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Diesel1:
He didn't wish her death, he just prophesied exactly what he saw

Why will he see and prophesy that?
What's her crime to deserve death?

shadeyinka:
It is obvious you neither read my previous post nor even comprehend this.

The question first is what is generational curse?
Any negative attribute inherited by a person because he descends from a cursed lineage.

Example:
Albinism, Dwarfism, Sickle Cell anaemia etc
You will agree with me that these are all inherited from ones generation past. Are they blessings?
No!
So they are curses inherited from ones lineage!

Did Jesus wipe this out?

Certainly not!

Salvation is the DELIVERANCE of ones Spirit from the Curse of Death (and their are some other fringe benefits). But Salvation dosnt include deliverance of the Body or Soul.

Deliverance of the Body is HEALING!
By conscious effort, even though it has been paid for, we have to possess it.(Is any sick amongst you, let him pray..)

Deliverance of the Soul is our Character!
By the Word of God, we renew our mind. We are commanded to be filled with the Holy Spirit so that we would not fulfill the desires of the flesh.

I hope you understand my point of view..

Note:
Any Christian bwho has ever been opportuned to be used to conduct deliverance know that Generational curses exist and can be broken by the afflicted (if he knows his right in Christ)

Most Christians who argue in the contrary usually has never conducted a deliverance session for anybody.

Leave that Op to keep talking in ignorance, He has no sense of accuracy.
He cannot possibly know albinism, dwartism, sickle cell, etc what they are
He did not go to school to that extent.
That's the problem we have in this country, it is people who never learned that are mounting the pulpit preaching and cancelling billions of Nigerians, that's why we will remain a corrupt nation.
And the government sees this error as a sacrosanct and cannot do anything about it.
It's a pity.

JesusSonOfGod:
No one is born free from curses until you become born again. This curses started from Adam down and when you become born again you are disconnected from it and connected to Christ.

How then do you resist the devil if not by faith on the word of God. Faith on the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ. The devil did all he could to stop Jesus, he could not, so now he wants you to think Jesus didn't do enough for you. Jesus is the Son of God oh, He's God the Son and He humbled Himself and took the body of man so he will be sacrificed for our sins and you think His blood didn't do enough. Pray for understanding.

BIG LIE!
lair.
God did not create anyone coursed

Generational course do not exist, they are all excuses for failures

You Africans Una ignorance do reach heaven. God don tire for Una case

After organising this race what will then happen, will it help any youth morally?

Who send Una go meet mad man,
Na so we dey arrange am?

greatnaija01:
so the father of abraham whom abraham worked for didnt pay his own tithe abi?

the way some of you think, its like you are the ones who INVENTED new age truth... BUT those of us who pay tithe are not COMPLAINING... so give it a rest.

How will you complain when you are unknowingly suffering and smiling?
Understand this truth, christians were not suppose to emulate Abraham for anything other than keeping the commandments of love your neighbors as yourself.
Jesus says the least person in Gods kingdom is greater than Abraham.
So, Abraham should be the one emulating what you do, not you emulating what Abraham did.
Infact, Abraham wished in his life time to be like you.

greatnaija01:
pls SCHOOL FEES is a FEE...... pocket money is not school fees. I paid my tithe from pocket money and no one forced me to.


get that straight into your head. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE PAYS TITHE FROM SCHOOL FEES

Pocket money that you didn't work for, even after your parents who provided your pocket money have paid tithe, you are helping them to pay the second time?
What word should i use to describe you now

You will never see or here any pastor saying students should not pay tithe from their school fees as students who ignorantly paid were never rejected by pastors.
Infact, Pastors not emphasizing that paying tithe from school fees is wrong, is a sign that tithe itself in all churches are fraudulent

Wait o,
Is it not these same churches years back preaches that the internet was mark 666 or sign of end time?

How come they are now using it today?

Acidosis:
Control your jealousy freeze


What you have written up there is the lamest lines I've ever seen since this jet controversy began.


The man said he has been riding private jet before you went to school so what more do you want to hear?

Without tithe money oyedepo is a poor man,
Tithe is fraudulent distortion of church members most of which are draining into poverty day by day and this man is still distorting without conscience. How can anyone in his right senses is jealous of yahoo ?

Daviddson:
Jesus made that statement as a shadow of things to come. No singular scripture stand in isolation. You can find at least one or more scriptures to corroborate it. Peter also made mention of that term and that was after Jesus Christ had died and resurrected:
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again , not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

No singular scripture stand in isolation, that's very true. That means there is need to compare and contrast scriptural phrases that are similar to find out whether they mean the same thing.
The usage of the phrase BORN AGAIN by Jesus to Nicodemus in John 3:3 do not have the same meaning with the same phrase BORN AGAIN used in 1 Peter 1:23. I will tell you why.

