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I don't expect you to understand...what with being an atheist and all.

That smells like a copout.

onetrack:
Sorry, but this is why religion lacks logic. The first statement is babble, and the second is flat wrong. If you can use those statements to explain why religion is logical, then I can also use those statements to explain why any fairy tale is logical and why all errors are not real errors but only metaphors. If that is the case then I can assert that we are all, in fact, perfect.

Superb!

Reload

Lol.

Babe comes over to my house on Saturday night for an all-night fornication and sin party.

Sunday morning, babe dresses up for church, carries her bible, and then invites me to her church to worship God.

I ask ,which god ? She says, who else ? Jesus/ Jehovah.

I say, no thanks, I am with the ToothFairy or Amadioha.

She shouts , blood of Jesus ! So you're an evil man? You're going to burn hell .
I can't stop laughing.


I am very sure that many many guys can identify with the above scenario.

thecommunist:
you just repeated what he said, only that summarized it.

Lol.
In an English comprehension exam, that is called an 'F'.

EnkayDezign:
Both religions are equally deceptive.

Religion , by it's very DNA, is deceptive.

madridguy:
Yah Muliqu Sanusi, with due respect sir, what is been practiced in Zamfara, Nigeria is nothing but hypocrisy. We knew what Shariah means and not what Yerima did to ripped off the state treasury and also to subject the good people of Zamfara to abject poverty. Shariah means equality.

The thief called Ahmed Yerimo is nothing but a clown.

Lol.
Comprehension! comprehension !

Sanusi's points eluded this poster by a mile.

If this poster was not challenged in comprehension skills, there would have been NO need to waste such precious space in making such a feeble rebuttal.

philpwresh:
Governor Rochas Okorocha of Imo State says he finds himself better placed as the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria than being a governor.
Okorocha told journalists in Owerri yesterday, that as much as he has made up his mind not to challenge President Muhammadu Buhari, in 2019 presidential poll, he would offer himself for the position after the end of Buhari’s tenure.


His words: ”Governor does not fit me. What fits me is president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. I will not contest against Buhari ‘ Meanwhile, the state government has declared May 6, as Freedom Day.


Okorocha urged Imo people to attend the special forum where they would be entitled to express their minds.

http://t.guardian.ng/news/what-fits-me-is-president-not-governor-says-okorocha/

Okoro-ewu, a psychiatric ward would be a more suitable office for you Clown.

drake2000x:
I don't understand....is it against the law for BDC to change that kind of money? Then what's the purpose of BDC if they keep arresting people changing money with them? If you don't BDC, a legal financial institution by the way, then abrogate the institution to stop all these nonsense. Personally I think they are responsible for the dollar scarcity...via hoarding

Nigeria is far from being a zoo where animals behave in a practiced, regimented , orderly fashion.

Nigeria is one giant lunacy bin where everything is upside down and where nothing Ever makes sense.

Why is there a war against money in this country ?
If you put your money in the bank, the EFCC will tell the whole world how much you have , and then freeze it indefinitely , while trying to determine or rope you in on one crime or another.

If you keep your money safely in your house, then the same EFCC, not armed robbers, would break into your house or business in the middle of the night to grab it, and then try to frame you into one crime or another.

I have never seen Nigeria this lawless and the government so confused and schizophrenic in my entire life.

Foreign investors are fleeing, .and who can blame them ?
Soon, even local investors who have the means will move their capital out of this lunatic bin and the schizophrenic government that runs it.

Stuuupid slowpoke.
The army already has a budget.
The overburdened and under budgeted police would have needed those vehicles more, talkless of the 1million almajiri reportedly roaming the dirty streets of Kano state.

Stuuupid leaders.

Based on what warrant, what probable cause did the EFCC break into a private shops?

Where , in the Nigerian criminal code, is it illegal to store Nigerian legal tender ?

What kind of zoo is this where you break into a individual's private property even before you establish what crime has been committed.

It is this kind of war on capital, on legal tender, that is spooking both local and foreign investors to horde their capital and flee this lawless country.

PastorAIO:
I know say inside everything wey we don talk for this thread if Ishi must enter it will be when the conversation turns to sex. How you dey Ishilove? It's been a while.


I don't know if it's a scientific fact but it's certain a meme that is out there. I think what might be scientific is that the male hormone production peaks in the late teens while the female hormone production peaks around 30.

Lol.
Ishilove sef.

UyiIredia:
Seun, johnydon22, adepeter26, Niflheim, hahn, thehomer, JackBizzle, lepasharon, cloudgodess, frecocoa, CatFishBilly, Kay17, joseph1013, frank317, HardMirror, wiegraf, EvilBrain, teempakguy, Lennycool, akintom, SirWere, obinna58, jonbellion, onetrack etc You are welcome.

plaetton, You are NOT WELCOME! The guy will start mumbling crap about consciousness being interacting information of huge complexity or some other mumbo-jumbo.

