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4reala:
That's not what d Bible teaches.

So, the Bible teaches that the man should pay bride price first before he is regarded as husband?
Where in the Bible?

4reala:
That is cohabitation and not marriage, and its very very wrong

Why is it wrong? They love each other and are ready to start a family

4reala:
RCCG SUNDAY SCHOOL MANUAL
LESSON THIRTY-SEVEN
SUNDAY, 14TH MAY, 2017
TOPIC: CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE
MEMORY VERSE: ‘’And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man." - Genesis 2:23
BIBLE PASSAGE: Genesis 2:21-25
INTRODUCTION:
The marriage institution was ordained by God as part of the essential process of life. It is one of the fundamental and basic sacraments in the Christian church. It is the oldest institution which God Himself established at the beginning of creation. It is the bedrock of the church. We should approach marriage with dignity as a sacred and divine institution (Hebrews 13:4).
LESSON OUTLINES
1. The reason for marriage
2. Marriage is for adults
THE REASON FOR MARRIAGE
There are various reasons people go into marriage relationship. The first principal reason for Christian marriage is for mutual fellowship. Loneliness is not good. It is dangerous. The Lord saw the man needed companionship, hence, the creation of woman (Genesis 2:18-22, 24). There are exceptions according to the Apostle Paul in 1Corinthians 7:32. Secondly, God made us with sexual desires that are good, holy and legitimate but must only be satisfied in marriage. This will also check the sinful life of adultery or fornication (1Corinthians 7:12). Thirdly, to obey the command of God, which is to be fruitful, multiply, propagate the human race and replenish the earth through child bearing/rearing in the fear of God (Genesis 1:28; 9:1; Proverbs 22:6). Fourthly, two are better than one because they have a good reward for their labour (Eccles. 4:9-11). Lastly, it takes two (a man and a woman) to make "one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).
MARRIAGE IS FOR ADULTS
Anyone who wants to marry must be matured physically and should have attained the age of accountability. Financially, the intending couple, especially the man, should be strong enough to provide for a household (1Timothy 5:. They should also be mentally and emotionally balanced (Titus 1:. Marriage requires a separation from parents (Mark 10:6-9). It carries a lot of responsibilities that childish minded persons cannot bear (1Samuel 25:18-25). A good Christian marriage also requires the consent and blessing of parents of both parties (Genesis 24:50-51, 59-60).
CONCLUSION:
Marriage is a holy institution and God is the author. He has set the ideals in the Bible. Anyone who fails to apply these will surely have problems with their homes. Let us pray for the success of all Christian marriages worldwide.
QUESTIONS
1. Give reasons for marriage?
2. Who is qualified to marry?

When the man cannot afford to do the marriage ceremony and pay her bride price,yet they agreed to live together, is it marriage?

OtemAtum:
It's as if you don't understand the DOCTUFOS predictions. Let me explain to you: they said that Yahweh the god of Juda would be the god to be widely worshipped for two thousand years, and his worship shall be the last of the worship of the gods before people will start to abandon it for the Highest Consciousness called God Almighty, the creator of Yahweh. Now the prophecy that Yahweh will be the last of the gods to be worshipped has already been fulfilled and the one that says that the Revelation of the true God, the father of Yahweh, shall come to end all religions is what we are now experiencing. People are now realising that Yahweh is not God the Almighty. Check everywhere now, people are realising that they should not worship a god. People are becoming conscious that they are the part and parcel of God Almighty the creator of Yahweh. More people are abandoning religion every day by day. And by the year 2625, we will have a very high population of the irreligious in our country.

Ok,
Now i know what the doctrine is all about.
That's true!
A lot of people have started having confidence on themselves rather than on religion,knowing that God lives in them and they are part of the true God

OtemAtum:
Yahweh didn't predict anything. Pls quote a passage to back that up. However, Eusebius through the mouth of his fictitious character Jesus predicted that the gospel he wrote would be preached in all the world and then the whole world will come to an end. The gospel has been preached in every country in the world and the world did not come to an end. How about that? However, the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH also predicted that the world will not end even after the gospel of Eusebius has been preached all over the world. I will give you DOCTUFOS references to back this up.



