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mabea:
Young man nothing in christiandom is under compulsion. Everybody chooses whether to believe or not. If tithing is a law and i choose to believe and work in it to God be the glory. Jesus did not come to abolish the law. In fact as christians we are even suppose to live beyond the dictates of the law including tithing. So you can even give more than the 10%.

Jesus wouldn't have possibly abolish any traditional law belonging to any tribe, he upheld the 10 commandments above every other traditional laws including the traditional tithing laws of the Jews .
Tithing was a traditional religious law for the Jews and not for the gentiles.
Africans have their own religious traditional laws too, are the Jews not taking one of these our African traditional laws too the way Africans are now taking their own?
is God partial when it comes to traditional things?

Do you people think at all?

Honestagbons:
bros know body don answer

You see?

streamsofjoy:
Who says Christians are compelled to pay tithe. Have u heard of any church that excommunicated a member for refusing to pay tithe?

When pastors tell church members if they don't pay tithe they are robbing God and they become afraid and try not to rob God by paying, what do you call that?
Cheerful giving?

streamsofjoy:
Christianity is spirituality. That is why it is NOT a religion but a way of life. Issues like this cannot be separated from spirituality.

Error

Goodpeoplegreat:
Heaven is not for intelligent people but Fools like me...

If this is true, I keep saying that this prophet T. B Joshua is a very good man

Good question

Alliance01:
Absolutely, I agree with you the fact that the scripture said that "we are dead to sin" does not mean we should sleep and relax we have to stand guard and be ready for battle we should put on the full armour in Christ because the devil our greatest adversity is always lurking around seeking for who to devour. Another vital point is that the so called Christians of today majority are not really Christian - don't have the spirit of God. Some have it but its not manifesting because its been quenched and starved in their lives.

A scripture says as many that believe he gave power to become the sons of God. It did not say as many that manifest their holy spirit he gave power.
So, the key decision is to believe.
Being a christian was a gift of God to all of us, not that we decerved it because we were good.
So, you can't say someone is not really a christian because he is not manifesting the spirit of God or involved in sinful activities.
However, any christian commiting sin will suffer the consequence like anyone else, here in this life.

jeruzi:
It's not about spiritualising it. The truth is that everything is spiritual. There is always a spirit backing every move.

That is a lie o,
Even if it is true that there is always a spirit backing every move such spirit was made null and void the moment you are a christian.
A scripture says whosever be in Christ is a new creature.
When Jesus was ascending he says ALL POWER(including powers belonging to spirits) have been given to you.
That means you are the one controlling spirits not spirits controlling you
Even if freeze is not right he is the one making the error, not any spirit behind him.
And truly, no judge in any court of law will blame any spirit for the atrocity commited by any convict.
We all have to take responsibility for our actions.

So, any christian running to churches for deliverance and any pastor conducting deliverance are all deceiving themselves.

Alliance01:
From this message based on what I understood, I would try as much as possible to summarize your ur point. You concluded that the mankind is made of the body and soul, that the soul is the same as the spirit. In another context you said the spirit is inside the soul.
But here is what I would like to affirm its a fact even in the secular world that human being is made up of the body, the soul and the spirit. take the case of an individual possessed with a spirit, e.g of spirit of adultery, this spirit controls his mind - the soul, which he then manifest in the body through his actions. He might not be the wish of his mind to engage in adultery but he his being controlled by a force that the wind can not resist, this is where I agree with your point that the spirit is inside the soul. In human beings since our spirit which controls our soul is dead to God - imperfect, the spirit after our birth will possess any of theses worldly acts sexual immortality, jealousy, telling lies, selfishness, hatred, excess love for money and so on. there is no human being that would not have any of this weaknesses in his spirit, that his why we say no one is perfect, this acts controls our mind and manifest in our body through our actions. But this is what God has done through his Holy Spirit, He replaces our old spirit with the Holy Spirit, this Spirit Changes our mind, the way we perceive things will be different, and if finally manifest in our actions. The Spirit - Holy spirit controls our actions.

