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luvmijeje:
Paxonel


I'm so happy that you don't belong to any church. I'm also happy you're just an entertainer. May God bless your entertainment ministry.

Thanks

luvmijeje:
Okayyyyy.. .. .. .. I've more questions.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Appearance of Christ in heaven means the resurrection of Christ and the kingdom of God signify the practice of Christianity.

1. But what does Jesus mean when he said, all the tribes of the earth shall see the son of man coming?

2. When Jesus died and resurrected was it recorded anywhere in the Bible that all the tribe of the earth saw him?

3. Who were the people that saw him?

4. If the disciples were not yet a Christian what were they?

5. Define Christianity?


31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


6. When Jesus resurrected, was it recorded in the Bible that there was a great sound of trumpet?

7. If the practice of Christianity signify that rapture have taken place, how come we are not yet gathered in one place?

8. What's the name of your church?

Was it recorded that there was great sound of trumpet when he resurrected?
NO!!!
It was after the resurrection that he started gathering his elects (not necessarily by means of trumpet but by means of people preaching) at the day of Pentecost starting with 120 believers act 1:15.
Today he has gathered billions of people from the 4 corners(all nations) of the earth to be Christians.
7. How come we have not gathered? You are asking this question because you are yet to know that we are already gathered. Billions of christians are still asking this question,Hence, they are waiting.
they will keep waiting until they know the truth someday and be free.
The point is, we still do not know what Jesus did for us on top of our religioness and church going.
We were translated back to the state where God created Adam and Eve without death and sin, and mandate remains, BE FRUIT AND MULTIPLY AND REPLENISH THIS EARTH and not to be raptured to anywhere.
White men are developing their world, if you have travelled before, various technology have been invented, life is sweet!
And Africa is still lagging behind.
Why?
We don't take education seriously.
8.what is the name of my church? I belong to the kingdom of God. Catholic, Protestants, winners, redeem, deeper life, alladura, cele, .
So long it is church.
I'm not a pastor, I'm entertainer, don't want to mention

luvmijeje:
Okayyyyy.. .. .. .. I've more questions.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Appearance of Christ in heaven means the resurrection of Christ and the kingdom of God signify the practice of Christianity.

1. But what does Jesus mean when he said, all the tribes of the earth shall see the son of man coming?

2. When Jesus died and resurrected was it recorded anywhere in the Bible that all the tribe of the earth saw him?

3. Who were the people that saw him?

4. If the disciples were not yet a Christian what were they?

5. Define Christianity?


31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


6. When Jesus resurrected, was it recorded in the Bible that there was a great sound of trumpet?

7. If the practice of Christianity signify that rapture have taken place, how come we are not yet gathered in one place?

8. What's the name of your church?

Intelligent questions!!!
1. What does Jesus meant by all tribes of the earth shall see him coming? He meant, all tribes of the earth shall see Christianity coming the day he will resurrect with power and glory!
2.was all tribes there when he resurrected?
No!
3. Few people among his disciples saw him after he resurrected. Therefore, the saying that few people will enter the kingdom of God has come to pass. But that few christians has grown to what is known as the biggest religion today, after 2000 years.
Now,google it!
What religion of the world has the highest adherents?
Now doubt, Christianity!
Hence,the parable of the mustard seed has come to pass.right now, all tribes of the earth are mourning. Do you know what it means to be born and groomed in a religion only to realize someday that, that religion is not the way?
Jesus says I am the way..
Just like moses lifted up the serpant in the wilderness, so shall the son of man(Christianity) be lifted.
Because Jesus founded the Christian faith.
Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
So, when Jesus was saying all tribes of the earth shall see him, he literally and prophetically meant all tribes of the earth shall hear about Christianity, today very few nations have not heard about Christianity.
4. The disciples were not yet christians until Jesus died and resurrected. Most of them followed him because of the miracles but later ran away when he was about to be crucified. Some of the 12 disciples were converted to follow him by John the Baptist who never saw Christianity before he died, so they were like a transition between Judaism(old covenant)to Christianity(new covenant).
So the least person in Christianity is greater than them and John the Baptist and all the prophets of old.
5.Define Christianity? Christianity is simply the faith Jesus established here on earth. It did not start at Antioch o, it only got the name Christianity at Antioch. it started at the day of Pentecost with just 120 disciples. Act 1:15.

luvmijeje:
Okayyyyy... .. . I've heard you. But Jesus himself said in Matt 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Was Jesus lying?

