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Fearcom:
If someone called you and told you that your favorite joint/hangout could be bombed and going there could endanger your life, would you call that a threat? Or a WARNING

I have learnt a lesson from scripture. Avoid going to HELL AT ALL COSTS. AT ALL COSTS. AT ALL COSTS. AT ALL COSTS. JESUS came to DIE and to SHED HIS BLOOD for the sins of mankind. REPENTANCE and FORGIVENSS of SINS is a great privilege Remember the place where Jesus said if your left eye causes you to offend, pluck it out? That is is better to enter heaven/life with one eye than for the whole body to be thrown into hell?

Man's eternal destiny is in HIS HANDS.

The truth is, it is not possible that i will be there when the hangout will be bombed.
I was never part of the hangout in the first place.
I was set free from it.
Whosever the son of man has set free is free indeed.
I didn't set myself free
I couldn't do anything to set myself free until the gospel was preached and i believe,
From that moment i was set free.
It is not possible, after i have set free from hell fire i will still be in bondage of hell.
So, if anybody(irrespective of whether you are founder of deeperlife or not, because you are not God ) come to tell me or any deeper life member(assuming i was a deeper life member) that we will go to hellfire simply because we commit sin, it is automatically a threat and not advice.
You people don't know your right o

damocool:
Pray for wisdom and understanding before searching the scriptures and don't just read one verse to interpret a whole chapter in the Bible, you just jumped into that verse to justify the reason for you to keep sinning. Read this particular chapter from from the beginning to understand the verse you just jumped to.. As regards to hell, it's the Bible teaching and everything he says is from the Bible and if anyone doesn't believe in that, the fellow isn't a believer... As he always says, anyone who wouldn't like to hear and accept the truth can leave the church to a place (s) he will be comfortable with that would be preached there... Christ death doesn't automatically deems us fit for heaven, only those that are converted, sanctified, free from all forms of sins and continue serving God.....are deem fit for heaven. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: (but he that believeth not is condemned already,) because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God... Are you tell me that the Bible is wrong with that bracketed phrase too? So what's wrong with your pastor reminding you of that...

Don't get it twisted i do not justify sin.
I only use that Scripture to prove that by adamic nature or default, we all commit sin including pastor kumuyi.
Either by mistakes or deliberately, sin is sin

kenex4ever:
do u know if that was his first time of threatening them for 30yrs?

Threats are regular occurence in deeper life we all know that.

baddyoosha:
the truth must be told no matter how u dilute it. God doesnt condone with any act against his commandments. the end is nigh he who is wise harken to instructions

That's true

deochris749:
That sounds like a threat? Simply warning bro!...Hell is real and heaven is real.
Bless you!

Distinguish between warning and threat from English dictionary?

EmperorMGI:
God bless you my brother...The level of Ignorance in this denomination is becoming alarming!. Who told them that Hell will be hotter for some persons....Let them keep deceiving themselves....God knows NO denomination!... He will judge every man equally.
Just like you said, teach the people how to overcome sin!
I can say that, this denomination is filled with hypocritical Christians...Their youths live in fear of their pastors and parents, and not the fear of God. When outside the perimeters of "both", they behave otherwise.
God help them all.

As a result of this, many members have ran away.
I know one beautiful lady who could not get married because no man was Looking at her because of her boogus dressing all in the name of making heaven.
When she saw that even kumuyi son got married to a sexy jamaican, she quited.
Today she is married,looking contemporarily sexy and travels to UK as if UK is at her backyard

As

buchilino:
DO U HONESTLY THINK KUMUYI HASN'T BEEN TRYING TO EDUCATE D MEMBERS?. BUT LETS FACE D FACTS, D BIBLE SAYS IN D END TIMES, DER WILL B MIX MULTITUDE IN D CHURCH. PPLE WHO COME IN SHEEP CLOTHING, BUT R LIONS N WOLFS INSIDE. I USE TO B A DEEPER LIFE MEMBER, BUT D ATTITUDE OF SOME OF DER PASTORS LEFT ME FRUSTRATED SOI LEFT. DIS R D KIND PPLE KUMUYI IS REFERRING TO.

