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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by paxonel(m): 9:30am On May 27, 2016
AnalyticEngine:
Well, you did not answer my question on John 14:12-13 and we all know why so I'll let it pass. You Religionists say God does not change but in this case, He is permitted to change patterns. Based on what you said, He used healing and miracles to spread his agenda and not because he had love for them. Now that his gospel has been preached, he ceased to heal and do miracles not minding the state of people who look up to him. Bro, I don't wish to engage you any further because you clearly don't know what you are talking about. It is evident that religion has percolated deep into your psyche and all you'll do is to defend it by all means rather than use sound reasoning. There is definitely something wrong. I hope the scales will fall off your eyes someday.
lol..
i laugh.
i thought you must have understood reasoning before you reject God?
you are not sincere to yourself
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by paxonel(m): 9:26am On May 27, 2016
God can do anything does not mean that he will continue to do anything. for example, manner in the wilderness. there will never be any such thing again. so is signs and wonders and miracles, there will never be miracles again. let love reign
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by paxonel(m): 9:06am On May 27, 2016
AnalyticEngine:
What you just posted is not in conformity with scripture. If God did not promise healing, signs and wonders, what did Jesus mean when He said "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.  And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it." John 14:12-13. Care to explain? In my opinion you are just giving excuses for the clear absence of healing and miracles. Now, if you claim that miracles and healing do exist, why is there no occurrence of healing of an amputee but there is widespread speaking in tongues. Are both not supposed to be propelled by the same spirit? Again, I know your next line of defense is to quote spiritual giftings. Just think about these issues and respond if you have an answer that would be more in line with the scriptures you so believe in. You talk about showing love to the amputee on the assumption that all amputees are wretched and poor. There are wealthy amputees and people with physical disorders who have a great social life going. The issue at hand is about their healing.
scriptures was documented last approximately 2000 years ago, we should not continue to dwell in the pastor. God is more interested in what is happening now than in the past.
like i said before healing or signs and wonders was to get people believe in Christ.
early christians carry out miracles and tongue speaking no doubt.
But all of it was to expand God's kingdom on earth which has already been expanded by now.
as I'm talking to you, billions of people worldwide are christians today. this is the achievement of early miracles.
But today, we don't need all the miracles or signs or tongues again since the purpose of miracles or signs has already been achieved.
when you see people speaking in tongues or claiming to perform miracles today, surely their motive is not of God.
God is through with all that.
What we should be pursuing now is education, love for all mankind, not religion
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Does God Not Heal/help Like He Promised? by paxonel(m): 6:36am On May 27, 2016
why does God not heal as he promised?
first of all, i want to say that God never promised anybody healing.
people run to churches because pastors promise them healing, not God.
Jesus healed people in Bible days in order to attract people into the kingdom. The kingdom is now established so what is the place of signs and wonders again?
we really don't need it.
what we need this generation is love for all mankind.
when you show love to the amputated he begins to feel belong and satisfied, expressing happiness even more than most people who are whole.
the most important thing in life is happiness, christians need to understand that.
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The Bible by paxonel(op): 6:01am On May 27, 2016
flexybobo:
this is straightforward, not the conventional messages that are popular this days
thanks! when the truth is presented it is hard for anyone to deny it
Christianity Etc › Understanding The Bible by paxonel(op): 8:02pm On May 26, 2016
the summary of it all from Genesis to revelation is:
1.Love God with all your heart
2. Love your neighbour as yourself
Matt 22:37-39.
the most two powerful statements in the world.
these two laws exist independently on their own. I.e keeping one do not depend on the other in anyway (unlike churches preaching that without repentance from sin no Salvation ).
Now, how do we love God?
we love God by simply joining the Christian religion through believing that Jesus is the Christ, at that point we are saved automatically .
saved from what?
saved from death.
by one man sin death came to the world , But through Christ we have eternal life here on earth (not in heaven or anywhere above the clouds ).
seriously, i wonder were the rapture fiction is coming from?
certainly, not the Bible.
We are already living our eternal life to replenish this earth as God commanded Adam who lost his eternal life through his sin. That eternal life we are living now is Christianity on earth (Christ in us who came to restore what Adam has lost ).
Roman 5:17, 19 and 20.
How do we keep the second law.(love your neigbour as yourself)?
this one is for Everybody whether you are a christian or not, one love for all mankind.
like i said, this law do not depend on the first law, it require everyone to make a deliberate effort to repent so that this world will be a better place for us
Sports › Re: Manchester United Appoints Mourinho As Coach by paxonel(m): 7:12pm On May 26, 2016
lie, morhino will sign the deal on Friday, check ESPN
Christianity Etc › Re: Scriptures Pastors Will Not Quote In Church by paxonel(m): 8:40am On May 22, 2016
debonairprinx:
Well,that may be true in some cases, but I rather refrain from castigating Men of God, just so I won't offend the holy spirit. There's an anointing on them, and that's what we should recognise.
Have a glorious worship in church my brother.
i think this is where corruption thrives,
not wanting to say anything even when men of God are not doing right for fear that they have special anointing over you.
a typical replicate of what is happening in African homes where the man of house will mess up, and his wife and children will be afraid to speak, or our politicians will misappropriate public fund simply because the citizens are afraid to speak out.
For your info, Christ don't see you inferior below any man of God or politician . it is you that volunteered to keep yourself inferior under your pastor.
just like the way you are answerable to Christ that is the same way all men of God are answerable to him.
so, when you see people speaking out it is because they want change, not necessarily castigating.
grin
debonairprinx:
Well,that may be true in some cases, but I rather refrain from castigating Men of God, just so I won't offend the holy spirit. There's an anointing on them, and that's what we should recognise.
Have a glorious worship in church my brother.
i think this is where corruption thrives,
not wanting to say anything even when men of God are not doing right for fear that they have special anointing over you.
a typical replicate of what is happening in African homes where the man of house will mess up, and his wife and children will be afraid to speak, or our politicians will misappropriate public fund simply because the citizens are afraid to speak out.
For your info, Christ don't see you inferior below any man of God or politician .
You were equally anointed the day accepted to be in the Christian religion.
so, it is you that ignorantly volunteered to keep yourself inferior under your pastor.
just like the way you are answerable to Christ that is the same way all men of God are answerable to him.
so, when you see people speaking out it is because they want change, not necessarily castigating.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Shld Heal This World Rather Than Wishing Rapture To Come & Destroy It by paxonel(op): 11:01am On May 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
U can whatsapp me @ +2348107432150
thanks
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Shld Heal This World Rather Than Wishing Rapture To Come & Destroy It by paxonel(op):
Alezy:
i just got the exact place I wanted to show u. Please read LUKE 12:50-52
if u don't understand from KJV, u can use AMP or NLT. Jesus said it himself that he has not come to bring peace.