Now observe the bolded, because it is now in fulfillment,because more and more people are beginning to see Yahweh as just one of the gods, whereas God the Universe, his creator is being seen as a matrix of all souls. There are more booktural passages to back it up.
Even Knoliud the light of God the Universe had predicted the reign of Yahweh his kid brother millions of years ago. See for yourself:

This DOCTUFOS, correlate with Bible predictions in most aspect,only that, i sense there is a clash between the identity of Yahweh in DOCTUFOS with the identity of Yahweh in the Bible.
I think that's the problem.
Every other thing you say is perfectly correct except that Yahweh is the kid brother to the true God of the universe
I begin to wonder,how does this apply to reality?
But in christianity,we see Yahweh as the true God of the universe,whether he has elder brother it really do not matter because they are still one God,one spirit who pre determined existence. So our role is to worship that one God which we labelled Yahweh or Jesus Christ.
As for your claim that Yahweh did not predict anything in the Bible,
Google it, the parable of the mustards seed ,
Matthew 13:31-32
31 He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven(The Christian religion) is like a mustard seed, which a man(Jesus christ himself) took and planted in his field(this earth we are living)
32 Though it(the christian religion) was the smallest of all seeds(religions), yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”
THIS WAS PREDICTED BY JESUS CHRIST IN ONE OF HIS PARABLES 2000 YEARS AGO EVEN BEFORE CHRISTIANITY WAS ESTABLISHED which correlate with the message of Meloch and Nikon to Emperor Heron in your Doctufos.
So, you can see that THE GOD OF THAT JUDA, is actually Yahweh, the true God of the universe.
Then, what I'm asking you is, when you googled it,how come that what you saw as the largest religion is not your Doctufos religion but you saw christianity?
Then obviously,that prediction was for christianity and not any other religion
Talking about Jesus predicting the end of the world, Jesus did not predict any end of the world,rather he says, his kingdom has no end

Oloruntobi4382:
Biko, i know that xtians have the highest number but does number prove anything? besides christianity itself is divided. Christianity gained it's popularity also through it's bloody history of wars.

I know,
We are divided,
We were evil,
We killed Galleleo.
Many athiests came out of christianity,
But inspite all these,there is something superior that still increasing our number.
Have you ever wondered why?
Christians were never perfect people but Yahweh remains perfect

hopefulLandlord:
Christian, and your point is

Read my last comment,you will get it

OtemAtum:
This means that 2000 years ago when Zeus followers were more in number, Yahweh was not the supreme God by then, because he has lesser followers. Religion is indeed the opium of the masses. That APC has more members doesn't still make it a better party than the untested KOWA party.

Spiritual politics indeed...

When zeus followers were more in number 2000 years ago ,Yahweh predicted in the Bible that his followers will outnumbered that of zeus and all religions inspite all the persecution of early Christians, and that prediction has come to pass. THE FACT THAT HIS PREDICTION HAS COME TO PASS,WHICH WAS CLEARLY DOCUMENTED IN THE BIBLE, IS THE PROOF THAT YAHWEH REMAINS THE ONLY GOD.
Tell me any other god who has said something about humans years ago,and that thing has come to pass such that i can google it today?
What is that thing that the god has said?
I want to know.
now,you have googled the proofproof today and that fact will remain true forever because the number is still increasing.
You want logic? You have seen it now

Oloruntobi4382:
"For i YHWH, is a jealous god"

The question is who is Yahweh jealous of? Is it lifeless statues or his creations or other living gods like him?

To introduce myself, i'm a pantheist. I believe in the existence of other gods and that every humans have a spark of God in them.

The logic used by christians to prove that Joshua and his father Yahweh is/are the only living god is based on the following:

* Faith.
* The holy book is from above.

We have many tablets(e.g the sumerians one), scrolls, theories, myths, e.t.c that profess their various deities. Christians are no different from others, since others can also put their logic into use.

It is evident that the bible is a pirated and poorly written book. Most of their ideas were gotten from ancient egyptians( horus/jesus), sumerians (the flood, tower of babel, eden, e.t.c) tablets and mythology.

Christians have no prove that Yhwh is the only god and that Odin, Xango, Horus, and other gods never existed...

Do you want proof?
I am going to start by asking you this simple question.
Google it and tell me the answer,
Which religion of the world has the highest number of adherents?

