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Constantine10:
rubbish, stop quoting text from your fairytale book, you dumb freak

foolish jobless atheist, who called you into a Christianity discussion?

FullBlastLight:
Go & sit down, feeble Christian!

U cant be a true Christian & be an apologist 2 anytin contrary 2 d TRUTH at d same time!

When majority like ur comment, it's because it's not d truth!

Majority has neva stood 4 d truth anywhere!

Check it!

what is the truth, that Catholics aren't Christians?

Princewell2012:
They revived the Holyghost on the day of pentacost, does that makes us pentecostal? You know the Jews were celebrating something on that day which have nothing to do on christianity

really?
Tell me more

Martinez39s:
Paxonel the wishy-washy atheist Christian. How do you do?

it's been a while Martinez39s, and you have changed your moniker

chatinent:
Let's continue this discussion next week. Do tag me when you have time.

next week, anytime, I'm there, I will tag you

999m0nikers:
hope you have finally agreed with repentance? Cos I remembered years ago when you were involved in heretics messages

what you hear me saying today is a proof that you misunderstood what i was trying to say years ago. I know it will take time for some people to understand all I'm saying.
I never go against repentance, infact repentance is the reason for all i have been saying.
But that notwithstanding, repentance takes you nowhere when it comes to salvation and that's the gospel truth, I stand to that till now, nothing changes.
Jesus says I'm the way the truth and the life.
Repentance is never the way, the truth and the life

chatinent:
You will die bro.

There's more to John 3:16.

like what?

Henroo88:
You have done well.

thanks

xproducer:
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"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." - John 14:6

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." - Matthew 11:28

"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” - Acts 4:12

exactly!
He is the way, no other

chatinent:
I know that. I mean, what is the thing to believe in Jesus Christ?

believe that he gives everlasting life that's all.
That means, when you believe in him you will never die

chatinent:
What is the thing to be believed, please?

Whoever believes in Jesus Christ should not perish but have everlasting life

The bible never mentioned anything about intersex individuals or any kind of mutants resulting from inbreeding depression or loss of hybrid vigor. Although we heard cases in the bible where angels came down from heaven to have canal knowledge(mate) with humans, as a result there was proliferation of unusual people such as giants who started committing havac to the creation, many of them were wiped out by the great flood of Noah generation.

But we still see unusual traits today like people having four fingernails instead of five, one hand or eye balls bigger in size than the other and even intersex you mentioned, non of these traits were ever mentioned significantly in the bible, only giants were mentioned.

Talking about whether people having these unusual traits like intersex can be Christians or will make heaven?

John 3:16 ...whosoever believes in him..

Mark the word WHOSOEVER.
That means there are no distinction in traits or characters
No distinction in race, tribe or culture or whatever.

Your statement is like saying heaven is for rats not for rodents, or heaven is for fowl not for chicken
Repentant sinners or good people, they are the same, no difference.

When God is good to someone, the dance flows

Righteousness2:
As long as they Refuse to Genuinely Surrender to the Lordship of JESUS Christ

this is the aspect of our pentecostalism i hate so much. Judging other fellow Christians as if they themselves do not commit atrocities.

If they had not genuinely surrendered to the Lordship of Jesus what are they doing by taking communion, o dumb headed?

Thank God the scriptures you quoted betrayed your desires.
Non of the scriptures you quoted have proven correct of your assumption that other secs of Christians like Catholics who do not conform to your pentecostalism ways of worship have not surrended to Jesus Christ
Keep dividing the body of CHRIST. The day God will judge you is coming

LordReed:
You should look up how the translation came about. There is nothing about it that indicates it is error free.

ofcourse no translation of the bible presented today is error free, only that some are more accurate than others.
And older versions are expected to be more accurate than new versions because many of the new versions today were translated from older versions.
What is most important is that, basic ideas of scriptures like the crucifixion and resurrection, love for humanity and God, the covenants and commandments of God should not be altered as a result of error due to translation. And so far, i think all the translations have kept to these basic ideas.

AntiChristian:
You are comparing only two versions but I gave you like six different versions.

that's why i said there are new versions coming up and i used one as example to compare with kjv

KJV was completed in the 17th century and many manuscripts and knowledge would have been discovered in the last three centuries.

are these manuscripts contains new knowledge that is different from what kjv and other older versions offer?

And we have other major insertions too!

the insertions may not be different from the basic idea, only that the basic idea may have been mis-interpreted

AntiChristian:
Chai! The same KJV that is widely acclaimed to be filled of incorrigible errors?

it is not widely acclaim but only some few mischievous doctrinists like jw and the rest acclaim that.

