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Shelumiel:
So why then are we told not to neglect the fellowship of brethren. Why was this emphasis done in Hebrews10:25? Please have you taken the time to read the book of Hebrews to understand the nature of letter and the message it was meant to pass?

If you look at the preceding chapter, it says

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

The aim of gathering of believers was to provoke one another to good works.
Good works is a physical thing to do, anyone can be good.
Good works.
Love your neigbour as thy self, the same thing.

But when it comes to worship, it requires that we worship God in spirit and in truth, that has nothing to do with good works.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Good works is physical and has nothing to do with the spirit
Worship is done in the spirit, it's justification is of the spirit because God is spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
You will know the truth and the truth will set you free {John 8:32} it's OK Sir!

your truth is subjective to jw and your kingdom hall

Shelumiel:
So this is proof we should stay home and worship...? Dude are you for real..

stay home or anywhere, even in church. So long you believe, God has accepted your worship, it doesn't matter where you are

Do you have any scripture contrary to this?

MaxInDHouse:
This is not the meaning of what Jesus is saying here,

explain yourself

before that time pure worship can only be rendered in Jerusalem or you must face the direction of Jerusalem anywhere you are on this planet, Jesus confirmed it {John 4:20-22}

Hmm! You may be on point here

But in Christianity (the new covenant) wherever two or three are gathered to encourage one another on the WORK Jesus assigned to his disciples, Jesus (God's new Temple) {John 2:19-21} is there which means they are worshiping God in the best way! John 14:6

So anywhere true Christians converge, pure worship is ongoing Sir! Matthew 18:20

May you have PEACE!

I'm not here to discuss jw

Shelumiel:
I never knew God had an online spokeman's to tell us what he will and will not accept as worship

Ok, this one is online too abi

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Shelumiel:
So why can you not worship in a Church? Or did Jesus not say, "where two or more are gather, I am in their midst "?

well!
Based on human perception you can call that worship, but for God who receives the worship you think you are giving him, he doesn't call it worship. He calls it religious activities which may not be bad for you

Shelumiel:
Hebrews 10:25 says we should not neglect the fellowship of brethen. This is what we go to church to do. And its purpose is basically for exhortation of one another.

a very good reason to go to church. To exhort one another.

But certainly not to worship

Except for the fact that Sunday, like every weekends can be a day to relax and also plan for the coming days of the week, I see no difference with it and every other day.
We humans, whatever we have in our heart to do, that's it, no going back.
If we fix a particular day for any regular event that's it, it becomes a cycle such that one will think that it was God himself that came down from heaven to fix the day for us, but meanwhile, it was someone like me and you who woke one morning and suggest that one particular day called Sunday should be set aside to worship God, then everyone follows.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Sunday church going or worship in anyway, but all I'm saying is, if it was one person that had the power to fix a day, then you as one person also have the power to remove your own personal day of worship from being a regular Sunday cycle and no one can do anything to you.

Ofcourse, during the intense of covid 19 lockdown you have stayed in your house every Sunday for weeks and nothing has happened to you, It does not change the fact that you are still a Christian, that's to let you know that the regular Sunday cycle of church worshipping is your choice.

But how does God view your worship?

Leviticus 6:13 The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.

Your body is like an altar that holds your belief in Christ, that is where God dwells continually. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20

Your body does not need a place to worship God, God is not found anywhere else whether in the sky or the church, but only your body.

God is not restricted to be worshipped in a particular day, rather every micro seconds of your existence is worship itself for God.

This whole thing has done to me that Christianity is not practiced like Islam or any other religion

So, ask yourself a question : what did you go to church to do?

zoputa:
I believe you have heard people say "it is the heart" that proves you are a Christian. You may even see a prostitute say "don't judge me, God sees the heart and man looks at the outward appearance".. But the question is "Is Christianity Only in the Heart?"... No, Christianity is not only in the heart because Jesus said "Let your light show shine before men that they may see your good work and glorify your Father in heaven".... Jesus wants your Christianity to be seen by men too, meaning that since men cannot see your heart, show them your light .. The Bible says "By their fruits, ye shall know them"....So if you claim to be a Christian and you are dressing to kill or seduce, then you don't have light that shines before men. You walk in darkness. If you are rude or evil to people and say "God sees my heart", you are a liar. You have no good fruits.

Happy Sunday.

very true post.

But does that mean if one says Christianity is in my heart and he refuses to shine the light, therefore he is not saved?

Drabeey:
The bible had been written for a very long time. My understanding is that the bible contains histories and people's way of life. Dealings with God and God's words. If i am correct...