We all wish that the holy spirit should control our actions like you said. But that is really far from the truth.
Otherwise, everyone practicing christianity will all be good people by the holy spirit in them.
But the reality still remains that, inspite the fact that the holy spirit in us, we will still have to work on ourselves to become good people without the influence of the holy spirit in us.

asuustrike2009:
Freeze doesn't study the bible so he knows nothing.
The bible doesn't compel people to pay tithe,help the needy or give. It is not compulsory at all just as is not compulsory to be blessed. Freeze is only talking out of spit. He just quote one verse to buttress a point that he back up with enough bible verses

And the pastors do not see enough bible verse to counter his numerous verses? The implication of this is that, a lot of people have already started abandoning tithing.
If it is giving they are ready to give.
But tithing, no again

jeruzi:
I would just like to advice that you should be careful of the kind of spirit you connect to.

What do you mean by spirit?
We are talking about intellectual issues here. Obviously it appears that freeze is more intelligent than most of these pastors, that's all.
No point spiritualising everything

asuustrike2009:
No freeze isn't right about tithe and first fruit at all. He only post those statement out of spit.

Freeze has been asking the question where in the bible were christians compelled to pay tithe was any pastor able to answer that?

Alliance01:
I don't want us to complicate the whole issue bro, this is simple and let's pick it one by one, firstly from ur own understanding what is a soul and what is a spirit?

Because the way God view somethings is different from the way man view them.

Category1: HOW MAN SHOULD VIEW THIS
The soul is human body controlled by his mind. That is, every human being or everybody is a soul.
Soul=body=mind=the human.

Now, God is spirit.

The soul which is the human, have spirit(or Holy spirit in the case of a christian) which do not show physically or manifest in any form .That means the soul or human or his mind, is not the spirit in him and the spirit in him is not the soul or the person or his mind.
Let's apply this in a situation for proper understanding.
In a situation were the person have exam to write, who is doing the reading?
Is it his soul or his mind that is doing the reading or his spirit that is doing the reading?
Certainly it is his soul or his mind or body that is doing the reading not his spirit. If he fails to read the holy spirit in him cannot help him to pass no matter how hard he prays, God who is spirit will just be looking at him.
The same thing applies to a situation were the person needs financial breakthrough. He need to work.

Category 2: HOW GOD VIEWS THIS.
I think this is what the OP is trying to explain, you are right. Only that you were mixing up some elements of category 1 with that of category 2, which have confused so many christians.

To God, the Soul is the human spirit (or holy spirit if he is a christian) in him.
Soul=spirit
However, God is not interested in the human body or mind. Flesh and blood cannot please God, because God is spirit.
This implies that God is interested in saving the spirit of the soul(what God sees as the soul)from dying with the body the day the person dies.
Because in category 1 above, death was the product of the mind and the body in the first place.
It took the mind and body which is the soul known as Adam to sin.

Ferisidowu:
Lolz Nigerian churches oo

Maybe those white garment people

lol
All of them including catholic.
White garment is the worst

Alliance01:
Mankind is a spirit, he possesses a soul and he -his soul and spirit, lives in a body. You are not your body - the physical appearance, you are a spirit being. Soul and spirit has been used interchangeable
ly but they are very distinct. Your soul is your mind, your will, your emotions, your thinker. When you die your spirit and soul will go with you and leave your body behind. By nature the spirit that we were born with our default spirit - human spirit/ spirit of Adam, is a weak and a defeated spirit as a matter of fact the human spirit is dead to God (Colossians 2:13 ). Remember Adam and Eve were deceived by the devil and ever since the human spirit has been dead to God. So what happens when someone becomes a true Christian - born again. The born again experience will only impact your spirit - the dead spirit. God sends his spirit - Holy spirit, through Christ to you and replaces it with the dead spirit. The spirit which God has given you transforms your soul - REGENERATION. This is done completely outside your own human effort - self righteousness. For the spirit to thrive and work hand in hand with your soul, it needs to be fed the word of God continually - everyday, reading and meditating on the word of God and listening to biblical messages (Roman 12:2). Is it possible for one to have this spirit and not manifest in ones life? YES. Through starvation or quenching - failure to renew our mind with the word of God. Can attending all church programs and crusades make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Can reading the Bible make you have the Spirit of God? NO. Is it possible for someone attending Church since childhood not have the Spirit of God? YES.
Is it possible to engage in church activities and not have the Spirit of God? YES.
So how can one receive the Spirit of God ? Topic for another day