No! He was not lying, he was saying something entirely different from what we current day Christians think as rapture.
Questions we should ask when reading scriptures like these are :
1.To whom was Jesus talking to?
Ans:To his disciples who were not yet Christians because the kingdom of God was not established on earth as at that time.
2.when did he made the statement?
Ans:shortly before he was crucified, before the kingdom was established.
3.What was he talking about?
Ans:He was specifically talking about his crucifixion and resurrection which is actually his power and glory signifying the kingdom of God here on earth(THE WORD CLOUDS SIGNIFIES THE CLORY OF GOD HERE ON EARTH WHICH IS THIS SAME CHRISTIANITY ESTABLISHED BY JESUS THE DAY HE RESURECTED, NOT RAPTURE!!)
Remember he was making this statements shorty before he was crucified. And that crucifixion brought salvation which is the Christian religion we are practicing today.
Do you now see the correlation?
If you think properly you will understand.
Unfortunately, we Africans don't think.
Anything we pastor talk for church na we dey swallow, so te our neck don hook

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Some of these smart phones that comes with android 6.0 versions can be so problematic.
You will see applications demanding permission from the user before they can be used, some of which the process of granting these permission are so complicated to the user to understand. So the usage of these applications are restricted.
Please, has anyone using android 6.0 encounted any problem like that? Please help us throw some light on how to resolve it.
Thanks

luvmijeje:
Heresy! Oga mentioned the several scriptures.

I just quoted revelation 11:15 and you called the scripture heresy without explaining why it is heresy oga.
Now you are demanding for others simply because i say there are others.
Do you know why Jesus was killed? It's because, all what he was saying using parables were considered heresy by majority of people of those days .
This means, the general doctrines or opinion accepted by most people are not necessarily true. Example is the rapture doctrine.
Most people accept these doctrines because they were groomed from childhood like that by their parents and local churches to believe that the doctrines are true, not because they have personally done any research of the scripture to acertain the validity of what they believe.
Think about it

Jhaytee4all:
it's not threatening, it's getting you prepared for the kingdom of God. but, what will you say if it happened in your sight? i'm not assuring you, but Jesus is. he's coming like a thief in the night. a thousand years is like a day to him and a day like a thousand years. Christians are talking faith here, rather than belief.

We are all getting the bible wrong by some illiterate europian clergymen who came to do missionary work in Africa more than a century ago ,till this moment we are still having this wrong beliefs and waiting for rapture, meanwhile, England have understood that no rapture in bible and they have moved on. Today, their lives are better and Africans are still wallowing in ignorance and poverty.
Wake up brother, there is no such thing like rapture and end time.
Rather, Jesus says specifically that the kingdom of God has no end, so why the end time message claiming popularity among christians who were suppose to understand that ...
Revelation 11:15 says...
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Not that this world will become the kingdom of God in our future, such that we are waiting for rapture,
But this world is already the kingdom of God right now as we are talking.
There are several scriptures to prove this and no scripture has mentioned rapture.

Jhaytee4all:
They would say "there is God o" or they would want to kill themselves for not believing in the existence of God. as it says in Revelations 6. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.

what would you say if you are an atheist? Jesus foretells that; Matthew 24:21; For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
There will be troubles like neveer before after the rapture.the world war3 would take place.

wetin atheists go do na? you won't escape it.

op, you can see that rapture can no longer be used to threaten people because it is simply scam, why not start being realistic in your beliefs as a christian and take this life as your home?

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

There are people who were known to be strong-in-Faith in the past- but NOW their Faith can no longer do anything. the reasons for this are not obvious.

That is to say, the TRUE reasons. There are "USUAL SUSPECT" Reasons for "FAITH-FAILURE," which are immediately taken to be the cause namely SIN and UNBELIEF.

If those are eliminated, most people cannot "think outside the box" and come up with other reasons.

(1) UNFORGIVENESS.

[color=silver].[/color]   MARK 11:12-14, 20-26.

12. And on the morrow,
when they had come from Bethany,
he was hungry;
13. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves,
he went to see
if perhaps he might find
any thing thereon.
But when he came to it
he found nothing but leaves,
for the time for figs
was not yet.

14. And Jesus spoke
and said unto it,

“Let no man
eat fruit of thee hereafter
for ever.”

And His Disciples heard it.

20. And in the morning
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree
dried up from the roots.
21. And Peter calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

"Master, behold,
the fig tree which thou cursedst
is withered away."

22. And Jesus answering
saith unto him,

"Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I say unto you,

'THAT WHOSOEVER
SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,

"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU
CAST INTO THE SEA;"

AND SHALL NOT
DOUBT IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE
THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH
SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE
WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'

24. "Therefore I say unto you,

'WHAT THINGS SOEVER
YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE (THEM),
AND YE SHALL HAVE (THEM).'

