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Tobechuckwu:(your statement)You quoted Luke 7vs28,do you why the least in the kingdom of God greater than John the baptist? Those in the old testament, the spirit of God(holy spirit) neva lived in them permanently as we have him now,he came upon them nd left! i never disputed this (your statement)Secondly,you said Abraham was not a Christian then,yes I agree,but who is the father of faith you use as a Christian now!Without faith,it is impossible to please God!U called God's friend a thief nd a robber!U have forgotten that Abraham was the first man to pay tithe! it was jesus that called him thief, remember abraham had the old covenant long before jesus came with the new covenant. read john 10:8 Thirdly,Christianity started after d death nd resurrection of Jesus christ!There was no Christian when Jesus walked the earth. Lastly,every scripture was giving by the inspiration of the holy ghost!He is d same yesterday, today nd forever! i never disputed this one too so you see, everything you said you agree with me(except you want to disagree with jesus when he called abraham thief), then at the same time you pity me ![]() you are funny o |
MightySparrow:it is even the devil that misunderstand when God says i change not by taking it to mean that God did not change his covenant, therefore lets keep continue with the old order of doing things which is obviously why afrca is still backward you will simply remain in that bondage, dont follow the philosophy of jesus first. ![]() |
aydes:you say old testament and new testament is one? that means you are saying that old covenant and new covenant is one. if it is so, then what is the essence of the new covenant? if the laws of the old covenant were so that perfect why did jesus came to die? please help me explain this parable matthew 3:10 AND ALSO THE AXE IS LAID UNTO THE ROOT OF THE TREES, THEREFORE EVERY TREE WHICH BRINGETH NOT FORTH GOOD FRUIT IT IS HEWN(CUT) DOWN AND CAST INTO THE FIRE? What is the axe? what are trees? |
Tobechuckwu:who is this one? ![]() you pity me, then you agree with me, na wa o |
aydes:Thank God you say in those days, Not this present day . You will never quote anywhere in new testament to support tithe. The devil have taken advantage of this ignorance to Robb the church financially for many decades now. But not in this modern day again where there is knowledge and understanding |
petra1:Tithe can never never be kingdom principles. That is what they told you, but they fail to see the contradiction there. And you accepted it because you don't know what Jesus meant by the kingdom. If you really want to understand these things, look at the time frame. Old testament and their laws and prophets were never time for the kingdom of God. Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women(including all the prophets of the old testament or old covenant) there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God(in Christianity) is greater than he(John the Baptist) You know what that means? Assuming John the Baptist thought tithing as a principle when he was baptising people, then he would not have thought it under the dispensation of grace, which is Christianity, how much more Malachi and all the old prophets? OK, if Exodus 22:28 was only for the Jews? No, it is also a universal law. Even Jesus says in Matt 5:22 ......if you tell your brother "thou fool" you will be in danger of hell fire. So, curse or abuse is a universal sin. Abraham was never a Christian he never had that privilege. Infact Abraham founded Judaism (the religion of the Jews which is the old covenant). And Jesus founded Christianity later. (If you understand Daniels prophecy when he saw the huge statue in his dream ) John 10:7-8 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep (the Jews, not Christians o) All that ever came before me(including Abraham) are thieves and robbers: but the sheep(the Jews) did not hear them. So Abraham is a thief and robber. And you know what happens to thieves and robbers? They die!! In, summary, Abraham, all the prophets of the old and their tithes nor reach. Them be small small bois. So don't belittle yourself paying tithe as a Christian. If dangote who is a Muslim never go to church to pay tithe one day, yet he is the richest man, don't you think you can make your money without tithe? When ever any pastor want you to pay tithe, he goes to old testament. They are called old testament pastors, everywhere in Nigeria. They forget that old testament is Torah (holy book of judaism) |
aydes:Is house of God used in old testament the same thing as church? What is church? When Jesus says i will build my church what did he meant? Is church actually a house or building for storing... Storing tithe money used to feed the poor? |
petra1:Exactly! But you know the rule has always been that if you don't tithe you are robbing God, gotten from Malachi. That rule has indirectly rendered it compulsory in churches because nobody want to be seen robbing God. |
petra1:There is no correlation between the scripture you quoted with Malachi. The scripture you quoted is a universal law and it applies to everyone(Christians or Jews), Malachi's tithing was a law only for the Jews. That analogy of yours do not follow |
petra1:Sacrifices! If it is the money you are giving from your heart not because you were compelled or obligated, No problem. Tithing has been obligated and it has become liability to church members. This is wrong |