Pleaze dont be born again.
There is nothing like being born again in this era that we are living.
Rather,be a Christian.
It is far better than to be a Christian than to be born again

HDVideos:
Lets ask questions

Why does our Naira notes all have Arabic on them?

Why does our Army and other millitary parasatals have arabic on their unifrom and logo?

Why is our National assembly building and all other buildings shaped as a mosque?

Why is our Flag having green as a basic colour just as all other islamic countries, is it because it is on record in Islam that Green is Mohammeds best colour? look at saudi arabias flag, pakistan, morocco, libya etc

I am not a fanatic but I want a secular Nigeria not a Islam Country.

Read the history of Turkey and Iran.. you would shake for our country.

I think you are asking these questions to obtain realistic answers and not to point out that those Arabic inscriptions were proves that the country has been islamised.
The reason why you see those Arabic inscriptions is because,they are there to interprete basic objectives to the understanding of the average illiterate northerner who never had western education but Islamic education,and not in anyway to islamise the nation.
If you stay in the North you will understand properly Properly what i am talking about.
If you write 1,4,7 or ABC the average illerate northerner don't know what you write. But put it in Arabic they will understand

IHate9ja1:
What's your reason for this?

It's simple,
The leaders of churches,mosques and traditional institutions of the Nigerian family and religions could not develop a better curriculum for moral teachings,hence we are unconsciously fantastically corrupt people, all Nigerians. a characteristics that reflects in us the moment we are entitled to political power

Joey82:
Yes, i go to church, i love God, infact most of the moments i live to remember most are the ones i knelt at the alter to pray fevently to God, i like communicating with God.

On d other hand i'm into the world, i have a lovely girlfriend, loves dancing and wont live without hearing worldly music, infact the hard core raps.

i'm caught in the web of two opposing ends and cant seem to consider which to dump. Any time i consider being born again, i cant help but imagine how to explain to ma chick, even if i find courage to explain, how can i stop listening to music that feeds ma soul and make ma world go round.

When i think about this and many other things i bcome afraid of giving ma life to christ, cos i feel earthly passion is still so much in me.

i dont know if somebody is in ma kinda shoes, what do i do to forsake all these earthly passions?

And who told you having a girlfriend or attracted to the opposite sex is sin?
Where in the scripture that was recorded that listening to only gospel music is recommended for Christians?
You see how religion has ended puting you in boundage of yourself?
please set yourself free
Enjoy your life, God has never been against anybody enjoying, infact, he created everything for you to enjoy. Music, hip hop, rock,friends, parties, a girl that loves you as much as you love her at this stage of your life, etc.
But ask yourself this question,
Is your relationship with this girl leading you to a sincere positive end? If not, you must have a rethink.
Is the secular music or jams you are listening to is influencing you to behave unreasonably in any way? If yes, and you think gospel music will inspire you to change attend, then you need a change and start eenjoying gospel musics only.
It's all depend on you it's your life.
Talking about being born again, the truth is,nobody,no pastor, no Christian or saint is actually born again.
Everybody are just deceiving themselves.
Don't join them.
Just be yourself, don't pretend anything, God loves you the way you are

fernandobush:
To understand Buhari's government and your English, I don't know which one is harder!!

Sorry, i never intend to quote you

hopefulLandlord:
religion

Undertakers,is this pastor coffin?

Let us not look at what is happening currently in Africa. Obviously,Africa is lost.
By conquest,the British missionaries introduced christianity to Africa, they failed to educate Africans first before preaching Bible.
Africans with their illiterate minds sustained the doctrines of missionaries even till this moment because,even the most educated African christian knows this teachings of end time or last day circulating in African churches till this moment,is a mirage spurn from inability of Africans to understand parables in the new testament.
Anyone who want to be educated first before picking up the Bible will sincerely ask, what are parables?
Parables are simply figurative languages,we were thought figure of speeches in schools,yet we are not making use of what we know to understand Bible even till this moment.
It's a pity.
In summary, 1 thes 4:16 and other scriptures do not teach any last day or end time, rather,the Bible teaches that Gods kingdom(heaven) is already on this earth today,and it will last forever. No end.
Think about it and fight for what bbelong to you, sue the government for not being accountable.
this earth is your right