These whole thing is mixed up man.
Saying we are spirits or soul is God's stand point of view because God is spirit.
Although humans also view themselves as souls, for instance I'm a soul, humans were not suppose to view themselves as spirits, a lot of christians out of this ambiguity mistakenly dim it fit to view themselves as spirits with special powers to pray.
They will read this your post and be happy, not knowing there are mixed up somewhere in this kinda message commonly preached in churches to make people happy and pay tithe to pastors and pastors are becoming rich meanwhile they are paying they are not learning.
The ambiguity lies in the word soul, in that, God sees us as soul, humans also sees themselves as souls but humans cannot see themselves as spirits.
So, the words spirits and souls can only be used interchangeably where God is talking, not man.

The implication of this ambiguity is that, a lot of christians believing that they are spirits and not understanding what they are doing,will not want to work but keep seeking spiritual remedy to their breakthrough, so you keep seeing them in church.

Ferisidowu:
really?

lol,
Don't get me wrong, all I'm saying is shouting hallelujah 365 times is ritualism in church. Anyway, rituals have no effects or cause

OLAADEGBU:
God created Dinosaurs (Job 40:15-24).

Perfect research

Ferisidowu:
this one weak me o

To me, it seems badoo cult group have started their rituals of shouting 365 hallelujah, not necessary for anything in christianity

jeruzi:
The General Oversea sorry, leader of the free the sheep movement has become so vocal againt men of God.
Freeze has condemned so many things in the Church, stating that they are wrong from tithe, to giving to pastors, to gathering together, to stating that love is all you need to make heaven, he forgot or doesn't know or maybe has ceased to believe that one needs to confess Jesus as personal Lord and Saviour.
Not just these, he went further to condemn Church reaching out to the world by having branches there, a thing Jesus commanded and the apostles did.
The truth is that the smallest doctrine of daddy freeze (leaven) is dangerous to any believer.

He has through subtle means deceived many just has the serpent deceived Eve.
Lie + Truth=Deception
The Scripture has it in Jude1:8-16
16. These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lust; and they mount great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.
Only those that want to be deceived will allow it until they are taken away.

We understand where freeze is not getting it right. That love takes you to heaven. Other pastors erroneously preach that too. But that not withstanding, freeze is absolutely right about the tithe and first fruit thing.
Learn from both sides that's my advice

jdluv:
this freeze should better watch out heis runin low on grace and mercy....Sins against the holyspirit

Don't deceived, no christian sin against the holy spirit no matter what he does. To sin against the holy spirit entails that one refuses to believe in Christ.
Freeze has believed, therefore he cannot possibly sin against the holy spirit.
The same thing applies to pastors. No matter the evil they commit no one can say they have sinned against the holy spirit.

How about the ones he prophecied 2017. Did they come to pass?

denisbid:
lol ,
It's ok,
Let's stop the insult.
I'm a member of winners chapel that's why i followed the thread. whatever oyedepo said in his prophecies or any pastor i think they had good intention.

No doubt, they all had and will continue to have good intentions.
But having good intentions and praying good prayers is not enough.
Good intentions and prayers are like wishing that Nigeria should turn to America over night, corruption and poverty should be eliminated at once. Then, everyone will shout AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!

things don't work that way my brother

denisbid:
From what he posted, he is on the opinion that Oyedepo's prophesies are fake or unrealistic,I think that was not an insult,He didn't say oyedepo was stupid or something.