ubongoton:I'm not putting any confusion, it's just that we all fail to think. Malachi said try this... Was he talking to Christians? No! were you there when he was saying it? No! Then how come, all of a sudden it is working for you? Something obviously is wrong there . All I'm saying is, whatever is working for you, it is not your tithe that is causing it to work |
lifeispeace:Op, I must say you ask a very intelligent question. First of all the bible never mentioned evolution talkess of kicking against it in any it chapter or verse. Secondly, there are lot of figurative languages in the bible one of which may have been used to describe how long it took God to create Adam(not just 1 day out of the 7 days recorded in Genesis, as this may be used for the understanding of people of bible days, not for people of this current day where people are getting understanding of evolution. Because, at the time of ignorance God overlooked. Act17:30). Example of such figurative languages is a prayer Moses made in : Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past(as one day), and as a watch in the night. Imagine that! So, the bible is not in anyway against evolution, even God himself may have been evolving. Thirdly, Charles Darwin says new species arises from pre-existing species (not necessarily means that all pre-existing species have gone into extinction). Hence, the saying that humans must have been evolved from monkeys. And we can still see monkeys around, why can't we then see serpents that have limbs around? So, if God says he was cursing the serpent, does that not literally means that he was subjecting the serpent into evolution to become limbless over time? You have your brain now, you can think ![]() |
Pastors are good at quoting Malachi 3:10 a lot when they want to distort innocent and ignorant church members. Beware of your pastor irrespective of his large church. Please note that prophet Malachi was a prophet in old testament therefore, he was an inferior prophet to us who are christians.(Luke 7:28) He should therefore not be used to detect how Christians should live their lives in this modern day. |
Goodlyhrt:You had all those misfortune not because you stopped paying tithe but because you stopped going to church for a long time. When you put yourself in a situation were most people you interact with are your church members, the day you stop going to church you will loose those interactions, and whatever help you have been benefiting from such interactions will all fade away, then you start suffering thinking that you are suffering because you stopped paying tithe Or sometimes, you stop paying tithe, church members will notice and they will stop being your friend especially those that are paying |
shadeyinka:I like you, You are thinking. First of all, any christian still thinking that his ultimate goal is to achieve eternity with Christ, then he has a misplaced priority. He does not know why he is a Christian in the first place. So he is constantly cheated. By pastors. Come to church today Come to church tomorrow. He becomes a religious bigot. Your ultimate goal as a Christian is to replenish this earth, that was the mandate God gave Adam from the beginning. The issue of eternity has already been solved at the cross,JESUS says it is finished. What aspect of religion did the thief performed? The aspect of religion he performed was to believe that Jesus is the Christ which he expressed openly on the cross. Remember, I say the moment you believe in something you are already into religion. Infact, to God, the believe that God do not exist is already a religion like that. You can't deceive God. Everybody have what they believe in, Some people are idol worshippers, Idol is their religion. That's why God was against the Israelites from going into idol worshiping, Because they had a covenant with him which was their religion known as Judaism today. Some people are Muslims, Islam is their religion. We are christians, Christianity is our religion. So, when Jesus was saying I'm the way, he was simply saying that Christianity is the way and not any other religion. Because Christianity was later associated with him and his resurrection. Without resurrection no Christianity No salvation. All those parables he will say the kingdom of God is like unto... He was referring to the Christian religion which was later established at the cross. Question : what is God's kingdom? Answer : God's kingdom is simply Christianity. The last example you gave correlate with what I'm saying. It's like while we were yet sinners Christ came to die, and we are justified not by works but by the Christian faith which is the religion |
Shawl001:I did not say that their preachers are always right, Infact religion is a major problem to their society so they don't need Africans to come and add to the problem they already have. Every doctrine that is of the right interpretation will have a positive impact to the society. Nigeria is where we are today because the popular doctrines, especially among protestants, are not verifiable or correlate with scriptures by common sense. For instance, someone is saying Christianity is not a religion but a way of life. And when you scrutinize that statement you discover it's deception geared at making people believe that one can live a superior lifestyle away from the natural order of living designed by nature. So, a lot of christians don't work but they expect supernatural blessings from church activities of praying fire prayer and shouting amen to every prophecies of pastors. It's a pity |