King James is one of the oldest bible version that was used to translate many of these modern bible versions that are causing confusion today. Why?
Because most of these modern translations misunderstood a lot of contexts that has led to many inconsistencies of their contexts with the basic teachings.
For instance King James(one of the oldest version close to the original text) put it this way

1 Samuel 13:1 Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel,

Meaning on the second year of Saul's reign after he had reigned one year

And a modern day translation misunderstood that context and put it own this way

1 Samuel 13:1 Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

Meaning Saul started reigning after one year of his life

Common sense will tell anyone comparing these two translations that the former(King James) speaks what is feasible or what is reality than the later(English standard version)

AntiChristian:
So which one do you follow?

I make use of the King James version. Any translation that is not close to what King James offer is regarded as a postulate to me

AntiChristian:
The book of 1Samuel 13:1 and its translation in versions of the Bible has caused a great embarrassment for Christian apologists:

How?

1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

3. KING JAMES BIBLE
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

4. NET BIBLE
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

6. JPS TANAKH 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel

anyone can come up with their translation based on their understanding of the original text, that doesn't mean that the original text itself is contradictory.

There are no book that is open to be translated by different persons that will not have this problem, the Quran is wrongly translated too.

So, it expected that anyone who want to have the proper understanding should always make reference to the original text

Trillionempire:
THE BIBLE ISN’T WRONG, YOU ARE

https://mydailypage.com.ng/2021/10/22/the-bible-isnt-wrong-you-are/

There is a claim often made by people that goes something like this, “I don’t believe in the Bible because the Bible is full of contradictions.”
What we have found is that this claim is nothing more than empty ranting about a text that the person has not even read, let alone studied to understand what it actually says in the first place!
And this has been the same experience as Dr. Richard Averbeck, Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages scholar and professor. Dr. Averbeck says,
“A lot of people talk about ‘contradictions in the Bible.’ I’ve been studying this stuff [professionally as a scholar] for 50 years and while I haven’t worked through every claim of contradiction, those I HAVE worked through have turned out to be NOT contradictions, but rather a misunderstanding of what the text is actually intending to communicate.
Misunderstanding the text does not mean there is a contradiction in the text.” (Averbeck)
It’s not the Bible that is wrong, it is your understanding of the Bible that is wrong.
Every so-called “contradiction” in the Bible always turns out to be due to the fact that the person claiming the contradiction does not actually understand how to read and interpret ancient documents, or engage in proper hermeneutics (the “science” of interpretation).
In other words, the person claims “contradiction” because they do not actually understand how to determine what the Biblical text is saying, or what it even means.
The Bible is not “full of contradictions;” the Bible is full of the story of God, which leads to Jesus Christ, written over a period of 2,000 years, by 40 different authors, on three different continents, who wrote in at least three different languages.

You can read more here: https://mydailypage.com.ng/2021/10/22/the-bible-isnt-wrong-you-are/

www.mydailypage.com.ng

I'm with you absolutely on this

See your weak singlet under your suit sef, how you no go preach lies?

EFULEFU1:
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

WHERE WAS JESUS' KINGDOM THEN?

WHO ARE HIS SERVANTS HE IS REFERRING TO?

IF HE REFERS TO HIS KINGDOM, IT MEANS HE IS THE KING IN THAT KINGDOM?

THANKS

His servants he was referring to were his disciples and such of these disciples were his kingdom,Therefore his kingdom were people.

Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said,Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Note : He didn't say such will make heaven. Rather he said such is heaven.

Christ dwells in the heart of his people, his people are his kingdom and nothing more

efficiencie:
Dude thanks for posting this video...if it were on youtube it would have been banned. Jah bless.

so,ya all moderfukas are running away from YouTube, Facebook, twitter, WhatsApp and Instagram because ya jah niggas cannot promote conspiracy theories there anymore so nairaland is becoming a safe heaven for ya plenty plenty non sense?

seun please come and see something o

Truthwords:
Of course mumus like you will go ahead to be vaccinated but those that are smart will overcome. When the concequences starts, don't come here on nairaland to beg for hospital bills. I once posted a live video made on Instagram as the protest was happening but your dear YouTube took it down. If you have any relatives in those countries call them and ask about the antivax protests. Stop getting brainwashed by mainstream media . I am sure you are not yet vaccinated. Please when you get your 2 shots plus the numerous booster shots, feel free to keep me updated about your health

I will remind of this your foolish comments when the time comes.