Don't we need to write another bible?
Many new prophecies are on ground
Many scientific improvements that points to the existence of God.
For the coming generations that may find these histories hard to believe because of the new technology advancement they met.


If the new generation can't write a Bible, why?
Are the new generation of prophets and pastors lower fidel to older ones?

Rev 22:18–19.
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I am not saying remove or add. I mean write a new one that will preach directly to the Modern bad vices like terrorism and "dirtiness due to holiness", e.t.c

Nigeria may even be included in the bible.
Many archeological newer facts will be included
(like the last pieces of Noah's ark found)
Covid19 plague and so on...

My question, can't the world come together to write a new bible for the modern world sake?
If you say Jesus is coming soon so no need, what if his coming is another 2000 years time?
Do we need a new modern Bible or not?


I just want to learn.

my guy!
It will take another covenant for another bible to be written. But so long today Christians are under the new covenant that was established 2000 years ago through Christ which will last forever, there is no need for a new bible.
Rather, let our lives also be a bible to the next generation which many achiements of this current generation are already serving that purpose of impacting to the next generation

Can any intelligent Christian identify the fallacy of the message this DLBC cartoon is passing across?

slawormiir:
Damnnn niggarrrr
Isoright.....my alma mata
Females and short put....hall 2 and hall 1

The vc is trying though.....but is so unfortunate no money for her to use....but despite the low funds she is trying...

females in Hall 2 and shot put

BassReeves:
2. Does the word 'rapure' appear in the original text of the Bible?

I'm yet to see

BassReeves:
1. How long biblically speaking, is a generation?

it depend on the context of the scripture in question.

Like that of Matthew 24 ,a generation according to what Jesus meant refers to the duration of life of an individual.
For instance, the life period of the Pharisees and saduccees era which was the time that was prophesied by Daniel that Christ will be crucified and resurrect. Luke 11:51

Yes

These were the words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 24


Matthew 24:34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

What generation was he talking about?
He was talking about the generation of the time of his crucifixion (remember, it was time Jesus was about to be crucified when he made that statement to his disciples)

So, that generation of his disciples did not pass away until everything he said in Matthew 24 was fulfilled.

If that is so, why are we Christians in this generation scared of rapture, where then is the rapture coming?

You have a major responsibility to live your life today and live it effectively without any atom of fear

MaxInDHouse:
Guy think of better things to do if you don't want to hear the truth, those people don't belong to your own Church, are they?

no, they are not

So let's talk about what they're doing in the public all in the name of preaching for Jesus

we have already talked about that and you say you are condemning them into not being Christians for their actions in public.
And now, I'm asking you, is what jw did by covering a rape case Christian(assuming the story was true as purported)?

What else is there to run away?

I don't know when you people will ever know the difference between what is right and wrong in Christianity. The case you're bringing up to place side by side with this lacks intellectual evidence.
So until a case is verified before you can start thinking of how to reprove the defaulter not when we are all seeing the madness those two people were constituting publicly in the name of Jesus Christ!

ok,
You are saying until the case is verified?
That jw's can never commit such sin or any sin at all?

MaxInDHouse:
You are comparing the act not supported by an organization to what misinformed churchgoers practice on daily basis shey?

Come on, the case you're talking about was reported whether true or false you're yet to verify, but we are looking at two persons constituting nuisance in the public in the name of Jesus!

Perhaps you don't know what bloggers do to attract traffic on their blog, any story could be cooked up so if you're not there you can't ascertain the fact, unlike what we're viewing life!

what if it is a verified case will you say the act is unchristian or not ?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! What they're doing there is unchristian nah!
So a true Christian will use the scriptures to CONDEMN their actions!

in that case, raping a teenager, forcing her to listen to the incident on an audio recorder and trying to cover up the case is unchristian too .
Don't you think so?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not good in English but i can still remember that fighting is totally different from condemning an act!

by saying they are not Christians simply because they fought you are already condemning

A true Christian will not even preach loudly in the streets {Matthew 12:19} not to talk of engaging someone publicly in verbal confrontation when he is supposed to go about his preaching work with mild temper and deep respect! 1Peter 3:15

Come and learn how to preach, what to preach and when to preach from the one and only true Christian group JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

oh,
I should come learn how to say fellow Christians who fights are not Christians?

OK o

MaxInDHouse:
They're not Christians!

True Christians follow Jesus' pattern whenever they go out to preach, they don't make noise in the streets {Matthew 12:19} it's when people make noise that they can disturb one another but Jesus taught his own followers to go quietly to visit people in their PRIVATE homes {Matthew 10:12} then we must take permission from the householder before making our presentation so the householder must decide if he is going to listen or not! Matthew 10:13

The last prophet of God forcefully preaching in the streets without permission was John the baptist, but when Jesus commissioned Christianity he admonished us to ask for permission to speak from the householder first so that we won't offend people with NOISE POLLUTION!

why are you now fighting both of them here if you too are Christian?