The truth is he has not educate his pastors or members enough and when they make mistakes he is quick to threaten hell fire.
Do you know what it means to educate people?
Do you call school of theology or workers training education?
Pls education is far beyond all that.
You must understand that we are living in secular world and education encompasses the secular.
You will agree with me that more than 70% of deeper life church members as it also applies to other churches and even nigeria at large have no form of university education,as a result people commit more sin out of ignorance
So kumuyi should be rather sympathetic to people
Do you think God is not aware of this fact?
He is aware, thats why a created a common platform of people to be saved and not go to hell fire irrespective of their educational background and sin level . And that common platform is Christ.

Gwan2:
In ur bit to to sound so smart you sounded so ignorant of wat ur suggesting....Is it the man that is threatening his followers or is a message or warning embedded in the Bible?
Except if u Want him to twist the Bible on ur behalf though...Also mind you, biblically, greater punishment is ascribed 2 those who heard d word often bt disobeyed which is in line wit what he said.
In ur bit to to sound so smart you sounded so ignorant of wat ur suggesting....Is it the man that is threatening his followers or is a message or warning embedded in the Bible?
Except if u Want him to twist the Bible on ur behalf though...Also mind you, biblically, greater punishment is ascribed 2 those who heard d word often bt disobeyed which is in line wit what he said.
In ur bit to to sound so smart you sounded so ignorant of wat ur suggesting....Is it the man that is threatening his followers or is a message or warning embedded in the Bible?
Except if u Want him to twist the Bible on ur behalf though...Also mind you, biblically, greater punishment is ascribed 2 those who heard d word often bt disobeyed which is in line wit what he said.

I have never seen anywhere in the new testament where the apostles or christians were threatened by hell fire,
Or can you people show me?

MrMcJay:
If you neglect the salvation that Jesus offers, you're doomed.

If you accept Jesus and later turn back from Jesus into your sins, you're doomed.

For those who say once you accept Jesus, grace covers your subsequent sins; I hope it's alright if I kill ur pastor or sleep with his wife as grace covers my sins too?

Everybody in deeper Life are christians and not Muslims. Salvation is dependent on religion, that means, it depend whether you are in the Christian religion or you are in another religion.
If you are in the Christian religion you are saved automatically, if you are in another religion you are condemned already.
Rom 10: 1 ,Paul's prayer was that Israel should be saved, Israel who had covenant with God through Abraham should be saved Imagine that?
Then, there was something they needed for them to be saved apart from that covenant which is Jesus(which is represented by the Christian religion today, known as faith ).
for without faith it is impossible to please God..
Abraham and old covenant Which was Judaism, the religion of the jews is another faith entirely different from the Christian faith just like we have Islam today.
So, by the wisdom of God, all of us are saved into one faith whether you are deeper life or Catholic or redeem or whatever. I think that is what God is interested, not your ability to avoid commiting sin. This is what kumuyi has failed to tell his church members.
So don't look at pastors who boast with their ability to live a sinless life, they all lied.

Swissheart:
God doesn't have anything to do with church Sir.

Why did you say that?

MrMcJay:
He can only lead you to the path of salvation and not stop you from committing sin. Avoidance of sin is a personal decision between each human and his creator and no man can take the place of the creator.

That's true!
But where people cannot avoid commiting sin,he should rather be sympathetic than to pass judgement or threats of hot hellfire.
Though we all commit sin, God has never condemned us to hell fire all because of Christ

orunto27:
Kumuyi is right on Deeper Life sinners. They are warned to desist from sin. For them, it is a case of do not say i didn't warn.

But he is wrong by saying they will go to hell fire! Or else, why did Jesus came to die?
Do you know that there is nobody who do not commit sin, including kumuyi himself?
1John 1:8

promise101:
1 TRILLION LIKES!

These are the kind of OLD TESTAMENT pastors causing problems with false doctrines in churches today.

You discovered how UNSURE and confused he was talking.

Making righteousness which is of faith, a work.

God help him, anyway!

That is it,
I think all the pastors we have are all old testament pastors. They deliberately ignore the fact the there is righteosness through faith which the resurrection of Jesus has offered.
Though they preach it, but when they want to pass judgement that people will go to hell for commiting sin, they ignore it

Ken4Christ:
Well, let's look at the two references used to condemn make up closely.

The first is 2nd Kings 9:30. If this verse is used to condemn make up, then hair do of any form should also be condemned for Jezebel also dressed her hair. We know it is absurd to reach such a conclusion. So, it will be wrong to condemn make up because it was mentioned in connection with Jezebel.

Immoral acts were mentioned in connection to people of questionable characters. Do we then condemn sex in its totality because of it?