25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have ought against any:
that your Father also,
Which is in Heaven
may forgive you your Trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your Trespasses."

THIS used to be an "obvious;" however, the prevalence of "VENGEANCE-PRAYING"  shows that this factor is largely forgotten. The Servant of Yahshua has no right to pray for others to come to harm.

What they have done to earn our "Righteous Wrath" is insignificant.

Unless you never Sinned your entire life, you have to forgive whoever offended you.

No "IFS," "ANDS," nor "BUTS."

(2) FAILURE TO INTERCEDE FOR ENEMIES AND STRANGERS.

[color=silver].[/color]   MATTHEW 5:38-48.

38. "Ye have heard that it hath been said,

'AN EYE FOR AN EYE,
AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'

39. "But I say unto you,

'THAT YE RESIST NOT EVIL:
BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL
SMITE THEE ON THY RIGHT CHEEK,
TURN TO HIM
THE OTHER ALSO.'

40. "And if any man will sue thee at The Law,
and take away thy coat,
let him have (thy) cloke also.
41. "And whosoever shall compel thee
to go a mile,
go with him twain.
42. "Give to him that asketh thee,
and from him that would borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43. "Ye have heard that it hath been said,

'THOU SHALT LOVE
THY NEIGHBOUR
AND HATE
THINE ENEMY.'

44. "But I say unto you,

'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU,
DO GOOD TO THEM
THAT HATE YOU,
AND PRAY FOR THEM
WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU
AND PERSECUTE YOU.'

45. "That ye may be
the Children of your Father
Which is in Heaven:
for He maketh His Sun
to rise on the Evil
and on the Good,
and sendeth Rain
on the Just
and on the Unjust.
46. "For if ye love them
which love you,
what Reward have ye?
Do not even the Publicans
the same?
47. "And if ye salute
your Brethren only,
what do ye more (than others)
Do not even the Publicans so?
48. "Be ye therefore Perfect,
even as your Father
Which is in Heaven
is Perfect."

Prayer for people whom we LIKE is EASY.

However, we do not do it of our own FREE WILL.

Our AFFINITY FOR them MAKES us do things for them.

PRAYING FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT US IS HARD FOR THE HYPOCRITE.

A person who TRULY BELIEVES THE TRUE GOSPEL has NO PROBLEM doing THINGS THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND- just because they FEAR GOD. After they have OBEYED the incomprehensible Commandment, THEN Understanding comes.

But the HYPOCRITE has NO QUALMS about NOT PRAYING for their ENEMIES, nor for TOTAL STRANGERS.

Therefore, their WILLPOWER LEVEL is DICTATED by THE EARTH- that is, THE NATURAL.

It becomes USELESS for SUPERNATURAL Operations.

(3) "GRACE" DOCTRINE: IMAGINARY RIGHTEOUSNESS.

[color=silver].[/color]  JOHN 15:1-15.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is
The Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not fruit
He Taketh Away:
and every (branch)
that beareth fruit,
He Purgeth it,
that it may bring forth
more fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean
through The Word
which I have spoken
unto you.
4. "Abide in me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye,
except ye abide in me.
5. "I am The Vine,
ye are The Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME,
AND IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'

for without me
ye can do nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast (them) into The Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done
unto you.
8. "Herein is my Father Glorified,

'THAT YE BEAR MUCH FRUIT;'

so shall ye be my Disciples.
9. As the Father hath loved me,
so have I loved you:
continue ye in my Love.
10. "If ye keep my Commandments,
ye shall abide in my Love;
even as I have kept
my Father's Commandments,
and abide in his Love.
11. "These things
have I spoken unto you,
that my Joy might remain in you,
and that your Joy
might be full.
12. "This is my Commandment,

'THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER
AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.'

13. "Greater Love
hath no man than this,

'THAT A MAN
LAY DOWN HIS LIFE
FOR HIS FRIENDS.'

14. "Ye are my Friends,
if ye do whatsoever
I Command you.
15. "Henceforth I call you not Servants;
for the servant knoweth not
what his lord doeth:
but I have called you Friends;
for all things
that I have heard of my Father
I have made known
unto you."

There is NO SUCH THING AS "GRACE."

Anything you Pray for, or Command, you must EARN THE RIGHT TO RECEIVE.

"JESUS PAID IT ALL!" is a THEORY- which HE never preached, therefore it is NOT in The Gospel.

please faith is not to work miracles again in this modern day, faith is simply to believe in christ and be saved and go about your normal life and be free, what do you people want?
miracles?
una don die!
nothing will ever satisfy you people

UnchangeableGod:
With all repect sir, you typed utter RUBBISH.

