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SageTravels:
You said nothing. you talked about Abraham as old testament yet you are still singing Abraham Blessings are mine. you still make reference to Abraham when you are in Need. You pray for his kind of faith but to Tithe you will remember he was of Old.

I can point out scriptures where it is written that if you don't pay you are rubbing God. if you obey God's commandments and yet no results check yourself.

It's not everyone that sings Abraham blessings are mine.
I don't sing that.
The reason is clear, i don't need Abraham to be blessed by God.

Secondly, i don't pray for his kind of Faith,
God forbid!!!!
When my faith is in Christ??

Now, all the great things that were done by Abraham including his tithe,through is faith(the old covenant), hear what the scripture says about them in contrast to the christian faith through Christ( the new covenant)

Hebrews 11:39-40
39.And these all(all the people mentioned in this chapter11), having obtained a good report through faith(including Abraham as previously mentioned if you read from verse1 of this chapter11 down), RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE
40.God having provided some better thing(a better faith through Christ) for us, that they(all the people mentioned including Abraham) without us should not be made perfect.

Do you see that?

Abraham did not even receive the promise.
What he received as old covenant was a shadow of the real thing.

I'm the real thing
You are the real thing.

That without me Abraham is not perfect

Now, the question is, between me and Abraham who should be one wishing to be like who or having whose faith?
Certainly, it is Abraham that should wish to be like me and wish to have my faith which is through Christ and not the other way round.

Get that?

Infact Abraham should pay tithe to me and not me paying tithe.

That's why I'm asking you this question,
Mention one christian from the book of act to the book of revelation who has paid tithe?

Bible can never contradicts itself

Know your right from today

generalbush:
Pained right?

Well to do guys don't care about 10%. They only maximize their 90%.

Broke asses are so mindful of their 100%, which isn't even up to 10% of the money given out by some people as tithe.

You know what this means? Stfu and work hard for more money!!

Pastors aren't the cause of your broke ass!!

I nor get your time again except you quote scriptures to support your assertion and stop unreasonable attacks.
Attacks are sign of failure to explain your view scripturally
If you like quote 100 times i will not answer you,
I'm done with you

generalbush:
And how is the last statement your concern?

If I see very well, you are among those 95% brokeasses who believe that pastors are the ones who are causing your life problems.

Get up and work bro!!

It's not my concern as if I'm not in Nigeria,
Therefore I should keep quiet?

You do well.

My friend delete here
Mteeeeeew!!!!

SageTravels:
Tithing is a concept that has created great controversy inside and outside the church. Some people feel like tithing is a slick way for pastors and ministers to get rich.

Others feel like tithing is a problem because they don't know what their church is doing with the money. However, both arguments are false. Tithing has nothing to do with your pastor or your church... tithing is between you and God.

Tithing is a way for us to show God that we believe and trust in him. If you believe that your church is not spending the tithe correctly; then you are at the wrong church. If you think that your pastor is abusing his position with the tithe; then you are at the wrong church. I would not worship or give my tithes and offerings at a church where I felt that everyone was crooked. Also, every man of God who is not a good steward with God's provision will answer too God. If your pastor or church is abusing God's money; they will answer to God Almighty.

Abraham was the first man ever recorded in the bible to give tithes to God. Read the full account in Genesis 14.

Hebrews 7 sheds more light on Melchizedek. Here he is called the priest of the Most High God. He was the only one qualified to receive tithes from Abraham. All this happened before the law was established. There is no record of Abraham, who at this time was still called Abram, being told to give tithes to God. Nor is any explanation given for Abraham's paying of tithes. It seems as if the tithes were a free will offering that Abraham instinctively knew he should give. He did it willingly.

Abraham's victory in battle led him to pay tithes. He was not paying a financial debt but offering a gratitude of praise and thanks to God with his tithes. Abraham was moved to give tithes not compelled.

Jacob gives us the second reference to paying tithes when he made a vow to God
Genesis 28:22. Here Jacob was following a family tradition. Paying of tithes was an act of gratitude and acknowledgement of God's blessings. Giving was and still is an act of worship.


The giving of tithes would seem to be an offering that demonstrates our acceptance of God as our Lord. It is a way of saying thank you to God. It has nothing to do with the law but everything to do with a grateful heart and a love for God.

