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peggywebbs:
Yet again another philosophy.

no one alive that does not have his personal philosophy so there is nothing wrong having philosophy

According to you John's prophecy was all about what will happen during their time

may be you will find it hard to agree with this scripture
Revelation 4:1 ..and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER.

Take note of the word HEREAFTER, what does it mean to you?
To me, it means something that will happen now now.
That means it happened 2000 years ago with John who lived 2000 years ago seeing it happening now now.

and according to you it was Judaism that was supposedly the religion that persecuted Christians.

Please go and do a very realistic research on religion. In fact, you don't need to go far. There are many documentaries and archeological research works, that will give you a deeper understanding of what happened in the past. What Judiasm is about and their role in history. Until then this your presumption is � % wrong and very misleading. Thank you.

do you notice i quoted accounts from the bible, what do you say to that?

Yes

Whatever that religion was, the bible did not specifically mention.
It is obvious that whatever that religion was, it was a dominant religion of that time that persecuted Christians who were very few in number, hence the book of revelation which was also written 2000 years ago by John the beloved figuratively described the religion as a beast having a number 666.
Hence any Christian who by any means of persecution at that time, denounce Christianity has accepted the mark 666 and by so doing has lost his salvation if one should understand the point of these whole thing.

One could reason that the religion could possibly be Judaism afterall, the leaders of Judaism(the Pharisees) endorsed that Jesus Christ should be crucified. They also persecute Christians after the resurrection of Christ and spear headed the killing of many disciples including Peter, Paul and Banabas therefore they were the ANTICHRISTS, no other Antichrist.
Yes, we know that anyone fighting against Christianity today is also Antichrist, but how many of them still kill Christians till this moment?
so, Christianity will always flourish than any other religion according to Jesus prophecy. Matthew 13:31-32

Are today Christians expecting mark of the beast or 666 in the future simply because they saw all these in the bible?

See, you can't read the bible and start throwing yourself into unnecessary fear or fright of the unknown future what kinda mumu life are you living like that?
whatever we read today were things of the past documented in the bible.
Whatever happens in the future will depend on what we do today.

Think and understand

NATUREOFPOETRY:
There are Christians who lose their salvation

you are right!
But that can only happen when the person stops believing in Christ.

John 3:16..whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life

So long the person keeps believing and having faith there is nothing that can take his salvation from him.
Paul says who can separate him from the love of Christ

and some of their gifts,

gifts are peculiar to everyone(believer or not believer) and can only be used when the person discover his gifts.
If a person discover his gift and choses not to use it, it doesn't mean he has lost it

but tongues doesn't leave. I don't say it doesn't go in all cases, but we shouldn't forget the devil also performs wonders. The devil also gives gifts.

the devil cannot create one single human who then can he impute a gift to any human?
It's not possible.

Yes, there are humans who uses their talents negatively, that happens because the person choses to do so, and has nothing to do with any devil. Therefore the person should be the one to suffer the consequences of this actions and shouldn't put the blame on the devil in

The main thing that can lead one to the kingdom is the fruit of the spirit.

that's a lie!
The fruits of the spirit isn't the spirit itself.
The fruits of the spirit are mere love, Joy, peace, long-suffering, goodness, faithfulness, temperance, etc and cannot take anyone to heaven.
Only your believe in Christ(Faith) do.

Without the fruit, the gift is not genuine.

if you say without the fruits the gift of speaking in tongues is not genuine then you are right, because i see no usefulness of tongues when it is not interpreted to the understanding of a lay man

So, how does these revival translate to a better economy and good standard of living?

No revival in America yet they are far better

judemurphy:
does speaking in tongues guarantee you a place in heaven

no!
It is only your faith in Christ that guarantee your place in heaven

or you can be speaking in tongues and still go to hell

that is not possible!
You were first a Christian having faith in Christ before you started speaking in tongues that is what matters when it comes to salvation.
Nothing can make you loose that salvation except you stop believing in Christ or become an adherent of other religions like Islam, atheism, budhaism.

Scriptures says you are justified by your faith or the just shall live by his faith

Ok

@Michael547 what is God's kingdom?

godliman:
I have but it is not worth it the heresy is deep

if na conspiracy theory i talk like your pastors them you go say right done sir!