If you came to Nigeria with your conscience as a foreigner the moment you start attending any church or mosque you will not know the time your conscience will be eroded away

lightblazingnow:
I made reference to what you commented about folks being afraid to comment



I said they know if they speak idoi words

Ok

lightblazingnow:
Not to you please

Ok

lightblazingnow:
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 12:37 For by your words you shalt be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

So how does this apply?
Can you explain how this scripture relate to my idle word to you?
Was i saying the idle word against Jesus or i was saying it against you?

zionmade:
Gal 4:1
1 pet 2:2
James 5:14
Even though i came up with some scriptures it doesn't still drive d points like i want to. Please go to internet and read about greek interpretations for sons and how they are used in d scriptures, u will understand better

Ok, i will do that

An2elect2:
LOL just tell me you are joking and we would have a good laugh together

I am not joking.
Faith is all about your religion.
Obviously,God is interested in the religion you belong and not what you do.
Do you know that old testament representing the old covenant was not christianity? That christianity started with Christ which is the new covenant.
Old testament was Torah,the book of the Jewish religion and not christianity.
Think about that

zionmade:
No bro there is something like spiritual growth.
D word sons or children in d bible can be translated in three greek words
Nebios, Hues, Tecknon
Nebios means babes, children, armatures
Tecknon mean full grown
Hues means adopted. When u talk of adopted u re talking of a son who is now fully matured to function in d stead of his father.
These classifications are not based on how many years u have been a Christian but ur level of spiritual growth

Do you have any scripture to support this claim?

lightblazingnow:
Remember every idoi words men shall speak

What do you mean ?
Are you insinuating that if i speak IDOI word, i will be consumed by fire and power

An2elect2:
Do you know there are false Christians too? I narrowed this down to false assurance and genuine assurance among people in Christendom

A false Christian is anybody who belongs to another religion eg a Muslim, coming among people in christendom,pretending he is one of them,whereas his heart is in Islam. We have cases like that among early christians the Bible, but we hardly see such these days.
But anybody who is truly a believer,whether he has false assurance or guinuine assurance of whatever in christendom. He can never be classified as a false Christian became he is justified by his Faith not by his works. This tells you that if a Christian brother commit a sin, hold him responsible, not God

There is desire in man to achieve growth in whatever physical positive thing he is doing and decine in the growth of whatever physical or concrete negative experiences.Hence, men desire to achieve financial growth,intellectual growth,physical growth.It is normal to all humans. But spiritual growth? i think it is unrealistic pursuit.
I understand that we all have the spirit of God in us as Christians, but there is no scripture in the Bible that indicates that the spirit in us grows.
Rather, what most of us think is spiritual growth is actually the same thing as acquiring new knowledge of the Bible.
For instance,if a man is gifted with the gift of miracles and he reads more of the Bible and suddenly realizes he has the gift and begins to use it to heal the sick and cast out demons,he has just acquired new knowledge. He did not grow spiritually, he is not even a spirit in the first place.
Now, i don't know why you go to church as a Christian,but if you are going to church in order to achieve spiritual growth, you of all men most miserable. Rather, let your desire be that, you should acquire wisdom which comes with knowledge and understanding

Is it that people afraid to comment?
Op, you have scared people with this power thing, this platform roof go tear. even athiests on nairaland have ran way.
What?

Take am easy o

An2elect2:
Oh!! What are you saying!!!

It will take someone who has read and summarize the whole New Testament and meditate deeply using his mental thinking without the influence of religious sentiments,to understand what i am saying here.

dallyemmy:
Luke 11:9-13New International Version (NIV)

9 “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

11 “Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[a] a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Ok

dallyemmy:
in the spirit realm there is Holy spirit (God's Spirit) and the Evil spirit. The flesh prefers to walk in accordance with the Evil Spirit. A Christian must walk in Holy Spirit. The other religions if they do not follow Holy Spirit would definitely gratify the flesh.

Im a muslim,i want to follow holy spirit, how do i do that?

An2elect2:
Thank you for this important question.
Before I say more, I want us to look at these things very diligently because they are not common things.

It's either we make our election sure or continue being deceived by our proud hearts. It is true that whosoever believes in Christ has eternal life. And it is also true that the faith that leads to salvation is of God.