Matt 24:30 talks much about his second coming.

scripture about rapture. ...Matt 24:31, 1 cor 15:51-52, 1 these 4:17.

remain blessed
whether niv or kjv if you look properly you will be seeing the same thing.
you you need to do, understand the history behind the verse you are reading, now it takes thinking or meditation to do that.
for instance,
Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: luke 12:52 For from henceforth(from that era Jesus was on earth before he was crucified ) there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
That means people of one family will be seperated and start practicing different religion.
you know, Jesus Christ came with the Christian religion at the time when the Jews where strongly into their Judaism (the religion God gave them through Abraham their father with the old covenant ).
Hence, in that old testament God forbade the Jews to go into idolatry because God regarded idolatry as the religion of the gentiles, so it was Judaism he approved for Everybody before Jesus came.
But with the coming of Jesus, Christianity was established at pentecost. Now God has rejected Judaism(old covenant ) and lifted Christianity(new covenant ) for Salvation.
Hence Jesus (Christianity ) is the only way the truth and the life.
that was why Jesus says in
luke12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three
which literally means his coming has divided the Jews (not the world, please don't get it wrong ) to adherents of different religions, some will practice Christianity that he brought, others will maintain their Judaism, while others will get fed up and start going into idolatry and different religions .
so, you see that when you follow the historical background of scriptures you will be see things different from what religion is currently teaching.
ok, you say Matthew 24 was referring to the signs of Jesus second coming?
that was a big error.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming(not sign of the second coming, these is where christians are getting it wrong ), and of the end of the world?
signs of the coming of Jesus to die for the sins of the world which mattew 24 described, is different from the second coming of Jesus.
infact the second coming has no sign, he is coming like a thief every people die and judge them.
it is appointed once for men to die, after that judgement.
i pray that God should give you insite to understand these.
they are the most sensible things i have ever read in my life.
God is so sensible, but christians are just doing mumu religion


grin
Alezy:
i just got the exact place I wanted to show u. Please read LUKE 12:50-52
if u don't understand from KJV, u can use AMP or NLT. Jesus said it himself that he has not come to bring peace.