Mind only wetin ya brain fit carry you nor gree

THIS PASTOR SEF

SO NORTHERN MUSLIMS ARE NOT HUMANS TOO BECAUSE THEY USE ALLAH TO BEG Abi?

What is the church, building?

godliman:
Conc undiluted heresy

where are your premises

you have absolutely nothing to say

godliman:
"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most miserable" ICor 15:19

it still do not mean that heaven is elsewhere away from this earth or heaven is not right in the spirit of a believer.

Do you know that when you die life doesn't end there for you, hence the scripture if only in this life we have hope in Christ we are of all men most miserable?

Our hope in Christ is that when we die we will continue to live on this earth after that moment, not we taken away from this earth.

So heaven is here with us here on this earth,
Heaven is right inside us in the spirit and no where else

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ebenice:
so the world will not get any better?

it depends on what humans do

AntiChristian:
Those people will be reincarnated like Elijah and John the Baptist.

You don't understand the Bible!

Seek for the holy spirit!

ok sir

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obonujoker:
Stop saying or writing what you don't know

stop talking like an absolute religious dictator, present your reasons

Yes, how come?

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Some standing here?
Who were these some that stood there, people living in our future when rapture will take place before they see the kingdom of God?

Rapture teaches that there will be rapture which will happen someday in our future after which the saints will see the kingdom of God, how come Jesus says these people who lived 2000 years ago will see the kingdom while they were yet alive?

BigCowH0rn:
And he created the world in just 7 days abi?
Monday to Sunday

that is what religion will tell you but that isn't the case. Another scripture says a thousand years is like one day before God. Obviously, the 7 days creation was simple terms used to the understanding of primitive men who exist in bible days, and that is what we still see today in the book.

Let me let you in on an open secret.
The Holy Bible is a heavily coded book that is very simple but at the same time too complex for unbelievers to understand.
That coded knowledge, taken at face value will always make smart people look foolish

you are absolutely right

Verily verily i say unto the mosquitos in my room that can only live for 2 weeks......... "My Otapiapia will not finsih until all your generations pass a way"

Rapture is fake

Yes, whose next

worlexy:
Matthew 24:1-2
Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

i quoted John 4:21 and John 2:19-21 that what Jesus meant by the term "there will not be left one stone upon another " in Matthew 24:2 is something totally different from what the disciples had in mind when they asked him this question, but you are still looking at what the disciples asked to buttress your point not knowing that even the disciples were confused themselves.

Scriptures are contextual, no scripture in the bible can be understood in isolation. Every scriptures are linked to some other scriptures in correlation, AND IF WHAT YOU ARE READING DOES NOT LINK YOU TOWARDS THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST THEN YOU HAVE LOST IT
If it linked you to one irrelevant 70 AD you have lost it

-This happened in 70AD when the Roman army besieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple like Jesus said

in contrary to Matthew 24 that the generation of the disciples did not pass?

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

what you are saying contradicts the bible.
It does not have any scritural bearing!
No where in the bible that 70AD events were mentioned.
But i quoted John 4:21 and John 2:19-21 to buttress my points and they correlate, any reasonable person who follows this thread will see that.

And come to think of it, do you know how many times the israelites temple was destroyed and rebuild since Jesus died and resurrected up till this modern day? There is no significance of all that to salvation, but rather it was Christ's death and resurrection recorded in the bible that matters.

worlexy:
You were the one that made mention of Jesus saying that the temple would be rebuilt after 3 days when destroyed and I responded to you accordingly.

Why are you now asking if that part was mentioned in Matthew 24? So you didn’t know that it wasn’t mentioned before you brought it up in the first place?

I'm saying that whether it was the scripture Jesus said he will rebuild the temple in 3 days or Matthew 24:2, he wasn't referring to the temple at Jerusalem in both cases. He was simply saying he was going to be crucified and resurrect after 3 days, the process that will destroy the temple to set up a new covenant.

Sorry, I'm just trying to be accurate as much as possible

worlexy:
Jesus spoke about two temples: his body and Jerusalem temple.

in Matthew 24?
Go and read it again and see if two temples were mentioned,I don't know where you get that from.

