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Knock, knock !!
Any Town Jester in the house ?

DeepSight:
You must regard me as the Town Jester.

Lol.
I'm glad I didn't say that. You did.

DeepSight:
Oh no not at all sire: nevertheless it is [color=#990000][/color][U]a straight lie[/u] to say that "there are no controversies and no disputes about the Theory of Evolution," - your words exactly.

Is it not?

Well then, it's now incumbent upon you to do the needful.
We are all ears/ eyes.

DeepSight:
This is a straightforward lie.

Huh?

Them are fighting words, Depardo.

@Depardo.

I cannot rebut your points one by one in a because I am using my smart phone.

You stated or insinuated that I neither speak nor understand animal language, therefore, I should not able to say what they do or are capable of doing.

My response to that is simple.

The much that we know about animal behavior, how did we get to know ?
Did we have to have town hall meetings with them in Order to be able to catalogue( in most cases with mathematical precision) their behavioral patterns?

By your twisted logic, every thing we know about animals behavior Should be null and void simply because we have never had a successful Town Hall meetings with animals.
Right Sir Deepsight, mighty sire of the woven word ?

DeepSight:
Can you see the way you read and the sorts of leaps of assumptions you make?

Where did I say the bold and particularly how did I suggest the bold in red?

I am simply following you on this leaping exercise, Sir.

You are the one making the huge leaps from one unrelated issue to another, trying desperately to find connections where none exists.

DoctorAlien:
Do you mean anyone who doesn't have a desire to live forever is an animal?

And was that the conclusion you reached after reading my post ?

DeepSight:
Many times, to be honest with you, I am sincerely forced to believe that you either do not read what is written, or you gloss over it, or you simply super-impose your own previously held notions onto it. I actually gave you point to think on, regarding what you said - and I referred to specific patterns of animal behavior to rebut what you said.

Big laugh.
You merely offered anecdotes.
For example, how does the fact that few animals like elephants and apes exhibit grief upon the death of their kind show or indicate that they habor anxieties about the AFTER-LIFE?
How did you make such a huge leap ?
Do you See why I completely ignored that point ?

Secondly, how does the fact that all animals ensure the survival of their genes through mating and protection of their offspring indicate to you that each individual animal looks forward to eternal life in the same way that you do?

You tried to weave together unconnected issues to validate your own preconceived ideas.

DeepSight:
Whilst I will respond again to this post - please note that your reference to the scientific study of animal behavior (which I am a great fan of) does not in anyway support your points. If anything, much study into animal behavior raises questions the answers to which may likely hold you against your assumptions.

Purely speculative.

You cannot try to make an argument or even offer a rebuttal of an argument by speculating on facts that are not in evidence.
You should know better than that, Depardo.

DeepSight:
Small Question:

How exactly do you know this? How exactly do you know that Animals do not worship God?

~ Have you spoken with any animal who let you into this secret?

~ If Animals were to worship God, would you recognize their mode of doing so, when they do it?

~ Would you expect to see them in prayerful dispositions or setting up churches or temples or mosques?



As well you should.



Just as surely as without man, who would conceive of the bbig bbang? Surely, without man, it never occurred, no?



Just as Isaac Newton invented gravity, no?



Again, how exactly do you know this? What village meeting of Animals did you attend, where animal professors explained this to you?

Because, what is obvious is that they exhibit a fear of death and do everything possible to avoid dying.

Further - many animals also mourn their dead, and exhibit grief and befuddlement at the phenomenon of losing a family member. Why do you think this is so? Have you ever been a bereavement counselor to any animal whereof such an animal patient of yours informed you that it had no phobia about the after life?



Who told you this? Why do you think animals show extreme concern about their next generation - going so far as to murder the young of possible competing genes in some cases (such as lions). Behavior which may very well suggest clear interest in the status of the gene pool, not just while they are alive but after they are dead?



Then why do they avoid death?

My friend, it seems to me you have made gross assumptions here - very akin to the type of assumptions you accuse theists of making!

My dear friend,
You wasted quite a lot of space here without making a tangible point.

Rather than merely asking me ' how do you know that' , it would have made much sense for you to have made a case for the opposite .

For centuries, we have been studying and observing animal behaviors and behavior patterns.
In fact , there are academic and professional disciplines completely devoted to the study of animal behavior.
In case this is news to you, I suggest you visit your nearest library, or better still, even a cattle rearer or chicken farmer.
Daahhhh!!

Animals do not show any behavior patterns that remotely resemble worship or acknowledgement of deities.
That's a fact.

They also do not show anxieties about an after life, talkless of buying insurance policies for such, as you do.
That's another fact.

Now, if you think otherwise, kindly present your facts , and stop weaving these tangled noodles of words you're very fond of.

Lennycool:
The fact is even as controversial and disputed as the evolution theory is, it still a better alternative than believing a book thousands of years old, written by simple minded humans.