Matt 24:30 talks much about his second coming.

scripture about rapture. ...Matt 24:31, 1 cor 15:51-52, 1 these 4:17.

remain blessed
whether niv or kjv if you look properly you will be seeing the same thing.
you you need to do, understand the history behind the verse you are reading, now it takes thinking or meditation to do that.
for instance,
Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: luke 12:52 For from henceforth(from that era Jesus was on earth before he was crucified ) there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
That means people of one family will be seperated and start practicing different religion.
you know, Jesus Christ came with the Christian religion at the time when the Jews where strongly into their Judaism (the religion God gave them through Abraham their father with the old covenant ).
Hence, in that old testament God forbade the Jews to go into idolatry because God regarded idolatry as the religion of the gentiles, so it was Judaism he approved for Everybody before Jesus came.
But with the coming of Jesus, Christianity was established at pentecost. Now God has rejected Judaism(old covenant ) and lifted Christianity(new covenant ) for Salvation.
Hence Jesus (Christianity ) is the only way the truth and the life.
that was why Jesus says in
luke12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three
which literally means his coming has divided the Jews (not the world, please don't get it wrong ) to adherents of different religions, some will practice Christianity that he brought, others will maintain their Judaism, while others will get fed up and start going into idolatry and different religions .
so, you see that when you follow the historical background of scriptures you will be see things different from what religion is currently teaching.
ok, you say Matthew 24 was referring to the signs of Jesus second coming?
that was a big error.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming(not sign of the second coming, these is where christians are getting it wrong ), and of the end of the world?
signs of the coming of Jesus to die for the sins of the world which mattew 24 described, is different from the second coming of Jesus.
infact the second coming has no sign, he is coming like a thief everyday people die and judge them.
it is appointed once for men to die, after that judgement.
i pray that God should give you insite to understand these.
they are the most sensible things i have ever read in my life.
God is so sensible, but christians are just doing mumu religion..
1 thes and 1 cor, did not talk about rapture, rather they were referring to resurrection of the dead here on earth. (what the saducees refused to believe).
read the whole chapters again
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Shld Heal This World Rather Than Wishing Rapture To Come & Destroy It by paxonel(op): 9:35am On May 19, 2016
ValentineMary:
This is one of the most sensible christians I have seen on this forum.
i think you are a smart thinker,
can i please get your signature? i really want to know you
Education › Uniben Gets First Sug Woman President by paxonel(op): 9:28am On May 19, 2016
please is this information accurate?
how about chinlelo?
Vanguard

by Ezekiel Efeobhokhan, May 19, 2016 at 12:00 am inCampus Life

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There was excitement at the University of Benin (UNIBEN) when Lauretta Obakpolor was elected the first woman president of the Students’ Union Government (SUG). EZEKIEL EFEOBHOKHAN (500-Level Pharmacy) reports.

A woman has been elected Students’ Union Government (SUG) president for the first time in the history of the University of Benin (UNIBEN).

She is Lauretta Obakpolor, a 400-Level Pharmacy student. She beat five other candidates with 2,283 votes to win the coveted position.

Immediately the electoral committee declared her winner, shouts of her name rent the air. Her supporters moved round the campus singing victory songs.

Before the election, many students did not give her a chance.  But, Lauretta played her joker on the Manifesto Day when she unveiled her programmes. Unlike other candidates, her presentation was greeted with applause.

Emeka Onyeji, a final year student of Economics and Statistics, said: “When I heard Lauretta speak for the first time at the manifesto, I knew there was more to the aspiration of this lady than just being a candidate. Immediately she mounted the podium, every word from her wowed the audience. We believed she has good plans for the union. This is why we all voted for her.”

Other candidates were Victor Arigbe of the Faculty of Education; Nelson Ehrauyi (Faculty of Engineering), Efosa Iyekekpolor (Faculty of Education), Godstime Oghogho (College of Medicine) and Leslie Oghama (Faculty of Social Sciences).

