to.
Even JESUS himself supported giving to the church. Luke 21:1-4, Mark 12:38-44. HE didn't kick against it or annul it rather HE supported it with HIS actions.
Reread my article again for better understanding, okay.


Can you show where it is written that JESUS in Luke 6:38 hinted at or talked about giving to the poor?
I don't know why you just keep on confusing yourself.
When JESUS commanded the Christians to give in Luke 6:38, HE didn't mention how it was to be given, where it was to be given, whom it was to be given to and in what manner it was to be given in and also HE didn't say give and exclude tithing rather HE Just said GIVE and by that HE means anything that has to do with you releasing something, do it and that includes tithing.
So bro, stop confusing yourself, okay. No one is going to kill you if you've chosen not to tithe.
I will like you to read or reread this article of mine from the beginning to the very end for better understanding and indoctrination.

alBHAGDADI:
It's goo to speak up. But when you make it an habit of always attacking the Church, then it means you are trying to do God's job for him. You will end up indirectly attacking Jesus Christ in the process. That's exactly what Freeze has been caught doing numerously.

He's not God sent.

He only speaks for himself and for attention.

preciousuweh:
1.) PROOF ONE:
The bible in Luke 6:38 (KJV) says;

"Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.
For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again."

The above scripture is a commandment by JESUS for Christians to give. But where is tithing mentioned there? you may ask. Before I answer that let look at the meaning of giving.
GIVING in general means "TO RELEASE SOMETHING (I DON'T MEAN RELEASING TO PAY FOR SERVICE OR GOODS) TO SOMETHING, SOMEBODY OR FOR THE COURSE OF SOMETHING EITHER WILLINGLY, COERCIVELY, WHOLEHEARTEDLY OR GRUDGINGLY".

TITHING is a kind of giving because something is been released.

OFFERING is a kind of giving because something is been released.

CHARITY is a kind of giving because something is been released.
GIVING TO THE POOR AND LESS PRIVILEGE AROUND YOU is a kind of giving because something is been released.
GIVING TO YOUR PARENTS is a kind of giving because something is been released.
In summary, anything that has to do with you releasing something is GIVING

When JESUS commanded the Christians to give, HE didn't tell us how to give, where to give, who to give to, what to give and what manner to give in. HE didn't also said "GIVE EXCLUDING TITHING", rather HE just said "GIVE"

desgiezd:
He didn't have the humility to apologize for his misinformation rather he deleted the post.

A loud-mouth seeking attention!!

newsynews:
Controversial OAP, Daddy Freeze appears to be fast becoming an attention seeker these days as he reacts to almost anything that has to do with Churches.

This time around, he's caught giving a misleading information when he dabbled into criticizing an engagement announcement involving daughter of Vice President Yemi Osinbajo, Damilola Osinbajo and Oluseun Bakare.

The engagement was announced on social media by the Vice President who wrote:




Shortly after the Vice President, who is also a Pastor, broke the news, Daddy Freeze quickly to reacted to it.

This time around, he leaped without looking and ended up disemminating a wrong information.

He criticized the Pastor for offering his daughter to Oluseun Bakare, claiming he offered her to a Muslim simply because of the riches and political power the man's family wields.

His Instagram quote:




However, shortly after he uploaded the post to Instagram, it was met with opposing views which made him known that the man the VP's daughter is getting married to is not Muslim but a Christian. One report even stated that he converted to Christianity and has been a strong one since, infact a sunday school teacher.

After noticing his error, Freeze quickly deleted the post from his page, but not before screenshots of it were taken by bloggers. He's yet to apologize for the misleading information.

He also tried to label Church authority as hypocrites when he posted a news of a lady whose wedding was stopped by her State's authority cos she proceeded to get married to a Muslim man after converting to Islam, without her parent's consent.

Screenshots below.


http://www.purplefeel.com/2018/02/daddy-freeze-criticizes-vp-yemi-osinbajos-daughters-engagement-wrong-info.html

Ubenedictus:
you guys are happy to celebrate a good man worthy of emulation but you are the first to criticize Catholics for declaring a person good and worthy of emulation.

its either inconsistency or hypocrisy or you guys just love criticising Catholics

HigherEd:
By Nneka Okumazie

The biggest problem Nigeria has is lack of good focus. There is no focus on major or simple problems, everything that is a debate or topic or focus or projects is not what will truly move Nigeria forward. Instead it is one foolish debate after another, one baseless argument after another, one terrible headline and no simple or useful sense to combat major problems from responsible quarters.

The most common foolishness in Nigeria now is criticism of the Church of GOD; Church, tithe, first fruits, Church online offering, Church private jets, Church pastors, Church branches, Church universities, Church testimonies, Church teachings, Church poor members, etc.



The debate is so stupid, so foolish, so flawed that no matter how smart a person may feel, the moment you participate in these kinds of argument, you are in the realm of the obtuse.