Shawl001:It's now you are talking truth. Christianity is simply life of God in man. It is a religion that gives the life of God to men. And, Show me the contradiction there? Just one. The way you now say it is better. A lot of people will misinterprete you that you mean good standard of living through Christ. You see that they have been deceiving us in Africa a lot. It seems we are not intelligent enough to understand bible. And this Christianity we are practicing is not African but was brought to us by white men. They practice the same religion and their lives are better but we Africans are turning things upside down for ourselves. What you believe here, you can't go to London to preach it. You will be sanctioned. Ask oyedepo and adeboye who have tried it. I do not dispute the fact that you have the life of God in you. But that life is spiritually embedded and cannot be physically detected by people observing your lifestyle. That's what makes you spiritually minded and not canally(physically) minded. If not, you will hear about christians living their lives without making any mistake or sin which is practically impossible. 1John 1:8. Whatever lifestyle you think you are living, you have a comfortable house, car, office and a lovely family. You are not the first. Infact, there are billions of athiests, Muslims, Hindus, Jews who are enjoying the same |
shadeyinka:Ok, Other religions is BELIEF in a god which includes activities of men while Christianity is BELIEF in God having some aspect of religion in it? So, what's the difference between the two since there are BELIEF factor in both and Christianity having a aspect of the other? If you want to tell me you can practice Christianity by practicing the teachings of Jesus Christ of showing love to people without showing any sign of religious activities like going to church, praying in public etc, I 100% agree with you . But even with that you are still into religion for simply the fact that you believe in God |
Shawl001:Keep deceiving yourself not considering that there is change of times hence change of vocabulary among men over time. You are in 2017 reading a book called bible that was documented more than 2000 years ago and you are searching for a word RELIGION used in this modern day in place of the words FAITH, KINGDOM, ETERNAL LIFE, COVENANTetc(which were one and the same thing), used in bible days. You better update yourself or bible will remain confused to you forever. Question:Who started Judaism the religion of the Jews? Answer: Abraham Genesis 17:2 And I will make my covenant(religion) between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Hence Abraham was justified by his religion. Romans 4:1-3. Now, God has rejected the old covenant and lifted the new covenant (Christianity) to save mankind such that, just like the way Abraham was justified by his religion, we are also justified by our religion Christianity without works. If you go down to that Romans 4. Romans 4:24. But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25. Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. So when i hear people defining faith as the substance of things hoped for..... I laugh. That is incomplete definition. Faith is simply Christianity. If you travel abroad and you are asked what is your faith? It means, what is your religion? Question: who started Christianity? Answer : Jesus Christ. How? Because he brought the faith that justified people into eternal life through his death and resurrection. So Christianity did not start at Antioch Christianity started immediately after his resurrection with 120 people at Pentecost. Act1:19. The religion only got the name Christianity at Antioch. Antioch did not save anybody. It is Christ that saves |
I have to screenshot this Facebook page. The question is, are these pastors involved in this of some folks are posturing as them to deceive people?
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Shawl001:Whether it is the God or a god the dictionary defined it as religion so long that believe factor is there . The moment you believe in anything whether it is THE GOD or a god you are automatically into religion. So,christianity is religion. Note the the word religion is our common day use. In bible days it was the word FAITH that was used. For instance, we were justified by faith simply means we were justified by religion? What religion? The christian religion. Remember,Jesus is the founder of the Christian religion. He founded the religion to justify men before God. So,put that into consideration |
Shawl001:Op, define religion from English dictionary? The last time i checked, RELIGION the belief in a God or in a group of gods ,an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a God or a group of gods. How does Christianity different from this definition or are you anti-education? |
I love this thread, I'm so learning a lot |
MrPresident1:Absolutely correct, Only that, most people with faith are currently ignorant of what faith is all about |
GoodMuyis:Obviously, you need a psychiatrist ![]() It's people like you that are causing non christians to castigate Jesus Christ and Christianity and you are saying they are persecuting the church |
GoodMuyis:Do not come up with all these crabs to beg the question, I have seen the topic and I am in line with it. i did not ask the question to disprove the existence of God. ![]() Simple question! How does speaking in tongues help the speaker and humanity in this modern day where technology have been helping people? Why will you so stress yourself killing yourself to hunger, yet nobody is benefiting? No answer! I expected you to sincerely say i don't know why, perhaps you were brainwashed by some church beliefs. Rather, you are begging the question by bringing a video to prove the existence of God which i never disputed Na wa o ![]() Let me say this, There has never been a time in the history of mankind that a man spoke in tongues and it invoked the help of God. We are the ones to use our brain and effort to help ourselves and others. So, all your speaking in tongues to weakness and collapsing are mere spiritual exercises which can never be translated to the physical and you are seen to be a lunatic person except you interprete what you are saving and there is positive impact ![]() |