A student from the Faculty of Education, who declined to give his name, said the two candidates from his faculty did not deserve to win the election. According to him, Efosa and Victor were over-ambitious, which was why they could not step down for each other.

He said: “We met each of them personally to step down, so that the faculty can produce a single candidate to win the election. They both declined and went ahead to canvass for votes. They divided the votes that could have gone for a single candidate. They did not deserve to win.

“A leader should know when to let down his ego for the common good. If the faculty had voted for a single candidate, that candidate would definitely be the winner of this election. But the faculty was divided so were the votes.”

The union leaders have been sworn in.

Other members of the executive included Sonia Obasuyi, Vice President; Jatto Ovie, General Secretary; John Aigbogun, Attorney General; Elliot Airhuoyuwa, Assistant General Secretary; Glory Odu, Director of Finance and Kelechi Ikotu, Director of Publicity.

Others are Eugene Chukwu, Director of Welfare, Michael Iroegbu, Director of Sports and Precious Enokeran, Director of Socials.

Addressing the union leaders during the inauguration, the Vice-Chancellor, Prof Faraday Orumwense, advised them to maintain peace on the campus, saying the development of the school should be the union’s objective.

The VC said: “I congratulate you on your election, but you must know leadership comes with responsibility. In the period of grievances, I will advise you to seek all known channels of dialogue and peaceful resolution. In every decision you take, endeavour to carry your colleagues along.”

In her acceptance speech, Lauretta thanked students for supporting her, despite the campaign against her gender. She promised not to let the students down, vowing to use her mandate for the good of all.

She said: “To all those who are sceptical about a female being a president, I say we have crossed the Rubicon. Those people need to read the Bible and learn about the story of Deborah. This is another Deborah standing in front of you today. I bear the plight of a woman and understand the pains of a man. Leadership is not about gender. I seek the support of all as we take the union to another level.”

The outgone president, Raymond Omorogbe, congratulated his successor, urging the union to sustain peace on the campus.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is There Any Sin God Can't Forgive? by paxonel(m): 2:04am On May 17, 2016
Alezy:
I get what your Tring to say, but I need to point out some few facts with scriptural backing.

U said if we don't believe in Christ at all that will never be forgiven, well I think if u don't believe in Christ and have never believed, you are not in Christ self, so ur own is out of the picture. This set of people are already condemned. but don't forget it's his will that all might be saved, hence the long rope.

Secondly, it was in matt 12:31-32 that jesus talked about sin of blasphemy and John referred to it in 1 John 5:16-17. The verse 17 states that ALL WICKED ACTIONS ARE SIN BUT NOT EVERY SIN LEADS TO DEATH. The verse that brings the point am trying to make u understand is Heb 6:4-6.

Infact just read HEBREWS 6:4-6. It explains very well those who won't be forgiven. Please read from AMP or NLT as KJV might look very confusing.
yes,
thats true!
if the Pharisees had believed in Jesus they would not have blasphemed against the holy spirit, as the holy spirit is Jesus (by the understanding of his disciples, not the understanding of the Pharisees ).
you can't seriously speak evil against whom you believed in
the Pharisees saw Jesus as the son of man, not as the holy spirit, hence they did not believe.
so every blasphemy against the son of man was forgiven.
that means you can insult Jesus anyhow, he is stupid man, rubbish thing,
he will just be looking at you, and laugh.
But you must believe that he is the Christ, That's all.
Hebrew 6:4-6 talk about people who once believed, at a time they stop believing , at that point they stop believing they have sinned against the holy spirit.
the verdict is death, lost of eternal life.
that means denouncing the Christian faith Paul preached to them is the sin that is not forgiven.
Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Shld Heal This World Rather Than Wishing Rapture To Come & Destroy It by paxonel(op): 12:29am On May 17, 2016
Alezy:
Please what church do but attend? because even Christ said he didn't come to change the world so what makes u think u can change it??