The second reference is Jeremiah 4:29-30. If we condemn make up based on this verses, then putting on good dress and ornaments of gold should also be condemned for they were mentioned alongside with the make up.

God himself is the number one make up artist.

He decorated Lucifer with several precious ornaments before his fall - Eze 28:13.

He also ordered that the garment of the Priest should be made for glory and for beauty - Exodus 28:2,39,40.

When the Jews were about to leave Egypt, he told them to borrow enough Jewelry and put them on their sons and daughters. Exodus 3:22

The streets of heaven is decorated with gold. The walls of the new Jerusalem is laid with 12 foundations of precious stones.

What we should advice is for believers to be moderate in whatever they do.

You are on point man

I don't think there are any scripture of the new testament (because Christianity begins at new testament ) where God recognises his people or creating distinction by their physical appearance talkless of whether they wear make up or not. so, if Pst adeboye is Looking at some physical appearance of objects, he should remember that God is a spirit and should not degrade him to physical.
Secondly, he also questioned the anointing of wigs on ladies heads.That means, he is not sure whether there is anointing there, and if there is any, is the anointing of God or of the devil?
Let's assume there is devil anointing on wigs, of what difference will it make to a Christian who carries a greater anointing provided by Jesus who died for the lady wearing the wig?
Is devil greater than Jesus?
Our own is not to know what the devil is doing, our own is to freely live our lives, taking everything to be good without fear of spirit or devil.
Our own is not to know the original owner of the hair or the anointing in it, provided the hair is hygienic it is good for you, if it makes you beautiful.
I think Pst adeboye is talking out of fear, that wigs has the potential of displacing Jesus anointing on a Christian and that is not true.
Let's face the truth, until we accept that christian ladies on trousers, wigs,earrings and even ashawos,are of the same powerful anointing of equal magnitude with all other people in Christianity, we will continue to run into problems and remain stagnant .
There is a greater anointing that is associated with anybody who has joined Christianity, the moment you join Christianity from whatever religion(giving your life to Christ ), that anointing has followed you like that, It does not require any special oil as it was practiced by people of old testament.
No wonder adeboye is still using anointing oil
Make up, if perfectly put on are good. They beautify the face and make ladies look attractive, there is no devil attach to it. So should not begin ask questions like what if devil..
Or when are we going to ask questions like what if Jesus...

This approach of getting people repent by threatening hell do not go well at all.
Do you know how long this man has been threatening hell in that church? Since 30 years ago, yet the sin is increasing.
This shows that threats do no good but even more harm.
Threats make people to become dumb and mumu.
Why not educate the church members how to go about stop commiting sin rather than showering threats of hotter hell?

Muafrika2:
Yeah. According to this....


Rev 20
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.



Let's say someone has the right religion but they have no God in their hearts
Don't you have wolves dressed like sheep in your religion? Even Christ has Judah. Will religion be enough to sanctify in the absence of spiritual trans formation?

Infact, the Christian religion is that spiritual transformation we needed.
Don't mind what pastors are saying o.
The bible is the answer to every question.
The Christian religion is our faith, without faith it is impossible to please God, You must believe in Jesus and not any other...
That we have already done, bad and good people.
We are saved alike.
So, whether there are sheep or wolves among us it doesn't matter to God,though it matter to us.
That's why we have to be careful with the kind of people we associate with.
Revelation 20 has the answer there now,
After the thousand years the devil was loosed again.
And truly, That's why no condition in life is permanent. Whenever things are bad know that the devil is released and when things are good know that the devil has been bounded.
Note that a thousand years is like one day to God

ogechieku:
Have you not read that "it is better for who doesnot know me than for he who knows me..."? The way they do it makes it look like jesus is one hopeless guy that they want to make a superstar. They want to create a kind of life they want for him...cant you just observe? i hate everything about it...if jesus has heaven why should these demon tries to make him what they want not what he wants...search internet for more...if you think i dont know his benefit that is good for you