Federal government has said with the effect of February 2021, N5,000 will be paid to the account of poor vulnerable Nigerians for a perid of 6 months in order to curb the effect of the economic changes many poor Nigerians are facing as a result of covid-19.

Assuming this is not another scam

What will N5,000 do?

At this point, many people have started claiming that they are poor too, that's another problem to determine.
well, i think there are poor of the poor that will need the money, what do you think?

Is it right for the federal government to spend such huge amount for a scheme like this, can't the money incorporated to capital projects that will impact to all Nigerians?
How are they going to reach out to these poor people?

MaxInDHouse:
You amuse me a lot!

that's because I'm reading inbetween lines

Jesus the foundation of Christianity openly said many will call him "Lord" even performing great signs and wonders in his name and yet he will declare to them saying "i never knew you, depart from me you workers of iniquity" Matthew 7:21-23

it's true now!
There were about 5000 disciples of Jesus who ate five loaves of bread and twelve fishes in the wilderness calling Jesus Lord Lord (Matthew 14:21). These same disciples were part of the people Jesus gave power to do signs and wonders.(matthew 10:1)
Out of these 5000 disciples who were the MANY Jesus was talking about, only about 120 of them saw the kingdom(Christianity) Act 1:15.
Hence, few people saw the kingdom of God.

Jesus foresaw this coming that's why he told them many will call him Lord Lord, but he will say he never knew them on that day.
Why, because many of them ran away when it was time for Jesus to be crucified.

This thing has nothing to do with us today.

And here you are saying there is no Satan in the midst of those claiming Christians!

well, i didn't say there is no Satan in the midst of those claiming Christianity, ofcourse a Christian can be Satan at the point he is doing wrong.But rather, I said in the context of what Jesus meant, Satan was the Jewish religion while he was the only way to God.

Well for your information, Satan is the owner of all the religions on earth before God called out Abraham and his lineage (Isaac and Jacob) to stand out, after then God established pure worship with Jacob's twelve sons (Israelites)

if you say so, you may be right.

Jesus foretold that Christianity will also fall into the hands of Satan until when he (Jesus) come back in the spirit to separate faithful people out of Satan's mob.

where??
whatever you are saying, you have to back it up with scriptural evidence or..

Today all the religious groups on planet earth are under the influence of Satan the devil with the exception of just one group.

keep telling yourselves what is not there

MaxInDHouse:
That implies the Bible verse is of no use today shey?

no!
It implies that we should take scriptures the way it is, and not necessarily being fallacious about it. The scripture was written for our understanding of the origin of Christianity and not for us to impersonify it, there is nothing spirit about it, everything can be accurately explained.

Who is the master brain behind the confusion in Judaism back then? John 8:44

Satan ofcourse!
Now, we are talking about spiritual battle here( inter-faith battle), that's why in this context Jesus described Judaism as Satan(a spiritual being).
But in the case between your today's Jw and the general christendom it is a battle within the same Christian faith(not inter-faith) therefore non of the sides can be described as Satan seeing that both sides have believed that Jesus is the Christ.(unlike Judaism of John 8:44).

If it is what involves jw and Muslims, then you have every grounds to describe Islam as Satan.

Do you think such an evil genius has no influence today? Matthew 13:25 compare to 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

Well thanks for your time Sir!

Matthew 13:25 is a parable describing how the devil deceived Adam and Eve from the beginning. It wasn't today's Christendom that did it.
Yes, there were antichrists(people who pretended to believe in Christ coming among Christians, but deep in their heart they didn't believe) who came to deceive Christians in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15, these Antichrists cannot be used to describe today Christians who do evil, because today Christians have believe.

MaxInDHouse:
Satan is the owner of that broad road {Matthew 7:13)

no!
You are misinterpreting the context of Matthew 7:13.
The Broadway there did not refer to the general Christianity of today in relation to a small group.
The Broadway specifically referred to Judaism(the Jewish religion of that time who had the old covenant) including any other religions of that time in relation to Jesus Christ and his disciples(because Jesus is the way, not any other religion)

So, please don't change it that it was talking about today

MaxInDHouse:
To believe doesn't mean calling upon a person's name in vain without acting upon what he taught! Matthew 7:24-27
After the death of first century pioneers of Christianity Satan established his own religion to overturn what those first Christians laid down, that was how they overshadowed the real Christians just as weeds sown in the midst of fine seeds will overshadow it if left unattended to {Matthew 13:24-29} and because Satan is the brain behind world Politics {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} he used everything within his reach to silence the rest of the Christians who knew what Jesus and his disciples taught, that was how true Christianity vanished from the surface of the earth and Roman Catholic Church (a religion formed by the political Roman Emperor initiated) became known far and wide, the Roman soldiers were forcing this religion on all the cities they conquer, the intention of this Roman Emperor was to strengthen his Empire and solidify all the little cities under it as one with the newly form religion. Note that it cost the Romans all their former gods as they have to change so many things and call their gods by the names the Emperor fabricated so that those Satan's agents claiming Christians can embrace it.