The second temple he talked about was also destroyed as he prophesied and it happened in the generation of the people he was talking to

the only temple mentioned was that of Jerusalem which the disciples showed to him, but he told them that the temple will be destroyed, that was spoken figuratively. (like a parable).
In the literal sense what that means is : At Jesus crucifixion and resurrection that temple will no more be the temple of God(which is the destruction), but rather the body of believers will become the real temple of God where worship is done in spirit and in truth and God dwells within in their heart.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem(referring to the temple at Jerusalem), worship the Father.

This is what it means when Jesus said the temple will be destroyed

worlexy:
Op Jesus’ word is the truth and nothing but the truth.

no doubt

In order for you to understand Matthew 24:34, you need to understand the questions Jesus was asked at the beginning of that chapter in Matthew 24:1-3


“Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”


“ As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

The asked two questions
First was when the Jerusalem temple will be destroyed

Second was the sign of Jesus’ second coming


Prophets of old often grouped events together by their topic rather than their chronology, and in this discourse Jesus did the same. He addressed what in Matthew are grammatically two separate questions as highlighted above.

that does not dispute the fact that the whole bible was written chronologically.ie,the time of the old testament events were much older than that of the new testament, right?

The disciples might have viewed these questions as integrally related but Jesus distinguished them:

I'm very sure that the disciples didn't understand anything Jesus was saying to them in Matthew 24 until Jesus died and resurrected. It was after his resurrection that Jesus began to fully expanciate on some of those things written about him that he was trying to explain to his disciples in Matthew 24

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

When will the temple be destroyed: within a generation. As Jesus proclaimed, the temple was destroyed roughly 40 years after Jesus spoke those words. Go and read the event that happened in Jerusalem in the year AD 70 then you’ll understand better.

but you have read a scripture when Jesus told the Pharisees "destroy this temple and i will build it within 3 days", what will you say to that?
Did it take 40 years to destroy and rebuild the temple by Jesus Christ or 3 days, choose one?

You can read this link as well:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Jerusalem-70

I just mention Jesus told the Pharisees he will rebuild the temple in 3 days, is that what the article confirmed?
If not, then don't you think what is valid is what is written in the bible,that it took 3 days for Jesus to rebuild the temple?

Why are we still waiting for rapture that must have taken Jesus 3 days to complete 2000 years ago?
Certainly, he said that generation did not pass until everything he said in Matthew 24 was fulfilled, he was very truthful.

What will be the sign of his coming: he gave the signs and said it will happen at an hour no one knows.

it was because nobody knew who he was now in that hour of his death and resurrection.
The Pharisees didn't know he was the Christ so they didn't believe.
The disciples who believe didn't know that he was about to be crucified talkless of believing he will resurrect.
So, the signs were actually the signs of his death and resurrection, not rapture.

Do you see the extent to which you people are confused in Christianity today?

Earthquake was one that of the signs he mentioned, there was earthquake the day he was crucified.
Rumors of wars was one the signs, the Roman empire conquered and ruled Israel about the time he was crucified.
So,

You people cannot think at all

Matthew 24:14 made us know that Jesus said his second coming won’t take place until all the nations of the world have heard the gospel.

firstly,he did not mention second, please correct yourself.

Secondly, the gospel of kingdom was preached starting by John the Baptist.
It was preached by Jesus and his disciples until Jesus was crucified, that crucifixion and resurrection was the end of the world.

The world in this context does not necessarily mean the whole world.
The end of the world therefore could possibly mean the end of the old covenant and the beginning of a new covenant

There was no way that could have taken place in that generation but it’s possible in our generation because of advancement in mass communication and transportation.
Shalom

oh, see you!

Keep waiting my dear, the world will simply move on and leave you behind

capnies:
HOW MANY VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE HAVE YOU READ. REMEMBER THIS WAS TRANSLATED FROM GREEK; SO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER TRANSLATIONS BEFORE YOU CAN DRAW CONCLUSION.

No translation could possibly say anything different.
For instance :

Matthew 24:34(Revised standard version) truly i say unto you, THIS GENERATION will not pass till all these things takes place

You see that?
This generation implies the generation of his disciples he was talking to 2000 years ago, not any time beyond that.

If truly there was anything like rapture it would have happened 2000 years ago

eg PSALM 16:10 THE WORD HELL IN KJV IS TRANSLATED REALM OF THE DEAD IN NIV, WHICH I PERCEIVE IS MORE ACCURATE

very true!

But that is not the case in Matthew 24:34