1 Peter 1:23. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

This refers to christians(everyone who believe in Christ at the time after his resurrection) that they are incorruptible(meaning they will not see death but will be resurrected just as Christ was resurrected.
Now, if this what born again means then everyone in christianity are qualified to be called born again irrespective of their sin status.

However, if the phrase BORN AGAIN strictly refers to what Jesus was trying to explain to Nicodemus what he meant by born again, then no one in christianity should be degraded that low to be called born again.

Because when you look at what Jesus meant by born again, he referred to people before he was crucified, these people never had salvation but they were just following him. Many of them ran away when it was time for Jesus to be crucified.

John 3:7 marvel not that i say you should be born again( meaning, let me explain what i mean by born again)

Verse 8 is a parable
8. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou(Nicodemus) hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

This is what the parable means :

The wind there refers to Jesus disciples following him at that time. Nicodemus heard about and saw people following Jesus but he could not tell where they were coming from and where they are going to(Even though they were following Jesus to Jerusalem where he was to be crucified).
Then he added, so is everyone that is born again (meaning Jesus followers or disciples as at the time before his resurrection were the born again).

Now take note of the difference

1. Born again in 1 Peter 1:23 refers to people who believe in Christ who were already saved after Jesus had been resurrected. Today christians are included here

2. Born again in John 3:3 refers to people who initially believe, but later disbelieve and were never saved because many of them ran away before Jesus was crucified.

I for one, as a Christian i don't classify myself into the second category but the first one, I'm not a perfect human either, i still consciously commit sin, Therefore born again do not exist in christianity in the real sense.

Daviddson:
Read what you just typed and tell me if you really made any point.

The point is, born again was never christianity.
Jesus was not yet crucified as at the time he met Nicodemus so there was no christianity or salvation then.
Having said born again is not christianity, it is therefore ignorance that lead some spiritually minded today christians creating distinction by calling themselves born again, boasting that they are more righteous than some set of other christians who are not religious people like them.
Boasting is not good.
Christianity is one religion and everyone are one in Christ irrespective of their sin level or righteousness level. No one is righteous than the other before God .

Now, think about it

Daviddson:
Read what you just typed and tell me if you really made any point.

The point

Daviddson:
Jesus Christ Himself said: "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
Please bring another argument.

Wrong!
He says, except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.
That means born again was a means to the kingdom.
Born again first, the next is the kingdom.
After getting the kingdom do you need born again, again?
We throw away the born again and enjoy the kingdom.
Pls let BBN christians enjoy their lives, they don't need born again, they have Christ already in them

One comment says they don't fall under anointing too.
They don't close their eyes and pray during prayers,
They don't shout Amen to adeboles prophecies, yet they go home with money.
They play music at the background during pastors messages not listening at all.
They are admired by beautiful choir girls, them collect their share.
Me I be Instrumentalist for life ,i nor dey dull myself

Daviddson:
There's a world of difference between a Christian and a born again Christian. If you didn't know before now, you now know.

A christian is a christian just like a Muslim is a Muslim. Nothing like born again in christianity

Ofcourse yes!
He can participate, nothing is wrong with that

realmindz:
coming from an arrogant man who slapped a witch, guess the holy spirit in him did not let him realise he was slapping an innocent girl that had poor English understanding

Oyedepo has successfully scammed this generation, he has ridden the gullible far more than a donkey.

Best scam business in which the victims worship their scammer. What a shame on a generation..

Shame on you all worshiping this man, sometimes in the future, a wiser generation shall laugh at your gullibility and extreme foolishness..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDwRmV8uj-M

Till today as we are talking the man has not apologize for slapping a minor and accusing her of witchcraft, What a shame.

SammieJayh:
Yes...unilag already had a record... And MAULAG wouldn't have sounded too good...
Buhari should try renaming UNN or UI and see the reactions

You mean, Mauloo lag is not good?
So you don't want to graduate as mauloo, what's your problem?

Reminez:
If you and your kind don't like it , then protest. Why come here to rant
By the way, you can't compare UNILAG, a first generation university with all the history and heritage with some obscure glorified kindergarten somewhere in poto poto land.

Lagos and unilag is what it is today because Lord lugard relocated the nations capital from calabar to Lagos. If not, ijebu ode would have been developed than the region known as Lagos today.
Don't be too proud to call other places poto poto D

Biggie225:
Igbos are intelligent people. They understand situations accurately unlike yorubas.