Tithes and the law

Hundreds of years after Abraham had first paid tithes, the law of Moses was elaborating the validity of tithes. The biggest argument against paying tithes seems to be with its association with the law. Although godly men before the Law fulfilled the practice of tithing, the Law of Moses made it mandatory.

Leviticus 27: 30 - 32 The law of Moses also mentions tithes in Numbers 18: 21 - 29 in relation to it supporting the Levites, the tribe dedicated as priests of God.

What is even more interesting here is the purpose for which the tithes were given. Read the above verses from Numbers again and you will realize that the tithes goes towards supporting the Levites who in turn give part of it as an offering to the Lord. When we take that in context with Leviticus 27:30 - 32.

The 4 Reasons Why I Tithe

1. Supporting the work of God - Acts 4:32 - 35

2. Providing for the laborers and the work of the kingdom - 1 Corinthians 9:14, Galatians 6:6

3. To support the disadvantaged (strangers, homeless, fatherless e.t.c) - Romans 15:26, 1 Corinthians 16: 1-2, Acts 11: 27 - 30
4. Everything we have belongs to God (Matthew 19:21).

The law was given to make things clear. Without the law we would not understand sin. Sin was around before the law but the law exposed it. Read the whole book of Galatians to get more insight into this truth.

The giving of tithes was also around before the law. Again the law helped in the establishing its importance and relevance. The law did not invent tithing, it only exposed it. We could say the same of sacrifice and obedience.


But what does the New Testament say about tithes?

Not a lot. In fact the only references to tithing in the New Testament are Matthew 23:23, Luke 11:42, Luke 18:12 and Hebrew 7: 5 - 9.

The absence of any direct command for a Christian to pay tithes in the New Testament does not relieve us of this great privilege of worship and acknowledgement of the Lord we serve. For this is what tithing is all about. Tithe is a helpful hint of where the dedicated believer should start his or her giving.

Tithing is not an act to fulfil the law but a demonstration of our love for God. When God gives you a hint it is prudent to take it.

Conclusion

Tithing started before the law. It was an act of worship and dedication to God. It confesses His Lordship. Godly men (and women) tithed as they were led. The law made the need for tithing obvious. Malachi highlighted some of the blessings associated with tithing. The New Testament admonishes us to give. Tithing shows us how.

Tithing lets us know where to begin. There are only two real requirements with regards to tithing. Firstly, it should not be less than one tenth of your income and secondly, it should be the first fruit. In other words, the first thing you pay - an offering to God. Remember, He owns it all.
Tithing is your act of worship.
Lets end with the words of Jesus
Luke 16:13-16



CC; Seun Mynd44 OAM4J

Op, you are not getting the point of contemption, you are still taking references from old testament, Abraham and Melchizedek
Was christianity old testament?

Show us where new testament christians in the bible paid tithe .
What i mean is, starting from the book of act of the apostles down to the book of revelation.
You know that christianity started from the book of act.

Nobody is against giving money to pastors and their ministry but that should be done in a better platform.
Not tithe

Tithe is continuous financial distortion from people who were made to believe that if they pay
God will open a window of heaven and poor out a blessing to them, meanwhile, many of them have been paying yet they remain in abject poverty.

They were also coarsed that if they don't pay it means they are robbing God.
For them not to be seen robbing God, they find themselves paying.

Is that not scam?

Afriifa:
this tithe issue has to be clarified.. i have never seen any of these pastors, giving a valid response about tithings

The only way they can do that is to edit the bible themselves

generalbush:
I think he is correct tho!!

Tell him what to do with his 90% and forget about the 10% y'all are blabbing about!

No one is interested in how he spend his money.
Everyone have the right to be foolish or be wise.

We all have the right to throw our money to baba ijebu scammers or not

But what is the op's conclusion here?
There are more foolish Nigerian christians(almost 89% of the total) than wise ones

It's a fact that many Nigerians do things without caring to know why they are into those things they do.
Many of them are graduates who were supposed to be learned people.

They find themselves doing a lot of things because they were born into the culture

Their parents where doing it
Their elder siblings followed
The church they are attending adopted it
They followed

They are not interested in what the bible is saying ,
All they are interested is to please people.