True Christians don't
~ repeat the same words during prayer! Matt 6:7
~ use images in worship! Exodus 20:4
~ carry weapons! Matt 26:52
~ participate in world Politics! John 17:14-16
~ practice racism or nepotism! Matt 12:46-49

True Christians are
~ always engage in evangelism! Matt 28:19-20
~ easygoing in the neighborhood! Matt 5:43-48
~ never part of racial dispute because they must love all believers equally!

So true Christians exist today but just as Jesus foretold people will hate them the same way his own contemporary religionists hated him! Matt 10:22-25
They meet in places designated for their meetings, they don't practice interfaith (all wind of teaching in the name of Christianity) they marry only fellow members so if you're from any country throughout the earth as long as you're one of their global family you're qualified to marry in their midst, but even if you're from the same village with a Christian as long as you don't believe in the same line of thought with them they will never marry you! 1Corinthians 7:39

There are lots of differences between the real Christians and misinformed Churchgoers claiming Christians today!

interesting

True Christians practicing separatism
Is that what Jesus throught you?

You know, it's a free world, you can choose to practice what you want to practice as far religion is concern. But certainly, you can't separate the body of Christ it's not possible.

Yes, I agree that there are several faulty doctrines in the body of Christ which most of my post are aimed to correct them. But irrespective of that differences in doctrines, creeds,beliefs and attitudes, there is one thing that is common to all Christians and that is: They believe in Christ and that is only reason they are Christians

John 3:16 ...whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life

So, i see no reason why believers should battle themselves on who should be a Christian: Jw and Roman catholic fighting themselves, Protestants and Roman Catholics battling.
Even among the Pentecostals : deeper life fighting winners saying they are not Christians, Christ embassy battling celestial church saying because they are on white garment and bare footed they are not of Christ.

One saying we are of Christ, they are not. They are of Apolos, we are of Paul, what the nonsense!

Like i have said, it's a free world, so even the truth is free to prevail and no one can stop it.

What is the truth?
The truth is : if all these misinformed church goers you say they are claiming Christianity still exist, then it is God that allows them to still exist as Christians.
Your role is to correct their misinformation as much as you can, rather than trying to win them to your side.

MaxInDHouse:
Those two laws makes anyone complete as a doer of what Mosaic laws demand but there's a new law that Christians were given, that i'll discuss with you some other time!


Christianity has nothing to do with nepotism, Jesus came to save the world not the Jews the arrangement was to propagate the good news and charity they say begins at home so Jesus had to train those close to him (Jews) first how to go about it. They're to see other nations as worthy of God's kingdom!


Jesus' teachings was aimed at forming a global family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} that's the reason why he is called the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so to be a real Christian you must know this global family and work with them under the commander (Jesus) otherwise you are on your own, Jesus doesn't know you {John 15:1-10} all those claiming Christians but failed to be in the global family are scattered like stubborn goats before Jesus! Luke 11:23 compared to Matthew 25:31-32



Christ doesn't force himself on anyone so whenever you see any religion using force know that it belongs to the devil, what Christians were commanded to do is PREACH and TEACH peacefully in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 10:11-15} those who believe will have the crown of life while unbelievers will perish! John 3:16




There is no difference between true Christians today and the first century Christians, but if you've been misinformed you can't recognize true Christians because Satan has blackmailed them in the world so even when they come to you as their first century brothers did you may end up demanding they have to comply with what false religions claiming Christians today believe!

ok, how do distinguish between true Christians and fake Christians, is it that fake Christians don't believe in Christ and his resurrection or what?

MaxInDHouse:
You shouldn't allow philosophers to rob you of divine wisdom my friend.

there are only two divine wisdom in the bible!
1. Love God with all your heart...
2. Love your neighbour as yourself

I don't think i have defauted in any of these two, what do you mean i allow philosophers to rob me of divine wisdom?