Yorubas are so full of themselves with tradition such that they cannot distinguish what is bad from their good traditions. that's their problem.

delexy123:
Be reminded that all that goes to church aren't Christians ,therefore, a pastor making altar call on pulpit isn't wrong ,rather, it is your assumption that is wrong. When Christ said it is finished, it does mean the sin in the world has cease to be, rather, the daily sacrifice of lamb for the remission of sin is no longer needed. One who calls himself a Christian while living a life of sin is deluded and must be warn of the danger of hell instead of being pat in the back even if he sees it as threat...

When we talk it has been difficult for people to understand us just like it was difficult for people to understand Jesus Christ and even Paul in the bible. It is difficulty of people not understanding scriptures that today pastors are perching on to take advantage on innocent christians.
The message I'm telling you now is, your salvation lies only in your believe in Christ.
Not by your works or how good or bad you live your life.
So it is very wrong to say that christians who commit sin will go to hell fire, why was Christ crucified in the first place?
I'm not encouraging sin, God forbid! every sin we commit we will face the consequence here on earth just like anyone else. And the truth is, no one has ever lived his life without being sinful, therefore no one has lived his life without seeing sorrows.
That's why we solely depend on him for our salvation.
The salvation he gave to us is for our eternal life not to end our sorrows and problems. If we want our problems to be solved then we have to limit the sins we commit through repentance.

Kumuyi and Nigerian pastors who bash sinful christians with threats of hell are not even perfect humans. If it is by what they preach then they are heading to hell too. But thank God it's through Christ so no one is going to hell.
Therefore, they should focus on messages that will improve intellectual development and happiness of people rather than promoting unnecessary traditional fear

delexy123:
Your assumption that everyone that goes to church is a Christian is wrong. Some may profess to be Christians but that doesn't make them one. Jesus Christ himself said not everyone that calls his name shall make heaven (Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven)

Jesus in Matthew 7:21 meant that not all his disciples who followed him and called him lord lord will end up entering the kingdom.
And truly, out of the about 5000 disciples who followed him and eat five loaves and two fishes, only few of them ended up seeing the kingdom of heaven(only 120 of them. Act1:15). Therefore, the saying that few will enter into the kingdom has come and pass, we are far beyond that era now. Our current day reality as christians are not be compared to what happened to the disciples who followed Jesus before he was crucified, we are far better and reprinting God's kingdom here on earth. So let no one read scriptures and start labeling you candidate of hell fire, it's wrong.

Again, what I'm saying is not assumption,
It is what the bible says.
As many that believed are saved.
Everyone who go to church plus christians who don't go to church at all, have all believed that Jesus is the Christ. They are all saved like that.

John 3:16...whosever believed should not perish but have eternal life.

Whoever profess to be christian the highest we can do is to take them by their word, cos

....with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

we are not to argue with them that they professing christianity is not true.
Infact, we should be happy that atleast they profess.

delexy123:
Do you believe hell is real? If yes then someone warning you about the danger of hell isn't putting fear in your heart ,rather, he is reminding you about its reality. If Jesus could warn his disciples about hell (see Matthew 25vs 31 - 46) then, there is no reason to fault any preacher for issuing the same warning to his congregation. To be frank, some church goers only want to hear soothing message about God's mercy but any one that make reference to God's Justice seems like a threat to them because deep down they know their heart is not right with God. Shalom

Hell is real,
That's true.
But all I'm saying is hell is not for any christian.

And pastors making alter calls on pulpits is wrong. It seems they are not recognizing what Christ did on the cross when he said IT IS FINISH. They want to do their own.
They should channel the call to Muslims or non christians instead

delexy123:
Be reminded that parables are earthly stories with spiritual interpretation. Now when Jesus mentioned sheep and goats he wasn't telling a story ,rather, he was simply stating the reality of what will happen to the righteous and the unrighteous on the day of reckoning. Yes his messages here can be extended to all and sundry BUT that does not negate the fact that he was talking to his disciple. Reading from Matthew 24 vs 1 shows he was replying the question posed by his disciples(Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.)...Again I still see no reason to fault a preacher for warning his congregation about the dangers of hell when Jesus himself did the same. Shalom

His congregation are all christians or believers .They have believed and are saved already therefore the warning is not necessary.
The warning should be channelled to Muslims or people of religions other than christianity.
As many that believed he gave them power to become...