Now, this is the kind of society we find ourselves

Statsocial:
Prayer Definition by an Agent of Beelzebub.

God has answered their prayers and every tongue and spirit of the prince of persia that rises in opposition including your own shall be silenced forever in Jesus name.

Bush man
God has answered their pray and Nigeria is still in recession.
God has answered their prayer their leaders are corrupt they are suffering.
God has answered their prayer their standard of education for their children is nothing to write home about.

Obviously, you people have not come to understand the meaning of prayer.

When the disciples asked Jesus teach us how to pray, what were the content of his words to them?

Now i know you people don't read your bible, all you know is to hold the book in your hands to church like people who are smoking church weeds

You know what,
You are simply putting the name of Jesus into the mud by your attitudes and religious activities

Millions of Nigerian christians will go to church today Sunday to shout IN JESUS NAME the way you are shouting now , you all have failed to do what Jesus teaches
You fail to love your neighbour and call them belzebub when they speak against evil in religion
You fail to fight your right and the government is scamming you citizens on daily basis
You fail to ask questions
You choose to suffer in silence.

Are you not the ones having bezelbub like that?

Statsocial:
Professor Thomas Sergeant a 2011 Nobel prize winner in Economics once said concerning Bishop Oyedepo. "I have never seen a religious leader well vast read as Dr Oyedepo"

Before going into any project he would first of all take time off and study successful templates. He once marvelled how Adeboye's RCCG was so successful so he sought to learn from Adeboye and today he is replicating it.
Before building a University he by himself studied the templates of Nine great Universities - especially the ivy leagues. No surprise their educational systems are rapidly growing.
Unfortunately Churches have no Ordinance in building industries if they did I am sure even Dangote would be playing Catch up with some churches.
They don't have unnecessary emotional sentiments and sacred cows in their systems. Over 500 pastors have been sacked from Living Faith since inception.

So Maybe you people should quit whining and go learn why the Churches are growing. If you run the country as most of these men have handled the leadership and finance of their Churches maybe Nigeria wouldn't be deteriorating afterall.

A person would be stupid to think they are successful because Nigerians just like religion. Winners Chapel international entered into Ghana in 2004 and already has 150 mega branches filled with indigenous Ghanians not to talk of other over 60 foreign countries .. There is an Art to Church success and they have mastered it while passing the knowledge down onto their protégés in other ministries.

will have you to think of this,
If one billion people of the total worlds population are stupid enough to be manipulated by religion (which is very very possible) ,just know that, that number is not up to half of the worlds population.
Unfortunately, a large number of people in Africa falls among these one billion people, Ghana is included.
Now think about that

You people are deceived by these men,
What is prayer?
Prayer is not talking or making incantations.
Prayer is thinking with the brain solutions to problems and then act .
Nigerians don't think, all they know is pray,
So God can never never answer their prayers,
You can't mock God

Gombs:
Confusion

I don't need to mention Melchizedek before you should know what I'm driving at.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

Cc: lalasticlala Seun

.....I'm coming for you, wait.
I'm in the office,... Just wait for me till 6:pm when I'm less busy at home

petra1:
But he was not a Jew . And the Jewish law wasn’t binding on him .

That's correct!
Is that why you people are paying tithe in the order of Abraham and not the order of Malachi?
Because prophet Malachi was a Jew

petra1:
New new covenant is a product under abrahamic covenant. Jesus is seed of Abraham , We are seed of Abraham . Your theology started already with "K leg. You can't call Abraham thief and robber. If you're not of Abraham you're not a Christian .

Galatians 3:9
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.


Abraham has really suffered in the hand of antitithers . First They said he didn't tithe now he's a thief .



We give to God to worship him ,not to compete with Dangote. It is not what we have in the account that is prosperity but the impact of your personality in your world .

Luke 12:15
And he said unto them, for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Jesus has called Abraham a thief and that he is greater than Abraham i guess you are still having problem with that.

Was Abraham not a mere human being who made mistakes like me and you, what do you take him for?

Yes Abraham was a blessing and paid tithe in his days but we are more blessed having Christ who never made tithe compulsory for financial success

We are expected to emulate the good things Abraham did which include faith in God and keeping Gods commandments ,and we have faith in God already through Christ, Then why should we belittled ourselves to pay tithe like Abraham ?