Nobody says true Churches are beyond criticism, they are not; nobody says there are no fake churches or feigned Christianity practices, there are. But in terms of many of the arguments against the Church of GOD, conflicted for the role of government, it is complete foolishness no matter who you are.



The mission of the Church of GOD is not to develop Nigeria. The Church is not even as cash rich as major oil, telecommunication, bank or top lotto, companies. The Church is about the Kingdom of GOD and the message of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

So many useless CSR in Nigeria, nobody can face them relentlessly as Daddy Freeze against the Church of GOD. So many companies with opaque deductions and charges with nothing revolutionary back into the country sympathizers of these companies say they are a business with shareholders for profit, not development.



They are exempted, but the Church of GOD is responsible for development, OK.

Entertainment in Nigeria is already saturated. Most contents are low quality, vulgar songs, awkward insensitive jokes, terrible film plots, mediocre football and other sport performance, yet entertainment sponsorship is highest in Nigeria. Entertainment is not development. In fact those low quality, uninspiring, entertainment are not relevant to mental or national development.

Yet, nobody can touch or criticize entertainment. How many songs can a person listen to or movies in Nigeria that will make an individual think to become a better professional? Yet people go to the Church of GOD, learn, get encouraged, and want to be better and ambitious on earth and for heaven. So this true Church is the problem, OK.

In Nigeria, why should you not go to Church, and pray, whether it is answered or not, if the prayer or well-wishing prophecies makes you feel better, why not? There is no security, no hospital, no safety, no light, no road, no money, no water, no order, no guarantee, no fire extinguisher, no law, no transparency, no equal opportunity, no investigation, no justice, fraud everywhere, corruption everywhere, no progress, no quality control, dirty environment, fetidness, direct and indirect prostitution, no sound education, no work, only one state is trying to be functional, no food, and no future, nothing, why should a person not go to Church?

Young Nigerians are leaving the country desperately, some drown at sea, some are stranded abroad, but finding ways to solve all the causes of this problem with the federal and state governments or some very useful CSR is not the case. It is the Church online giving that is the problem, OK.

People forget that the problems of Nigeria drove Church growth, not otherwise. If you want economic and infrastructural development from the Church of GOD, ask the government to pay taxes and oil revenues there. But the Church of GOD does what it has to do for its mission from the Scriptures.

Some people will like the option to pay online instead of cash, if the option is not for you ignore, it is not a reason for cheap shot at the Church when there are other organization options too and so many problems around, with no good sense or suggestion and realistic solutions with your vile platform.

If an overseer, truly called of GOD rides a private jet, let GOD who called that overseer be the judge. But that a Church owns a private jet and it is a reason to connect jet to poverty, sorry, the Church of GOD does not have the political power, policies and resources to alleviate poverty in this oddish Nigeria. Besides, if the worst thing an overseer will do is use a private jet that everyone knows about, it is far better than so many appalling things many kinds of terrible religious clerics do that no one knows about.

There are so many sectors and industries in Nigeria not under the power of the government, but those people there by themselves cannot reform themselves to shape their work to make Nigeria a better place. But from every angle, the Church is adjudged the problem, false, lie, false.

There are righteous rich people in true Churches in Nigeria, they support the work. Those who do not have enough, give what they have, not under any force. The Church of GOD is where true Christians connect with the Comforter, and they come, rich or poor, in joy or sadness. The Church of GOD is a place where lives are touched and minds are renewed.

But this Church is under attack. Not fair attack, not wise attacks, foolishness, and you watch how it has now become normal, on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, by those who opted to blindfold themselves and think the Church should be what they interpret not about the Kingdom of GOD.

Until Nigeria as a country starts to focus on actual development, there is almost no way it will move forward. There is nobody in this world that can turn off the Light of the Church of GOD, no matter the bitter attacks. Christians started in the Acts of the Apostles, and will remain until Jesus Christ of Nazareth returns, to redeem them to Him...

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2018/02/09/church-god-nigeria-not-government-nigeria/

Lalasticlala

Austinoiz:
Your argument needs a bottle of beer to be strong. Oh the Church was called Universal then abi
OK let's buy your blind argument, now tell me if he wasn't a priest or perhaps if your Pentecostal church has been able to canonize a saint up till date.

Empredboy:
so what's your point?

Empredboy:
but there was Pentecostal and protestants during the time of Mary and other saints? please explain

raymexx:
Hahahaha see ur argument, why don't u then celebrate many other Catholic saints who lived during your so called Universal church time. most of Catholic doctrines was made during that time, why don't u follow it. Mitcheeewwww

AkunnaTochi:
Most protestants, especially pentecostals, do not acknowledge canonized saints of the Catholic Church including those who lived before, during and after the days of Father Valentine.

The question is, why is Father Valentine celebrated by Catholics and non Catholics. Why is his case different and why do the Protestants/Pentecostals stick with the Catholic date of February 14?