Lol.

I do consider it flattery that I am DISS-invited to this your " here we go again " ramblings and Babbles on the topic of Consciousness.

Thanks for asking politely not to come and flog you with the usual doses of finely measured Common Sense.

ifenes:
Dude are you still a christian? You are too clever for that

Lol.
He has potential.
Pity he is wasting too much mental energy on the wrong side, the dark side , the side of lethal Mythologies.

DeepSight:
Send me legal work as a matter of urgent national importance

Sure thing, Depardo.
When EFCC or DSS come breaking down my doors, I will give you a holla.

Lifestone:
This case was lost purely because of poor investigation and EFCC should be held accountable. Media trial is very different from judicial trial, seems FG relishes in media trial while failing in her responsibility to do a detailed investigation that will allow them get a successful trial.
How do you jail somebody just because he got a "gift" and couldn't link the gift to a crime? It's not for the judge to help EFCC, they must prove their case beyond reasonable doubt. There are more cases to be lost ahead if this lazy investigation approach continues

Thank you.
The government and their goons at EFCC thinks that we are still practicing medieval system of Justice.

Media trails are most certainly doomed to fail in a proper court of justice.

AgamaHub:
2 bottles of the finest champagne for you.

I claim it ijn.

Truth234:
IMF is a confused international organisation with little to no real knowledge of the local economy. Imagine, the same IMF that said the Naira would plunge to 1000 against the US dollar without free floating it is now saying Naira is overvalued by 10-20%. Add that difference to the current exchange rate, you will get about 420/$. So what happened to the 1000/$ projection?

In Seun Kuti's voice, IMF, International ModaFcker.

Actually , you are the one who seems most confused.
From you post, your knowledge of economics and currency dynamics appear wanting.

The IMF were being diplomatic and circumspect by saying that the Naira is 20% overvalued. The N1000/$ is still a more than likely possibility in the very near future , despite all these reactionary and wasteful shenanigans by the CBN.

The thrust of the IMF message is that the government should do away with ad-hocism when it comes to economic management. They should stop looking at daily fluctuations in Naira exchange rates, and have a long term focus of strengthening the structural imbalances of our economy.
An orderly depreciation of Naira to it's true economic equilibrium rate , a soft landing, would be much much better than a violent disorderly depreciation that is inevitable, and which would effectively disorganize every sector of the economy in a very short time.

Cjrane2:


They should continue wasting millions of dollars we could have used to invest in new projects to stop the inevitable.

What Emefiele is doing is like a man with a big hole in his canoe and instead of fixing the hole, he is scooping the water out of the canoe. At some point he will get tired and the inevitable will happen. Unless he tries to fix the problem and fix the hole.

Unless we address the fiscal issues in our monetary system. These artificial temporary measures will end up delaying the inevitable.

Don't mind those buffoons.
Ad-hocism is what has gotten us to where we presently are.
No consistent long term policy, but knee-jerk, ad-hoc , reactionary policies that addresses no structural imbalances in the economy.

On what grounds should the central Bank be using the so-called scare foreign reserves to be supporting the currency of a generator economy ?
What exactly is the long term goal ?
Shouldn't the long term goal be less reliance on imports and more reliance on increasing exports and locally made goods ?

These morons are using exchange rate as a political tool rather than an economic policy tool.

bouncino:
Good write up but you were mixing the terminologies.
Chukwu or Chineke is not a deity but the Supreme Being - the creator of the universe or God the Creator.
In Igbo traditional religion, order of spiritual importance is ranked thus
1. Chukwu
2. Deities
3. Ancestors and
4. Chi - personal god or your moral compass (conscience)

Once again, good topic.

Correction Sir.
The word deity means any supernatural being that is worshiped or venerated.
But , your hierarchy of Igbo gods or deities are correct.
Chukwu is at the top of the pantheon of deities, just like EL was at the top of the Canaanite pantheon, where he sat in judgement of the lesser deities, including and especially Yahweh.

Gazettemovement:
Op, sorry to say ,these are man made gods.
They have eyes dt could not see
Mouth....cannot talk
Ears.....couldn't hear
Cannot walk... You keep dm in a spot....dy are thre 4eva
I will not worship man made gods

And which god is not man made ?

What you mean is that these are African man made gods, and that YOU prefer to worship middle East or European man made gods.
Simple.

marshborn:
Chukwu

Chukwu is the supreme being of the Igbo religion. In the Igbo pantheon, Chukwu is the source of all other Igbo deities, and is responsible for assigning them their different tasks. The Igbo people believe that all things come from Chukwu, who brings the rains necessary for plants to grow and controls everything on earth and the spiritual world. They believe Chukwu to be an infinitely powerful, undefinable, supreme deity encompassing everything in space and space itself.