Point of correction, christians don't give tithe to worship, they give tithe so that God will open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing without them working for it.
They also give tithe because they want God to rebuke the devourer for their sake. Meaning, anything that devours their finances God should rebuke it.

Do you know what worship entails?
It entails worshipping God in spirit and in truth(if you know what that means)
Not in tithes

No one is saying compete with dangote, all we are saying is, there is a general principle of financial success for everyone (irrespective of whether you are christian or Muslim or anything) And that principle is learn first, then work.
Certainly not tithing

If you are tithing you don't work, then poverty for you.
Period!!

If you work, whether you tithe or not, you will see wealth so long you know what you doing (i am a testimony for that i don't need to go church to testify)

If you think tithe is what is making you wealthy (because that's what they told in church which is not scriptural or applicable to reality) Then you are being scammed by pastors and you need your bible

petra1:
Was Abraham a Jew ?

The Jews were his decendants atleast you can't deny that one

petra1:
There was Melchizedek order, then there was levitical order ,and now what we have is order of Melchizedek and Christ is our high priest

That's true
And Christ which is our priest owns this covenant that we all belong to
Not Melchizedek.
Covenant is far greater than mere order

petra1:
You mentioned compulsion not me.




I didn't either you did . We don't tithe on the basis of the law



Yes. Jesus is our high priest in the order of Melchizedek

Mind you
In the order of Melchizedek
And not in Melchizedek
They are two different things

You can't be in Christ and be in Melchizedek at the same time.

Jesus says I'm the way
That implies he is the only way

petra1:
Are the Jews saved? Are you following Jews ? The Christians are the worshippers of God

The Jews were the once paying tithe in the bible and you are saying you are following their abrahamic tithe and you are paying till this day, hence you are the one following them

petra1:
Read my post . I explained . Tithe is a principle that's what counts . Our tithes are Abrahamic not mosaic

Let me quickly let you know who Abraham was in Gods sight incase you don't know

John 10:6-8, 10, 19 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

I'm taking time to explain this parable of Jesus because it's possible that you have read it before and you did not understand, including adeboye and oyedepo.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

All refers to all prophets and founders of all religions that came before christianity(the new covenant through Christ) was founded, these religions include Judaism(The Abrahamic covenant or the old covenant)

John 10:8 The thief(all religions that came before Jesus Christ including Abrahams covenant) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come( christianity has come) that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

SO YOU SEE NOW, ABRAHAM IS A THIEF, THEN HOW WILL YOU NOW BEGIN TO ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH A THIEF BY CLAIMING YOU ARE EMULATING ABRAHAM TITHE PAYING AS CHRISTIAN THIS MODERN-DAY WHEN JESUS HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE LEAST PERSON (you and me) IN GODS KINGDOM IS GREATER THAN JOHN THE BAPTIST INCLUDING ABRAHAM? ARE YOU NOT DEGADING YOURSELF LIKE THAT? REASON AM NOW

I'm very sure this is what Adeboye and oyedepo has failed to consider or they deliberately not bother to look into this, how will they when they are enjoying the tithe money?

Another thing they fail to see is, in that scripture the contention here is between christianity and other religions who came before christianity and not between God and Satan as today churches will put it. That the thief here refers to the devil.

If you look down to verse 19 see what happened after Jesus finished saying the parable

John10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

Who were the Jews?
They were defendants of Abraham who carried the old covenant as a result their religion was Judaism not christianity.
Remember Jesus told them at a time BEFORE ABRAHAM THEIR FATHER WAS, I AM, and they wanted to stone him. John 8:58

John 8:33
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

THE VERY DAY YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS TITHE THING THAT IS THE DAY YOU WILL BE FREE FROM IT.

And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free .

I give dangote as an example, he is a Muslim, how many tithe is he paying? Yet if combine the wealth of adeboye and oyedepo they will not reach half of his own.
And there are several other christians who have been paying tithe since,yet they are still living in abject poverty.
Obviously, what is giving fortune to tithe payers who comes out in church to testify is not tithe.
It is the work of their hands.