Yes, it is true that he was talking to his disciples taking it from Matthew 24 but the people he referred to as THE RIGHTEOUS were not his disciples but the Jews and their leaders or Pharisees who refused to believe that he was the coming Messiah at the time.
These Jews regarded themselves as RIGHTEOUS over other tribes or gentiles because they had the law from Moses.
So, the question i asked, who were the sheep and who were the goats?
The sheep were the disciples who some of them eventually became christians when Jesus died and resurrected
The goats were the Jews who never became christians. They refused to believe that Jesus was the coming Messiah but remain in their Jewish religion or Judaism, these were the people Jesus referred to people having their part in the lake of fire simply because they refused to believe, not christians.
The bottomline is, we are saved by our religion or faith, without faith it is impossible to please God.
Therefore it is very wrong to threaten christians or people of the christian faith with hell fire like kumuyi and pastors are currently doing today.
There is nothing spiritual there to understand only that your pastors have failed to research this.

Omooba77:
Many atimes we Christain underate the power and potency of prayer. Jesus said, men should always pray without fainting. Paul also told us to pray without ceasing.
Nowadays many of us Christains dont pray as we ought, forget our weapons are not canal but might through God.
Even when you feel, God is slow in answering continue praying; answers will surely come because God do answer and all flesh must come to him, Psalm 65:2

Have a blessed Sunday Sirs and Mas!

My sister or brother prayer is not a vocal thing.
Prayer is simply doing what is right and move on .
All those shouts or casting or binding people do in church or elsewhere is not prayer, they are eye services to please people, God don't listen to all that.
What God listen to is, He gives instruction and you do it, that's all.

All these prayer where them dey pray since, wetin done happen?
Nothing!
Make Adeboye go sleep.
All the amount where FG they spend for internal security Fulani herdsmen still dey kill people, is that not corruption?
Buhari come into power 2015 since that time there was recession. Pastors conducts fasting upon fasting, prayer upon prayer, yet no head way.
Is that how God works?
I don't think so

lloyds:
Pastor Adeboye is a man of grace, God has helped him. He is the most successful pastor in Africa, if not the world in this generation.

He has displayed good level of humility and Godly character in his discharges.

Critics should try and lead a house fellowship cell of few people, and you will know how it is to lead people.

Glory to God for his life.

A successful pastor is one who inculcate intelligence to his church members, not the ones who is feeding fat on the ignorance of his people

There is no successful pastor in a nation like Nigeria where half of the people are living below poverty line, lack access to quality education and are highly religious people.
So, if youths are celebrating his birthday for that long it shows how jobless and myopic they are, such youth are not worthy to be leaders that's why politicians cannot pave way for the youths to assume political positions.

delexy123:
Well...there are untruths in your comments and I was compelled to reply... You say education is all encompassing( That literally means it is beyond what is being learnt behind the four walls of the school) yet you berate school of theology, workers training etc. FYI, studying in a university doesn't immune you from being ignorant in other aspects of life for instance, a successful medical doctor may have no idea how on to balance a ledger book......By the way, @ the 70%ish...where did you pull out that statistics from? I need the source to take you serious...what you've written up there remains your own hole riddled opinions and shouldn't be taken as facts until you provide the source of that ridiculous statistics...

That's true, studying in the university does not immune you from being ignorant in other aspect of life. What i meant was that university education will give you a better edge to understand your area of interest.
If your interest is theology or workers training or whatever then you should understand the area of your interest as someone who has gone to the university, not as the the general believes developed by conventional theology .
When that happens you will surely be at variance.
But kumuyi is not at variance,
Without doing any research he teaches what everyone in Nigeria want to hear.
Rapture, hell fire, end time .
Therefore how can the people have a change of mindset for the better?

You know Nigerians like fear and fiction a lot?
Check our home videos or movies now, fear, spiritual threats and fiction are all traditional things

delexy123:
Hmmm...If here in Matthew 25 Jesus can warn his disciples (these were his chosen followers) on the danger of hell then I no reason to fault the pastor for doing the same (See Mathew Ch 24 where he was only with his disciples under the Olive tree)...By the way,Jesus words before his death on the cross are as important as those after his crucifixion so suggesting it holds no weight on the lives of today's Christians shows how warped your take on Christianity is...

I told you the warning was not for his disciples.
Now read Matthew 25 from verse 31 down. Read it again from where Jesus was saying in parables he shall come down with his glory, he shall seperate the sheep from the goats.
In that parable who were the sheep and who were the goats?
I'm asking you, i need answers.
If you know who were the sheep and who were the goats from the stand point of what Jesus was trying to explain here(not from what we think after reading) then you should know that the warning was not for the sheep, it was for the goats.

That is what kumuyi has failed to explain over the years.
Like i said it's all about educating people of the bible and not using bible to play religion. Education brings knowledge which in turn brings freedom.
And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free