Thank you very much bro!!
I think that Guy has a mental problem
Even if I insulted oyedepo, as someone who is reasonable. The first thing he should have done is to ask, why did you insult him?
If I do not come out with a very good reason for insulting oyedepo, that is when he should have started insulting me too.
But I never insulted oyedepo thank God you noticed it. I only said what I observed, that oyedepo should be realistic with his prophecies and i explained why I said so. If he never understood my reasons and explanations and he is insulting me, that's a sign that he has been defeated.
He does not have any argument to make but exposing his foolishness by insulting

Why should i start insulting oyedepo in the first place?, do i have any business with him only that he should preach the truth?

Macmoni:
condom could hv averted ur stupidity
diz pig plx go And check d definition of prophecy
idiot b4 u open ur rotten mouth
plz Cop grass if u dnt no wat tu say idiot asif i was not in d cross ova nite
h.i.v kill u there

You dey find person were you won dey exchange insult with,to satisfy your frustration?
e be like say you nor get handwork, your work na to dey insult people.

I have marked your user name.
I don't have time for people like you
If dem send you come go tell dem say you nor see

I'm done!!!

Macmoni:
ur case is highly spiritual
is only a fool dat will type diz crap thinking hiz wise if dem live u naw u go tink say u get sense
ode!
ur stupid brain shuld tell u his praying not prophecy

You are a big fool for saying Oyedepo is not prophesying. Now I know that you are a very confused human being.
See your face like tomatoes.

What is the topic of this thread?
Is it not Bishop David Oyedepo PROPHECIES for 2018?

When someone is prophesying through prayer is it not the same thing as he is praying.
Whether he was praying or prophesying it's still the same thing.

Bush maggot like you.
Common get out of here! !!!

Ewu!!

Macmoni:
ayah!
dis one is finished after typing diz poop
i just discovered i was quoting a slowpoke
idiot were is d truth in dat crap u typed
#didirin!

Black monkey
You want to see the truth?
I will say it again, only that you have to use your brain to think and understand. In a case where monkeys have brain.
Because, anything that has to do with religion una go put una brain for inside shoe, una nor won know

Let's take the no 1 prophecy as a case study.
Bishop oyedepo says that

(I quote) very day of 2018 shall be Christmas for you
There shall be no mourning in your family all through 2018

I wish that good promises like these should go to all his followers listening to him. But this is not realistic like i said.

It is not possible that everyday of 2018 will be Christmas for all winners members listening to him, yet everyone are shouting amen including those that will be bankrupt
It is not possible that there will be no mourning in the family of every winners members in 2018,yet those that will loose their love ones are included among those that are shouting Amen!

Infact one winners member has died somewhere today, another will die next week or next month. It's a natural occurence by chance

With this, the prophecy is already a failed one.

So, if oyedepo must come up with prophecies for the year, let him put certain things into consideration and say things that are realistic.

It is not everyone that is so dull that will see sense in those probabilities he presented as prophecies.

How long shall Nigerians continue to remain like this intellectually?

Now you judge for yourself and give me just one objective explanation why these prophecies are not false.
Leave religious sentiments aside

daramolaj1:
Idiot , where you see promise in all this now? receive knowledge olodo...

Bishop oyedepo says that

(I quote) very day of 2018 shall be Christmas for you
There shall be no mourning in your family all through 2018

Is this not a good promise?

Define the word PROMISE from your English dictionary or you go school at all?

OLAADEGBU:
Here is a thread showing the google map or is it a plan of Covenant University? How will you interprete those designs?

https://www.nairaland.com/131170/need-sketchy-plan-covenant-university

The whole thing looks demonic!!
These God of men, what are they up to

Macmoni:
na new yr and u still neva get sense

If to say you get sense you for know say nor be until new year person go dey change for better, you fit change for better anyday.
For me, truth is spoken anyday, anytime. Not until new year.
Mumu

Small small children were them don blow but still get small pikin brain.
Who you defraud?
You nor fit talk..

My friend SARS nor need you.

Nedfed:
Bros pack well
Ur case need proper spiritual attention

Bros, your case need proper education.
Bible, you nor dey read.
Commot for road make i see others talking.
Mumu