Correction Sir.
There are no controversies and disputes about the theory of evolution.

About more than 90℅ of scientists accept the theory of evolution.

The thory of evolution has not had one single refutation in over 150 yrs of its acceptance.

Modern discoveries in genetics have basically cemented every important aspect of the theory.

Only religion infused minds have a problem with the theory of evolution. And their objections fall very very far from being scientific objections.

michelz:
If Buhari and APC knew things were going to get worse under them,why then did they contest? We warned Nigerians but they didn't listen. We reminded them that Buhari had not acheived any particular meaningful thing since after his stint as head of state,and they claimed it was because he's honest... Now look at it now. See where it has landed Nigerians now. Where are all those sycophants that were forming i-too-know on Nl during the election period? This goes to show that some people are actually dumb but think themselves wise.

It serves us right, as a people who cannot look beyond the next meal, beyond petty sentiments.
This is why the political elites have so much disdain for the petty, unthinking plebeians.
It Is only a very very petty minded electorate that fantasize that they can elect a cactus tree, dress him up in orange suit, and then squeeze an Orange juice out it by merely wishing that it be so.

The myth of Buhari is busted right before everyone's eyes.

Muafrika2:
Atheism is a fallacy to begin with (a concept invented just to fight religion), so your announcement is not surprising.

Confusion - you still belive you are an atheist.

Very funny.

I take it that you do believe in both the TOOTHFAIRY and Santa Claus?
Or were those invented to please little children ?

jmichlins:
Both the president and his cabinet members are all power hungry wolves in sheep clothing. Enough of shifting blame to other people. The president can sack anyone who's bringing shame to him starting from his PA but because they are partners in crime it means nothing

Lol.
So you noticed ?
Blame everyone but Buhari himself for the ineptitude and confusion.

I guess Dele Momudu, waxing in his usual janus-face, speaking from both sides of his mouth, is either too daft or too much an ass-kisser, to consider that perhaps good able people cannot function to their full potentials with a dinosaur. Buhari is a mythical product of a long bygone era.
He is not a leadership material.

Nigerians, with active connivance of intellectually dishonesty people like Dele Momudu, elected a mythical creature, a contrivance of pure fantasy , to govern them.

Now that the smokes and mirrors are gone, everyone, including Dele Momudu, is pointing fingers at everyone else.

Muafrika2:
Nope.

But confusion, definitely.

Kindly explain.

DeepSight:
Fully self aware, self-conscious, sentient and sapient?

To what extents , we can only speculate.

I am definitely not fit , and may never be ableto answer those questions to your satisfaction.

My opinion is that they might be all of the Above, but again, in a much more higher level than we currently understand.

promise10:
What if he is already a good boy? You santa Claus has anything to offer?? Just to know.

Of course. Santa Claus rides all the way from the North Pole to reward good boys and girls on Christmas Eve.

Infact, now is the perfect time to write Santa and ask for special gifts.

Lennycool:
Rightly said, man created God and not the other way around. The human mind doesn't want to grasp its own mortality so it creates a fictional realm that it might reside in after death. We don't fear God we fear death. This is why every culture has it's idea of a God as well as an afterlife.

I once opened a thread asking why animals do not worship God.
I was actually attacked and mock for asking such kindergarten question.

I remained patient to see if someone could get the full import of my question, to think deeper and understand where I was pointing at.

Like this OP has written, without man , there are no gods.
Man is the creator of god.
Animals do not have an after death phobia.
Animals do not need insurance policies Redeemable after death.
Animals don't have a desire to live forever.

PastorAIO:
There were a lot of strands of ideas that were very very tangled up.

...and competing with each other for prominence.

At different times, bits and pieces of various strands of ideas fused together.

analice107:
What does this even mean?

I mean that I just dey join una de craze.

malvisguy212:
Are you a christian ? What will a real christian do ? Read the op one more time "REPENT or face the wrath of God, the decision is yours" what is wrong with this ? The op give an OPTION to the atheist, Are you afraid to tell the atheist the truth ?

Hilarious

Hey Malvisguy212, just a reminder that Christmas is coming, and so is Santa Claus.
Be a good boy.

analice107:
I no talk am? Plaetton dey craze

Well, the Abrahamic religions do not have a monopoly of insanity, you know.

DeepSight:
OP - Do you believe celestial bodies are, or represent, higher celestial beings?

Definitely, celestial bodies ARE higher celestial beings.

urheme:

longest time

Yeah. Longest time.
Where have you been?