Easy to say so without premises. It's confusing to you does not mean it is so to others. If I were you i will keep my cool because I don't understand. D

donnie:
You are no match for me and you talk of my Pastor?
Go to North Korea, India, pakistan or China and ask about Jesus. Even in Europe there are serious threats to the gospel. You sit here in Nigeria talking trash.

Besides, the fact that you listened to the message of Christ doesn't mean you HEARD that message. And even if heard it, there's need to hear it again and again cos as we do, our faith grows and we are built up, cleansed and purified again and again. THE GLORY IN HIS CHURCH IS CONSTANTLY INCREASING. This must continue till the rapture.The Lord is coming for a church with blemish, without spot, wrinkle or any such thing.

The kingdom of heaven is currently operating on earth through those whose work is towards the establishment of God's kingdom in the hearts of men. So from that standpoint, the work of true Christianity actually results in the expansion of the kingdom of heaven.

who is competing with you?
me?

i understand you people like competition in BLW a lot?
its not your fault
you dey make me laugh
i,m done

UnchangeableGod:
I am born again. Talk for yourself sir. No pastor is my model, only Christ is. John 3:3 refers to all men and women in all generations. Yes, there are multitudes that are commiting (terrible) sins including 'pastors' because they are not yet born again or are backslidden. If Jesus comes into your life, you will not struggle to please God. You will just be happy Christian. Try and see.

No, you are not born again.
Do you realize that there is time for everthing ?
The time before Jesus was crucified when Christianity was established. And the time before the crucifixion which was the old covenant?
Infact this was why he told his disciples strive to enter the gate of eternal life.
You are a Christian already in eternal life don't demote yourself to that level.
Jesus disciples who followed Jesus as at the time he was yet to be crucified were the people Jesus referred to as born again, they never had eternal life because he was yet to be crucified.
Among these people were Peter, Andrew, James and John, etc. Including John the Baptist who was killed and never saw Christianity and was not saved.
But today, we have seen Christianity, we are far better than them.
Jesus specifically says the least person in Christianity is greater than John the Baptist and all the prophets of the old, including Elijah.
Now,simply because these disciples were followers of Christ, today christians are now making that mistake trying to be like them, calling themselves born again
The truth is that, born again was another religion entirely, a transition between Judaism to Christianity.
Therefore, them nor reach.
Please study your bible o.
White men who brought Christianity to Africa know this truth.
Africans are just mumu

donnie:
Jesus (NOT Christianity) has been lifted up on the cross for our sin. He rose again for our justification and gave us the life of glory.

Pastors are not to preach Christianity or just repentance. They are to preach Jesus cos that's what the sinner needs.

The bolded is the result of your ignorance. Do not mistake Nigeria for the world. I've heard several of our CE missionaries who testified of people who have never heard the name Jesus in countries they went to.

One of them introduced herself as a "Pastor" and to her amazement, the man she spoke with asked, "what's Pastor"?

There is no nation in the world that currently do not heard about Christianity does not mean that there are no person that have not heard but it.
And you see where your pastors failed to educate you? That Jesus Christ and Christianity in the contest of salvation is one and the same thing. If you have done your research in the bible you see that Jesus live in us.
we are the representatives of Jesus here on earth.
As a matter of fact the kingdom of God right now on earth is Christianity if you understand Jesus parables. And that kingdom of God is Jesus Christ himself in us, what is known as God with us (Emmanuel).
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached is the same thing as saying this gospel of Christianity shall be preached.
Why?
Because Christianity started the period Jesus resurrected about 2000 years ago, with just 120 people at Pentecost.
Know the history of your religion, think and be free from pastors.
Note that he didn't say repentance shall be preached.
Rather this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached

UnchangeableGod:
Sir, if you were taught that anybody born into Christian home is a Christian, you were taught an error. Being born into a Christian home does not make one a Christian until such a one personally decides to repent and surrender his/her life to Christ. Every single human being born into this world, irrespective of where he/she was born or parentage was conceived and born with the depraved, adamic nature of sin (Psalms 51:5). As such, he or she remains a sinner until he/she is born again which is the same as conversion. If he/she dies without being born again, he will go to hell fire. Hope you understand sir?

Please there is nothing like born again.
Don't mind religion.
Everybody comit terrible sins including all prominent pastors nigerians regard as men of God
Do you realize born again in the bible is not a term for Christianity?
When you don't know you will keep struggling to live, we were suppose to enjoy our lives

donnie:
You're wrong. To be Lord of your life means he is master. He has the final say as to how you live your life. You are dead... now you no longer live for yourself but for Him (2Cor 5:14-15). Your thoughts, words, everything. He owns you, because you are not your own, you were bought with a price (1Cor 6:19-20).