You have an ultimate task, MAKE HEAVEN AND TAKE AS MANY AS U CAN WITH U.
Where in the bible did you read that Christ says he didn't come to change the world for better?
On the contrary, Jesus says in
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
what is the law?
Is the law not 10 commandments?
Thou shall not steal in order to make this world a better place.
Thou shall not bear false witness or commit adultery in order to make this world a better place.
Have you ever quantify the magnitude of positive changes imparted into this world since Jesus came to die and establish Christianity since 2000 years ago .
Where is the place of ancient days man to man slavery and all the atrocities commited by men we used to read in old testament and beyond?
Even modern day slavery is reduced to intellectual problem and not a function of physical or military might .
Today in Africa, i have access to education and live freely without the interference of slave masters.
This world is gradually moving to a better state, when you take account of history and travel out of Africa to see things for yourself you will know what I'm talking about.
men are gradually replenishing this earth as God commanded right from the day of creation in Genesis,this is the key achievement of the crucifixion on the cross.
Death and sin came through the sin of Adam, but Christ restored back that eternal life that was lost.
So, quit saying you want to make heaven, it ignorance on your side as a Christian.
Rather, say you are already in heaven here on earth through the resurrection of Christ, you have everlasting Life right now.
You don't need any rapture.
I have never seen rapture mentioned anywhere in the Bible, i think rapture is an error arising from the many doctrines of Catholic church in ancient rome.
Google it
Christianity Etc › Re: Is There Any Sin God Can't Forgive? by paxonel(m): 6:13am On May 16, 2016
Alezy:
blasphemy against the holy spirit Jesus said won't be forgiven and Paul said as christians u shouldn't even pray for such people.

It simply means that after receiving Christ, en routed in him, accepting him as ur Lord and saviour, receiving the Holy Spirit and walking with him, you finally turn and say u don't believe in Christ anymore and u walk out of the faith.

Note: this is not backsliding, u can backslide due to certain things but u still believe God is supreme and Christ is the way.

God grant us understanding
You are on point,
You really understand your Bible,
But i want to say that Jesus did not see the statement of the Pharisees saying he uses demon to cast out evil spirit as blasphemy, as Everybody have the right to say whatever they like.
Sin against the holy spirit was the refusal of the Pharisees to believe that he was the Christ.
Therefore, whosoever do not believe has sinned against the holyspirit and will perish and do not have everlasting life John 3:16
So, blasphemy can never be a serious issue to God to the extent of not forgiving.
Everybody are entitled to their words, you can say whatever you like God nor dey vex, but it is when you refuse to obey and do what you are suppose to do (believing in Jesus as the Christ ) that you will have problem with God, at that point you have sinned against the holy spirit
Christianity Etc › Re: Is There Any Sin God Can't Forgive? by paxonel(m): 5:57am On May 16, 2016
englishmart:
some people say if you sin against the holy spirit, you will never be forgiven.
Does it mean that if you blaspheme against the holy spirit, your case is judged already? ( automatically you're going to hell)
What does it mean to sin against the holy spirit?
Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo Kneeling Down Before Adeboye by paxonel(m):
laikas:
mind ur tongue bro
Mind which tongue, must you kneel before people again? In this dispensation of every christian whom God has made priests though Christ?
What then do you need priests for again or kneeling before priests?
We'll, I'm not against kneeling before any priest, anybody can decide to do it but all I'm saying is, it is not necessary again this dispensation.
All our mates in developed nations are science and technology oriented, thinking of how to fly to the moon for one research or the other or thinking of how to solve economic problems, somebody is still kneeling before priests in Africa?
It was practiced in old testament cheesy cool
As christians in nigeria let's think of how to solve our national problems and not admiring people kneeling before priests.
If our national problems are solved, then we have all the time in the world kneeling down before even babalawos,if kneeling down is something to admire
Christianity Etc › Re: Oyedepo Kneeling Down Before Adeboye by paxonel(m): 2:05pm On May 10, 2016
One day, God go soon kneel before these adeboye and oyedepo grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Be A Christian And Not Go To Church? by paxonel(m): 2:22pm On May 08, 2016
2kaybiel:
Going to church every Sunday doesn't make one a Christian. the Bible is Christian standard which many churches have deviated from. believing Jesus Christ is the fundamental thing in every person that called himself a Christian. churches of these days are fulled and filled with moral decadence. many girls dressing provocatively to church and pastors in charge will not send them back just because of what they want. all kinds of association you will find in churches. songs sang in these days churches are not glorifying God again. Jesus Christ said "seek ye first the kingdom of God and it's righteousness and all other things shall be added onto you " .
the other things here is what churches /pastors/church members are seeking first, winning souls is not their priority.