TVTKOKO:
I just had to create this thread pertaining the house arrest the igbos have place themselves all in the name of protest.. Which has graced the front page today.
While you may be there rejoicing that there's unity among yourselves (debatable actually), have you sat down to ask yourselves the effects of this sit at home protest?? Whom and whom it would affect??.? The answers are quite obvious. Now tell me one government parastatal that has not operated in the whole of the east? Which bank? Be sincere to answer me.. Which one amongst you working in a bank or a government establishment that didn't go to work today?
I reside here in the north and most of your brothers over here has little or no knowledge of whats happening in your region.

My point is, the common men amongst you are desperately ready to die for a cause that won't put a food on your table while the elites really don't caree!! I knw most of you come on here to shout just to be noticed(actually the Internet has provided room for that) but you actually went about your own businesses.. Lmao
Really,, i don't know who is deceiving who *drops pen*

Spoken like a typical' Lugardian" Nigerian.
Lord Lugard wrote that a typical Nigerian can hardly think beyond the next meal.

Perhaps it escaped you that humans, Igbos in this particular case, Should not put only the next meal in consideration when pursuing long term objectives for future generations.

If the next Amala is the only thing you take into consideration before agitating for rights and freedom, then , well, good for you sir.
We don't envy you.

Adminisher:
Very very relevant policies. Nigerians are the most expected Nationality to be embarrassed at an airport or suspected of a crime. This is because we have exported a traits that are not native to us in our individual ethnic national characters but we somehow adopted willy nilly over the years .
The ECONOMIST should shut up and let us target morality and ethics anew at a new generation . At least we can start from Junior Secondary Schools to start getting things right.

Morality and ethics my axx.
Morality and ethics should start in ASO Rock.

Like someone before me posted, the sheer hypocrisy of Buhari , who is a bold and unabashed NEPOTIST, a leader who increased his household feeding allowance by 50% to N1.9b, has the arrogance to talk about morality and ethics to the rest of 180m hungry Nigerians.
What about the stench of corruption from the principal members of his government?

Joshthefirst:
I conclude you regard the sun as deity.

You regard the sun as deity, and you worship it(as you yourself have acknowledged). This makes you an adherent of a religion. Which makes you not an atheist and not even a deist(the sun obviously interferes), but a theist.

In other words, you remain a confused old man.
Case closed #

Come hither my son, the true heavenly Father, the most visible proxy of Divinity and eternity beckons you.
Come hither.

GooseBaba:
Baba plaetton.... How far na...

The Sun dey collect offerings?. I fit boil egg on top stone for am ohhh. But then again it's not a jealous god. Abeg where service dey take place. We fit bring umbrella? Na gorimapa I carry and I cannot take too much vitamin D from baba Sun..

Worship is online, tithes and offerings are to be paid to my account at SunShine Bank, account # 000111222.

Remember, The Sun shines on a Cheerful giver.

Why shouldn't they enjoy the privileges of power?
After all, Nigeria has become their private fiefdom.

@ Deepsight.

The article on this link is related to our debates about the tangibility, or should I say, the mathematical corollaries of feelings and emotions.

https://www.rt.com/viral/360226-emotions-mit-research-science/

franciskaine:
Sir, you must understand the dichotomy btw theory and practice. In theory that is the right thing but when in reality it's a been complicated. Capitalism has its many contradictions and high unemployment is one of them. Even the so-called American govt directly in some instances create jobs to reduce unemployment. That said, I must correct ur notion on Npower, it's not a direct job persay but a form of training to create a better workforce that will improve economic growth in the long-run. It's a training for about 2yrs to give unemployed in Nigeria the skill and focus needed in directing them towards self employment. U need visit the Npower page to understand beta what it's all about.

I have no criticisms about Npower, about any initiatives that focus on job training, retooling and or any policies targeted at creating employment.
I am against creating more government jobs as an ad-hoc, reactionary measure, that, in the long run, is more harmful to the economic infrastructure.

Ad-hocism is surely one of the reasons for our perennial underdevelopement.

franciskaine:
dem no create jobs u complain, dem create jobs u grim! What will govt ever do to satisfy u lot? U are saying this simply because u av a means of getting change into ur pocket. If for say u finish school carry certificate for inside cement bag dey waka round street in search of job like others, you will understand the relief this opportunity will create for those unemployed.

My dear friend.
The private sector can create 500,000 jobs across the nation in a blink of an eye with a carefully implemented targeted policy or policies.

Government creates an enabling environment for the private sector to create jobs.

The government doesn't exist for it's own sake, just to sustain itself.
The leaner the government, the more efficient and productive they are in the delivery of social services for the welfare of the citizens.

This is the 21st century.
We can't be using Stone age sense to run a 21st century society.

Again, in the land led by morons, where, instead of the government trimming itself for much more efficient service delivery to the Nigerian public, the government wants to overbloat itself with 500,000 more salaries to pay every month from its clearly obvious dwindling revenues.
The same bunch of morons that gave us the biggest budget in Nigerias history at the exact time our revenues had declined by 70℅.

Where did we get these geniuses from ?