That is not to say we do not have believers who are carnal and walking according to the flesh. But to be saved, you will have to accept Him as Lord and Master of your life.

We are still saying the same thing but in different ways.
To allow him to be Lord or master of our lives is the same thing as to believe and come into the faith first. At that point we are saved. Yes, we were saved to live our life for him by our thoughts, words. But even if we choose to do otherwise our salvation has already been given to us freely, hoping we will retrace our paths someday like the prodigal son.
we can be terrible people and suffering the consequences and keep learning gradually to do things right but our salvation is already assured because we have believed first.
Does that mean God condone sinfulness?
No!!!
Ofcourse he has the final say to how everybody live their lives whether you believe or not. Whether you are Muslim, athiest ,Hindu, christian or whatever religion, he has the final say to how you live your life. Karma visits everyone irrespective of their religion. This means, he is also Lord of everyone's life irrespective of who you are, but not to the extent of saving the individual when he dies until he abandons his home religion to join the Christian faith, for without faith it is impossible to please him.
The bible says, just like Moses lifted the serpent in the wilderness so shall the son of man be lifted.
Today, Christianity has been lifted, there is no nation in the world currently that has not heard about Christianity.
Unfortunately pastors are not preaching Christianity, they are preaching repentance.
They fail to realise that even Muslims do repent, but does that make them saved?
No!
So, we all have to join Christianity(assuming we were of other religions because Jesus is the only way) by believing that Jesus is the Christ, at that point we have made him lord and master of our lives and we are saved.
See, there is nothing special about our lives as christians from people of other religions. The only difference is that the day we die only christians will be resurrected

donnie:
It is one thing to believe (even devils believe so much so that they tremble) but it's another thing to let Him be Lord over your life.

Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

your statement LET HIM BE LORD OF YOUR LIFE do not reflect in the scripture you quoted, but TO BELIEVE ONLY.
obviously, To let him be lord of your life is one and the same thing as to believe.
Remember, Jesus says who is for me is not against me.
Therefore, you cannot say a person is not a Christian because he is a terrible person. He only know who a Christian is by his belief

UnchangeableGod:
Sir, I think you meddled things up here. Apparently, you did not read my post well on who is not yet a Christian and who actually is. Kindly read it again. Thanks.

Let me quote you,
You say,
A Christian is not one who was born by Christian parents, owns a Bible, identifies with a Church, goes by a Christian name, prays in the name of Christ or even preaches the gospel. No, not at all. It is a person who has come in contact with Christ's saving grace and his/her life has changed from a sinner to a saint. Nobody was born a Christian. So we all need conversion to become Christians.
And i say that to come in contact with Christ is the same thing as a Muslim converted into Christianity and anybody born into a Christian home remains a Christian until he is converted into other religion .

UnchangeableGod:
Please where did I suggest that we are saved by works? And where did I suggest that a Christian does not make mistakes? Where did I insinuate that a Christian should not be happy? My friend, this is not about Church belief, it is about the undiluted truth, the preserving truth, the Scriptures, about eternal life or eternal damnation. If I tell you otherwise, Iam a deceiver and would be held responsible for those my cheap doctrine deceived. If hell fire were for a hundred years, then we can afford to be presumptuous. Multitudes have been deceived and some died in sin as a result of false teachings. Thank God, you are still alive to receive the truth and benefit from it. Sir, the Christian life is not a struggle. Birds do not struggle to fly and fishes do not struggle to swim. Just sincerely repent and surrender your life to Christ. You will receive the grace to live the Christian life happily without struggles. God bless you sir.

Where did you suggest that we are saved by works?
By saying that not coming from a Christian home makes one a Christian but by Christians(people who are already convinced that Jesus is the Christ therefore they are already converted like that) being converted because we are all sinners and each need salvation from Christ.(meaning, we need Christ to save us by us, stop comit sin which translates to BY WORKS which is not possible).
let me tell you the truth!
Do you see the crowd of people at the crusade posted by the OP? every single one of them irrespective of who they are, are not Muslims or people of other religion, but Christians, that's why see them there in the meeting
They all believe that Jesus is the Christ that was slain 2000 years ago.
How come that among these same people, the convener or pastor is calling for people to come out to accept Christ?
Can't you smell the foul play there?
Something is terribly wrong with the kind of Christianity we practice here in Africa.
By extension, we are all infected as a nation.

donnie:
There is religion in christianity but Christianity is not a religion.