You may quote the Bible because you can read it and apply it anyhow you want

all I want is to apply my understanding of the bible to these two laws:
1. Love God with all your heart..
2. Love your neighbour as yourself

But you know, anytime i post a thing on nairaland, my aim is for Nigerian Christians to read and change their faulty doctrines and their traditional perception(just like Jesus aimed at changing the traditional perception of the Jews in Matthew 15:3)which i perceive that these traditions and doctrines are the reasons why Africa is lagging behind today, not that Africans don't love God.

but one thing i'll like you to know is if you're not efficient with this spiritual sword {Ephesians 6:17}

do you notice that very few people understood Jesus when he was preaching on earth.
Do you really think that what he was preaching was that easy to understand the way we are making it now in our churches?
Jesus was full of logics especially in his parables.
Unfortunately, this life itself is full of logic and reasoning we can't escape.

you can't point to any achievement, people will only notice you're always carrying a sword (Bible) up and down!

not everyone, only those who are not reasonable will do.
By the Grace of God, i can point to few regular monikers on nairaland alone, who are intelligent enough to read and understand my posts atleast.
It's nothing new for the vast majority to misunderstand logical concepts, but the few who understand will be at peace of mind.

True Christianity never flourished in Europe Sir,

you can say that again, that's story for the gods.
Why did Paul the apostle ended up writing books and preaching the gospel from Italy(recorded in the new testament)?
How did Wesex(ancient British empire) was colonised by the Roman empire in 1300 AD and the Anglo Saxons were forced to accept Christianity?
What about the Danes who were striped of their culture by conquest of King Albert II ?
what about the ancient Roman catholic Vatican seen as the center of Christian pilgrimage even till this day?

it began in America when Jesus came back in the spirit to restrategize his followers in preaching and teaching work he commissioned back in the first century. Europeans were just slave traders who used the Bible as a cover to rob other people. Before America declared freedom of speech expression and worship Europe only had Orthodox Churches, and they force everyone to practice it or they'll kill you.
So if anyone tells you anything about Europe having Christianity it's a lie!
That's where people like William Tyndale were roasted alive in the name of Christianity!
If it was the falsehood Europeans were practicing back then, you must either be a Catholic, Anglican, Methodist or Presbyterian. This once have fought and killed so much before they agreed amongst themselves on how the church should be, you can't even own a copy of the Bible talkless reading or quoting it!
Modern day Christianity started in America when they declared freedom of speech expression and worship!

now you are talking!
You say modern day Christianity right?

Is there any difference with ancient

MaxInDHouse:
Right from the beginning of civilization there has never been equality in the way all the countries are developing! Due to certain factors some countries are faster than others to develop and moreover back then some people do gang up to rob others of valuable things leaving the victims to become predators preying on their own people after the stronger tribe/nation has robbed them.

That's what you're experiencing in the world today your beliefs has nothing to do with that!

you are absolutely right!
But my beliefs?

Anything is say i say with facts
I back up all my statements with scriptures, someone who has truly sat down to read the whole bible from Genesis to revelation will see everything I'm saying, that is so in the bible.

The truth is, Africans don't read, they only believe that's all.

There is an article i came across online see below :

10 WAYS EUROPEAN CHRISTIAN MISSIONS HAS INFLUENCED AFRICA

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making any sense. Open your eyes to what is in fact written!

God's covenants are everlasting... Not the kingdoms themselves.
The Old Covenant is an everlasting covenant between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob with a promise of the people forever as inhabitants of the land of Canaan.

The New Covenant is an everlasting Covenant between God and man with the promise of eternal life(life after death included) to be lived out either in the Kingdom of Heaven or Hell.

Isn't it written somewhere in your Bible that Heaven and Hell will pass away but the word of God remains forever?

how will i possibly make sense to someone who has never sat down to read the bible before?

Look at what you are saying : old testament is an everlasting covenant

UgoFly:
Really scared at the way this Paxonel guy interprets the clear wordings of the scripture to suit his own flawed narrative. Kobojunkie you are just wasting your time arguing. Some people are supposed to be left in their folly.

really?
It's not your fault.

By the time you find yourself in Europe with your skewed mentality caused by African traditions and faulty religious doctrines of jw and other conventional religion, you will know by then whether Africans are the ones foolish or not.

Europe brought bible to Africa, now you Africans who don't understand the content of it want to preach it.
Nor take education seriously first

Kobojunkie:
Just so you know, it seems you have veered off the topic we started on with this. I don't see the relevance of your introduceetion of genesis 17 to the discussion that was originally on the Kingdom of Heaven, which is not mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament nor as part of the Old covenant, an everlasting covenant between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So, try to fill me in on where you are going with this.

oh,
You didn't see that the kingdom of God is everlasting, or the everlasting kingdom is not relevant to an everlasting covenant?

OK o