I also observe what you observe,
It's true that they want to create artificial life for Jesus on earth, That's why you hear things like Christlike life.
The truth is, there is nothing like christlike,
Everybody commit sin on earth.
It's true that Jesus has heaven here on earth which is his kingdom, that kingdom is not of this world, what that means is that, the kingdom has nothing to do with our physical activities here on earth but it is strictly a gift of the spirit rhelm imbedded in our spirit.
So, whatever we do whether bad or good has no bearing into the spirit, talkless of eroding that kingdom in us.
So people are entitled to their actions or words, if these demons are trying to make Jesus what he is not, their actions have no spiritual bearing and do not affect Jesus and his kingdom in anyway, That's why Jesus is silent

ogechieku:
To me it is like denying facts if you claim you dont know phisical benefit of Jesus here. If only what jesus said in his entire life is "thou shall not kill" that word alone comes with million of phisical benefits that sustains world and million lives, could it be better? How will you feel if you find out that your wife loves your money not you? she loves what you have not what you are? She loves you for the great things she is expecting from you not the ones you've her? You mean nothing to her but your riches means a lot to her, if possible she wants to block all your riches convert them to hers and kill you...will you ever trust her, will you manage the fake love? will you ever be happy?will you be happy to live with her? It'llnt matter to you if she praises you all over the world after all,you mean nothing to her. you are talking as if jesus is begging to be superstar,does he have any benefit to make for praising him all over the world? absolutely nothing!

But i didn't say Jesus is begging to be superstar, he is already a mega superstar.
I'm saying that christians don't know what he has done to warrant him a superstar,yet they know he is, so they praise him.
And i think it is far better to know than not to know at all.
Because,when the purpose of a thing is not known abuse is inevitable.
And I'm very sure you that is talking don't know his benefit. But that doesn't make you deny him or facts.

denisbid:
The Bible is not just an ordinary book like any other book

Then how come even some Muslims can read and understand Bible even more than our so called prominent pastors?
Have you ever met a Muslim who gives you a historical background of Bible events proving every Scripture, yet conclude that Jesus was a mere prophet and not God.
Even adeboye and oyedopo as never in their dream analyse Bible like that.
What they do is using Bible for religion.
And you know religion don't encourage knowledge and understanding

S247:
Why do people find it difficult to pay TITHES?

My own is,
Pastors are thieves.
Don't pay any tithe.
Let pastors pay tithe to you.
All the money you have been giving them what is your own benefit?
In all congregation 75% members remain poor people, this translate 85% of 144 million nigerians who still remain poor people.
So, what are we talking?

ogechieku:
If not that heaven cant be hijacked from jesus you guys wouldnt have praised him. jesus knows the motives behind this praises. just imagine what will happen if the world has enough power to hijack heavenly key from him? they will send nuclear weapon to destroy him. The love for jesus is not but infatuation

You are right!
And this is one of the observation the op seek to address here.
We love Jesus, we praise him.
But how does his heaven affect us here on earth?
We don't know.
So, our praises are just deception and infatuation to him.
Nevertheless, we are praising him. The whole world is seeing it.
The whole world is gradually knowing him through our praises(and every Sunday church going ), yet we don't know what we are benefiting.
Are we not foolish like that?
Only if we know the physical benefit here on earth and not so religiously fictious,hoping of one rapture or end time as the benefit, which Jesus never promised or recorded anywhere in the Bible, we will not be pretending praises and wishing to hijack his kingdom using atomic bomb

ogechieku:
If heaven can be this cage called world, where terrorists are reigning, where world govts are killers...no wonder christains are losers. if all the christains thousands years of rase isnt more than this then it doesnt worth it. THEY BETTER SHOULD THEREFORE PRAY FOR HELL FIRE.

Terrorists are reigning they are hiding in caves,even hiding from fellow Muslims
Is that how to reign?
Christianity is currently broadcasted worldwide lifting Jesus high, what president of the world has ever received such praises worldwide?
If Jesus could be praised worldwide openly, of a truth he has started reigning, his kingdom is here, and guess what?
There will be no end of his reign.
Christianity will last here on earth forever

Amberon:
God will visit his vengeance on all false preachers including you. Hell and hell fire are not "figurative", they are real and you Mr "false preacher" can do nothing about it.

Ok o,
I hear

Muafrika2:
I see where you are coming from. From a figurative point of view. Which am challenging.

Let's say you are right, but why the rising from the dead just before judgment?

Regarding the topic of end time, Does this point of second death not mark an end of one thing and the beginning of another? Am pretty sure it hasn't happened coz I've been seeing the devil around.