Just like there is a couch in your house but your house is not a couch.

Wrong concept!!!
It does not even apply in real life situation.
Jesus is the founder of the Christian religion we practice today yes or no?
The word FAITH in the new testament was specifically referred to religion. That we are saved by faith through Grace simply means that we are saved by our religion which was established by Jesus the day he resurrected, yes or no?
Let me shock you with a revelation, old testament was another religion entirely, new testament is the Christian religion. salvation started from new testament where everyone who believe are saved automatically.
You see all these pastors,they know these truth but they don't want to enlighten you so that you will not be free and stop serving them and their church.
So, you find yourself even attacking people when they criticize your pastor or church.
It's not like that o

UnchangeableGod:
So anyone who identifies with your Church program is automatically a Christian? I can see that you are now worth tutoring others! A Christian is not one who was born by Christian parents, owns a Bible, identifies with a Church, goes by a Christian name, prays in the name of Christ or even preaches the gospel. No, not at all. It is a person who has come in contact with Christ's saving grace and his/her life has changed from a sinner to a saint. Nobody was born a Christian. So we all need conversion to become Christians, not just those of other religions. We were all sinners and each need salvation from Christ. What a 'tutor' you are! Can the blind tutor the blind?

Seriously, if you continue with this kind of belief you will never see what the bible is trying to let you see.
Let's put church beliefs aside, we were all saved by grace through faith, not by any works. I really do not know what that means to you, to me it means i should just take advantage,go ahead and live my life happily today without the fears of my mistakes. For no one is above mistakes either
What's essence of religion without a happy life?

donnie:
Thank God you mentioned "religion". True Christianity is not a religion.

Who told you?
Why do you say so? Have you find out the true meaning of religion?

donnie:
Thousands receive Christ at the crusade organized by zone 2 Lagos.

They did not receive Christ. They are all Christians. It is when members of other religions are converted into Christianity that you can say that people have received Christ, not this one.
Can you now see where the deception is coming from?

Saintsammurai:
sorry but that is the simple truth..
A non Christian will not make heaven.

Point of correction, I know it can be difficult to understand but it's the truth
a non Christian is currently outside heaven but he is just living the normal life everybody lives. It's not a question of whether he will make heaven or not in the future. He faces judgement and go to hell the day he dies irrespective of what he has done.
It is appointed once for men to die, after that, judgement.
While a Christian is currently in heaven like this because heaven is not in the future anymore, heaven is right now. the day he dies he resurrect through the power of Jesus.
Is is the only difference between a christian and non Christian.
Every other thing is the same.

vargasvictory:
Now, this is a question that has given me a hard time solving. According to the doctrine, sinners and unrepentant unbelievers would be condemned.

Then, I've met many people from other religions with a good good heart, better than some Christians and I can't help but wonder what will happen to them

Guys, what'd you think?

cc: Lalasticlala

For you to get the right answer to your question, know exactly what this heaven is.
Are you still waiting for heaven or rapture?
We are already in heaven like this.
Go and enjoy your life.
We are not competing heaven with other religions everybody or religions are entitled to their own views it's a free world, we are the heaven Jesus was talking about in his parables. This is our view

I just buy a brand new injoo halo 2 but i can't switch off the bluetooth which is not allowing me to use my hotspot. Each time I try to switch it off the phone will boot itself without offing the bluetooth. It's crazy

[quote author=jayinfo2 post=56616645][/quote]See your Yoruba cap, no wonder
Sentiment of tradition

He has been a yoruba traditionalist who preach Yoruba tradition in his church instead of universal ethics, we are not supprise

Harbioye:
Praise be to Allaah.
Our beliefs concerning the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (Jesus the son of Mary – peace be upon him) are those indicated by the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of our Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

We believe that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) was one of the slaves of Allaah, and one of His noble Messengers. Allaah sent him to the Children of Israel to call them to believe in Allaah alone and worship Him alone.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’”

[al-Saff 61:6]

“But the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners (in worship) with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers”

[al-Maa’idah 5:72]

‘Eesa was not a god or the son of God as the Christians claim.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Surely, they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allaah is the Messiah [‘Eesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).’”

[al-Maa’idah 5:72]

“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!”