money, fame, position etc are what people are looking for these days.

worshipping God in truth and in spirit is just a mere saying among Christians.
my question now is
WHO IS A CHRISTIAN??
a Christian is anybody in Christianity and not in any other religion.
And what qualifies a person to be in the Christian religion?
1. by birth: that is, if the person is born into a Christian family.
2. the moment the person believe that Jesus is the Christ(assuming he was in other religions like islam or athiesm or whatever ), from that moment his believe has made him join the christian religion in his heart, he may not necessarily be going to church, at that point he is saved automatically .
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Be A Christian And Not Go To Church? by paxonel(m): 2:10pm On May 08, 2016
YungMike:
Good morning nairalanders, happy Sunday, happy new month, happy workers day.

Now to the topic, I have a pal who does not attend church at all, but believes he's a christian because he prays and believes Jesus is Lord. He doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't commit sexual sin. But the only issue is he doesn't attend church. People say he is deceived and not a christian at all. I'm confused can you actually be a christian and not go to church?
as a matter of fact, Jesus never wanted us to be christians in order for us us to be going to church.
The wanted us to be christians so that we will have eternal life.
John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain(a place of worship for samaritans in those ), nor yet at Jerusalem(a place of worship for the jews where Solomon's temple was located), worship the Father.
This also applied to the place of worship for christians which are church buildings today.
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
so, your friend who don't go to church is a typical example of a person who worship God in spirit and in truth, not in buildings called church.
God seek such people
Christianity Etc › Re: Most Religious Countries: Nigeria Ranked No 9 (photo) by paxonel(m): 12:38pm On May 02, 2016
ANTONINEUTRON:
c d way u are insulting d nations bcuz nigeria is there.
Not because Nigeria is there,
But because the nations are truly mumu
Christianity Etc › Re: Most Religious Countries: Nigeria Ranked No 9 (photo) by paxonel(m): 7:25am On May 02, 2016
What i noticed from this data is, The first 10 countries are the most extremely corrupt, poor and economically detailed countries. They are extremely foolish nations
United state which is the most powerful country falls somewhere at the middle, they are very wise. Initially, they thought being religious will please God, until lately their progeny are becoming wiser and realize that God is not interested in religion.
England who brought Christianity to Nigeria falls below, and Nigeria is poor and corrupt.
Imagine that?
Nigerians, una need to open una eye o.
Stop following pastors or church,
Live your life and create jobs for yourselves and employ other people, religion is a mess.
No pastor or imam or babalawo has done any physical good to this country.
All they do is to claim they can decend into the spiritual which profit nothing .
All these happen because the people lark quality education
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 7:50am On Apr 27, 2016
Fearcom:
God doesn't punish his sons, He CHASTENS/DISCIPLINES/CORRECTS them so that they won't be CONDEMNED with the world Heb 12:6, just as a child is trained so that he won't go down the ways of death.

As for specifying Ananias and his wife being thrown into hell fire, the Bible didn't need to, because it is ALREADY WRITTEN ".......All liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone" Rev 21:8. They LIED to the HOLY GHOST! And Jesus said he that willfully blasphemes against him doesn't have forgiveness but is in danger of eternal damnation Mark 3:29
Do you know that you have just concluded that mark 3:29 and Rev 21:8 contradicts the conclusion of Paul in Romans 3:28 which says
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.?
is there contradiction in Bible?
I don't think so.
I think the problem is the way you understand mark 3:29 and rev 21:8.
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 8:06pm On Apr 26, 2016
Fearcom:
My friend, Kumuyi was scripturally accurate. He was talking about christians who willingly and repeatedly commit a particular sin and refuse to repent. Weren't Ananaias and Shappira born again christians and part of the early church? Why did they lie to the Holy Ghost and were struck dead before Peter's feet? Why was their judgment so severehuh


That you're a born again, spirit filled christian doesn't make you immune to sin and temptation, otherwise the bible wouldn't have said "flee from every appearance of evil", "neither give place to the devil" and that you should "crucify the flesh with it's affections and lusts". It isn't automatic. As long as you're in this earthly vessel you have to keep resisting the devil for him to flee from you. You're still a free moral agent who can be tempted to back slide.