Linguistic studies suggest that the name "Chukwu" or "Chukouuee" is a portmanteau of the Igbo words "Chi" ("spiritual being" ) and "Ukwu" ("great in size" ).

According to the Igbo people from the south-eastern region of Nigeria, Chineke is the creator of the world and everything good in it along with rain, trees, and other plants. Chukwu is a supreme God represented by the sun. The ancient God is not humanized in Igbo tradition belief. Because the Igbo deities Amadioha and Ikenga are masculine, Chukwu is assumed to be male.

Many Igbo Christians refer to the Christian God as Chukwu as well.The Igbo believe it is impossible for humans to conceive of the unlimited power of Chukwu. Many Igbo dialects refer to God by names such as "Chukwu", "Chiokike", or "Obasi."

There are five aspects of Chukwu:

Chukwu - the first force and existence of all beings.
Anyanwu - symbolic meaning of the sun. The sun reveals everything so Chukwu is the source of knowledge and the author of all knowledge.
Agbala - the fertility of Earth, its people, and its spiritual world full of sub-deities.
Chi - a sub-deity functioning as a personal, spiritual guide.
Okike - creator of laws that govern the visible and invisible.

Good work.

Does anyone else notice that the man is only concerned with and repeatedly mentioning the 2 dead herdsman and cows, and no mention or concern about the 13 villagers reportedly killed during the attack ?

Rossikk:
While the rest of the Christian world, including Nigerians, are busy worshiping a white jesus invented by Europeans to deceive people and place themselves above other peoples, the Popes know the real deal, and know exactly whom to worship.


...............................https://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Two_popes.jpg

Lol.
Beat you to this anomaly quite a while ago.

https://www.nairaland.com/2650317/hey-whats-going-here

chiefolododo:
Mr pope is not a Christian, he is a false prophet

I suppose you have an idea what Christianity means?
A semi-primitive African ?
Big laugh.

Radiohead6:
Black, White ,Red ,Brown
I don't think it matters the color Christ Came In , just get saved that's all that matters , your bleeping soul!!

You don't think it matters?

Then do you think that anyone in the world would actually venerate a black skinned god or Saviour?
Even you would not.

The veneration of white-skinned gods and saviours is a deliberate brainfxxx .

Naturalized:
When you say facts/irrefutable facts doesn't that basically mean what you know to be true at that point in time? In this case that human cannot shape-shift? What if..What if in the slightest shapeshifting were possible but cannot the accounted yet for by the laws of physics? You agree with me that the purpose of science is to question known beliefs, create a new conclusions (which may in turn be a law) until someone else comes along to refute the claim. For years many scientist believed the earth to be flat? Do we call them stupid?

I have made my stance about religion clear, its all dogmatic, or as they say 'faith', but it doesn't mean that what science knows to be true right now may actually not be found (by science) to be wrong.

Kindly name any of the world's scientists that believed that earth the was flat. The earth was believed to be flat in prescience eras.

If something cannot be proven by known scientific methods, then based on WHAT does a person like you believe that thing ?

If the scientific method has , over the past centuries , clearly proven itself as the pre-eminent arbiter of reality and existence, then , again I Ask, what is the point or benefits of tethering one's mind or worldviews on non-scientifically provable superstitions ?

Thirdly, I might ask, why do beliefs in non-scientific phenomena flourish in poor, scientifically backward societies?
How come we don't hear of old women turning into birds or cats in Europe, America, Canada, Switzerland,Singapore, etc, but only in third world, semi-primitive basket case Nations infested with middle East shi.t religions ?

I have quoted this many many times, and I repeat it again.
It is better, and human history will testify, to begin with doubts, questions and uncertainty, and then gradually arrive at facts , certainty and truth than it is to begin with certainty and truth, and then later end up with doubts.
When the later happens, cognitive dissonance becomes one's best friend.

This showcases the difference between science and belief/faith.

akintom:
I'm dominantly a choleric (far from emotional pole). But nothing moves me to bitter cry (sometime having tears above normal temperature, streaming down my eyes), like seeing the weaker folks in the society, dehumanized, terrified and slaughtered with the most ferocious savagery. All because one religious idiocy commanded it.

It hurts me more, when i see folks, who claim to be loving and caring (based on their delusion), leading or inspiring these savagery.

Are there any doubts at all that these totally useless middle East sh.it religions are very toxic, and are the equivalent of depleted uranium on the mind, the African mind ?

This one happened in my village just 2 weeks ago.
The young man has not even been buried yet.