[al-Tawbah 9:30]

The first words that ‘Eesa spoke when Allaah caused him to speak when he was in the cradle were (interpretation of the meaning):

“He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a slave of Allaah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet’”

[Maryam 19:30]

We believe that Allaah supported him with miracles that proved he was speaking the truth.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“(Remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection). ‘O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with Rooh‑ul‑Qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, Al‑Hikmah (the power of understanding), the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, a figure like that of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) as you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: This is nothing but evident magic’”

[al-Maa'idah 5:110]

We believe that ‘Eesa was born from the Virgin Maryam with no father, and that is not impossible for Allaah Who, when He wills a thing, says “Be!” and it is.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:59]

“(Remember) when the angels said: ‘O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allaah gives you the glad tidings of a Word [‘Be!’ — and he was! i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allaah.”

He will speak to the people, in the cradle and in manhood, and he will be one of the righteous.’

She said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me.’ He said: ‘So (it will be) for Allaah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: “Be!” and it is’”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:45-47]

We believe that he permitted to the Jews some of the things that had been forbidden to them.

Allaah tells us that ‘Eesa said to the Children of Israel (interpretation of the meaning):

“And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Tawraat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allaah and obey me”

[Aal ‘Imraan 3:50]

We believe that he did not die and his enemies the Jews did not kill him, rather Allaah saved him from them and raised him up to heaven alive.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And because of their (Jews) disbelief and uttering against Maryam (Mary) a grave false charge (that she has committed illegal sexual intercourse);

And because of their saying (in boast), ‘We killed Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allaah,’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them the resemblance of ‘Eesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]:

But Allaah raised him [‘Eesa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allaah is Ever All‑Powerful, All‑Wise”
[al-Nisa’ 4:156-158]

We believe that he told his followers of the coming of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: ‘O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allaah unto you, confirming the Tawraat [(Torah) which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.’ But when he (Ahmad, i.e. Muhammad) came to them with clear proofs, they said: ‘This is plain magic’”

[al-Saff 61:6]

We believe that he will come back down at the end of time, and will disprove the claim of his enemies the Jews that they killed him, and will disprove the claim of the Christians that he is God or the son of God, and he will not accept anything from them but Islam.

Al-Bukhaari (2222) and Muslim (155) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, soon the son of Maryam will descend among you [according to another report: the Hour will not begin until the son of Maryam descends among you] as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah, and money will become abundant until no one will accept it.”

“Soon” means it will inevitably happen quickly.

“will descend among you” means among this ummah.

“A just judge” means that he will come down and rule according to this sharee’ah (divine law), and that this sharee’ah will remain and not be abrogated, rather ‘Eesa will be one of the rulers of this ummah.

“He will break the cross and kill the pigs” means he will declare as false the religion of the Christians by breaking the cross in a real sense and proving false the Christians’ claims and veneration of the cross.

“and he will abolish the jizyah”:

al-Nawawi said:

The correct view concerning this is that he will not accept it, and he will not accept anything from the kaafirs disbelievers but Islam. If any of them offer the jizyah that will not make him stop fighting them. Rather he will not accept anything but Islam or death. This is the view of Imam Abu Sulaymaan al-Khattaabi and other scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them).

End quote.

“Money will become abundant” – the reason for this abundance will be the descent of blessings and the spread of goodness because of justice and the absence of oppression or wrongdoing. At that time the earth will bring forth its treasures, and desire to keep money will decrease because they will know that that Hour is at hand.

Then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.

Ahmad (9349) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am the closest of people to ‘Eesa ibn Maryam because there was no Prophet between him and me…” Then he mentioned his descent at the end of time. Then he said: “And he will remain for as long as Allaah wills he should remain, then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral prayer for him and bury him.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (2182).

We believe that he will disavow himself on the Day of Resurrection of the claims that he was a god.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): 'O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner‑self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All‑Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen).

Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things’”

[al-Maa'idah 5:116-117]

“ ‘Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things’”

[al-Maa'idah 5:116-117]

This is what the Muslims believe about the Messiah ‘Eesa ibn Maryam (peace be upon him).

Al-Bukhaari (3435) and Muslim (28) narrated from ‘Ubaadah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever bears witness that there is no god but Allaah alone, with no partner or associate, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger, and that ‘Eesa is His slave and Messenger, a word which Allaah bestowed upon Maryam and a spirit created by Him, and that Paradise is real, and Hell is real, Allaah will admit him through whichever of the eight gates of Paradise he wishes.”

We ask Allaah to make us steadfast in faith and to cause us to die as believers.

May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad.