GoodMuyis:After praying in tongues in this modern day(because you forget that bible days was ancient times, and at the time of ignorance of men God overlooked) what are your justification and benefits today? A lot of scientists and analysts of success have done their researches and have invented technology and written books which have help other people to succeed in life, They are not ignorant again. How is speaking in tongues now help other people and yourself? |
brighttech95:Thanks |
Sexina851: this not Jw. let me ask you these questions, do we Nigerians have common sense compared to europians? Yes or no. IsChristianity originated here in Nigeria? If the answers to these questions are no, then Nigerians should start crying and mourning because, these foreign religions(Christianity and Islam) we have adopted to teach us moral values have holy books that is beyond our capacity to understand, Hence, we remain fantastically corrupt nations. You see now, you are not even understanding anything in my post that's why it is JW and non sense to you. ![]() we all understand that JW are confused people, but white men can never be confused. I got this from their bible study and they are very very correct. Or prove me wrong anywhere ![]() Nigerians, we mumu die Na primitivity be our problem Nor be any witchcraft |
Nbote:Yes, it's screen overlay. Thanks for your response |
luvmijeje:Ofcourse i will not ![]() Obviously i will be killed the way Jesus was killed. Others are thriving well as pastors and are making so much money because, they are preaching what people want to hear, not necessarily following every steps of the scripture meticulously to arrive at a logical conclusion. Hence, the economic and social sphere in Africa keeps deteriorating. They are shouting change change but nobody is ready to accept new principles and way of life th ;Dat will change the current mindset of the people. So, I'm so much satisfied seeing nothing is affecting me negatively ![]() |
luvmijeje:1. Exactly, that is the scripture! Many were called to follow him to Jerusalem where he will be crucified, hence there were about 5000 disciples who followed him, who eat bread and fishes he provided miraculously on their way to Jerusalem, But the moment they got to Jerusalem and he was about to be crucified they all ran away, even Peter who promised his royalty to death denied him 3 times. but at the end few disciples were chosen among the crowd. These are the disciples who saw him after his resurrection and they were just 120 out of the over 5000 who followed his on their way to Jerusalem. So Jesus never called many after his resurrection rather he called many before his crucifixion. But before he was crucified, he prophesied using parables that the few people representing Christianity after his resurrection will grow, nobody understood what he was saying until he died and resurected. Luke 13:18-19 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God(Christianity) like? and whereunto shall I resemble it(Christianity)? It(Christianity) is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man(Jesus himself because he founded Christianity) took, and cast into his garden(this earth); and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air(people of all nations) lodged in the branches of it(Christianity). This was his prophecy, they never understood. 2. It's not that the disciples will enter the kingdom tomorrow, they have already entered the kingdom of God Since 2000 years ago, few of them, and we are already in that kingdom which is Christianity. Think you will understand ![]() 3.He used the word gather together as if he was saying parable, gather was a figurative statement which means collection of chrisrians worldwide, not necessarily gathering. 4.Yes, I explained that in question 1,many disciples were called to follow him before the crucifixion but after the crucifixion few of them were able to make it into the kingdom hence few were chosen. Today, that few have grown to billions of people. Luke 13:23-24 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate(the gate of Christianity where salvation lies which is the point of crucifixion at Jerusalem because,these people were never yet christians): for many,(among these disciples) I say unto you, will seek to enter(Christianity), and shall not be able. Do you understand it now? He was talking to his disciples at that time, not us this current day Christians, we are already in, we are far better than them. 5. Yes, and i said sound of the trumpet is like a parable in the context of that scripture which literally means to call or gather people into Christianity worldwide by preaching, not necessarily using trumpet. Have you ever read another sound of the trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52? That one is a different kind of call entirely in the context of that scripture. Non of these sound of the trumpets was used to represent rapture as asserted by today christians. I will suggest that in your spare time, go back and read the book of Matthew and take it down to revelation, it will help you have a full understanding what the whole new testament is all about ![]() |
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