SO LETS ENCOURAGE HARDWORK AMONG CHURCH MEMBERS AND NOT SOME MONEY MIRACLE CALLED TITHE WHICH DO NOT EXIST IN REALITY

petra1:
Tithes and offering to God are fraud?

Google it and tell me
Are the Jews who are descendants of Abraham still paying tithe till this day?

petra1:
Tithe will always be tithe. Offerings will always be offering

Then the fraud continues

Since the pastors are remaining mute obviously they don't know what to say
DADDY FREEZE is winning the debate.
DADDY FREEZE!!
DADDY FREEZE!!
DADDY FREEZE!!!!

[quote author=Konquest post=62202133][/quote]Adeboye's sins.
1. Adeboye did not quote any scripture as Daddy freeze did. That means daddy freeze was right.
2. Adeboye, knowing who Daddy freeze was (a radio broadcaster and public figure) keeps addressing him as ONE FELLOW not willing to recognize him. That is called spiritual arrogance( if there is anything like that). It shows that the man is not interested in knowing any other person.
3. Adeboye practically deviated from the main issue( tithe) and was analysing how drinking alcohol in church is madness.

Now what did Jesus do?
Jesus recognises every public figure in his time, he was that humble.

John the Baptist was a public figure.
The man Jesus attended his wedding to change water into wine was a public figure.

petra1:
It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid . But in truth there is a provision under the law to use a tithe for feast and eating .

THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )

Pastors should better change the name of the collection to support and remove the name tithe o.

They should also start telling church members that there three different kind of tithes (which I'm sure adeboye and oyedepo have never heard about) and specify which particular one Malachi talked about.

If you say it's the duty of church members to read and learn that for themselves then you are not being fair to the Nigerian church whose the vast majority cannot read and write yet they pay tithe.
So what were they paying pastors for if not for them to enlighten church members?

The funny thing about African mindset is,
They come out boldly without shame to say I'm a proud tither.
If they are asked
Why do you tithe?
They will say
1. I don't know
2. It pays like mmm and naira bet.
3. My life has changed since i started tithing
4. I don't want to rob God
5. I tithe because I'm loyal to my pastor

Imagine the kind of mumu mumu reasons they giving.

No one is saying that they tithe because they saw christians in the bible tithing.
No one is saying they tithe because Jesus commanded that christians should tithe
No one is saying that they tithe because early disciples like Paul and Peter and all early christians became rich through tithing.

They forget that Jesus indicated that the least person in Gods kingdom is greater than John the Baptist and all the old testament prophets who paid tithe including Malachi

Now i understand why Africans are third world
Black monkeys

Now, whatever you are doing in life there is no reasonable explanation for it, it's a sign that you are very primitive in this modern era when there is wisdom and understanding.
You can choose to continue to be mumu it's your choice.

In the midst of this mumu-ness, thank God there are few others who are getting sense

The funny thing about African mindset is,
They come out boldly without shame to say I'm a proud tither.
If they are asked
Why do you tithe?
They will say
1. I don't know
2. It pays like mmm and naira bet.
3. My life has changed since i started tithing
4. I don't want to rob God
5. I tithe because I'm loyal to my pastor

Imagine the kind of mumu mumu reasons they giving.

No one is saying that they tithe because they saw christians in the bible tithing.
No one is saying they tithe because Jesus commanded that christians should tithe
No one is saying that they tithe because early disciples like Paul and Peter and all early christians because rich through tithing.

They forget that Jesus indicated that the least person in Gods kingdom is greater than John the Baptist and all the old testament prophets who paid tithe including Malachi

Now i understand why Africans are third world
Black monkeys

Now, whatever you are doing in life there is no reasonable explanation for it, it's a sign that you are very primitive in this modern era when there is wisdom and understanding.
You can choose to continue to be mumu it's your choice.

In the midst of this mumu-ness, thank God there are few others who are getting sense

Desyner:
Then report the person to God and let God handle a ''wasteful'' spender.

As if God do not know about them?
It's just that everyone have the right to spend their money anyhow they want it

Desyner:
They always remain foølish to a føol.
Out of the unbelief and abundance of the heart they challenge God as to His choice of who He blesses.
If you castigate this man and challenge him what of Bill Gates etc?
Don't forget Solomon used the best of hands and material for God's house.