This version of story the quran is parading about Jesus Christ is totally different from what the Bible teaches. The question i will ask you is,was the quran written first before the Bible?
If no,how then the quran writers had first hand information about Jesus Christ than Bible writers who lived as at the time the said Jesus was on earth?
Do you see how quran contradicts itself?
Bible writers never mentioned anything about Muhammad in the Bible because Muhammad and Islam never existed in their time,what they knew was Jesus.
So,if you want a first hand information about Jesus,then read the bible,not quran.
Obviously,the Jesus quran is parading is not Jesus Christ but a kind of a prophet to draw muslims attention to christianity in order to increase hatred.Christians don't even have time to begin to analyse who Muhammad is talkless of start hating muslims or people of other religions, And no Muslim have any fundermental base or knowledge to tell any Christian that he does not know Jesus Christ

Op, do you realize that times have change,that we are not in the era of old testament anymore?
Jesus says the least person in Gods kingdom is greater than all the prophets of the old testament?
Sunday school will never consider to understand what Jesus meant by that , they are teaching o.
They are teaching Nigerians principles that are outdated and not applicable to reality thereby making Nigerians to be dumb.
Na God go judge o

Martinez19:
I am asking those who have worked with him and have first hand experience or anything tangible to say. I am convinced that most preachers are fraud but I have never heard of Dr. Dk Olukoya in scandals frequently. Ex - mfm workers, ex- bodyguards of Dr. Olukoya(if he has one) and those with relevant information, speak out.

Any Pastor Nigerians generally regarded as genuine is automatically a fraudulent pastor became the minds of all Nigerians are fraudulent not knowing what is good from what is bad

newsynews:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUHEtZZFHMC/?taken-by=daddyfreeze

Below is a conversation OAP Freeze of Cool FM had with a boy who was wondering if his Muslim late mum made heaven.





http://wotzup.ng/are-muslims-going-to-heaven-oap-freeze-gives-an-answer/

Is daddy freeze a graduate of UI?
He should focus on whatever he studied in school and and preach less of religion. i sense he is a smart fellow who want to preach what will unite the two religions which is very good. But he knows some few things in the Bible.
It's a free world anymay,whatever you preach or say really do not matter. And if he think that muslims will make heaven let him go and erase where the the Bible says whosever do not believe is condemned already.
Because as far as God is concern,muslims are unbelievers, it is a free world to say your mind

4reala:
I will give u about 5 cases in d bible where bride price was discussed.
1) In the case of Jacob and Racheal
Genesis 29:16-28
Now Laban had two daughters; the name of the older was Leah, and the name of the younger was Rachel. And Leah's eyes were weak, but Rachel was beautiful of form and face. Now Jacob loved Rachel, so he said, "I will serve you seven years for your younger daughter Rachel."
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Laban said, "It is better that I give her to you than to give her to another man; stay with me." So Jacob served seven years for Rachel and they seemed to him but a few days because of his love for her. Then Jacob said to Laban, "Give me my wife, for my time is completed, that I may go in to her." Laban gathered all the men of the place and made a feast. Now in the evening he took his daughter Leah, and brought her to him; and Jacob went in to her. Laban also gave his maid Zilpah to his daughter Leah as a maid. So it came about in the morning that, behold, it was Leah! And he said to Laban, "What is this you have done to me? Was it not for Rachel that I served with you? Why then have you deceived me?" But Laban said, "It is not the practice in our place to marry off the younger before the firstborn. "Complete the week of this one, and we will give you the other also for the service which you shall serve with me for another seven years." Jacob did so and completed her week, and he gave him his daughter Rachel as his wife.
(2) In the case of Isaac and Rebecca
Genesis 24:53
The servant brought out articles of silver and articles of gold, and garments, and gave them to Rebekah; he also gave precious things to her brother and to her mother.
(3) In the case of Shechem and Dinah
Genesis 24:53
The servant brought out articles of silver and articles of gold, and garments, and gave them to Rebekah; he also gave precious things to her brother and to her mother.
(4) I the case of David and Michal
2 Samuel 3:14
So David sent messengers to Ish-bosheth, Saul's son, saying, "Give me my wife Michal, to whom I was betrothed for a hundred foreskins of the Philistines."
(5) In the,case of Moses passing God's commandment to the children of God(Isrealites)
Exodus 22:16-17
"If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, and lies with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife. "If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the dowry for virgins.

Ok,
I have seen it,
But these are stories of what have happened in the past under the old covenant. Do they really still apply in this modern day where there is now knowledge and understanding?
why will a parent demand bride price from a man who want to marry their daughter in the first place, what are they going to do with the list of items? just to eat them up?
How about the new couple? Are these parents interested if they love each other to stay together or they just want the bride price to fulfill tradition?
I think where the man is poor such that he cannot afford to pay the price and the girl love him enough to start a family with him,the parent should give them the approval without any further delay of the man going to source for the money by all means
What do you think?