Now believing in the finished work of Christ is possible through mental persuasion. You believe it in your head and still remain unsaved because it is with heart that we must believe and be saved. Romans 10:9

Yes the heart-believing! This isn't what you can do! Only God can wrought faith in you. How? Remember your heart is naturally wicked, deceitful and hard. It can't produce faith in God but it can deceive you into thinking you have the real thing!

For anyone to believe unto salvation he/she must be given a new heart of faith. And this is solely the work of God.

Jeremiah 24:7
I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the LORD; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart.

Ezekiel 36:26
Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and put a new spirit within them And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh

We must believe in our hearts before we declare we are saved.

Romans 10:9-11
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Paul isn't outlining a pattern for us to follow to obtain salvation but is simply saying how salvation works. Salvation isn't our work but God's work in totality. IT IS GOD THAT WORKS IN US TO DO AND TO WILL. of ourselves we cannot be saved

Romans 10:14-21
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

the people who obeyed the gospel were not seeking God! But they found God! Those whom God revealed Himself to were not asking God for it! How come!!!!

Only one person can do this!

John1:10-13
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

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My dear only God knows those He has chosen from the foundation of the world. We were only told that whosoever believes in Christ is saved (i. e how to identify those sovereignly chosen by God) but we were not told who and who consists of this whosoever but one thing that is very clear is that the elect of God are those who would believe! And their faith won't be a simple one but a saving faith!

You are right!
But it's just that, the saving faith you are talking about is the Christian faith which is the christianity we practice as a religion. A lot of Christians don't know that.
In ancient times such as the Bible days, the word Faith was used in place of religion. Today, we use the word religion without resolving it actual meaning.
The goodnews is that we were provisionally saved by our religion(faith) which was established by Christ at his resurrection.
It's as that simple, very simple to be true.
Where the difficulty lies is for non Christians like muslims,athiests,judaismists etc to simply believe,the moment they believe in their heart(heart was another ancient word used to depict
LOVE FOR GOD,not necessarily love for man,as it requires love for God for anyone to believe that Jesus is the Christ).at that point non christians believe by conviction and are converted into christianity through preaching or otherwise,they are saved like that. Nothing else attach to it.
And if you were luckily to born into a Christian home,you came with salvation inside you.
Simple.
Like i said,a lot of Christians do not understand this things so they are busy preaching to convince the wrong people to work for their salvation.
In summary,the saving Faith is nothing but our Faith and is a simple one,but it is we Christians that are making it complex, while the non saving Faith are other religions apart from christianity.

femoint007:
Prayer Points on Today's Open HeavensSaturday, May 6th, 2017) - SONS ARE SPIRIT-LED
1.Thank you, Father, for your guidance and leading through your Holy Spirit.
2.Father, in any kk, l have fallen short of your glory, have mercy and forgive me.
3.Father, let every work of the flesh in my life, be destroyed, by your fire, in Jesus' name.
4.Father, fill me afresh to the brim with your Holy Spirit, that l may have spiritual stamina to undertake my spiritual assignments, in Jesus' name.
5.Father, give me ears that hear Your Spirit, and give me a heart that follows His leading, in Jesus' name.
6.Father, let the Holy Spirit take dominion over my life and let all the activities of the flesh be subdued, in Jesus' name.
7.Father, give me the grace to walk in the spirit, that l may not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
8.Father, quicken every aspect of my life and let your word bring life to every dead situation, in my life, in Jesus' name.
9.Father, enlighten the eyes of understanding of men, and let them receive the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and yield their lives to Christ, in Jesus' name.
10.Father, renew my strength and refill me with fresh auction, virtue and power, by your Mighty Spirit, in Jesus' name.
11.Father, make me a son and not a babe; and help me to hear your voice and promptly obey you, in Jesus' name.
12.Your Personal petitions.
( Phil 4:6)
13.In Jesus' name I pray.
(Jn 14:13-14; 15:16)
14.Thank you Father for answered prayers.
(1 Thessalonians 5:18).
#GodBlessOurNation

Please i want ask, is there correlation between living in the spirit and the Christian religion ? and also, correlation between living in the flesh and other religions outside christianity? Example,lslam,judaism,african traditional religions etc??