He climbed an electric pole to reconnect light and was electrocuted.
According to witnesses, they took him to a local mortuary. About an hour later, the mortuary called to say that his hands were twitching and that he may still be alive ,and possibly revived if taken to a good hospital as soon as possible.

Guess what happened next ?

The family, rather than rush him to a good hospital, they called their pastor, who instructed them to bring the man to the Church for an all night prayers and vigil. This they did.

Again, according to witnesses, the body was still twitching for most of the night until about 2am when it finally stopped.

The stupidity of religion can never overstated.

RosaConsidine:
While this is certainly the truth, we can't fault religion for it. Religion did not refuse to fix bad roads - people did. Religion did not refuse to fix crumbling schools - human beings did. Religion did not even ask for these shiny buildings, neither did it erect them - again, it's the product of human minds and hands.

I think why religion takes so much precedence over rational thought and hard work in this country is because, let's face it - it's much easier and we are an incredibly lazy AND hypocritical bunch. It's easier to go to church to pray that God makes our leaders do the right thing than to hit the streets and actually demand for better leadership. It's easier to ask God tp help you get good grades than to study hard and learn. It's easier to believe that God did tell that pastor to tell us to bring money for a private jet than to confront the pastor and his ostentatious lifestyle. It's easier to believe that some people in our villages our manipulating our destinies and are the reason for our failure than to admit that we've done a lot of things wrong that are causing things to go wrong in our lives. So for the average Nigerian, subconsciously, religion is the easiest option as against rational thought, planning and real hard work.

I'll finish with a little case study I've observed: some pastors in church programs I've attended would come on the pulpit and say God said that s certain number of people should bring a certain amount of money and in one week, God will return that amount to them tenfold. Of course, like MMM, people would troop out. Who doesn't want more money for doing basically no work at all. Come meet our god, the money doubler! I found it curious that of all these situations, not one of these people have come back to testify that God indeed doubled their money or returned it tenfold. Does it say God does not have the power to do that? No, but if I were God I wouldn't double their money either because I can tell that almost all of them are giving because they want huge returns without doing any actual work. Till Nigerian stop being greedy and treating religion like a ponzi scheme, these scenarios would continue to happen.

Excellent piece.

fratermathy:
One irony I can't seem to wrap my mind around is that of the link between religion, moral depravity and social deviance. At the risk of generalising, It is evident that the most religious societies in the world have the higher percentage of morally bankrupt persons. Taking Nigeria for instance, we have a very religious population of more than 140 million persons. Almost every Nigerian subscribes to one religious belief or another and yet the country still remains in the shadows of darkness, corruption, obscenity, lewdity, callousness, and a gamut of social vices and indecent behaviours. On Sundays, "slay queens" go to Church and dance even more than the pastor. That same evening, the "slay queen" puts on scanty clothing and probably heads for a secret rendezvous with the same pastor. It begs the question of what moral influence religion really has over Nigerians. Is it that religion brings out the worst in people? Is it an issue of hypocrisy? Or are we just naturally so?

Let us leave Nigeria and proceed to highly religious nations like India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. These nations, in no particular order, rank highest in the demand for internet pornography. As we all know, terrorism has become the norm to most of these nations. Other forms of moral depravity and social deviance abound. Violence, rape, hypocrisy, etc, are rife.

Progressive nations such as the USA, UK, Germany, Russia, etc, have a much less religious population yet meaningful development takes place, moral depravity is controlled and other social vices are minimal. We can easily say that these nations have better systems and that depravity is not a product of religion whatsoever but is that really true?

When the USA and Russia were sending men to the moon, Nigerians were still busy building churches, mosques and burning shrines. When USA and Russia were advancing technology and science, Nigerians were busy catching witches and wizards and casting out demons and spirits. When advanced nations are thinking of Mars, Nigerians are still stuck on myths and legends, and the likes. When other nations are advancing their democracies and demanding for better leadership, Nigerians prefer to complain and "pray about it".

Religion is good, no doubt. It has its values, for sure! However, when a society becomes too religious, the paradox of moral depravity and social deviance begin to kick in. Until we stop being over-religious, we may never get to the Nigerian utopia.

- Iroro Orhero <literarymathy[at]gmail.com>

I recently travelled by road through the Southwest, South South and Southeast , something I hadn't done in a long while.

Aside from bad roads, four very consistent images or memes that bogged me throughout my travels were dirtiness, poverty , dilapidated schools and big Churches, as if the four were interlocked in a four-way symbiotic relationship.

In a country where every poor village or Hamlet proudly showcase their big, shiny, well-maintained Churches side by side with dilapidated primary and secondary schools, there surely cannot be a good and bright future for such a country.

DeepSight:
Bingo Bro!

Long time Depardo.
How your side?