God don't require best hands of buildings anymore how long are going to understand that?
Our body is already God's temple

Statsocial:
Bishop Oyedepo Dedicates N1 Billion Church Built By A Single Member

CELEBRATION AS Bishop Oyedepo DEDICATES #1 BILLION (1 Billion naira) Winners' Chapel 1,000 seat capacity facility at Victoria Garden City, Lekki, Ajah, Lagos built singlehandedly by Church member.

Bishop Oyedepo yesterday commissioned/dedicated the new Winners' Chapel facility at VGC. It should be remembered that up until now, the Bishop has maintained that a central church at Ota remains his mandate. However, one church member, a pastor, who chose to remain anonymous took up the gauntlet and procured property, built and delivered the whole facility to the church for free as his contribution to the Mandate to liberate the world from all oppression of the devil through the preaching of the Word of Faith. Bishop Oyedepo had announced this development in Church during the annual Youth Convention in August 2017.

The facility will continue to hold only weekly services until such a time as the Bishop receives the instruction to allow satellite centres within Lagos to run sunday services.

The Church of God is marching on and the gates of hell shall not prevail

Op, the devil that is oppressing church members at canan land, ota, it's till there.
The people there are poor (inspite the saying that their case is different).
Recession in the country is tearing their soul apart,
Hunger is showing in their eyes even when they smile in church.
Are you sure this new facility will not evently attract hunger to VGC residence?
Because, certainly it is the same kind of word of faith at ota that will be preached there.
Let's forget fine building

BlaqCoffee109:
So educate us on the something different...i am not a "Church" person...but i came in contact with reality.If you were deceived by whatsoever,the Scriptures are there...Now how would you explain Joseph revealing himself to his brothers but first taking in his egyptian bride to the mount Olive prophecy in tandem with Rev 14?

We were not talking about Joseph, he came up with rapture which is a pure misconception adopted by many christians, but today educated christians are gradually understanding all figurative languages of the bible which are not something hidden anymore(as pastors are presenting them in churches today thereby putting a vast number of people in confusion),cos Jesus says nothing is hidden under the sun that will not come to manifest.
People are gradually knowing the truth about rapture.
The word rapture is not found anywhere in the bible.
All the scriptures that were used to arive at the fictional doctrine were all stressing on something else totally different.
Rather, humans were to remain on this earth and replish it, which is the original sensible reason God created man(Adam) in Genesis, which we all are already into by default.
Loving our fellow humans, profounding solutions to problems politically or otherwise and living happily here on earth forever(The kingdom of God is already on earth right now as we are talking. Col 1:13)
And not to be raptured into mystery.
A scripture says by one man(Adam) sin came to the earth and by one man(Christ) sin was taken away from the earth.
So Christ did not come to earth to die in vain at the end everything is been destroyed one day by rapture.
If you have anything to tell us about Joseph in relation to revelation i know nothing about that

That's why I when i entered this thread on the 26th, I say I COMMENT MY RESERVE
meaning, i reserve my comment.
MMM is still on with 100% only that matching partipants is a much slower now, but it will pick up very soon.
Nigerians keep saying what they don't know.
Nigerian press are just pressing pressure paper fake review over what they did not investigate.
Na wa o .
Shee bi dem don keep quiet now as they did January and august this year when mmm went down

BlaqCoffee109:
My dear before you crucify him,read,study,meditate on Revelation 12 vs 1-5; Revelation 14 vs 1-4(this is the first harvest,these are the first fruit;the rapture)...Compare with 1 Thess 4 vs 15-17.On an overview of events soon to be witnessed, study the entirety of Revelation Chapters 12-18.He is not fear mongering,he is only enlightening the ignorant and careless of whats reality,GOD's standard...look around you,perceive events world wide...its started,be ready.Btw this is GOD's Word not Roman Catholic doctrine...HIS Word,HE keeps.

I have read all those scriptures before, they are all talking about something else, not rapture OK.
We were all deceived by churches .
For instance, 1 the 4:15-17 was talking about resurrection of the dead (if you read the whole 1thes 4 to the end you will understand).
Rev 12 and Rev 14 are all figurative languages representing what John saw in his vision, not rapture .
So that guy is not educating anything, he will only succeed in putting few christians in confusion and fear. He is ignorant