Even your pastor Adeboye has adviced his church members to go and get vaccinated it is free, do you think the pastor is a fool?

Truthwords:
Mumu, watch those videos, i posted the link. Take your own vaccines so that you can join those that have gone. Mumu sheep

shut up!
It's not your fault, it because people like you can afford YouTube now.
Don't worry, they will soon bring down your foolish videos.
Those videos you posted aren't anti-vaccine protest that's why they cannot be available for main stream media like CNN, Sky News, etc.

Those videos and pictures were past protests of whatever event years back, and one stupid commentator on the video voices that it was anti-vaccine protest and you mumu Africans pick the video and started circulating online.
You are all foolish.

Two months from now i will look for you and quote you to ask, where are the foolish videos you posted, because two months from now people will still get vaccinated so your videos will never achieve anything

Nonsense!

A very useless post from one jobless op

Maestro21:
[s]lol

Dumxonel. If Billions have taken it why do we not have herd immunity?

You just read nonsense and believe it.

Add the vaccinations achieved in the Americas, Australia and Europe and you won't even get 600M. But somehow BILLIONS have been vaccinated? lol

You are a baaing ignorant sheep. Go and hide somewhere. I have injured you with facts.[/s]

I have already marked your moniker as a mentally challenged user.

Don't quote me again, i don't respond to stupid people, this will be the last

The pastor is shouting for nothing.

You don't want to vaccinate yet you want to interact with people on daily basis, you want to go to work, you want to make money, by so doing you will always meet with people.
It is mandatory that you will leave your house and meet people everyday.

But you don't want a mandatory vaccination because some pastors said the vaccine had hidden agenda which you never care to verify whether it is true or not, are you not self centred and wicked?

what if you are infected with the virus while interacting with people when leaving your house?
Do you stop to think whether by possibility you will come back home with the virus, meet and infect any of your elderly loved one in your house or neighborhood whose immune system are not strong enough or may have complications?
Your grand mother
Your neighbors father in-law etc?

Are you that wicked because you are ignorant?

As much as it mandatory that you should go to work it is also mandatory that you protect other people if you are so self centered and not thinking about yourself

Think about it

Maestro21:
Sorry, you are a dullard. If you tell people to take a jab or lose a job that is coercion. There is no other unapproved jab that has such mandates.
Dullard, vaccinated and unvaccinated people spread COVID-19 similarly. The CDC website states that. Both contract it the same way and spread it the same way.
lol. Mortifying honesty
I don't want to answer questions about Pastor Chris because you don't watch him, you read fake articles and blogs who have just misled you - if you will admit it. But if you were observant you will see that Trump's hands were forced.
See my post above.
lol. I am showing you that Bill Gates already has a history in doing something similar.
Ofcourse, not the other 100s of Millions of deaths from other causes that nobody is talking about. Not heart attacks, not malaria not hunger than is responsible for far more deaths.
lol
lol
don't give me Bill Gates MSNBC, or CNBC or any other media station that supports him. Don't give me his own very words. lol. I hope you see how stupid this sounds.
You were the one claiming he was being philanthropical now you are saying making money means nothing. Did anyone tell you making money was tantamount to foul play? I did tell you that if a disease is man-made and the people who made the disease are forcing everyone to take the "cure" that is a conspiracy and that is foul.
You are so naive. I feel like crying for you. Who will find him wanting? The bought out media? courts? police? presidency? lol
You are so stupid it is painful to watch. You are still quoting blogs. Why not show me him saying vaccines are the mark of the beast. You are incredibly daft if I am being honest. He told you they will mandate vaccines. He told you that they will tie those vaccines to cards/passports, then to social credit systems and then to digital IDs. He told you that those digital IDs will come with a chip (that is how they will get it into you). Can you read? It means the vaccines will be a precursor for the chips. That is what he said. He did not say the vaccines are the mark of the beast. Silly.

Do you see how stupid you are now?