Then again, you weren't freed from the bondage of hell. You're free from the bondage of SIN. SIN LEADS to DEATH. However, a believer can of his OWN FREE WILL live in sin after he has accepted Christ. To REPENT means to FORSAKE and ABANDON COMPLETELY a sin one has been HABITUALLY committing, not the once in a while mistake we all make.
God may punish his own for commiting sin but that does not mean that God has rejected him as his own.
It's like a son who has done something wrong, his father will only purnish him, But he will still remain his son, no matter what he has done.
The Bible did not specify that Ananias and saphiras were thrown into hell fire after what they have done
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 7:05pm On Apr 26, 2016
buchilino:
HONESTLY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MOST OF WAT UR TALKING ABOUT. AS CHRISTIANS WHO IS OUR EXAMPLE IN LIFE? JESUS. WHETHER U OR OTHERS LIKE IT NOT HEAVEN N HELL R REAL. THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN SIN DESPITE HEARING D TRUE GOSPEL EVERY DAY WILL END IN HELL. KUMUYI IS D WATCHMAN, WHO KEEPS WARNING PPLE OF D DANGERS AHEAD. IF U N OTHER CHOOSE NOT HEED THOSE WARNINGS THEN GOD WILL NOT HOLD KUMUYI N OTHER RIGHTEOUS PASTORS RESPONSIBLE. ALL THESE OTHER ONES UR TALKING ABOUT, NA U NO. THERE IS NOTHING SECULAR SYSTEM IN GODS KINGDOM. EITHER UR A BELIEVER DAT LIVES A HOLY LIFE ON EARTH OR UR A SINNER. IF UR A TRUE CHILD OF GOD U WOULDNT MAKE DIS KIND STATEMENT COS GOD SPIRIT LIVES INSIDE US. GOD'S SPIRIT DIRECT US ON HOW WE LIVE OUR DAILY LIVES, DAT IS IF U LISTEN TO IT.
Ok,
You didn't understand most of what i was talking about and you are still talking what i already understand from childhood? grin
Mr man,
I expect you should ask questions from where you did not understand.
I have already sensed you lark capacity to understand simple reasoning, so why should i stress myself talking to you? grin.
Ok, let me test your reasoning capacity first,
How do understand this Scripture?
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. grin
This is law of identity put together with excluded middle, you may crack your brain to understand it.
By the way, do you know what is law of identity? grin
if you have never come to this, stop jumping into what is beyond your level ok?
One more thing,
You say there is nothing secular in God's kingdom?
I think you are the Devil for saying that.
What is this?
Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
The question is, where are goods meant for transactions?
Inside the church or the secular world ?
I leave that for you to answer for yourself with your conscience grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 6:37pm On Apr 25, 2016
tosinjay:
What is all these about, editing message in my name like i said it that way, why couldn't you reply the message but edited it huh?
Sorry it was an error!
I don't know were the error came from whether it was network or system.
I hope you have seen my reply?
I was saying that most of the church members never had opportunity to go to school how then will they know?
You can never assume they know.
It is kumuyi that has the responsibility to teach them how to avoid sin to the best of their knowledge, for the betterment of the society .
So far, he has been preaching and not teaching
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 4:04pm On Apr 25, 2016
EmperorMGI:
I pray their eyes be opened early enough!
You don't have anything to say
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 3:51pm On Apr 25, 2016
tosinjay:
Sorry to say but, kindly be mindful of what you say in ignorance, he does educate them, within the message it's clear that they know the way but won't repent. It's all by grace we obtain mercy, mercy to even have the heart of repentance.
Romans 9:15" For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
They don't know,
Nobody is educating them.
70% of that church population are illiterate people what do they know?
100% of that 70% are extremely poor people
How can they avoid sin?
It's not possible