Oh!
Do you think the devil will disappear in the future after end time has come?
End time is not comming in the future.
End time is already here,
Infact, end time is a proof that the devil is still around.
End time has been here since 2000 years ago, and what is that end time.
It is the end of judaism and the beginning of christianity which happened 2000 yrs ago.
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe(Jesus ) is laid unto the root of the trees(all religions of that time including Judaism): therefore every tree(every religion) which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire(meaning, is rejected by God, and all adherents of that religion will die, that is, second death. As Christianity is the only way the truth and the life ).
when you read, think and understand.
so let nobody use end time to threaten you again.
When a person dies, what we see physically is that the person dies, but in the spirit rhelm there is judgement.
At the end of the judgement, those whose name was in the book of the lamb will resurrect and come back to this earth again, while those whose name were not found will not resurrect.
This is the second death.
This thing is happening everyday as I'm talking to you

denisbid:
Do we need to do summary when it comes to the things of the spirit?

The question is, does it take a spirit to read and summarize a book?
Reading and understanding is a thing of the mind and not spirit

babafemi1000:
So I did a study of matthew 24 and discovered I was wrong in the sense that Jesus was talking about the destruction of jerusalem and his return to judge israel.

That marked the end of the age of judaism.

This also means that my quoting matthew 24:27 as evidence for his return in our future (you and me and other contemporary christians) is not valid because he already returned to judge israel.

27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man

Yes, the verse above refers to his return to judge israel.

However, regarding the other verses about heaven and eternity, I still maintain my stance, perhaps until I do another study, so don't go start celebrating that I agree with you o cos I still don't.

May God help us all (you and me) to continue to seek the truth and not just assume that our current beliefs about certain biblical happenings are final.

The word of God is final authority. Therein lies truth.

I'm also currently doing a study of revelations, may take the whole year though. Lol

Cheers man.

You have proven to be a very educated and objective reader

Muafrika2:
What about this day. ..

Malachi 4 : 1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

It is the day of the lord which is the day of judgement, which is also the day of our death.
Everybody will die someday.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Revelation talked about the lake of fire, a figurative language which represent death,
the second death, and not fire
To prove to you that lake of fire in revelation and burning with fire in Malachi 4:1, represent death and not fire in the Real sense, look at this
Malachi 4:3 And ye (righteous people ) shall tread down the wicked;FOR THEY SHALL BE ASHES UNDERSTAND THE SOUL OF YOUR FEET in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Now, assuming the ashes were burnt of people in hell fire does this place suggest that hell fire will be burning under the feet of righteous people?
(Also, remember the idea of hell fire was not to burn people to ashes, but to torment them forever while they are still alive, for them to feel the pain )
Hell fire burning people into ashes under the feet of righteous people..
It's really funny.
There is no sense there.
So, you see what I'm talking about?
Certainly, there is something figurative about the term hell fire or lake or fire.
And the true meaning is death, not fire burning people

We all have huge responsibility
Let's not think of running away.
We all need to live happily here on earth in love and peace, let us not try to deny that fact.
This world that we are is the only place for us, it belong to us.
Only if christians will wake up from their day dream and face reality. Evil will continue to reign.
When the economy is bad, it affects christians and non christians alike, let's not deny it.
God designed it to be so for his glory.
So, when you go to church and pastor read old testament to console you that when there is casting down you will say there is lifting up, not calling a spade a spade.
I will shock you that we are not in the era of old testament.
Pls, discard the rapture idea and face reality, the world is waiting for you to think out solutions to it problems

S247:
churches involve in souls winning which make them non-profit making organizations

BIG LIE

denisbid:
Do we need to do summary when it comes to the things of the spirit?

Seriously!
The spirit can never be an author of confusion.
The world is currently in a state Of confusion owing to the mistakes the developers of rapture doctrine who lived centuries ago caused the Christian religion.
Jesus who founded Christianity never mentioned rapture, rather, he mentioned resurrection of the dead.
Paul the apostle and early disciples never mentioned rapture anywhere in the Bible, rather,they emphasized resurrection of the dead here on earth.
If you do not believe in resurrection of the dead here on earth and you are still preaching rapture , then you are not fit to be a Christian, you are only Christian by grace. You are like the saducees.
And the only way to know this truth is to summarize the Scripture. By so doing, you have a wider view picture and understanding of what you are reading.
If you not yet summarize, then it never the holy spirit

denisbid:
The op is absolutely correct.
But what i still do not accept about the post is him debunking rapture

I asked this same question in a thread.
Was the word rapture mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
The response was no
all the scriptures they advanced to support rapture were all talking about something else, when we eventually summarize the whole chapter