Oh, you are incredibly dumb. Even after I proved that the previous article you quoted was a lie, you still brought more. You guys are so silly.
What a dummy. There are no alternate cures? There is no ivermectin? monoclonal antibody cures? There is no naturally acquired immunity? lol Can you prove that mandated vaccination was ever used before for an unapproved cure which the producers even say is still experimental? lol
Everyone knew? Knew when they said it will take years to have a vaccine even when Pastor Chris told you they will claim so but that before the year runs out they will say they had a breakthrough in medicine and found one? Everyone knew that? Pastor Chris told you the so-called jab was already available as at March 2020 and even before? Everyone knew? Everyone knew the virus was man-made in a Wuhan lab by americans and released via China? Everyone knew that they will keep giving reasons to extend lockdowns? Everyone knew that they will keep giving multiple jabs? You mean the same people who denied these jabs being mRNA related only to accept it today?
read above and stop deceiving your daft self. I can mention more things he said and maybe you will tell me if you knew it too. That quarantine camps will be built? That martial law will be implemented? You knew it?
I have never seen such bold-faced ignorance. Trial stage? Who told you the trial stage is over? Oh silly fool..the trials are ongoing and will continue till at least 2023. That is what the manufacturers said but this fool on nairaland said "during trial stage". lol. You even foolishly said volunteer. lol.
What do I know about vaccines? What if I tell you one of my graduate school projects was to design one? lol. Better know your audience before you are disgraced.
Jesus, what type of cretin am I engaging maka chukwu? Preliminary stages? You are still in the preliminary stage oh simpleton. And yes, people are still dying in droves. There have been more vaccine deaths from these jabs than the cumulation of any other jabs put together. What an ignorant dummy.
Wicked soul. Why won't people take a jab when you tell them they will lose their jobs if they don't (even when those jabs are not fully approved)?
if you know the jabs are newly developed why mandate it? Why refusing to consider ALL alternative medicines and cures? Why not also consider natural immunity which is 13-27 times better than the jabs?
You asked a question and answered it without having any facts. Yes, a lot of people are still dying. Can you see the date of the young boy's death? (attached)
Wicked soul.
Stop talking unproven nonsense. Prove what you are claiming with hardfacts like I have done.
lol. When you are wrong, you start talking "may bes and ifs".
lol. You are so ignorant it is laughable. Why did we not hear about the variants before the jabs were rolled out? Why only after?
if research is still ongoing why will you mandate something you are still researching?
Jabs were not meant to immunize? Show me another jab before this that was not meant to immunize? I will wait.
If you sponsor something you don't care if you make any profit or not but when you INVEST you expect returns on your investment.
lol. That is not what he said and I will take his own words over your lies.
There is no agenda but you want people to be coerced into taking something that is still under emergency use? You want people to take something that does not prevent infection nor does it prevent them from spreading the disease and there is no agenda? There is no agenda that a disease has been proven to be man-made but nobody cares about punishing those who sponsored its creation? There is no agenda about censoring any scientist that speaks up against what is going on? Pastor Chris does not know about medical science - find out if the man who invented this mRNA technology is in support of what is going on? What about the man who invented PCR tests? What about the former Vice President of Pfizer? lol

now i know that some of you are Bush pigs parading as humans

Billions of people have taken the jab already and more are still taking it. Now who wins?
Do you see how foolish you are?
Come and stop the vaccination let's see, non sense!

Mentally derailed fellow

Maestro21:
If you don't know that Biden issued vaccine mandates after swearing that he would not (and could not) why do you think you have the knowledge base to discuss with me?

so, vaccine mandate implies that Biden forced or coerced people to take the vaccine,do you hear yourself talking?
Your statement is like saying Biden forced or coerced people to keep laws which everyone are mandated to do. Because, just like breaking laws there are also consequences for not being vaccinated which is spreading the virus, who doesn't understand that?

I have told you I don't listen to dumb speculations and dumber speculators like The Guardian you quoted which is riddled with stupid lies that make no sense. Anyone who listens to Pastor Chris for e.g will know that he is not getting his inspiration from any name mentioned there neither is he pro-Trump. lol.

OK o

Next, instead of asking me stupid questions

there are no points being fallacious why are you that scared or are not intelligent again?

why not Google "Operation Warp Speed" and see which administration spearheaded it, when it started and when the jabs were rolled out.

OK, i have seen it.
That means, Donold Trump actually initiated production of vaccines.
But why didn't this so called pastor Chris didn't attack Donald Trump for initiating vaccines, why now Bill Gate, what exactly is Mr Bill's offence i don't get it. ?
Is it not the same Jab Donald Trump took that Bill Gate has sponsored for mass production?

I have never seen anyone so certain of their untenable and ignorant position. You know someone's intention by what he has done? Like when he created viruses for his Microsoft softwares and then sold an antivirus for those same softwares? Do you know he was fined heavily for doing this and hated by the business world in US? Do you know his philanthropical works began as a damage control stunt after he was vilified? if you did not know this before, why do you think you can argue with me today?

leave Microsoft out of this your argument doesn't follow.
We are strictly talking about medical science here, not any robotic computer softwares.