I grew up in that church from infancy, and later in life went astray but am back now. Yes grace and mercy of God found me and I'm changed today but even if some people would be saved some procrastinating their repentance are getting cut up by death and many would be left with surprise by the Lord's coming. Many are getting their ways right through his messages and souls are genuinely get saved, his message is what nourishes for heavens candidates and not the shabby version of Gospel of deception other ministries present.
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 3:46pm On Apr 25, 2016
tosinjay:
Sorry to say but, kindly be mindful of what you say in ignorance, he does educate them, within the message it's clear that they know the way but won't repent. It's all by grace we obtain mercy, mercy to even have the heart of repentance.
Romans 9:15" For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
They do not know the way, how can they repent?
More than 70% of the church members are illiterate people what do they know?
100% of this 70% are extremely poor people you know what that means?
Anything they can do to have food on their table they will willingly do, whether bad or good.
On Sunday, they will dress up to church and continue to hear the same message of hell fire.
Where are we going?
I grew up in that church from infancy, and later in life went astray but am back now. Yes grace and mercy of God found me and I'm changed today but even if some people would be saved some procrastinating their repentance are getting cut up by death and many would be left with surprise by the Lord's coming. Many are getting their ways right through his messages and souls are genuinely get saved, his message is what nourishes for heavens candidates and not the shabby version of Gospel of deception other ministries present.
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 3:31pm On Apr 25, 2016
CDs
compujyde:
Oga, it's not threat but warning borne out of a caring heart and even Jesus said things weightier than that.

Pride threatens while Care warns.

Reminds me of when my dad continued to warn me while growing up, about the dangers of not facing my studies squarely. No adult did me such a favour as much as my dad. I had a choice not to heed his warnings and even hate him for it but who would have suffered for such a response? No one else but me. Well, I heeded and have gained a lot ever since!

Talking about educating/teaching as a solution for sin as you purported; well, Pastor Kumuyi is one of the greatest teacher of the Word of God in this country if not beyond and his teachings are frequent/fresh and not limited to holiness so you can be rest assured that beyond warning, he teaches them on how to stop sinning. I'm not a member of Deeper Life but I've listened to his messages and once employed someone of lesser qualification just because he is a member of that church - I needed integrity more than qualification.

I admire Pastor Kumuyi for being among the pastors that does not water down the gospel and have helped saturate the atmosphere with heavenly consciousness and readiness for the return of the Lord Jesus.
Get this right!
Your dad warned you because there is danger for not reading your books. But if there was no danger, then that warning becomes a threat and it is absolutely not necessary.
So it is to christians (whether you are deeper life or redeem or Catholic or whatever ).
there is no possibility that anybody in Christianity will go to hell fire in the first place since Christianity is the only religion on earth that has believed that Jesus is the Christ.
John 3:16 says whosever believe should not perish but have everlasting life.
Therefore, saying that christians will go to hell fire because they commit sin is absolutely not necessary and at that point, it becomes a threat. Empty threat for that matter.
Now, don't say I'm encouraging people to go and commit sin, all I'm saying is, pastors need to encouge people to use their conscience and avoid sin, rather than threatening them.
And the only way to do that is to encourage education because ignorance breeds mistakes.
Just know that all our political elites right from inception are products of ignorance thats why Nigeria is still backward.
So we need education
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 3:06pm On Apr 25, 2016
profolaolu:
So d devil knws d Bible read Hebrew 10 vs 26 n 27 n heal ur ignorance
Is it not that the device of the devil is to threaten people and make people fear? (rom 8:15).
please don't allow people threaten you and make you fear, the spirit of fear is of the devil.
This is what is common in Africa, parents will threaten their children and give them the minset of fear, how can they be bold, intelligent and innovative in their thinking ?
In developed nations it is called child abuse.
Ok,
Let's go to your hebrews 10:26
Hebrews10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, hebrew10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
This portion is more like saying Faith without works is dead now.
What is works?
Works is keeping the laws of moses. If you break the law, it is sin.
There is purnishment for it here on earth, at that point the sacrifice of Jesus cannot save you.
I will give you example.
A Christian who commit armed robbery and is sentenced to death by hanging, will his faith or Jesus sacrifice on the cross save him at that point?
The answer is no.
He will die for his crime.
That is the wages of sin, which is death.
But that does not mean that he will go to hell fire because the gift of God is eternal life through Christ.
If God want to justify a sinner into his eternal life by his free gift who are you now to say he will go to hell fire?
You people should mind what you preach o
Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Will Be Hotter For Deeper Life Sinners - W.F. Kumuyi by paxonel(m): 2:25pm On Apr 25, 2016
profolaolu:
I pray U ll nt die in ur spiritual blindness n ur sinful sorrowful life, picking on a man of God for declearing d complete truth,I pity ur condition, even JESUS n John d baptism make such proclaimation,even if U knw dis easy going quiet man of God,U ll never open ur miserable mouth to utter such statement,get a life
Are you threatening me? grin grin

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