When it comes to medical science, covid 19, human lives are most paramount and it should be the first thing to consider at nothing less than 98% confidence level, not business.
That's why medical researches are never compromised especially when it has to do with international level.
I ask the question again, was Mr Bill indicted or prosecuted for any fowl play since he started sponsoring vaccines?
Post the link here, don't give me that Microsoft trash

You are the one saying what you think his intentions are - he himself said it was money for him. Hear him: https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/23/bill-gates-and-the-return-on-investment-in-vaccinations-davos.html

making money from vaccines does not implies any medical fowl play.
If he is found wanted he will be in prison by now and everyone will read about it

I wanted to be less harsh with you but you exposed yourself as an ignoramus so I have to beat some sense into you. You cannot provide at any point where Pastor Chris said this jab was the mark of the beast etc. Those of us who listen to him know exactly what he said.

before you start denying it, read what pastor Chris said in April 2020 below.
That vaccines in human body will contain digital ID(what he figuratively meant by mark 666) that will be used to control people by the Antichrist.

And i asked myself, is this man well at all?

Second, from March 2020 he warned you foolish people that this whole shenanigan was not about COVID-19 but about vaccines and that they will mandate these vaccines,

So, this is how you are so dumb?
On top of your mumu you are the one saying I'm the one that is dumb?
What?

Make i laff small

Look, pastor Chris is manipulating your sense get loose by force...
You dey follow that psychologist?

Here is the truth!
There was a pandemic, certainly there is going to be a mandatory vaccination that will not be avoided because over history, there are no other alternative to the control of viral epidemics order than vaccination.

Pastor Chris knew that this was true, so to him vaccination will surely come.
Everyone knew too

So, why did he in April 2020 take advantage of what will surely come to pass and make it as if he did prophesied and warned people that vaccination will surely come to pass,
Is that not manipulative tendencies?

My friend go get sense

coerce people into taking it as part of the NWO plans. Can any fool deny that today everything he has said has happened and is happening? What fools now do is come up with spurious claims and then attach it to him - give a dog a bad name so you can hang it.

mteeeew!
Nor go get sense first

What a foolish question. I can give you names but I won't even go that far. The first nurse to be vaccinated - Tiffany Dover, died shortly after taking the jabs.

even if it was true that she died that was trial stage of the vaccine development and certainly there must be side effects.
Someone needed to volunteer and she did and became a hero.
what do you know about vaccines?

Now that the vaccine has passed through other preliminary stages do you hear people dying of it again?

They tried to deny it but it is 10 months gone now and she is still dead - very very dead and if you argue I will shower this place with links.

the only link you should be looking at is, whether people are still taking the vaccine or not after she died

Do you know what VAERS is? Have you researched Israel and their vaccine deaths toll? UK?

it was bound to happen especially when vaccines are newly developed.
Does it happen again?
The answer is no

So why chasing wild goose for nothing?

What is unverified information? What errant nonsense are you talking about? Unverified information is the nonsense Guardian quoted. Trump calls himself Mr. Vaccine. He believes all the credit for this jab should be accredited to him. Where is your proof that Trump was ever against it?

alright, I agree with you that Trump promoted the vaccine. But just like pastor Chris, on personal level he was a bloody religious conspiracy theorist initially.
May be he was later convinced of the vaccine and later changed his mind.

I can show you even Kamala Harris and many other democrats saying they won't take the jab and how we could not trust it.
Hahahahaha. What about Israel? Singapore? What mortality rate changed? Do you know there are more deaths this year attributed to COVID-19 than there was at the same time last year in these continents you mentioned? Do you know Israel is experiencing spikes despite mandating jab 3? In fact, they now want to mandate jab 4 already?

the virus correctly have several strains and variants. What Israel is experiencing is lack of a compatible vaccine for the variant affecting them, it is normal.
Research are still on going and with no time, compatible vaccines for these variants will be produced.

What a dummy. Does the jab immunize?

don't be a joke!
Jabs were not meant to immunize! They are preventive dozes.

What a load of tosh! You cannot be sponsoring something if that same thing is called an INVESTMENT.

what do you mean, someone who sponsors cannot also invest when the opportunity do so knocks?

Can you hear him? I can give you a longer video. You can hear him say it. And you call it conspiracy theories? What part of his OWN words don't you understand? What a dummy. https://www.bitchute.com/video/7ExcFDPOo164/

the man is business man and that's how he thinks.

Like i have said, what is paramount(which also reflects his intention) is for him saving lives whether he is making business out of it.

There are no hidden agenda according to one man called Chris who knows nothing about how medical science works in the human body tissues, how then will he not postulate fictions?